Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

disha · Post by **disha** » 03 May 2013 07:17

Pranav wrote:Modi Nama 6 - http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1703

Very thorough take-down of Sanjiv Bhatt. The brazenness of the dude is frankly astounding.

The brazenness of Twista and idiocy of her supporters is even more astounding.

disha · Post by **disha** » 03 May 2013 07:23

What is happening with ET?

After Modi spoke, in an impromptu interaction Modi began interacting with the businesspeople. Traders began complaining to their leader that trade in metals and other commodities has been shut for 11 days.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 03 May 2013 07:34

Pranav wrote:Modi Nama 6 - http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1703

Very thorough take-down of Sanjiv Bhatt. The brazenness of the dude is frankly astounding.

It seems the courts are the main culprits in not allowing the system to take any action against rogue, anti-social bureaucrats.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 May 2013 08:05

Gujarat story can be repeated all over the country: Narendra Modi

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 847260.cms

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 May 2013 08:11

varunkumar wrote:
Pranav wrote:Modi Nama 6 - http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?articleId=1703

Very thorough take-down of Sanjiv Bhatt. The brazenness of the dude is frankly astounding.
It seems the courts are the main culprits in not allowing the system to take any action against rogue, anti-social bureaucrats.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 03 May 2013 08:18

NaMo Mumbai speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tWv10aRW9w

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 May 2013 08:26

Empty chairs at Sonia rally: Warning signal for her party -

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/empty ... K0ZvM.dpuf

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2013 08:37

2002 riots: Judge's transfer to delay proceedings on Zakia Jafri's plea - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 849474.cms

To what extent are the transfers susceptible to influence from the center?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2013 08:37

U.S. panel wanted to “push back strongly” on pro-Modi lobbies - http://www.thehindu.com/news/us-panel-w ... 677762.ece

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 May 2013 08:40

Pranav wrote:U.S. panel wanted to “push back strongly” on pro-Modi lobbies - http://www.thehindu.com/news/us-panel-w ... 677762.ece

This is so silly. If this panel has any brains they should deny visas to any and every congress leader, their children and pigs; for they failed to bring NM to justice.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 03 May 2013 09:30

RajeshA wrote:Shri Modi addressing Indian Merchants' Chamber Interactive Meeting in Mumbai on Mar 02, 2013

Amazing speech. As usual I learned something new. The way he inspires India is unparalleled. Check out the new city Mr. Modi is building in Gujarat. Simply AMAZING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQZ51hf1bs

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 03 May 2013 09:35

ravi_g wrote:No Sanku ji,

you cannot cite shiv ji, he is not involved in the thread and cannot be said to have given informed consent.

Umm ravi_g there are more than one thread on this topic, you can check back on his stand. I only quote facts.

Also I have seen him say things like kongi == Sanghi etc. and probably thinks we are all Tuzti-khaas.

That he does, but my point still stands

So yes you are alone. But tell me seriously how do you manage to always end up as the 'Patron saint of lost causes'.

Comes with the territory of being ahead of the curve ji.

You can not both be ahead and yet with everybody.

The good part is, a analysis based not on a emotional wave, but cold data calculation is better in terms of understanding the world.

While we are it, when BRF was still

that Modi is sunk, I expressed the view that Modi will come out of the mess post SIT report, when folks were

that BJP will never project Modi, I was of the view that Modi will be projected as and when the SIT shackles + Gujarat elections are over.

All that has come true. I am sure people would not like to admit that they were wrong, but hey that is ok, I am not interested in credit, merely in making sure that cold hard nosed understanding is as much a part of the discussion as emotion based ones are.

And yes, I see a good chance that Advani may be PM in interest of coalition making and other reasons (which I mentioned). I also think it would be a good thing.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 May 2013 10:07

Look at the proportion of coverage given to the two news items.
http://epaper.indianexpress.com/c/1046773

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 May 2013 12:46

In Salman Khurshid's book

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 03 May 2013 13:04

Neela,

What is the book you have shown? Sons of Babur.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 03 May 2013 13:10

http://books.google.com/books?ei=_-M_Ua ... rch_anchor

Salman Khurshid MEA book At home in India: a restatement of Indian Muslims

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 03 May 2013 13:17

http://www.thehindu.com/news/us-panel-wanted-to-push-back-strongly-on-promodi-lobbies/article4677762.ece

chindu instigative reporting

Says its recent actions were designed to "push back strongly" on any movement toward softening the U.S. stance on this issue
After a U.S. panel monitoring violations of religious freedom abroad urged the State Department to not reconsider its 2005 decision to deny a visitor visa to Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat, its Chairperson has said that its recent actions were designed to “push back strongly” on any movement toward softening the U.S. stance on this issue.

In a phone conversation with The Hindu, Katrina Lantos Swett said that the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom’s (USCIRF)concern about the Modi case arose from its view that a “climate of impunity” was fuelled by the “failure of the Indian government to move with appropriate speed to closure on prosecuting those implicated” in cases of religious violence.
In its annual report, the USCIRF had noted that Mr. Modi should be “inadmissible to the U.S.” due to “severe violations of religious freedom,” a reference to his presiding over Gujarat in 2002, when riots claimed the lives of a thousand people or more, many Muslim.

Speaking to media earlier, Ms. Swett had said that there was “significant evidence linking him to the violence and the terrible events that took place in Gujarat and for this reason, a visa would not be appropriate.”
Ms. Swett further told The Hindu that the Commission was aware that the U.K. and Sweden have “softened their previously stronger stances on engaging with Mr. Modi,” and that some persons or groups in the U.S. were lobbying for a similar softening.

Arguing that the USCIRF saw it fit to “push back strongly on that,” Ms. Swett suggested that the U.S. should not be seen as being “all too willing to set aside human rights concern in pursuit of economic interests.”
In terms of the specific concerns regarding Mr. Modi’s alleged responsibility for the Gujarat violence, Ms. Swett indicated that the Commission had taken note of the affidavit filed by Sanjiv Bhatt, and particularly made note of his claim there that Mr. Modi had asked police officials to allow Hindus to vent their anger against Muslims in the wake of the Godhra incident.
She also said that the USCIRF had factored in the February 2012 Gujarat High Court ruling that said that “inadequacy, inaction and negligence” by the State government had led to the destruction of religious structures across the State and ordered compensation for more than 500 structures.

Further concerns about Mr. Modi’s alleged complicity were raised by the guilty verdict and the 28-year sentence handed out to Maya Kodnani in the context of the Narodya Patiya massacre near Ahmedabad, Ms. Swett said, referencing the involvement of the political leadership in Gujarat that this verdict implied.

In its annual report, the USCIRF reiterated this view, saying, “It was widely reported in the media that many in the Muslim community believe [Kodnani] was the ‘fall guy’ for Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat at the time of the riots.”
While she confirmed that on November 14, 2012 the USCIRF wrote to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton requesting that the “possible U.S. visa application by Narendra Modi... be denied until there is full transparency into the violence in 2002,” Ms. Swett did not rule out repeating that advice to the present Secretary, John Kerry, should that be appropriate.

Underscoring the panel’s perception of “complicity by state government officials,” Ms. Swett said, “There is certainly a lot of troubling evidence, of sins of omission if not commission.”

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 03 May 2013 13:27

^^^ Why don't they shove their visa up their backsides? Is Modi begging for it?

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 03 May 2013 14:07

^Their way of giving themselves legitimacy. When Mr. Modi becomes PM, some state department bureaucrat is going to pay dearly for this nonsense. Let us sit back and enjoy the show until that happens. There will be no bigger embarrassment for the US than having a visa ban on the PM of the biggest democracy on Earth, while they have rubbed shoulders with tyrants and despots and even terrorists on their own soil. Their moral standing is already on shaky grounds these days, this will be one of the biggest blows yet. Sometimes, I derive great entertainment from the slow process of USA becoming the laughing stock of the world.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 03 May 2013 14:57

Neela wrote:In Salman Khurshid's book

Neela ji, I wrote about this book to Smt. Meenakshi Lekhi, she promptly replied and asked me about more details, now CRmS ji says he heard her raising this issue on Times Now channel.

Abhischek ji the book is : "At Home In India: A restatement of Indian Muslims"

http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2013/02/h ... -sins.html

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 May 2013 15:03

I wish to see Hillory Clinton comming to India to beg Modi to visit US and denied appointment with Modi. No one is eagar to go to US here. least of all Modi. He is not going to apply for any Visa for any nation. He knows Islamic and leftist S**t heads will organize big protests and that will the main news in Indian Media.

One good thing of all this Visa issue. We may have a PM is least interested to visit US, UK and other nations and not even interested to attend UN general Assemble. He may be more keen on BRICS, Japan, South Korea and other so called 3rd world nations.

Guruji - how you wrote to Mrs Lekhi - you have her email id? If yes Can you share please.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 03 May 2013 15:40

Manish ji, can you post your email & her response here if its alright?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 03 May 2013 16:27

Neela wrote:In Salman Khurshid's book

Neela ji, can you post a snapshot of the full page?

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 03 May 2013 16:39

mediacrooks has tweeted the above snapshot. Speed of internet.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 03 May 2013 16:42

Rudradev wrote:Lets take a closer look at the cunt in question:

http://www.uscirf.gov/index.php?option= ... r&catid=33

Real "human rights" busybody this Katrina Lantos Swett. A Jew to boot, maybe a fake one like her friend Martha Nussbaum who cashes in on "holocaust victimhood" to advance a lily white Judeo-Christian Supremacist agenda.

Notably, Lantos Swett's father, Congressman Tom Lantos, opposed ending nuclear sanctions on India alleging we were a "proliferation risk" because we were "too close to Iran" (this was after the AQ Khan fuges had been discovered in Iran, mind you.)

A very important fact is that she (and her father) are Hungarian-Americans. Brezenski, Anatol Levin, Albright etc. are also of Eastern European origin. Such people seem to be knee-jerk anti-Russian, and as a consequence anti-Indian, because in their warped minds, India 'supported' Soviet Russia during the Cold War. Their bias is hilarious, because their supporters of Indian origin in the USA are hard-core leftists, by and large.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 03 May 2013 16:52

^Left or right, in the end ALL seems to be against India/Hindus. Call it fate or whatever, we are absolutely alone in this world. So, there is no option but to be stronger than anyone else on this planet.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 May 2013 18:03

Become wealthy and powerful nation first and all these beggers come to us. Otherwise we have to hear all this. By the way why should we give a damn what some US w****e thinks of Modi or any other Indian. Let them show their own stupidity. Is US state department thinks it can insult a person who may be Indian Prime Minister in a year then it is their funaral.

In International arena it is the Economic, statigic and Militory power that counts. As long as we do not have it we will be seeing everyone even Maldives can challenge us. Fortunately Modi may not be keen to go to US or have good relations with US at personal level because of this insults which will be good for India as we need to stop our fixation with US and start looking to other nations like BRICS Japan, Korea, in Africa, South America etc. Let US rot.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 03 May 2013 19:13

the problem is, too many of us have internalised this idea that khan is great and a just arbiter. There really should be no reason to take our fights to khan. NM camp has handled this good so far, not reacting to this and letting time deal with it.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 03 May 2013 19:46

Infact NM looks cool handling this visa nonsense without batting an eyelid, no sign of any vengeance etc, while American groups are all over the place making statements that get rubbished with time.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 03 May 2013 19:56

Abhijit wrote:http://www.narendramodi.in/liveevent/social/ ICM/AIBC speech

Folks, this is the most elevating, inspiring and grand speech of NaMo till date (at least among the speeches I have tuned in to). MUST watch. It brought tears of joy and emotion in my eyes. At least thrice. May god bless and protect NaMo ji and may he conquer the Delhi sultanate.

The link you gave doesn't work -- which speech was this?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 03 May 2013 20:03

Haji Bilal, the mastermind of Godhraa train pilgrim burning conspiracy, is ignored however which is very alarming.

Such 'international' propaganda material should be linked to Haji Bilal which is exactly appropriate for USA propaganda reports and used as toilet paper.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 03 May 2013 20:10

Chandragupta wrote:Manish ji, can you post your email & her response here if its alright?

First you can contact her here:
http://meenakshilekhi.com/contact.html

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 03 May 2013 20:29

^^ Not sure if posting the above exchange is a good idea. Meenakshi is a public figure representing the BJP in many debates and such information MAY land up being used against her.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 03 May 2013 20:35

varunkumar wrote:
Abhijit wrote:http://www.narendramodi.in/liveevent/social/ ICM/AIBC speech

Folks, this is the most elevating, inspiring and grand speech of NaMo till date (at least among the speeches I have tuned in to). MUST watch. It brought tears of joy and emotion in my eyes. At least thrice. May god bless and protect NaMo ji and may he conquer the Delhi sultanate.
The link you gave doesn't work -- which speech was this?

This was the Mumbai speecch of yesterday - Indian merchants chamber
another link is below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tWv10aRW9w

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 03 May 2013 20:37

Arjun wrote:^^ Not sure if posting the above exchange is a good idea. Meenakshi is a public figure representing the BJP in many debates and such information MAY land up being used against her.

Oh stupid me, have deleted that part.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 03 May 2013 20:43

manish sharma ji, not just in BRF but in life as a whole, please stick to the dictum that
'no material from any paki forum shall be ever used as a reference or a link'. The only value of a paki forum is that of a momentary entertainment watching them squirm when they throw towels.
just a humble advice.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 04 May 2013 02:28

This is what I am talking about....

The BJP is not doing well in Karnataka is an old story. Now, it may still gathers its wits and build on Modi factor in next 48 hours. The official campaign ends tonight but informal meetings and canvassing take place till the polling closes on May 5.

For Modi, Karnataka stain is not an issue. He has raised the morale of the BJP in Karnataka and that is what national leaders do. They do not just give speeches, they change the focus and the outlook of an issue or campaign. Modi seems have achieved a fair amount of both, and this will hold good for the general elections.

Perhaps, it could be daring but all the same politically correct message, that BJP candidate Nirmal Surana has displayed Modi poster in his Muslim-dominated Shivajinagar constituency. It shows that Modi has broken the artificial barrier built by opposition parties and the vested interests, and is now a mass leader, who has an impressive CV and an icon of development.

Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/2013/05/03/two- ... 08354.html

I think the presence of Modi has converted Karnataka election as a referendum on national politics. That is what he single-handedly accomplished.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 May 2013 03:10

SwamyG wrote:I think the presence of Modi has converted Karnataka election as a referendum on national politics. That is what he single-handed accomplished.

No I don't think one can say that. One can only say that he tried to convert into a referendum on national politics.

If Congress along with some other party(or parties) forms the next government in Karnataka, it would be wrong to present then this election as a referendum on national issues.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2013 03:20

SwamyG is right. If congress doesn't get a majority to form govt on its own then it could be seen as a national referendum.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 May 2013 03:21

ramana wrote:SwamyG is right. If congress doesn't get a majority to form govt on its own then it could be seen as a national referendum.