Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[SwamyG]

Sorry I missed a few minutes...what is happening? Are they harassing him or requesting him? The applause seems good....they interrupted him to praise him?

[Neela]

Well said Neela ji, this slimey NACxlite pranav has been doing it everywhere for quite sometime.

1. Not answering how corrupt kejri stayed all the time in delhi avoiding every 3 years mandatory transfer, how corrupt kejri's corrupt wife continues in delhi avoiding any transfer. Did kejri get foreign funds for his ngo during his govt. job.

2. He wants Modi to break bjp if they don't allow him to be PM candidate. My suggestion pranav is much smarter than kejri so pranav should break aap and make a new party. pranav(Sh. Modi) - kejri (Sh. Advani)

3. Even in China thread he wants us to 'understand from chinese point of view' and 'end corruption' before taking on chinese.

4. And now even the greatest integrater of current Bharatvarsh is also tainted in his eyes.

5. Funny I never read him writing about growing menace of maoism-naxlism, I never read him taking on traitors CPI-M , who had supported china in 1962 and are supporting them upto this day.

6. Where is this bloody NACxlite corrupt khujliwal? Pranav has to provide khujliwal's take on current chinese intrusion as pranav is declared member of AAP!

Well, for this lot, as the old saying goes, if you only have a hammer , every problem is a nail.
With corruption as a only plank to garner for votes, everything has to be channeled through the corruption tag. And that is exactly what Pranav is doing.
He is canvassing here!'
And when that fails to convince , resort to platitudes and then hide under a false comprehension problem - all in a fake civil / polite tone.

[Pranav]

Well said Neela ji, this slimey NACxlite pranav has been doing it everywhere for quite sometime.

1. Not answering how corrupt kejri stayed all the time in delhi avoiding every 3 years mandatory transfer, how corrupt kejri's corrupt wife continues in delhi avoiding any transfer. Did kejri get foreign funds for his ngo during his govt. job.

2. He wants Modi to break bjp if they don't allow him to be PM candidate. My suggestion pranav is much smarter than kejri so pranav should break aap and make a new party. pranav(Sh. Modi) - kejri (Sh. Advani)

3. Even in China thread he wants us to 'understand from chinese point of view' and 'end corruption' before taking on chinese.

4. And now even the greatest integrater of current Bharatvarsh is also tainted in his eyes.

5. Funny I never read him writing about growing menace of maoism-naxlism, I never read him taking on traitors CPI-M , who had supported china in 1962 and are supporting them upto this day.

6. Where is this bloody NACxlite corrupt khujliwal? Pranav has to provide khujliwal's take on current chinese intrusion as pranav is declared member of AAP!

Sigh ... you seem to be rather agitated. If you quote some specific statement of mine which you are exercised about, then we might be able to take it from there.

[Pranav]

Well, for this lot, as the old saying goes, if you only have a hammer , every problem is a nail.
With corruption as a only plank to garner for votes, everything has to be channeled through the corruption tag. And that is exactly what Pranav is doing.
He is canvassing here!

My gentle suggestion to Sharma ji above applies to you too.

[Neela]

Well, for this lot, as the old saying goes, if you only have a hammer , every problem is a nail.
With corruption as a only plank to garner for votes, everything has to be channeled through the corruption tag. And that is exactly what Pranav is doing.
He is canvassing here!

My gentle suggestion to Sharma ji above applies to you too.

I added something at the end of my last post.

and when that fails to convince , resort to platitudes and then hide under a false comprehension problem - all in a fake civil / polite tone.

Did you read the Psy-ops thread?
Sense the tone Pranav, sense the tone across several threads. It is directed against you if that is not clear to you.

[Pranav]

My gentle suggestion to Sharma ji above applies to you too.

I added something at the end of my last post.

and when that fails to convince , resort to platitudes and then hide under a false comprehension problem - all in a fake civil / polite tone.

Did you read the Psy-ops thread?
Sense the tone Pranav, sense the tone across several threads. It is directed against you if that is not clear to you.

In other words, you have no argument to make about anything specific I have said. That's quite all right. Perhaps we should let the thread get back to its intended topic?

[Neela]

. Perhaps we should let the thread get back to its intended topic?

Ah finally you got there. Congratulations.

[RoyG]

Yawn, Nacxalites and all their sympathizers wont do much. All these leftists are on their way out. They have no vision for India besides bankrupting the country. Let these AAP clowns do whatever they want.

[Sanku]

Yawn, Nacxalites and all their sympathizers wont do much. All these leftists are on their way out. They have no vision for India besides bankrupting the country. Let these AAP clowns do whatever they want.

They are definetly going to help congress significantly in Delhi.

[ramana]

Manish_Sharma, Name calling fellow members in the heat of the moment is unproductive and leads to Kalidasa moment (cutting the branch one is sitting on, IOW leads to warning). So dont repeat it.

Thanks, ramana

[muraliravi]

Sanku ji and others who have apprehensions about Bihar and Muslim votes - This is the second poll in two years by LensOnNews. The only way one can live in self-denial is by blaming GVL. The strong arguments will be he failed in some of his previous surveys and big one being 2009.

Split with Nitish will only boost BJP in Bihar: LensOnNews Poll

Thank you Muppalla ji, this is certainly useful and the first report that I have seen of this kind. murali-ji refers to three other surveys, but I don't know what or where they are.

On the question of how much credibility we can give to this survey -- given that GVL last mistake, I think this may be accepted prima facie but further work should be done to confirm the same.

Here you go Sanku ji,

http://deshgujarat.com/2012/08/28/modi- ... tv-survey/

In its mid-term poll survey report released today, national private news TV channel NDTV said that voters feel Narendra Modi should be the BJP’s choice for PM as he scores twice as high as runner up Advani.

Discussing prospective BJP candidates for PM’s post, the survey said, 42% people selected Modi as PM candidate, while 23% were for LK Advani, 20% for Sushma Swaraj and 15% for others.

When it comes to choosing the PM candidate within the Congress, the survey said Rahul Gandhi was preferred by 46%, while Manmohan Singh 33% and Sonia Gandhi 21%.

The survey report said, Gujarat and Rajasthan are keenest on Narendra Modi as the BJP’s choice for PM. 85% people in Gujarat and 62% in Rajasthan selected Narendra Modi as their PM, while the bottom two states were Orissa (27%) and Bihar (31%).

What the buggers NDTV did not show was that even with 31% he is the most popular in bihar by a mile ahead of the rest. that is what lensonnews has shown. I am still digging to get the India today numbers. That is the number pretty much 31% for modi in bihar. Now if he aggressively campaigns there, it is likely to go to maybe 35%.

[Sanku]

^^^

These are great numbers.

[RoyG]

Yawn, Nacxalites and all their sympathizers wont do much. All these leftists are on their way out. They have no vision for India besides bankrupting the country. Let these AAP clowns do whatever they want.

They are definetly going to help congress significantly in Delhi.

And? The whole country is going through a change. They are beginning to return to their civilizational roots and rejecting this leftist/islamic/christian supremacy non sense which has been shoved down our throats. When this happens all their political systems go down the drain as well. Rajiv Malhotra, MR Venkatesh, Narendra Modi, S Gurumurthy, R Vaidyanathan, SN Balagangadhara, Arun Shourie etc are all doing what Shri Adi Shankaracharya did so long ago. They are going to schools, towns, cities, villages, etc and educating the people, debating the Abrahamics, and they are helping us rediscover what it means to come from the holy soil of subcontinent. Could we have imagined the effects websites like Niticentral, twitter, youtube, etc are having on us today?

Congress is going to lose this election. For the first time I can feel it. The mood is completely different across the country. People are outraged and they want to become more prosperous and have a good standard of living not only for themselves but for later generations. Does the common man talk about Lalu, Mulayam, Advani, Sushma, Nitish, Rahul, etc becoming PM? No. They don't give a sh*t about India. If they had Sonia would've been hung in Tihar 4 years ago. I'm not going to make excuses for these people anymore. It is what it is, there isn't any alternative to Modi.

[muraliravi]

Yawn, Nacxalites and all their sympathizers wont do much. All these leftists are on their way out. They have no vision for India besides bankrupting the country. Let these AAP clowns do whatever they want.

They are definetly going to help congress significantly in Delhi.

Exactly, we can whine about them being naxalites, blah blah. Bottomline is they have their task cut out, their only goal is to divide the BJP vote and hand over the delhi assembly to congress and in 2014 as many LS seats of the 7 in delhi to congress.

BJP better get into some aggressive campaign mood in delhi. For once, BJP should throw the ball into sushma's court and ask her to prove that she is a mass leader (if she is) and announce her as CM nominee. If they feel she wont do it, then find someone else and start campaigning right now. I can see delhi really flowing with the namo wave, but they need to pick a good candidate that he can campaign for. Harshvardhan maybe.

[RajeshA]

Shri Modi addressing Indian Merchants' Chamber Interactive Meeting in Mumbai on Mar 02, 2013

[fanne]

There is a poll on ABP done by Nielson few months ago that says
Bjp gets 30 % extra votes if modi announced pm candidate. BJp vote
In 28 urban areas is 32% but if Modi gets to be pm candidate
BjP vote % gets to 49%.
Google n be informed

[ramana]

.....
There are examples, below is a short list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkash_Singh_Badal

Also people looking to do the same.

TDP -- Chandrababu Naidu
Bihar -- lalu prasad yadav.

etc....

In any case, the above is contrived example, there have few cases where a party and a leader have been around for 10 years while being away from power, either the party or the leader, or both tend to pass away.

So I see no merit in trying to put that up as example, there are very very few comparison points with the given situation anyway.

Sanku, All the above are one person shows. These parties will collapse or go away with the absence of the leader. 'The leader is the party' in the above cases.

INC was also like that "India is Indira and Indira is India" but now its "INC is 2Gs and 2Gs are INC"

2Gs= Mother and Son Gandhis.

[Sanku]

^^^ Ramana Garu, I realized that when I made the list. I was only trying to show that political logic is not completely missing, if rare, I did also add a caveat that this is unique situation, very few matching candidates can be found and hence few counterexamples or supporting examples exist.

[Sanku]

There is a poll on ABP done by Nielson few months ago that says
Bjp gets 30 % extra votes if modi announced pm candidate. BJp vote
In 28 urban areas is 32% but if Modi gets to be pm candidate
BjP vote % gets to 49%.
Google n be informed

Fanne ji, I am missing it. Please help and point.

Txs

[Sanku]

BJP better get into some aggressive campaign mood in delhi. For once, BJP should throw the ball into sushma's court and ask her to prove that she is a mass leader (if she is) and announce her as CM nominee. .

For what it is worth, I think Sushma Swaraj should be asked to win Delhi. I have maintained it for a long time. I agree with you here.

[Sanku]

Congress is going to lose this election. For the first time I can feel it.

I hope you are right RoyG; but I am not so sure. Anyway, overconfidence has been the problem more than once.

[muraliravi]

^^^ Ramana Garu, I realized that when I made the list. I was only trying to show that political logic is not completely missing, if rare, I did also add a caveat that this is unique situation, very few matching candidates can be found and hence few counterexamples or supporting examples exist.

Sanku ji, the problem is that neither naidu nor lalu are anywhere close to winning their next electoral bids. Naidu has small chance, but still very far away and as Ramana ji mentioned those are one man parties, why do the same in BJP when we have other options.

[muraliravi]

BJP better get into some aggressive campaign mood in delhi. For once, BJP should throw the ball into sushma's court and ask her to prove that she is a mass leader (if she is) and announce her as CM nominee. .

For what it is worth, I think Sushma Swaraj should be asked to win Delhi. I have maintained it for a long time. I agree with you here.

Again, my intention is not to test Sushma Swaraj, there are other ways to do that and not risk an election. If surveys and ground feedback show that she is the best person for the BJP in delhi, then she should be asked to fight out, or else they should move on and find the best person to contest. Arvind Kejriwal needs a real lash, I am saying this not because congress is not in the fray, but I think if not for AAP, BJP is pre-destined to sweep this delhi election.

[Sanku]

^^^ Murali ji; just for a moment, for the sake of a thought experiment, think what it would mean if BJP won with Advani as projected face while NaMo moved in with all the real powers.

One shot, half the ammo of the enemy would be neutralized.
The message would go out that BJP is not solely dependent on NaMo to win.
NaMo could be strengthened and a lot of decisions passed off on Advani without affecting NaMo.

Of course, you may say without NaMo BJP may not win, but I suppose I am hoping for a little more. Personally I would be sad if it takes NaMo to win, NaMo is great, but any defeating congress should not be that hard.

[SwamyG]

And? The whole country is going through a change. They are beginning to return to their civilizational roots and rejecting this leftist/islamic/christian supremacy non sense which has been shoved down our throats. When this happens all their political systems go down the drain as well. Rajiv Malhotra, MR Venkatesh, Narendra Modi, S Gurumurthy, R Vaidyanathan, SN Balagangadhara, Arun Shourie etc are all doing what Shri Adi Shankaracharya did so long ago. They are going to schools, towns, cities, villages, etc and educating the people, debating the Abrahamics, and they are helping us rediscover what it means to come from the holy soil of subcontinent. Could we have imagined the effects websites like Niticentral, twitter, youtube, etc are having on us today?

While I have expressed my reservations against Rajiv (which are OT) ; he deserves great recognition and accolades for increasing the awareness. Using his recent video, I was able to inform myself and SHQ about Aveda products. Their website gives their heritage, but Rajiv brings out narration very well and how the mahanatha of desh in terms of recognition and economic benefits have been side stepped. S.N.Balagangadhara is another luminary who churns out original ideas. He has written a lot about de colonizing the mind, philosophy, religion etc. These two stand tall in the present days. Next in line would be people like Elst and Arun Shourie. Next in line would be some of the internet warriors like Kalavai Venkat, Kalayansundaram, Sandhya Jain, Rajeev Srinivasan etc. And the people in each level have their pros and cons; positive and negative attributes.

Where Modi excels is bringing different ideas (not necessarily from scratch) integrating them and giving the country and citizens a path for growth. There are several patterns in business. This blog discusses it within the IT industry. The blog actual rests its foundation on Michael Porter's ideas about business capabilities. http://leoshuster.blogspot.com/2013/04/ ... re+Blog%29

I do not want to call Modi a CEO, because CEOs operate mostly from a financial point of view the last few years, after all they are answerable to stake/share holders. I want to put him in the same category as Chandragupta; for he realizes the ideas from the contemporary gurus and packages them for the benefit of common peopole. However, he very often shows shades of Sankara and Chankaya too.

And the change that you are talking about had gathered steam in the early part of this century during the heydays of BJP and Indians learning to effectively manage the Internet to spread ideas. I would say, India/Hinduism lost steam just before the Economic crash. Like Ramana alludes, each time the economic crises happened, it took the steam out of several countries. Ramana has pointed out what becomes important is which country stands up back again. In Modi, we have a leader who inspires people, without victim-hood. One can motivate people by appealing to their fears or desires. He uses desires to motivate people. That is a big thing in my notebook. This sort of inspiration is healthy for the mind and the country.

I do not care about a city that can be 6 times that of Shangai or 4 times that of Delhi, but Modi has the capability to change the mindset of people. This is the most important thing, and very little is being said about it. But vested interests probably realize this and are worried - just my guess. INC is giving fish to people, Modi is teaching them not only to fish, but how to grow and farm fish. After all teaching someone to fish will only work until there are fish.

Modi is a game changer, because he can inspire millions and change minds. And his administrative work etc are just the needed factors to convince people. Modi is a meme that needs to affect more CMs of the country. Modi is a virus that needs to spread and destroy the atrophy set in desh (the ones that Rajiv and other speak about).

Will Modi be 100% successful, probably not. In the current situation, even if 5 CMs across India follow his model and ideas that is a great benefit to the people. Becoming PM is just icing on the cake.

[Sanku]

Again, my intention is not to test Sushma Swaraj, there are other ways to do that and not risk an election. If surveys and ground feedback show that she is the best person for the BJP in delhi, then she should be asked to fight out, or else they should move on and find the best person to contest. Arvind Kejriwal needs a real lash, I am saying this not because congress is not in the fray, but I think if not for AAP, BJP is pre-destined to sweep this delhi election.

I agree completely, I ask for Sushma as CM candidate, because I think she may be able to carry Delhi, my personal view though, purely gut feeling based.

[fanne]

Sanku Ji that info is already in this thread, few pages back

[Sushupti]

^^^ Murali ji; just for a moment, for the sake of a thought experiment, think what it would mean if BJP won with Advani as projected face while NaMo moved in with all the real powers.

One shot, half the ammo of the enemy would be neutralized.
The message would go out that BJP is not solely dependent on NaMo to win.
NaMo could be strengthened and a lot of decisions passed off on Advani without affecting NaMo.

Of course, you may say without NaMo BJP may not win, but I suppose I am hoping for a little more. Personally I would be sad if it takes NaMo to win, NaMo is great, but any defeating congress should not be that hard.

I think RSS has got its fingers burnt badly with this strategy. They projected ABV as "Mukhouta" while there blue eyed boy Loh purush was supposed to be the real power behind the throne. We all know what happened e.g. B Misra, dynasty getting revived and Ramchandra Paramhansa Das dyeing of heart attack.

[Sanku]

^^

Apart from you, 99% of BRFites and Indians would think that ABV was the best thing since fire. So if you compare it to the ABV/Advani strategy, I have already made my point successfully.

[Supratik]

sushma lost the CM-ship and did not try again. she is a political lightweight but good parliamentarian. as suggested there should be a survey to see who is most winnable instead of putting unwinnable people like malhotra.

[Sushupti]

Well, i don't see anybody(100% no on this board) accepting your proposition of Loh Purush as PM (even with bottle of beer for free). So this verbal "Tuqbandi" doesn't convince anybody.

[Abhijit]

http://www.narendramodi.in/liveevent/social/ ICM/AIBC speech

Folks, this is the most elevating, inspiring and grand speech of NaMo till date (at least among the speeches I have tuned in to). MUST watch. It brought tears of joy and emotion in my eyes. At least thrice. May god bless and protect NaMo ji and may he conquer the Delhi sultanate.

[Sanku]

Well, i don't see anybody(100% no on this board) accepting your proposition of Loh Purush as PM (even with bottle of beer for free). So this verbal "Tuqbandi" doesn't convince anybody.

It was you who compared ABV/Advani model to my suggestion of Advani/NaMo.

Why blame me if you dont like the meaning of your own statement.

BTW, you are (as always) wrong about the no one on the board looking at Advani as PM. Apart from me Shiv thinks its a reasonable idea, and I think Supratik did think its a possible move. So once again, disconnect between your views and reality.

[muraliravi]

^^^ Murali ji; just for a moment, for the sake of a thought experiment, think what it would mean if BJP won with Advani as projected face while NaMo moved in with all the real powers.

One shot, half the ammo of the enemy would be neutralized.
The message would go out that BJP is not solely dependent on NaMo to win.
NaMo could be strengthened and a lot of decisions passed off on Advani without affecting NaMo.

Of course, you may say without NaMo BJP may not win, but I suppose I am hoping for a little more. Personally I would be sad if it takes NaMo to win, NaMo is great, but any defeating congress should not be that hard.

I agree with your thought process, but sadly defeating congress is not that easy. The reason is very simple: BJP just does not have the spread that they have. BJP has bank on a sweep in a few key states to touch their magic figure. Thats the problem. There are a bunch of states in India where a congress loss means nothing to BJP. To make it simple

Kashmir (4), NE (10), Assam also BJP is practically at loss due to heavy infiltration (in 10/14 they are out of contest), Kerala (20), WB (42), AP(42), TN (39), Orissa (21). Thats 188, lets say they are in contest in 3 seats of these 188, that is 185. Then there are areas where at present they are in not such a good state: Haryana -10, UP -60/80 and so on.

So really if you look at the electoral map: BJP is in real contention only in about 270-290 seats. In that we have allies like SAD, SS, MNS, JD(U). So all your left with is about 230 real seats to contest. We need someone who can deliver a sweep at a success rate of about 75% to get us to 170. And also create a wave to potentially grab some seats from haryana, UP. Only then later allies like BJD, AiADMK will come on board. I am quite sure, BJP can make up for jd(u) loss if they decide to leave. They will make it up from bihar itself as per surveys, no need even to count namo wave effect in other places. BJP+jd(u)= 33 option 1, option 2 bjp alone 29, i will take option 2 anyday. Anyway coming back to the point, i dont think advani ji has the ability to create a wave for a 75% success rate in their core seats. Modi has that. Even tehelka reports that Karnataka may go to congress in assembly, but with modi in place, BJP will romp home in lok sabha. I am not saying that will happen, all i am saying is that he has a chance, whereas i believe that advani really does not have it in him. So really as u can see, with their limited base, it is not all that easy to take on congress.

If BJP had 100-150 more prospective seats to fight for, then i can understand ur logic. But they just dont have that luxury. I understand ur apprehension that u dont see definitive areas where modi will get bjp extra seats. Just wait for some more time. u will see more surveys like gvl's. As far his polling abilities, let me assure you that among all the survey guys in the market, he surely has highest success rates (barring 2009 LS and one other high profile election), he has done a pretty good job. And we can always compare his data to other surveys like I did.

[Supratik]

i don't think there is any problem with NM leading except in Bihar. don't want it to go the UP way. if they can convince they can do well in BH without JD(U) i don't see any advantage with advani.

[member_20317]

No Sanku ji,

you cannot cite shiv ji, he is not involved in the thread and cannot be said to have given informed consent. Also I have seen him say things like kongi == Sanghi etc. and probably thinks we are all Tuzti-khaas.

Supratik jii may have said something to the effect that it is possible but that does not imply that it is desirable.

So yes you are alone. But tell me seriously how do you manage to always end up as the 'Patron saint of lost causes'.

[Manish_Sharma]

Manish_Sharma, Name calling fellow members in the heat of the moment is unproductive and leads to Kalidasa moment (cutting the branch one is sitting on, IOW leads to warning). So dont repeat it.

Thanks, ramana

Sorry Ramana ji, will be careful from now onwards.

[Pranav]

Modi Nama 6 - http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1703

Very thorough take-down of Sanjiv Bhatt. The brazenness of the dude is frankly astounding.

[Sushupti]

Narendra Modi cements his ties with India Inc with Mumbai talk; high women & youth turn up

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 846804.cms

[krisna]

NaMo talked about pink revolution in Mangalore meet.

on twitter,

Sibal's wife owns an abattoir. Pink revolution hogs subsidies, transfers wealth to specific producers/consumers.

of course INC have said they will lift ban on cow slaughter.