Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Apr 2013 14:26

ravi_g ji,

I think BJP leadership will be able to delay the nomination till may be August. After that the closeness of the election, in case it is in April/May 2014, would really force the BJP leadership to take a call.

BJP Cadre would need to keep on building pressure, and in speeches of Advani & Co. start even a bit of heckling after August.

Some leaders may think they can survive the Modi storm and they still have a chance, but it needs to be made absolutely clear to them that beyond a certain point, they would start losing their respect.

Can one imagine what a huge fall in respect it would mean for Advani if some BJP cadre start heckling him to make way for Modi. I hope it doesn't come to that, and that Advani can make a dignified exit.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Apr 2013 15:48

Neela wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Rahul Gandhi has not been properly tested | Adam Roberts
Sushupti
Would request you to avoid the The Economist. They often have put wrong Indian maps . They are slimy guys who are trying to cash in on MOdi's popularity. Do not give them that and do not link.

Adam Roberts , the Delhi-based South Asia Bureau chief of the magazine, sheds the magazine’s tradition of editorial anonymity to talk about the evolving economic and political scenario in India.
Adam Roberts is the real Superman??!!!!
These guys do not understand India , its culture and its tradition. MOst have no clue about the myriad forces at play in Indian politics . They do not understand he language. And yet these guys have opinions.

Economist is the mouthpiece of Atlanticist/Anglo-saxon establishment. It's always good to know what's their thinking about Indian politics. Nehru dynasty is nothing but their extension in India.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Apr 2013 16:08

Published on Apr 23, 2013
By Shashi Shekhar
Modi in land of Narayana Guru: Niti Central

Good article on political untouchability!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Apr 2013 17:08

Published on Apr 23, 2013
JD-U, BJP bonhomie over? Party workers asked to prepare for split: IANS

Tension between Bihar's ruling parties is escalating by the day with both the Janata Dal-United (JD-U) and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) preparing their workers for a split.

In the last few days, senior JD-U leader and Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar as well as BJP's national general secretary Rajiv Pratap Rudy and its state president Mangal Pandey have given clear indications of their parties going it alone in the next general elections, and have called on their party workers to gear up for it. Bihar has 40 Lok Sabha seats.

"Party workers should remain united and be prepared to face any eventuality in view of fast changing political situation in the country," Nitish Kumar said Monday at a meeting of a JD-U cell of extremely backward castes and Mahadalits at Rajgir in Nalanda district. Both segments are considered the backbone of his support base in the state.

Before that, Nitish Kumar said Sunday: "The political situation may change any time. The time has come now for displaying rock like solidarity as in the past."

Rudy also gave ample hints of the road ahead for his partymen. He did not name long time ally JD-U but said in what is being seen as a message to his party workers: "People will not pardon the ally which would desert it (alliance)."

His colleague Pandey has said: "Under the present political scenario, we have to be ready to face any situation."

A senior JD-U leader, considered close to Nitish Kumar, said party leaders were reading the writing on the wall following differences over Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi of the BJP being pitched as a possible prime ministerial candidate of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA).

"None other than Nitish Kumar has directed some party senior leaders, including ministers, to be ready to contest Lok Sabha polls alone in view of the firm stance to not compromise on Modi," he said.

Another JD-U leader, seeking not to be named, said the party has instructed some leaders to get ready to contest from the constituencies currently held by the BJP. These include Bhagalpur, won by BJP's Syed Shahnawaz Hussain in 2009; Patna Saheb, represented by Bollywood actor Shatrughan Sinha; and Darbhanga, represented by cricketer Kirti Azad.

According to JD-U leaders, party ministers like Brishen Patel, P.K. Shahi, Vijay Choudhary, Renu Kumari Kushwaha, Parween Amanullah, Sahid Ali Khan and Shayam Razak have been directed to identify constituencies and start work to contest polls in case the BJP goes ahead with Modi as its prime ministerial candidate in 2014 polls.

In the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, the JD-U and the BJP contested the polls together, winning 32 of the 40 seats from Bihar. While the JD-U won 20, the BJP bagged 12.

The BJP now seems equally prepared for the parting of way with the JD-U. "Our leaders and workers are working in the field in all 40 seats," said a BJP leader. "The party has no problem in facing elections alone."

The equation between the two parties has been on a downslide since Nitish Kumar attacked Modi without naming him in a rally in New Delhi. He questioned the tainted image of Modi in view of his alleged role in the 2002 riots.

Published on Apr 23, 2013
JD(U)-BJP rift widens; Sharad Yadav against demand for PM resignation: Daily Bhaskar

New Delhi: The rift between Janata Dal (United), or JD(U), and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) seems to have widened with the former refusing to endorse the latter's demand for resignation of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for his alleged involvement in the coal block allocation scam.

Rejecting the saffron party's demand, Senior JD(U) leader and Lok Sabha MP Sharad Yadav on Tuesday said, "We are concerned about the JPC report, not PM's resignation."

"Parliament should not be stalled, it should be allowed to function," Yadav told his BJP collegues who are intensifying its attack on the government over the coalgate and not allowing the House to function.

The opposition party had stalled Parliament yesterday over the issue and demanded that the Law Minister Ashwani Kumar to make a statement on his alleged role in vetting the CBI affidavit for the Supreme Court on the coal scam investigation.

The BJP Parliamentary Party, which met here under the chairmanship of L K Advani, passed a resolution in this regard and charged the government with suppressing the truth from coming out in the coal scam.

Both the NDA allies are at loggerheads over projection of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as the alliance's prime ministerial candidate.

The JD(U) has also been vocal in its opposition to Modi coming to Bihar for upcoming election campaign.

Modi evokes strong reactions, particularly from the minorities, for his alleged involvement in the Gujarat riots in which almost 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed. Though it has been 10 years since the riots, tensions over the issue continue in the state.

Nitish Kumar had earlier objected to his photographs with Narendra Modi in newspaper advertisements during the BJP national executive meeting in Patna in June 2010.

He has also said it would not take a minute for his party to break ties with the BJP if the latter projected Modi as its prime ministerial candidate.

Nitish Kumar seems to be in Congress's pocket.

JD(U) not willing to coordinate with BJP on Coalgate, etc. in Parliament again indicates that the party has decided to break with NDA.

Now BJP should go ahead and send Nitish to the wilderness. JD(U) should be split, and a BJP-Janata Dal (Rebels) should form a government in Bihar. It is time to break Nitish's hold over EBCs and Mahadalits.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 23 Apr 2013 18:23

RajeshA wrote: Modi has also been vocal about the deaths of BJP Karyakartas in Kerala. Why this uptick in violence against BJP there unless some people were feeling especially vulnerable to the growing clout of BJP. All this does show Modi's special intereest in Kerala.

I am not sure about the uptick; RSS, BJP and other Hindu groups have been targeted for quite some time. Violence has been the norm. People routinely get hacked.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 23 Apr 2013 19:24

Its been stated before in the form of undercurrents before, what Modi is attempting could lead to a second phase of national integration, its the reason why he's going it alone to some of these UPA and allied ruled states to create some rapport with the ground there. Its not about 2014 or 2019 or even about the BJP, rather its a statesmanship project, which is why it is not so apparent at first sight.

This is not to say that others have not attempted it before. However, knowing Modi's prakruti, he might just last the full distance, which is a boon for India. It would be good if he could tour the Andaman & Nicobar islands and the NE states with a similar 'to-do' list.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 19:47

RajeshA wrote: I think BJP leadership will be able to delay the nomination till may be August. After that the closeness of the election, in case it is in April/May 2014, would really force the BJP leadership to take a call.

BJP Cadre would need to keep on building pressure, and in speeches of Advani & Co. start even a bit of heckling after August.

Some leaders may think they can survive the Modi storm and they still have a chance, but it needs to be made absolutely clear to them that beyond a certain point, they would start losing their respect.

Can one imagine what a huge fall in respect it would mean for Advani if some BJP cadre start heckling him to make way for Modi. I hope it doesn't come to that, and that Advani can make a dignified exit.

If Modi waits too long it will be too late. He has only one bargaining chip - which is to walk out with most of the cadres. It takes several months to get a new party registered. So in fact it is already quite late. Heckling by cadres etc will not change Advani gang's brute majority in parliamentary board. Advani & Co have the skin of a rhino and you can expect them to be absolutely shameless. Also, it may not be possible to carry out an internal coup against Advani gang ... party constitution has to be followed otherwise EC may not cooperate.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Apr 2013 20:13

Pranav ji,

Modi is not going to be leaving BJP! He will win the candidacy remaining within BJP!

Modi would not want to destroy the party, so he is hardly going to create a new party. The Karyakartas however would not let Modi go down to a bunch of gasbags. They would probably tear anybody who is seen as putting difficulties in the path of Modi!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 20:32

RajeshA wrote:They would probably tear anybody who is seen as putting difficulties in the path of Modi!

Wishful thinking ... practically speaking, what are you going to do if Advani & Co decide to brazen it out with support of Maino and Election Commission.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Apr 2013 20:34

What are the chances of Advani as Pappu's MMS?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 23 Apr 2013 20:47

Pranav wrote:
RajeshA wrote:They would probably tear anybody who is seen as putting difficulties in the path of Modi!
Wishful thinking ... practically speaking, what are you going to do if Advani & Co decide to brazen it out with support of Maino and Election Commission.

And why should Advani damage his reputation by doing that? Not even MMS's and Mafia Queen's shadows like them..you expect Advani to cut loose and join them? Wishful thinking.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Apr 2013 21:03

Pranav wrote:
RajeshA wrote:They would probably tear anybody who is seen as putting difficulties in the path of Modi!
Wishful thinking ... practically speaking, what are you going to do if Advani & Co decide to brazen it out with support of Maino and Election Commission.

Would RSS allow it?

Politicians don't really work in void and isolation. A politician is a politician only if he has a few people supporting him! Would Advani do anything where he is the lone voice standing?

Right now, nobody and I mean NOBODY can really stop Modi, as long as the Karyakartas of BJP have embraced him in their hearts!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Apr 2013 21:55

Check this one.
#TweetLikeKatjuOnGujaratDevelopment
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TweetLi ... t&src=hash

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 Apr 2013 22:10

Pranav wrote: If Modi waits too long it will be too late. He has only one bargaining chip - which is to walk out with most of the cadres. It takes several months to get a new party registered. So in fact it is already quite late. Heckling by cadres etc will not change Advani gang's brute majority in parliamentary board. Advani & Co have the skin of a rhino and you can expect them to be absolutely shameless. Also, it may not be possible to carry out an internal coup against Advani gang ... party constitution has to be followed otherwise EC may not cooperate.

I don't know who is behind "Pranav" and the motives and agenda. I don't know if he/she is western plotters to ensure UPA's victory. I don't know if he/she is super egoistic (a.ka. stereotyped as Iyengar) for whom it is "either it is my way or go to hell(even if country goes down fine)". I don't want to speculate anyway.

{I am trying to construct message without offending the messenger here}

However, if samething comes from someone on TV or some intelligentia or some NGOs who are vehemently supporting Anna/Kerjriwal and is also looking for break up of BJP at a moment when Modi is peaking, I would be convinced to say that this person desperately wants to see Sonia's dynasty back to power. This can be a true behaviour of a manchurian candidate. One can wear saffron , big tilak, do havans, give big bhashans about the future coming of bharat varsh but could take money from CIA and oppose/divide anti-UPA votes or worse divide/sabotage BJP votes.

A sold out (even to dynasty) Advani/Sushma is extremely better than anything that we are seeing now. Being sold out also has room to manipulate the system and screw the dynasty. The best ever person who screwed the dynasty was the one who is considered to be loyal to dynasty and then who was apporved to become PM on their behalf. Power does not flow alway in one direction. It can change unexpectedly.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Apr 2013 22:15

Muppalla wrote:
However, if samething comes from someone on TV or some intelligentia or some NGOs who are vehemently supporting Anna/Kerjriwal and is also looking for break up of BJP at a moment when Modi is peaking, I would be convinced to say that this person desperately wants to see Sonia's dynasty back to power

Satya vachan Muppalla ji.

A sold out (even to dynasty) Advani/Sushma is extremely better than anything that we are seeing now. Being sold out also has room to manipulate the system and screw the dynasty. The best ever person who screwed the dynasty was the one who is considered to be loyal to dynasty and then who was apporved to become PM on their behalf. Power does not flow alway in one direction. It can change unexpectedly.

Even more penetrating insights saar.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Apr 2013 22:18

Well said Muppallaji. Too many prescriptions being served to BJP by fair-weather as well as non-BJP supporters here.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 22:26

Muppalla wrote: I don't know who is behind "Pranav" and the motives and agenda. I don't know if he/she is western plotters to ensure UPA's victory. I don't know if he/she is super egoistic (a.ka. stereotyped as Iyengar) for whom it is "either it is my way or go to hell(even if country goes down fine)". I don't want to speculate anyway.

However, if samething comes from someone on TV or some intelligentia or some NGOs who are vehemently supporting Anna/Kerjriwal and is also looking for break up of BJP at a moment when Modi is peaking, I would be convinced to say that this person desperately wants to see Sonia's dynasty back to power. This can be a true behaviour of a manchurian candidate. One can wear saffron , big tilak, do havans, give big bhashans about the future coming of bharat varsh but could take money from CIA and oppose/divide anti-UPA votes or worse divide/sabotage BJP votes.

All that is fine, but doesn't answer the point I was raising.

A sold out (even to dynasty) Advani/Sushma is extremely better than anything that we are seeing now. Being sold out also has room to manipulate the system and screw the dynasty. The best ever person who screwed the dynasty was the one who is considered to be loyal to dynasty and then who was apporved to become PM on their behalf. Power does not flow alway in one direction. It can change unexpectedly.

Fine. If you have honestly decided that you will be OK with a Brajesh Mishra type dispensation, which will shield the Mainos and keep Modi aside, then you should make that clear up front.

I am only pro-logic and pro-clarity, with no room for emotionalism or fuzzy thinking.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 22:34

RajeshA wrote: Would RSS allow it?

Politicians don't really work in void and isolation. A politician is a politician only if he has a few people supporting him! Would Advani do anything where he is the lone voice standing?

Right now, nobody and I mean NOBODY can really stop Modi, as long as the Karyakartas of BJP have embraced him in their hearts!

See RajeshA ji, you talk about Karyakartas tearing people and embracing Modi in their hearts etc but you need to think through the sequence of events and the timeline.

Advani still thinks of himself as the tallest leader. He has a brute force majority in the parliamentary board and he is certainly not in the mood to step aside any time soon.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Apr 2013 22:38

Pranav wrote: ...
I am only pro-logic and pro-clarity, with no room for emotionalism or fuzzy thinking.

Pranavji if you are pro-logic and pro-clarity, with no room for emotionalism or fuzzy thinking then what are you doing supporting Kejriwalji. He is nothing more than a nautanki or a street performer with no real political muscle and thus no real chance of changing anything for the better in India. Just to help you decide better, here are few charges that Kejriwal has not yet responded to..

Digvijay poses 27 queries; Kejriwal refuses to reply

...
Singh also asked Kejriwal: "Is it a fact that in your entire service of 20 years in Indian Revenue Service, you never served outside Delhi even though the norms of the service are that all IRS officers serve a posting only for three years in a place? Is it a fact that even your wife, who is also an IRS officer, has never served outside Delhi?"

"Is it a fact that any serving officer, who goes on study leave for two years with full pay has to submit a full report of his study to the government? Is it a fact that you didn't submit a full report but only an interim report with a promise to submit a full report later, which you never did," he asked.

He asked Kejriwal if he was transferred to Chandigarh but did not join, then sought voluntary retirement from service and even without it being approved, absented from office.

Singh asked if Kejriwal, while serving as an IRS officer, took permission from the government to receive foreign and private funds for his NGO.
...

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 23 Apr 2013 22:43

Muppalla wrote:
I don't know who is behind "Pranav" and the motives and agenda. I don't know if he/she is western plotters to ensure UPA's victory. I don't know if he/she is super egoistic (a.ka. stereotyped as Iyengar) for whom it is "either it is my way or go to hell(even if country goes down fine)". I don't want to speculate anyway.

{I am trying to construct message without offending the messenger here}

However, if samething comes from someone on TV or some intelligentia or some NGOs who are vehemently supporting Anna/Kerjriwal and is also looking for break up of BJP at a moment when Modi is peaking, I would be convinced to say that this person desperately wants to see Sonia's dynasty back to power. This can be a true behaviour of a manchurian candidate. One can wear saffron , big tilak, do havans, give big bhashans about the future coming of bharat varsh but could take money from CIA and oppose/divide anti-UPA votes or worse divide/sabotage BJP votes.

A sold out (even to dynasty) Advani/Sushma is extremely better than anything that we are seeing now. Being sold out also has room to manipulate the system and screw the dynasty. The best ever person who screwed the dynasty was the one who is considered to be loyal to dynasty and then who was apporved to become PM on their behalf. Power does not flow alway in one direction. It can change unexpectedly.

+++1 Satya Vachan Muppalla Ji

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 22:48

BijuShet wrote: Pranavji if you are pro-logic and pro-clarity, with no room for emotionalism or fuzzy thinking then what are you doing supporting Kejriwalji. He is nothing more than a nautanki or a street performer with no real political muscle and thus no real chance of changing anything for the better in India. Just to help you decide better, here are few charges that Kejriwal has not yet responded to..

Re Kejriwal & Co - they may have plus and minus points and I am not necessarily saying that they should be supported. The issue is whether there are making any valid points which others are choosing to ignore. Also, we can't ignore the fact that they are getting traction among disadvantaged populations. When a poor labourer has had his 5 year old daughter kidnapped and raped, is pushed away by the police, and does not know where to go, it is the AAP that he reaches out to. And they have helped make the child's plight a national issue.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 23 Apr 2013 22:50

Wow so what is AAP upto these days? Fight Delhi, divide vote and help congress. If that does not succeed, wish that Modi be declared PM candidate so that NK can walk out and NDA (may) gets down by 20 seats? If not that then maybe NM splits BJP and starts a new party...all so that Maino clan can come back to power.
My take, Ford investment in Kejriwal will come to naught, AAP will fail in Delhi and elsewhere. The only nationalist in that party (albeit a simpleton), Hazare has quit, 'give Kashmir to TSP' Bhushan needs another meeting with BKS, another 'neutral' but dienasty lover Yogendar Yadav of AAP thinks that he is indeed neutral, Aruna Roy thinks that fool Indians will not see her NAC membership......(I can go on and on on almost all AAP members)
The funny thing is AAP is full of people who could have been easily in NAC, probably tried, but they were advised to 'create' AAP so that what they could do what they did with Chiranjivee in A,P be done in India using AAP. Probably still can be done, EVM may take away those crucial few % votes from NDA/BJP and assign to AAP and voila we have secularism winning one more time with UPA -3.
rgds,
fanne

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 22:54

fanne wrote:Wow so what is AAP upto these days? Fight Delhi, divide vote and help congress. If that does not succeed, wish that Modi be declared PM candidate so that NK can walk out and NDA (may) gets down by 20 seats? If not that then maybe NM splits BJP and starts a new party...all so that Maino clan can come back to power.
My take, Ford investment in Kejriwal will come to naught, AAP will fail in Delhi and elsewhere. The only nationalist in that party (albeit a simpleton), Hazare has quit, 'give Kashmir to TSP' Bhushan needs another meeting with BKS, another 'neutral' but dienasty lover Yogendar Yadav of AAP thinks that he is indeed neutral, Aruna Roy thinks that fool Indians will not see her NAC membership.
The funny thing is AAP is full of people who could have been easily in NAC, probably tried, but they were advised to 'create' AAP so that what they could do with Chiranjivee in AP can be doe in India using AAP. Probably still can be done, EVM may take away those crucial few % votes from NDA/BJP and assign to AAP and voila we have secularism winning one more time with UPA -3.
rgds,
fanne

I think many tall BJP leaders would prefer to sit in opposition and eat crumbs thrown on the floor by Maino, rather than have their own skeletons and Damaads come out.

geeth · Post by **geeth** » 23 Apr 2013 22:59

I was about to type "Who this "Pranav" is..but then My daughter called me for some help and when I am back, Muppallaji did exactly that...Vow!

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Apr 2013 23:13

Pranav wrote:
BijuShet wrote: Pranavji if you are pro-logic and pro-clarity, with no room for emotionalism or fuzzy thinking then what are you doing supporting Kejriwalji. He is nothing more than a nautanki or a street performer with no real political muscle and thus no real chance of changing anything for the better in India. Just to help you decide better, here are few charges that Kejriwal has not yet responded to..
Re Kejriwal & Co - they may have plus and minus points and I am not necessarily saying that they should be supported. The issue is whether there are making any valid points which others are choosing to ignore. Also, we can't ignore the fact that they are getting traction among disadvantaged populations. When a poor labourer has had his 5 year old daughter kidnapped and raped, is pushed away by the police, and does not know where to go, it is the AAP that he reaches out to. And they have helped make the child's plight a national issue.

Pranavji please do not take BJP's credit and attribute it to AAP. As I said AAP is good for nautanki and collecting foreign NGO funds. At the street level it has no aukaat. Just to show here are 2 links to buttress who did what for the poor 5 years old victim
From Salon: 5-year-old rape victim’s condition improving

...
For the second consecutive day, hundreds of people protested Sunday outside police headquarters in the capital, angry over allegations that police had ignored complaints by the girl’s parents that she was missing.

About 100 supporters of the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party protested outside the home of the chief of the ruling Congress Party, Sonia Gandhi, demanding that the government ensure the safety and security of women and girls in the city.
...

From Business Insider: 5-Year-Old Victim Abandoned In Hospital As India Faces Child Rape Crisis

...
A five year old girl who was raped and left in a critical condition has been abandoned by her parents at India's leading hospital, an opposition leader has revealed amid growing anger over sexual assaults on children.

Sushma Swaraj, parliamentary leader of the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, was visiting another five year old rape victim in a critical condition whose case had sparked protests throughout the capital when she was told by nurses of the abandoned girl and other victims they had treated.
...

Pic from article above shows who is protesting : http://static3.businessinsider.com/imag ... crisis.jpg

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 23:24

BijuShet wrote: Pranavji please do not take BJP's credit and attribute it to AAP. As I said AAP is good for nautanki and collecting foreign NGO funds. At the street level it has no aukaat.

Actually, as stated by the girl's uncle in an interview, the first people the family turned to, in desperation, was the AAP. See https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/325589590704537601 (tweet from Headlines Today.)

The BJP came in later, after the case had generated a lot of outrage among the people.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 23 Apr 2013 23:39

Pranav wrote:
BijuShet wrote: Pranavji please do not take BJP's credit and attribute it to AAP. As I said AAP is good for nautanki and collecting foreign NGO funds. At the street level it has no aukaat.
Actually, as stated by the girl's uncle in an interview, the first people the family turned to, in desperation, was the AAP.

The BJP came in later, after the case had generated a lot of outrage among the people.

And yet, where was AAP?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Apr 2013 23:40

Shonu wrote: And yet, where was AAP?

On the frontlines, pretty much, in this particular case.

There is also an interesting new AAP initiative for an women's security force - http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/women-security-force/ . It's a necessary step. Let's see how that goes.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Apr 2013 23:50

^^^^
AAP or BJP or any other party can do good things to India , everyone will support them.

If AAP wants to do good to Indians, it should show why it is different from others, what policies it will bring diffferent fron the rest and etc etc.

At present the top including Kejriwal and his acolytes are compromised. Some anti nationals are also members.

If AK can remove them(fat chance) then I will give it a shot.

Ordinary folks cannot worry about these scoundrels do their roti sabzi makaan etc issues but people like AK should mean business and think good of India.
start from top. Are you ready AK. be above suspicion.
Is it too much to ask AK.
alas no answers.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Apr 2013 00:01

AAP is getting volunteers to help people -- nice work. No problems with it.

In trying times like these, any help is welcome for the beseiged people - women and children along with their famiiles.

AAP is also trying t improve its base hence the work and vigour to enter the political landscape of Delhi dominated by main parties.
It is also a political ploy to create a active vote bank in the coming elections. the populace in AAP will split the 2 main parties -- is it congis or BJP only time will tell. It is a good guess.

If the same done was done by BJP it would have become a hot political potatao for BJP due to adverse media fallout etc etc.

AAP is given a kids glove treatment in this .

Only BJP protestors are targetting the main ruling political leaders.

AAP are using emotional tug at this point, not forcing the ruling party leaders.

Overall I dont have any issue with either parties as both being in opposition have to capitlalise on failings of congis.

I still root for NaMo as AK is not above suspicion about his intentions.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Apr 2013 00:17

AAP is the loksatta of delhi, nurtured by congress with care and loads of money so as to eat away anti-congress wave. This ploy has been perfected in Andhra through loksatta and chiranjeevi.

With the amount of resources and the media coverage which AAP has been able to generate without any of its own efforts, I think Sonia Gandhi and co will succeed in this game plan.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 24 Apr 2013 00:18

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/didnt ... 130423.htm

Didn't target anyone at JD-U conclave: Nitish

"I had also praised former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee [ Images ] for the successful run of NDA coalition. How can it (the comment) be construed as comment against somebody," Kumar said, addressing a programme on the birth anniversary of Veer Kunwar Singh in Patna.

All in good time folks. This is big game, no need to get upset and start attacking own flanks at first sign of enemy charge.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 24 Apr 2013 00:19

Does anyone think there is any truth to this?

NARENDRA MODI WILL NEITHER BE PROJECTED AS PM BEFORE LOK SABHA POLLS,NOR EVER MADE AS PM, BY BJP-RSS!

The RSS and the BJP Bosses are trying to Cheat the voters.

The BJP President Rajnath Singh has been ordered by the RSS Sarsanghchalk to Praise Narendra Modi everywhere and project him as the Most Popular Leader of the BJP.

The Bhagwat Strategy is to please the voters who will vote ONLY for Narendra Modi, by getting the BJP President to praise Narendra Modi.

The RSS Chief Bhagwat Strategy is to praise Narendra Modi, to get the Voters glued to Narendra Modi, to vote for the BJP and then make Nitin Gadkari as the Prime Minister.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 24 Apr 2013 00:59

Virupaksha wrote:AAP is the loksatta of delhi, nurtured by congress with care and loads of money so as to eat away anti-congress wave. This ploy has been perfected in Andhra through loksatta and chiranjeevi.

With the amount of resources and the media coverage which AAP has been able to generate without any of its own efforts, I think Sonia Gandhi and co will succeed in this game plan.

Actually they say they publish details of every rupee received in donations on their website - http://aamaadmiparty.org/List_of_Donors.aspx

for example, there were 2176 donations by credit/debit card from 1 Feb to 28 Feb, and here are some of them -

Other parties also have the option of raising the issues which are giving them traction, i.e. corruption, rising prices, safety etc.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Apr 2013 01:03

Why the congress system (including likes of NiKu) fears Modi
http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?arti ... pe=&pgno=4

I was told that Modi did not give a single ticket to a Muslim for the 2012 Assembly election because he had vowed publicly that if a single Muslim ever enters the Assembly, he will have the entire complex washed with Ganga jal. I asked Zafar Sareshwala if there was any truth in this. Here is what he had to say:

Absolute bakwas! Utter nonsense. It just shows how vicious are the lies being spread against Modi and how desperate is the Congress to keep the Muslim vote bank. Modi’s hands were tied because of Congress ganging up with VHP, RSS and Bajrang Dal. Win ability was a major factor in this election. Why is it that those who criticize him for not giving single ticket to Muslims for the 2012 assembly election, never appreciate an unprecedented number of Muslims winning on BJP ticket in the panchayat, municipal and zila parishad elections? If Muslims were seriously upset on this count would they have ensured victory of BJP’s Hindu candidates against Congress Party’s Muslim candidates in those areas where they a substantial vote percentage or majority?
...
In the 2012 elections 31% Muslims voted for BJP. In Asifa Khan’s Bharuch areas more than 35% Muslims have voted for BJP and this pro BJP voting has taken place even where the Congress candidate was a Muslim. Congress has lost even where Muslim vote share ranged from 38% to 62%. In such decisive constituencies, a BJP Hindu has won.Why? I said on CNN IBN, that you people are mistaken about the reasons for his high poll percentage in the 2012 elections. The 75% voter turnout happened because the Muslim community came out in big numbers to save Modi.
...
I know some very big Islamic scholars who said, “Vote for Modi. We need Modi. May Allah save us, if he loses! Who knows who will come if Modi loses!” (Modi ko vote do, Modi chahiye, Allah khair kare,Ye haara kaun aayega pata nahi).

At this rate soon Indian Muslims will own Narendra Modi as Rama (of Rama Rajya) of Indian Muslims

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Apr 2013 01:05

Pranav,

Those funds of AAP are not of the level to generate hype or anywhere close enough to sustain a meeting.. These are the white election books.

The real books are somewhere else.

PS: Why are we discussing that communist Arvind Kejriwal who has the loosest morals possible than even congress? Once we hear his speech and his ideology, no normal person who knows basics about economics/Indian interests will even treat him with respect.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 24 Apr 2013 01:20

Virupaksha wrote:Pranav,

Those funds of AAP are not of the level to generate hype or anywhere close enough to sustain a meeting.. These are the white election books.

The real books are somewhere else.

I agree that normal political parties with paid, transported and fed demonstrators would not be able to sustain themselves on that kind of money.

PS: Why are we discussing that communist Arvind Kejriwal who has the loosest morals possible than even congress? Once we hear his speech and his ideology, no normal person who knows basics about economics/Indian interests will even treat him with respect.

Somehow people can't stop bringing up Kejriwal in the discussion.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 24 Apr 2013 01:24

Pranav ji,

how is the media attention sustained on AAP. How does the airtime gets traded. Are you sure AAP commands the same degree of viewer interest as it did during Anna days. And are you sure MSM does not work for money.

Also for others, had some of you guys been there you would have realized that IAC was not a front of Kongis. In fact it was an out and out Sanghi freelance project. Most likely a Nitin Gadkari project. Because of the freelancing nature it could have and it did get compromised and once that happened BR tried to save the situation in Mumbai which backfired and then finally Anna ji realised it was slipping out of hands. Today it is just a mercenary group whose main claim to fame is their ability to hoodwink 2% votes which is what will be required by both Kongis and Sanghis.

But the Kongis fail to realize they can gain only in Delhi. AAP is useless at all places outside Delhi. The influence is not felt even as far as Noida/Faridabad/Gurgaon. Strictly New Delhi phenomena.

Further Kongis fail to realize the IAC movement itself was a shot fired without an aim and fired too early and out of range. There is just no way AK would be able to sustain the tempo till 2014, whatever the media exposure.

Credits to AK for fooling everybody. As they say you can fool everybody some of the times.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 24 Apr 2013 01:29

Shonu wrote:Does anyone think there is any truth to this?

NARENDRA MODI WILL NEITHER BE PROJECTED AS PM BEFORE LOK SABHA POLLS,NOR EVER MADE AS PM, BY BJP-RSS!

The RSS and the BJP Bosses are trying to Cheat the voters.

The BJP President Rajnath Singh has been ordered by the RSS Sarsanghchalk to Praise Narendra Modi everywhere and project him as the Most Popular Leader of the BJP.

The Bhagwat Strategy is to please the voters who will vote ONLY for Narendra Modi, by getting the BJP President to praise Narendra Modi.

The RSS Chief Bhagwat Strategy is to praise Narendra Modi, to get the Voters glued to Narendra Modi, to vote for the BJP and then make Nitin Gadkari as the Prime Minister.

Seems to be a realistic assessment.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 24 Apr 2013 01:53

Pranav wrote: Somehow people can't stop bringing up Kejriwal in the discussion.

Correct me if I am wrong. AAP starts and ends with Kejriwal. Do you not see the dichotomy in your views? the definite pan Indian appeal of BJP compared to a small section of young Marxists (who find no voice among the skeletons of CPI, CPM) who find the teat of Kejriwal more appealing?

If it was BJP doing what Kejriwal is doing it would be considered a criminal offence attracting ire of media and law.