Internal Security Watch

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Apr 2013 18:32

No issues bud.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2013 18:35

mea culpa on my end too...got confused between VijayK and yVijay(who is gult).

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Apr 2013 18:49

It's cool. BTW, what is "gult"?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2013 18:57

gult / gulte= Telugu in reverse.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 25 Apr 2013 01:17

Tarek Fatah doing a nice job exposing Islamist-Communist nexus.. Sharia-Bolsheviks (a term coined by Fatah) is quite apt..

We need more such people..

BTW, the last picture shows the notice board of JNU full of pejoratives against NM..

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Apr 2013 01:34

So according to the Democratic and progressive ideology of JNU Tarek Fateh is communal and Owaisi and Bukhari are democratic and progressive. Dharma sure is subtle, but Adharma not so for sure at JNU.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 25 Apr 2013 01:53

It is a real test for Indian Muslims and Communists.. Muslims have already failed this test when they cancelled his lecture in Jamia Milia Islamia.. This alone is enough to dash the hope AND belief of many fence-sitter Hindus who still believe that Islam can be modified and changed by Gandhian means (change of heart).. This wrangling in JNU will answer the belief about Indian commies as well..

Taliban is Result (natija) of Pakistan. Al Qaida is result of Pakistan. Pakistan is responsible for 9/11. Pakistan is responsible for attacks on Mumbai and Delhi. The two nation theory is to blame for the killing of 1 lakh kashmiris.

These <self-edited an offensive word pertaining to their posteriors> from JNU take objection at this stance by fatah. What degree of <self-edited an offensive word pertaining to their mothers> these people from JNU are? How the <edit> can they say that this is a communal view of Fatah. This is <editing> truth.. TSP is responsible for 26/11. period. The buggers were caught speaking live on phone. One bugger was caught, he confessed, Pakistan's role was conclusively proven (again) in all courts of India. Still it is communal view to say Pakistan is behind terrorist attacks on India.

Seriously, what kind of low-lives these people are? I am out of all words which could come close to expressing the anger I feel within. All I can say is that they are sub-human parasites living in India which deserve to be liquidated.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 25 Apr 2013 02:00

JE Menon wrote:It's cool. BTW, what is "gult"?

Seriously, were you thinking of pink skin or skin like a rose?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Apr 2013 02:02

Indian secularism is not secualrism which is separation of Church and State or the Religious from the State. Indian secualrism is appeasement of the Islamic terrorists. If this is secularism then the residents of Ekachakra nagaram were also secular when they used to deliver one of their citizens and cartload of food to Bakasura to avoid mass killings.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 25 Apr 2013 02:12

Ekchakra stopped sending food moment they had Bhimsena in their city.. Bhimsena here is growing fat and lazy, because ekachakra is not using him.

It is wrong example, ramana ji.. Here, the string-holders of ekchakra want a section of their subjects to die. In real ekchakra, we had family heads sacrificing themselves to save their younger ones. This is not even ekchakra..

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Apr 2013 02:19

Satya_anveshi wrote:mea culpa on my end too...got confused between VijayK and yVijay(who is gult).

VijayK is also guilt. He has a special style of writing. He posts articles with his style of inline comments. All I can say is that JeM had just read one or two posts that has pig/piglets or whatever and he tood the drastic decision. I don't blame him other than saying that it was one off those bad days. VijayK brings a lot of content that a lot of us don't dig thru websites. A good contributor.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Apr 2013 02:22

Atri, Too much off-color language in your post. Please edit one more time.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Apr 2013 08:37

Has this been posted?

German Bakery blast accused calls Pune builder 8 times, demands Rs10 crore
Tuesday, Mar 12, 2013, 4:39 IST | Place: Pune | Agency: DNA
Sandip Dighe

In a sensational turn of events, German Bakery blast accused Mohsin Chowdhary is alleged to have called a prominent city builder seeking extortion money of Rs10 crore.

In a sensational turn of events, German Bakery blast accused Mohsin Chowdhary is alleged to have called a prominent city builder seeking extortion money of Rs10 crore.

The builder, who is considered to be close to Union agriculture minister Sharad Pawar, received as many as eight calls from Chowdhary who is also said to be the top operative of Indian Mujahideen and has been absconding for months.

http://www.dnaindia.com/pune/1810111/re ... rs10-crore

It is being alleged that the German Bakery case also had a real estate angle to it. Land prices in the Koregaon Park area, near the Osho Ashram, are quite high.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Apr 2013 11:36

Can I understand this JNU, there is so much hatred against Indian State, Hindus, Indian Beauracracy, Indian Miltary, Indian Business, yet many who go there become key bureaucrats, Media personal and INC elite.

Why not shut the damn university that hates India soo much.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 25 Apr 2013 11:59

Some captioning and highlighting.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 25 Apr 2013 12:02

Close JNU??!!
No. Its a fine university. Plus these are useful idiots. They keep the debate alive. give colour to views etc etc
One should counter these fellows. ideologically in the university.
There was also a pamphlet written in Hindi by a MUSLIM against the hijacking of Islam by sharia-communists. In JNU. Read it and agreed with it. Will try to take pictures and post images.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Apr 2013 12:18

brihaspati wrote:
JE Menon wrote:It's cool. BTW, what is "gult"?
Seriously, were you thinking of pink skin or skin like a rose?

No idea what you mean b. you'll have to explain that one.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Apr 2013 12:21

>>Close JNU??!!

By no means. It must be allowed to rot at its own pace. No serious, or worthwhile individual, will take the crap at face value. Those who do, are not worth pursuing. Let them expose themselves more and more.

It is the best support Modi can actually get. Normally, you have to pay for this shite.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 25 Apr 2013 18:08

No serious, or worthwhile individual, will take the crap at face value.

They are ruling the country. Its the other side that is not taken seriously.

UP withdraws terror charges against Gorakhpur blasts accused.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1826636/r ... mastermind

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 50019.aspx

However, senior police officials fear this might start off a series of such releases driven by votebank politics which could have dangerous consequences. “For its own political games, the government is neutralizing all the efforts we put in to arrest these terrorists,” a police official with the Uttar Pradesh anti terror squad (ATS) lamented.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 25 Apr 2013 18:27

JEM look up "gulten" in Turkish.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Apr 2013 19:18

UP withdraws terror charges against Gorakhpur blasts accused.

We are a true banana republic!

Another 10-15 years and another partition seems to be imminent going by the trends

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2013 20:18

if not partition atleast separate sharia courts and law for muslims, no-go areas like liberated zones where non-muslim structures will not be tolerated....these political vote bankers will gladly sell their wives if they can gain some benefit.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Apr 2013 20:30

Singha wrote:if not partition atleast separate sharia courts and law for muslims, no-go areas like liberated zones where non-muslim structures will not be tolerated....these political vote bankers will gladly sell their wives if they can gain some benefit.

This has already happened.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Apr 2013 22:45

sum wrote:
UP withdraws terror charges against Gorakhpur blasts accused.
We are a true banana republic!

Another 10-15 years and another partition seems to be imminent going by the trends

ATS and the center or NGOs should take that to courts under charge of treason.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 25 Apr 2013 22:47

^^^ What will ATS do when all UP Hindus have gone blind? What else did they expect when voting for Maulana Mulayam? You can't eat shit and expect taste of strawberry.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 26 Apr 2013 03:11

Latest from Akbaruddin Owasi after bail.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Apr 2013 12:17

^^
This video too has to be circulated far and wide - shows the Islamists in their real face and not the taqiyya they regularly pull with the help of the obliging sikular #MSM.

His rabid rant ends by calling NaMo as "Hindustan ke sabse bade Jungli Jaanwar". PaidMedia completely ignores it.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Apr 2013 14:59

And the rulers of this nation along withthier NGo media crowd are in bed with him and his bro.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Apr 2013 23:27

twitter world-
from kerala--

Nidheesh. N. Nair‏@nidheeshn5h
@DRJAGADESH @mediacrooks There was raid on terror camps in Kerala last week.No national news channel covered it. 21terror trainees arrested

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Apr 2013 23:30

A gem why riots occur in secular states and not in BJP ones

Faieza Khan @faiezakhan

No riots in BJP led States,not because they are secular but because Muslims have been oppressed in these states .No freedom @minhazmerchant

expect freedom to riot as one of the most important constitutional gurantee for them.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 28 Apr 2013 02:02

Now for the latest insult to the people of India by the terrorist-celebrating and glorifying SGPC (who are certainly aware now that the Gurdwara is dedicated to the terrorist Bhindranwale):

SGPC 'unaware' as memorial is dedicated to Bhindrawale

Navjeevan Gopal : Amritsar, Sun Apr 28 2013, 00:36 hrs

Touted as a gurdwara by the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee and the ruling Shiromani Akali Dal in Punjab, the Operation Bluestar memorial unveiled Saturday on Golden Temple premises has been dedicated by name to militant Sikh leader Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale and others who were killed during the 1984 Army operation.

An inscription in Punjabi at the entrance to Gurdwara Yaadgar Shaheedan, as the structure has been named, reads: "Memorial in the memory of 14th head of Damdami Taksal Martyr Saint Giani Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale and all the martyrs of 1984".

Notably, a controversy had erupted last year after the SGPC executive committee announced the setting up of the memorial and assigned the work to Damdami Taksal. The SAD's alliance partner, BJP, and the Congress had opposed the memorial.

To defuse the situation, particularly in the light of the fact that the most vocal opposition to the memorial came from BJP, SGPC chief Avtar Singh Makkar announced that the structure would not have any names or photos, but would come up as a gurdwara dedicated to the martyrs of the 1984 Army operation.

Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal too had asserted that as a religious monument, it will not be dedicated to anyone by name. Both had maintained that like other Sikh shrines, only the Guru Granth Sahib will adorn the memorial gurdwara.

However, the memorial, which was unveiled on Saturday after the bhog of Akhand Path that began on Thursday, has a wall clock with Bhindrawale's picture embossed on it. A banner was also put outside the memorial, dedicating it to him. The fact that the memorial has been named after Bhindrawale was revealed only after SGPC chief Makkar and Akal Takht chief Giani Gurbachan Singh had left. Damdami Taksal chief Harnam Singh Khalsa, the 16th chief of the Sikh seminary, then unveiled the inscription on the entrance.

Makkar claimed to be unaware of the development. "I am not aware if they have mentioned Bhindrawale's name. It was supposed to be a gurdwara and was not supposed to have any names and photos of anyone. I will discuss the issue with Akal Takht chief. The matter will be discussed in SGPC also."

Akal Takht chief Giani Gurbachan Singh also expressed ignorance. "I am not aware whether any name has been written. I would speak to Sant Giani Harnam Singh Khalsa and the issue would be sorted out," he said.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 28 Apr 2013 06:04

^^ should they not all live in secular states then ? But they don't why ? Better to live in ghetto and break India once more right ?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Apr 2013 06:18

A people are known by their heroes.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Apr 2013 06:38

If Muslims are not oppressed means they will riot?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Apr 2013 11:58

the freedom of muslims to riot and vandalize will no doubt be granted as a fundamental right by UPA-3

kish · Post by **kish** » 28 Apr 2013 14:35

Sarabjit Singh, and the spies India left out in the cold

Last summer, an ageing Sikh man with the full grey beard of the pious came across the Wagah border, at the end of thirty years and six months in a maximum-security Pakistani prison. In December 1981, Surjeet Singh had left his home in the village of Fidda, telling his wife he’d soon be back. In photographs taken not long before then, Singh had a neatly-trimmed moustache, a smart tie, a well-fitted jacket – and the intense look of young men with energy and ambition. He came home to a country that chooses, even today, not to recognise him.

“I had gone to spy,” Singh told journalists gathered to document his return—shocking many. They shouldn’t have been.

Now, as Indians watch Kot Lakhpat prisoner Sarabjit Singh’s battle for survival following a lethal jail-house attack, it is more important than ever for us to understand how dozens of men like him ended up in jail in the first place.

It is hard to be certain whether Sarabjit Singh is, as Pakistani courts have found, an Indian secret agent responsible for terrorist bombings which claimed 14 lives—or, as his family and advocates insist, a victim of mistaken identity. We do, however, know this: Sarabjit Singh’s story is linked to the untold, and mostly unknown, story of India’s secret war with Pakistan.
Men like Sarabjit Singh, who fought India's covert wars of the 1980s, have become unwelcome reminders of an embarrassing past. AFP

Men like Sarabjit Singh, who fought India’s covert wars of the 1980s, have become unwelcome reminders of an embarrassing past. AFP

“The water,” Pakistan’s military ruler General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq told his spymaster, General Akhtar Malik, in December 1979, “must boil at the right temperature.” Even as General Malik’s proxy armies of jihadists battled the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, Pakistan feared pushing the superpower to the point where it might retaliate. Key to Pakistan’s fears was India. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, General Zia believed, might be pushed by the Soviet Union into unleashing a war on its behalf. His chosen counter-strategy was to try to tie down India in a bruising internal conflict in Punjab.

From the early 1980s, Khalistan terrorists began receiving weapons and arms from the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, sparking off a war that would claim over 20,000 lives before it was done.

Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi ordered retaliation. The Research and Analysis Wing set up two covert groups, known only as Counter Intelligence Team-X and Counter Intelligence Team-J, the first targeting Pakistan in general and the second directed in particular at Khalistani groups. Each Khalistan terror attack targeting India’s cities was met with retaliatory attacks in Lahore, Multan and Karachi through CIT-X. “The role of our covert action capability in putting an end to the ISI’s interference in Punjab,” the former RAW officer B Raman wrote in 2002, “by making such interference prohibitively costly is little known”.

Men like Surjeet Singh were the soldiers in this secret war. For decades, both India and Pakistan had relied on trans-border operators to spy on each other’s militaries. There were some who agreed to do so in return for the right to smuggle alcohol, gold, electronics and heroin. There were others, too, who volunteered, driven by patriotism. Some of the men received training in the tradecraft of the secret agent—avoiding detection; building cover-identities; secret writing using aspirin tablets dissolved in alcohol, to be mailed to RAW outposts in Iran; more lethal skills, like building bombs.

“I did 85 trips to Pakistan,” Surjeet Singh told the BBC’s Geeta Pandey. “I would visit Pakistan and bring back documents for the army. I always returned the next day. I had never had any trouble.” His last trip ended as a spies’ career often does—with betrayal. Singh was sentenced to death, but in 1985 his sentence was commuted to life imprisonment.

For reasons that are still unclear, CIT-X and CIT-J were shut down by Prime Minister IK Gujral in 1997. Prime Minister PV Narasimha Rao is believed to have earlier terminated RAW’s eastern operations as part of his efforts to build bridges with China and Myanmar.

The secret soldiers were, mostly, forgotten. “I felt like a used napkin,” said Karamat Rohi, who says he served RAW until his arrest inside Pakistan in 1988, where he remained imprisoned, disowned by India, until 2005. “I felt I was doing a great service to the nation. I did not expect some great reward, but being abandoned is humiliating.”

Stories like these are common. Gurdaspur resident Gopal Dass was sent home after spending 27 years in a Pakistani jail. In 2011, the Supreme Court shot down Dass’ claim for compensation from the government. The court said Dass had no evidence he ever worked for RAW—though a field court martial at Sialkot Cantonment in Pakistan awarded him a life sentence on 27 December 1986.

India’s less-than-enthusiastic covert warfare efforts were, perhaps, shaped by circumstance. In 1947, as imperial Britain left India, its covert services were stripped bare. The senior-most British Indian Police officer in the Intelligence Bureau, Qurban Ali Khan, chose Pakistani citizenship—and left for his new homeland with what few sensitive files departing British officials neglected to destroy. The Intelligence Bureau, Lieutenant-General LP Singh has recorded, was reduced to a “tragi-comic state of helplessness,” possessing nothing but “empty racks and cupboards”.

The Military Intelligence Directorate in New Delhi didn’t even have a map of Jammu and Kashmir to make sense of the first radio intercepts signalling the beginning of the war of 1947-1948.

For Pakistan, covert warfare was a tool of survival: faced with a larger and infinitely better-resourced neighbour, it knew it could not compete in conventional military terms. Khan is credited with early doctrinal efforts on Pakistan’s behalf, positing that covert warfare could open up crippling ethnic-religious faultlines in India.

Thus, Pakistan initiated covert warfare in Jammu and Kashmir soon after its failed military effort in 1947-48, backing groups that bombed government buildings and bridges. From the 1960s, it backed a succession of proto-jihadist networks. Major-General Akbar Khan, who commanded the Pakistani forces during that first India-Pakistan war, has also recorded in his memoirs that his country’s covert forces supplied weapons to Islamist irregulars in Hyderabad. Pakistan’s covert services operated similarly in the east, training Naga groups in the Chittagong Hill tracts.

India’s covert capabilities also began to develop significantly in the wake of the 1962 war with China. Aided by the United States, the newly-founded RAW developed sophisticated signals intelligence and photo-reconnaissance capabilities. Central Intelligence Agency instructors also trained Establishment 22, a covert organisation raised from among Tibetan refugees in India, to execute deep-penetration terror operations in China. Establishment 22, operating under the command of Major-General Surjit Singh Uban, carried out deep-penetration strikes against Pakistani forces under the RAW umbrella prior to the onset of the war.

Following the war, RAW’s attentions now turned elsewhere. Establishment 22 personnel played a key role in Sikkim’s accession to the Union of India; helped train Tamil terrorists operating against Sri Lanka; provided military assistance to groups hostile to the pro-China regime in Myanmar, such as the Kachin Independence Army. Pakistan, it seemed to some, had been taught a lesson in 1971—and was no longer a threat to India.

Time hasn’t proved that assumption well-founded—reopening debate on whether Prime Minister Gujral’s decision to shut down the covert war needs to be reviewed. Secure behind its nuclear umbrella, Pakistan has pursued covert war whenever it has deemed it in its best interests. Fearful of the potentially awful consequences of all-out war, Delhi has chosen to weather out the crisis rather than retaliate. India’s political leadership believes aggressive covert means of the kind unleashed in the 1980s would only escalate the spiral of violence.

In the wake of the Kargil war, key intelligence officers including a former Intelligence Bureau director, attempted to persuade Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee to issue the necessary authorisations for renewed offensive covert operations against Pakistan. “Vajpayee didn’t say a word,” recalls one official present at the meeting. “He didn’t say no; he didn’t say yes.”

Following the carnage of 26/11, some in India’s intelligence establishment again pushed to develop the resources needed to target jihadist leaders in Pakistan. The project, intelligence sources say, was also denied clearance.

Ever since 1987, governments have used secret channels to try to temper the intensity of the covert war. Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi despatched RAW chief AK Verma to meet with his counterpart, Lieutenant-General Hamid Gul, through then-Jordanian Crown Prince Hasan bin-Talal. Little came of this effort. Later, RAW chief CD Sahay and ISI chief Lieutenant-General Ehsan-ul-Haq discussed cross-border infiltration in Jammu and Kashmir, as part of a ceasefire deal on the Line of Control.

Each time, little tangible has emerged: there’s no evidence Pakistan wishes to give up the covert tools in its arsenal, any more than it is willing to give up its nuclear weapons.

Likelier than not, then, the covert war will continue. In the meanwhile, the men who fought in the 1980s have become unwelcome reminders of an embarrassing past that India no longer wishes to acknowledges.

George Orwell never said, frequent attribution notwithstanding, that “we sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”

The fact that he didn’t say it, though, doesn’t mean the statement is wrong.

India owes its secret soldiers a debt—and Sarabjit Singh’s battle for his life is as good a time as any for us to begin to acknowledge it.

Seems like after Rajiv Gandhi, no body gave a go ahead for offensive operation in pakisatania. No wonder,they get away with terrorist attack not bothering about Indian retaliation.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Apr 2013 08:22

Mumbai gets its first Shariah court to settle civil, marital disputes

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 772852.cms

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Apr 2013 10:56

attempted to persuade Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee to issue the necessary authorisations for renewed offensive covert operations against Pakistan. “Vajpayee didn’t say a word,” recalls one official present at the meeting. “He didn’t say no; he didn’t say yes.”

I do not think any PM or President will be signing off on a paper file leaving a trail of such action for rivals to dig up later and use domestically. in most such cases, a silence would mean "yes" and a vocal "no" as no.
its upto the executive arm to interpret these strategic silences and act on it....but typical of our admin culture, nobody moves one inch until files are signed in triplicate to protect their backsides incase things blow up

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 30 Apr 2013 11:10

Singha wrote:attempted to persuade Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee to issue the necessary authorisations for renewed offensive covert operations against Pakistan. “Vajpayee didn’t say a word,” recalls one official present at the meeting. “He didn’t say no; he didn’t say yes.”

I do not think any PM or President will be signing off on a paper file leaving a trail of such action for rivals to dig up later and use domestically. in most such cases, a silence would mean "yes" and a vocal "no" as no.
its upto the executive arm to interpret these strategic silences and act on it....but typical of our admin culture, nobody moves one inch until files are signed in triplicate to protect their backsides incase things blow up

If Vajpayee did not have ways to communicate unambiguously with IB staff then I am afraid the blame is on him.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 30 Apr 2013 12:31

IIRC, in 1965, the then Raksha Mantri Shri Y B Chavhan asked the IAF to attack Pakistan even before he had informed the PM. So to say that silence means yes etc etc is giving too much credit to Shri ABV than is due if he had indeed remained silent. It just means he was indecisive as a PM and did not do his job well. Looking at it any other way is wishful thinking IMHO.