Boston Bombing Followup Thread

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Apr 2013 01:43

IMO policywise, the Tsaernev brothers are the beneficiaries of the largesse of Madeleine Albright under whose stewardship in the late 90s, Bosnian and Albanian immigrants were let into the US on asylum grounds. This group IMO is the one that needs to be watched closely as they will be the second generation of this scourge, able to slip under the radar with US passports.

Kerry’s line of thinking is line with Albright and Brezenski's doctrine, he needs to re-evaluate his line thinking and look past their hatred of Russia……. The Tsaernev brothers are their progeny.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 23 Apr 2013 01:46

The Tsaernev brothers are their progeny.

So are all the terrorists from TSP land.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 23 Apr 2013 01:46

^^ On that note, which hole has Zbigniew Brzezinski crawled into? He is usually the Islamist apologists' first line of defence as a news channel egg-spurt.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 23 Apr 2013 01:58

You must recall CIA was very actively involved in training Chechen rebels
as a way to get back at Russia.
In the late 1990s through 2005 2006 Albania Kosovo were the countries
This because Russia supported Yugoslavs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Apr 2013 01:59

Paul wrote:IMO policywise, the Tsaernev brothers are the beneficiaries of the largesse of Madeleine Albright under whose stewardship in the late 90s, Bosnian and Albanian immigrants were let into the US on asylum grounds. This group IMO is the one that needs to be watched closely as they will be the second generation of this scourge, able to slip under the radar with US passports.

Kerry’s line of thinking is line with Albright and Brezenski's doctrine, he needs to re-evaluate his line thinking and look past their hatred of Russia……. The Tsaernev brothers are their progeny.

Paul the Experts on TV keep saying the Chechen problem is due to Stalin's forced migration/resettlemet of the Chechens during WWII. What they don't talk is the original fault of Hitler in rousing religious ethnics (Muslim Russians) against godless Communist Russians.

Zbig did the same and is no reaping the whirlwind in a biblical sense.

Its a major mess any way you look with hyper Republicans want to deny Constitutional rights. Makes one glad that McCain didn't get elected!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Apr 2013 02:05

Sabres of Paradise

It predates Hitler's support of Caucasians. There was a treaty between Iran and Russia where the Caucasus moved into the Russian sphere of influence.
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It's the Brits again, in the 19th century, The chechens and their leader Imam Shamyl were viewed as an obstacle by the Brits to stop the Russian advsnce the warm waters of the Indian ocean in the great game.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 02:13

Pranav wrote:The brothers Tsarnaev lived rather well given that they were ostensibly unemployed. It seems that Tamerlan used to drive a Mercedes - http://www.forbes.com/sites/lancemadden ... x-for-u-s/

Has this image been posted already - Dzokhar climbing out of the boat by himself, apparently without any throat injury -

http://rt.com/op-edge/boston-bombers-ts ... thers-172/

Not according to this link. Besides driving a Merc or Benz (new or used, no/poor/bad credit no problems) is no biggie in US.
Suspects_Apartment

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 23 Apr 2013 02:15

The elder Tsarnaev is being linked to another unsolved crime in 2011, where the victims were his close associates in training. And all this and earlier questioning did not raise a flag ? Unbelievable !
http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bomb-suspe ... ories.html

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 02:34

Not sure if this was posted but its a clip from the police chase/shootout.
Why does every footage/image has to be shitty in quality? (could it be fake? or blurred for a reason?)

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 02:47

shiv wrote:
Rajiv Lather wrote:
They are recruited not to help agencies like FBI to infiltrate the jihadi groups, but to help agencies like CIA to create and train terrorists to destabilize countries and regimes.
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True. I know at least 2 Indians (friends/acquaintances) who have been approached by CIA ( more than a decade ago) when they were students. CIA types would hang around University campuses for the purpose. One of them declined. Not sure about the other but the fact that he revealed the story seems like he probably did decline. IIRC the CIA were open and did not do anything hush hush. they said they were from CIA.

CIA recruits openly for the agency. Nothing new. Not everyone is recruited for infiltration. Many or most of them end up translating crap and making sense of the slangs and lingo (depends which language is in demand). Ofcourse you have the outstanding achievers who make it to the international level activities. I was approached way back in time via mail and openly on the campus during a drive in the student center. All others are recruited through 'internal' process.

C_EYE_A_Campus_Recruiting

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 03:18

Not a fan of the guy but he has more on the initial 'Al Harabi' guy from Saudi.

Saudi_Connection?

The Saudi’s student visa specifically allows him to go to school in Findley, Ohio. He has been in this country six months. He has an apartment in Boston, Massachusetts.

If this is a case of mistaken identity, then who is the person named in the file, with the same name, with the 3B charge? And If DHS was working with the person as a source to out the bombers, then why was there a 3B Charge?

Exclusive: Why wasn’t the Congressional Committee on Homeland Security notified? Why are they being cut out of all information? This is protocol.

We are working on the family connections, and there is more to come.

Sources tell us this will most likely now be kicked from the DHS to the DOJ and labeled an ongoing investigation that can no longer be discussed. This will be the reason Napalitano won’t answer the Homeland Security Committee’s request for a briefing. Like Benghazi they have heavy into a disinformation campaign floating a variety of scenarios to confuse the media — but that apparently doesn’t take much — to prevent the story from being pursued… They are also working very hard to discredit those on the scent.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Apr 2013 03:19

USA Today article on Reddit Mea Culpa

Reddit owns up

I wish they also examine why the frenzy occured and how much of it is due to latent zenophobia? And what futre steps they plan to take to preclude a recurrence?

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 03:31

Despite all the thoughts, I still wonder why the 'contractors' were already invited to the marathon?
Sure there are several conspiracy theories out there along with speculations including many on BRF.

One of the many conspiracy theories

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 03:33

ramana wrote:USA Today article on Reddit Mea Culpa

Reddit owns up

I wish they also examine why the frenzy occured and how much of it is due to latent zenophobia? And what futre steps they plan to take to preclude a recurrence?

I say file a law suit. Let this be a hard and costly "lessons learned". Screw the apology. I'm sure either way they'll make their money from the ad revenue due to the falsified tweets.

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 Apr 2013 03:33

Transcripts of the hospital bed side hearing

NYTimes

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 Apr 2013 03:36

No more question about Miranda Rights. They have been read to him. One of Asst US DA is an Indian Aloke Chakravarty

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 03:37

Charges filed against the surviving suspect.

Charges_Filed

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 23 Apr 2013 03:58

Operatives are different from Analysts

Operatives would mostly come from Foreign services diplomatic corps, James Bond types from the forces
Now a days ex forces turned black water types will be the boots on ground chasing the blondes like 007
(Recall the Columbia visit of Ombaba)

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 04:02

Nice article from CNET on social media frenzy and false identification.

False_Identity

Rule #1: If you have a lot of followers and you want to help, direct people to reliable sources of information, like a police department feed, a news feed, or someone who's on the ground, as in the case of Danny Sullivan last night with Seth Mnookin and other local resources.

Rule #2: Do not, under any circumstances, broadcast the names or photos of alleged suspects before verification. Panicked police officers in the midst of a firefight, chase, manhunt, and explosions who are desperately shouting things over scanners do not count as verification.

Rule #3: If you want to be involved, broadcast helpful information, not Any Information At All. If you're the Binders Full of Women Facebook page, tell your 319,000 followers how to donate blood in the aftermath of a bombing. Tell them to stay inside while the bombing suspect manhunt continues. Broadcast the number of the FBI tip line in case they see any suspicious information. You can be useful without trying to be a news wire.

Rule #4: Sometimes you are powerless and you do not have information. That's OK. It's not your job. The Internet doesn't make us a great, seething Collective Omniscient just because there are more eyeballs on what's happening. Information, unlike sending a tweet full of wrong information, still takes time. Just put down the computer and go to bed.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 04:03

pentaiah wrote:Operatives are different from Analysts

Operatives would mostly come from Foreign services diplomatic corps, James Bond types from the forces
Now a days ex forces turned black water types will be the boots on ground chasing the blondes like 007
(Recall the Columbia visit of Ombaba)

True, but why at a marathon? I can imagine heavy presence of cops and/or national guards due to pre-warning or if the POTUS was visiting the event. But mercs at an annual event like this one?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 23 Apr 2013 04:08

prashanth wrote:
vina wrote: But all the same, think of this. MMS and Indian Govt sent condolence messages for Boston bombings, but NONE for the Bangalore Bombings that happened the NEXT day , but rather we got that idiotic tweet about political benefits to BJP from a Congress loud mouth.
Has the Indian media made any comment regarding this? Shame on them if they haven't.

Hmm, if you follow narendra modi on twitter, even he only sent condolence message for the boston bombings, but not a word for the bangalore bombings... surprised me for sure

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 23 Apr 2013 04:37

Sorry if posted already..Thwarted terror plot targeted train from Canada to U.S.z

Canadian authorities have arrested two men accused of planning to carry out an al Qaeda-supported attack against a passenger train traveling between Canada and the United States,

Despite the allegation of links to al Qaeda in Iran, there was no evidence to suggest the planned attacks were state-sponsored, Malizia said.

In a document seized during the raid in Pakistan that left Osama bin Laden dead was evidence of an al Qaeda discussion to target rail lines in the United States, a law enforcement official told CNN in late 2011.
According to the document, al Qaeda members discussed as early as 2010 a plan to derail trains in the United States by placing obstructions on tracks over bridges and in valleys.
The plan, according to the document, was to be executed to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, though no specific rail system was identified, the official said.
News of the arrests Monday came the same day Canada's parliament debated an anti-terrorism bill.
Traditionally, al Qaeda's membership is seen as Sunni-dominated and not Shiite.
As a result, al Qaeda and Iran have not been viewed as allies.
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Saad bin Laden also helped one of his father's wives and several of his father's children to move from Pakistan to Iran, officials said.

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 Apr 2013 04:46

The sisters of bombers live in West Newyork. The mayor of the town visited them and offered all help and now police are posted at their house for their safety.

CNN

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 05:23

Not sure if this was posted but here it is.
Video clip from the helicopter with infraed cam.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Apr 2013 05:43

ramana wrote:He doesn't know his numbers from his alphabets!

Shiv is right. Islamist Jihadis are nurtured by the mothers!

Mother:Young Son obeyed older son

Read to get the mind of a Jihadi mother. She led them along the thorny path.

And from Kashmir to Kanyajumari the following is what we read in the news in India as reporters take the side of the terror suspect's family

Tsarnaeva refused to believe her sons could have committed acts of terror. She accused the U.S. government of framing the brothers because they were afraid of Tamerlan.

"They wanted to eliminate Tamerlan and Dzhokhar was just nearby because he was driving him to the university," she said. She also denied that they owned or possessed any guns.

The mother also seemed to endorse conspiracy theories that the U.S. government was behind the September 11, 2001 attacks, suggesting the same people killed her sons.

"He was a good candidate to get rid of," she said.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 23 Apr 2013 06:32

ramana wrote:Mother:Young Son obeyed older son

Read to get the mind of a Jihadi mother. She led them along the thorny path.

Photo caption:

A tearful Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of the Boston bomb suspects, told ABC News that her sons are innocent.

But woman in the photo is not tearful - she has a smirkle on her face. Is it the mother and if so is it a file fotu?

She said her efforts to convince Tamerlan to give up boxing on religious grounds had strained her relationship with her husband, himself a former boxer, who wanted him to continue.

Dad seems to be a multidimensional man - a diplomat, a car mechanic, and a boxer to boot.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Apr 2013 06:35

matrimc wrote:
ramana wrote:Mother:Young Son obeyed older son

Read to get the mind of a Jihadi mother. She led them along the thorny path.
Photo caption:
A tearful Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of the Boston bomb suspects, told ABC News that her sons are innocent.
But woman in the photo is not tearful - she has a smirkle on her face. Is it the mother and if so is it a file fotu?

Her children have done Allah proud. They will reach paradise

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 23 Apr 2013 06:39

The grief from losing their sons, she said, has brought them even closer together.

Looks like they have given up on joker too.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 23 Apr 2013 07:01

This is the video of their aunt, who lives in Canada, and her initial reaction posted by Bloomberg on Apr19.
she is the one who recognized the naked guy cought by police as elder bro.
and here is a video of their father saying they never laid their eye on guns and claims that one of the sons got scholarship because he was an A student.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Apr 2013 07:37

Rachel Maddow on MSNBC quoting Pete Williams says that Djokhar admitted :
- No links to any international terrorist groups
- They were motivated by 'religious' fervor
- They got the pzr cooker designs from Internet
- No other bombs around
After that the judge was called in and the charges read.

Means there are self radicalized jihadis in the world.
And the world is more unsafe as they showed what two committed guys can do.

World is truly flat now.
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Now CNN is reporting the same.

And the gunpowder was obtained from large firecrackers.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 23 Apr 2013 07:42

If they have no ties to terrorist groups, why did Russia warn the US about the older brother?

Do US analysts think Russia is in the habit of asking the US to investiate random Chechens?

This seems to be yet another case of one man's terrorist group is another Uncle's freedom fighter (until the bite Uncle in the Musharraf).

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 08:08

ramana wrote:Rachel Maddow on MSNBC

No comments

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 23 Apr 2013 08:09

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Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 08:27

ATM Images.

timeline_map

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 08:35

For what its worth, regardless of who/why/what/when/where/which/how affiliated with this incident, the key person/hero who helped one of the victims who lost both his legs but later helped identfy the victims from the video/images to the suits.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Apr 2013 08:42

so, the joker says no intl terror group involved, it was all his brother.. then ask his brother? well yeah!

great FBI!

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 08:43

Wasn't sure on embedding this one so posting the link. One of the translator indicates that the elder one had a clear
message in his video.
VIDEO

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 23 Apr 2013 08:50

I think his wife knows more than she is admitting to for obvious reasons, unless he had completely abandoned her and the child. If she were a Chechen we would be hearing more from her in the media. Something is too fishy about all of this. She is converted completely to his religion and seems as devout as him from her appearance, yet she is the last person to be interrogated.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 Apr 2013 08:51

Moscow has a different outlook on the motives of the suspects.
Moscow_Outlook

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Apr 2013 08:53

bade, The odd thing is the car jacking etc is all the elder brother's work. The charge sheet is silent on all this with the younger brother.
And the older bro being run over by the younger s far only the Waterton police is saying that. The medics are quiet about that and the charge sheet.