
source: isro facebook page
There is a picture of the turbo pump in the page.prashanth wrote:MTAR provides critical components for Nuclear reactors, aerospace, oil and gas etc. Glad to know that an Indian pvt company is actively involved in developing hi-tech components. They even manufacture turbo-pump for cryo engines!
http://www.mtar.in/businessSegments/isro.php
BTW, thanks for posting the news, bharats.
Nick_S wrote:Thanks Bharats & KrishC.
Hope to see model of the manned capsule as well.
The Mars mission, India's first ever to a distant planet was announced by our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh during India's 66th Independence Day celebrations. This was to be a considerable challenge to our burgeoning space program considering the fact that even countries with established space programs such as the Russia Federation have found it difficult to achieve much success when it comes to the red planet.
But ISRO on the other hand has things going right for them on the deep space exploration side of the things. Buoyed by the success of Chandrayaan 1 and the impeding launch of Chandrayaan 2 missions to our moon, the scientists at ISRO are confident of achieving yet another feat with Mars mission.
The mission itself has always been short of details except for the occasional new reports saying that the orbiter is on schedule for a 2014 launch. Every piece of information that can be found on this mission is indeed valuable. There are certain titbits from mission that we would like to share.
•The Mars orbiter will be placed in an elliptical orbit of around 500 X 80,000 km around the red planet. It is much more difficult to put an orbiter into a circular orbit. A circular orbit requirement would require a significant increase in the fuel carried by the orbiter and hence its weight. It would also make the procedure of achieving the required orbit much more complex. The orbiter would first be inserted into an elliptical orbit. Then through a series of burns the apoapsis would need to be reduced to achieve a circular orbit. An elliptical orbit on the other hand reduces the complexity but doesn't make it any more easier to achieve.
•The orbiter will be launch by the PSLV-XL, the same version which launched the Chandrayaan 1. ISRO understandably wants to go with the proven workhorse as opposed to the GSLV even if it means much stringent weight limitations of the orbiter. This might also be one of the reasons for choosing an elliptical orbit as a circular orbit means more fuel which in tuen means more weight. The PSLV should be capable of sending a ~200 kg orbiter to the Martian orbit.
•The orbiter would need around 300 days to reach Mars and is supposed be launched during Ocotober-November 2013. The launch window is very important since missions to Mars can be launched when Earth and Mars are relatively close to each other. This window occurs only once every 26 months. So, miss this window and the mission will have to wait for another 2 years.
•The orbiter is supposed to carry very few instruments, considering the weight limitations and all the instruments are planned to be Indian. The goal of the mission to establish the capability to send orbiters to Mars, so if this mission is successful much bigger missions may follow.
There are a lot of challenges in this mission. Some more intimidating than others but all of which have to be overcome for success. Some of the significant challenges as mentioned by ISRO are
•The spacecraft needs shielding from the radiation in the Van Allen belt and also the deep space radiation. The spacecraft will have a significant and prolonged exposure to radiation so it needs augmented radiation shielding.
•There is a communication delay of ~20 mins between Earth and Mars. This is due to enormous distance that varies between 55-385 million kms between the two bodies. Compare this with the 2 second communication delay between the Earth and the Moon which are separated by 384,000 kms.
•The propulsion system of the spacecraft needs to be robust and reliable. The spacecraft propulsion system will remain dormant for almost 300 days when the spacecraft is travelling from Earth to Mars. Then once it is close to Mars, the propulsion system has to work exactly as it should to insert the spacecraft into orbit around Mars.
•The most challenging phase is certainly inserting the spacecraft into orbit around Mars. The room for error in this phase is minimal and could result in the spacecraft being lost in the depths of space. This critical event will ensure whether the mission is a success.
ISRO has a daunting task ahead of it to ensure that this mission goes as planned given such a large number of variables involved. There are scientists who are working day and night to ensure just that. So, wishing success for ISRO with this challenging mission that is set to boost India's image in the world to new heights.
There is no open source information to show that ISRO is considering 4 booster version of GSLV Mark-3 .KrishC wrote:@vic
Two more strap ons can be attached to GSLV mk-3 to increase GTO payload from 4.5 ton to 5 ton. ISRO will be unable to launch 6-7 ton com sats until ULV rocket comes online sometime in the next decade. ULV is speculated to have a GTO capability of 10-16 tons and LEO capability of 25-40 tons.
Are you seriously suggesting that two more S 200 booster we have 5 tonne GTO capability, implying 1000 tonne rocket for 5 tonne GTO payloadKrishC wrote:Two more strap ons can be attached to GSLV mk-3 to increase GTO payload from 4.5 ton to 5 ton.
You have no clue to what you are saying. The power of the boosters are more than the first stage itself. At 5500 KN it is one of the most powerful boosters in the world. I don't know if it is technically possible to add 4 boosters, but if they do then it will not be a increase of 500 kg to GTO, but more like a 1.5 to 2 ton increase to GTO, provided the second stage is able to handle that extra weight ( the cryogenic engine might need an upgrade in such a scenario ).KrishC wrote:@vic
Two more strap ons can be attached to GSLV mk-3 to increase GTO payload from 4.5 ton to 5 ton. ISRO will be unable to launch 6-7 ton com sats until ULV rocket comes online sometime in the next decade. ULV is speculated to have a GTO capability of 10-16 tons and LEO capability of 25-40 tons.
Yes you are right there isnt any official information about a 4 booster version of gslv-3. I said in my post that they "can" add two more boosters not that they "will", i was merely making a suggestion not stating a fact.vic wrote:There is no open source information to show that ISRO is considering 4 booster version of GSLV Mark-3 .KrishC wrote:@vic
Two more strap ons can be attached to GSLV mk-3 to increase GTO payload from 4.5 ton to 5 ton. ISRO will be unable to launch 6-7 ton com sats until ULV rocket comes online sometime in the next decade. ULV is speculated to have a GTO capability of 10-16 tons and LEO capability of 25-40 tons.
Actually the power of the S-200 boosters is 5151kn not 5500kn source:http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/conten ... EST-01.pdf . And 5151 kn is the peak thrust during the first few seconds of flight, after this as with all solid fuelled boosters the power decreases substantiality. If thrust stayed at 5151kn for the whole flight then gslv-3 would be able to put at least 15 tons in LEO.However this is not the case as average thrust is between 2500kn and 3750 kn during flight. This is the reason why liquid fuels are preferred over solid ones, the L-110 core of gslv-3 produces 1600kn thrust and will not decrease with time because it is liquid fueled. As for lift capability i don't think a 2 ton GTO gain is possible because the upper stage only produces a very modest 200kn. And yes i did get my idea from Arunsohamn wrote:You have no clue to what you are saying. The power of the boosters are more than the first stage itself. At 5500 KN it is one of the most powerful boosters in the world. I don't know if it is technically possible to add 4 boosters, but if they do then it will not be a increase of 500 kg to GTO, but more like a 1.5 to 2 ton increase to GTO, provided the second stage is able to handle that extra weight ( the cryogenic engine might need an upgrade in such a scenario ).KrishC wrote:@vic
Two more strap ons can be attached to GSLV mk-3 to increase GTO payload from 4.5 ton to 5 ton. ISRO will be unable to launch 6-7 ton com sats until ULV rocket comes online sometime in the next decade. ULV is speculated to have a GTO capability of 10-16 tons and LEO capability of 25-40 tons.
I think I know where you got the idea from, A long long long time ago...there was a person known as Arun who was a webmaster in BR space page. He speculated this idea that you may be able to add 4 boosters to GSLV MK4 and make it a heavy launch vehicle. But that was mere speculation and there is no evidence that ISRO has thought or planned such a vehicle.
(2S 138 + SC160 + C25) = 560 TonneKrishC wrote:ULV rocket family possible variants by space blogger antriksh:
India's space agency is planning to have a total of five rocket launches in 2013 from its rocket launch pad at Sriharikota in Andhra Pradesh, around 80 km from Chennai. This will include a mission to Mars later this year.
Four of the launches are expected to happen between June and December, including the launch of communication satellite G-Sat 14 using heavier rocket - Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV)- powered with a domestic cryogenic engine.
"Between June 10 and 15 we are planning to launch the first navigational satellite, Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System-R1A (IRNSS-R1A) and it will be followed by the launch of G-Sat 14 some time in July," a senior official at Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) told said, preferring anonymity.
According to officials, the assembling of two rockets is going on at a good pace at the rocket launch centre. The Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle-XL (PSLV-XL) version that will carry the navigation satellite is being assembled at the first launch pad.
"The assembling of the first stage/engine and the strap on motors has been completed. The second stage is under preparation. The satellite is expected soon from the satellite centre in Bangalore," officials said.
The IRNSS-R1A satellite will be the first of seven satellites to be launched into earth orbit to provide real-time position, navigation and time services to multiple users. The space agency plans to launch the second navigation satellite three months after in-orbit tests of the first one and the remaining five satellites over a 14-month period by 2014-15.
These two launches will be followed by the mission to Mars later this year. The launch of one more remote sensing satellite is also being planned before the end of this year.
In February this year India launched the Indo-French Saral satellite and six other small foreign satellites using the PSLV rocket.
India started putting into space third-party satellites for a fee in 1999 on its PSLV-C2 rocket. Since then India has been successful in launching medium-weight satellites for overseas agencies. Initially ISRO started carrying third-party satellites atop PSLV rockets as co-passengers of its own remote sensing/earth observation satellites.
In 2007 ISRO for the first time launched an Italian satellite- Agile- as a standalone for a fee.
India has earned a revenue of $17.17 million and euro 32.28 million by launching 35 foreign satellites till date, Parliament was told recently by V. Narayanasamy, Minister of State in the Prime Minister's Office.
"Some customers paid in dollars and some in euros and hence we are giving it separately," an ISRO official said.
KOCHI: India has launched an ambitious programme to use its array of geo-stationary satellites (G-sats) to monitor missile activities in an area of 6,000 km. With this, the country's constellation of G-sats will become the first line of defence in its anti-missile shield. This programme is independent of the observation grid installed by defence and intelligence agencies. The advantage of using geo-stationary satellites is their fixed position at a height of 36,000 km and synchronised with the earth's movement.
Allaying fears that this deployment could compromise India's space policy, sources clarified that it is not meant as an offensive posture and data won't be shared with any other country. "We're using these satellites to warn us of an impending danger even as they continue with their primary tasks of transmission and meteorological observations," sources said.
A top source told TOI that special lens and processing electronics are being developed to significantly improve the power of G-sat cameras and telescope. "The Centre has given ISRO the go-ahead. The programme is into a crucial development phase,'' he said.
The project is aimed at installing sensitive surveillance equipment along with other payload on the G-sats. "They will capture the signature of any missile launch activities happening in a radius of 6,000 km.This signature will be transmitted to a central control unit which would initiate necessary counter-mechanism," sources said.
The Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing the interceptor missile which has entered trial phase. "Given their strategic position, we can even have exclusive facility to monitor a country or a particular region. Given the G-sat's capability to map anything to a resolution of one metre, we will be able to capture the slightest of movements or even heat signatures,'' sources said.
How different will the Mars mission be from Chandrayaan-I?
On Monday, Jean-Yves Le Gall made a quick, quiet official trip to ISRO’s Bangalore headquarters just about a month after taking charge as president of France’s space agency CNES (Centre National d’Études Spatiales / National Centre for Space Studies.) Created in 1961, CNES, which is the fount of French and European space activities, has also given what is today the world’s leading commercial launch service vehicle, Ariane, among other technologies. In this short interaction ahead of his meeting with his ISRO counterpart, Mr. Le Gall, who has a place in the Space Hall of Fame, stresses the importance of an enduring Indian space connection .
What is this visit about?
As you know, I moved from [European launch services company] Arianespace to CNES last month. India is the one of the most important countries of cooperation for France. It is also the right time because last February when President Hollande visited India a letter of intent was signed between CNES and ISRO to define what could be the cooperation after the successes of [their joint weather satellite missions] Megha-Tropiques and SARAL-AltiKa, which were [respectively] launched by the PSLV two years ago and in February.
We have plenty of things to do together and this is why I decided to pay one of my first official visits to ISRO and meet [its Chairman] Dr. Radhakrishnan.
‘Plenty of things’ would include more joint satellites missions such as Megha Tropiques and SARAL-AltiKa?
These are exactly what we have to decide. The strong scientific cooperation between CNES and ISRO led to many projects, [in particular] two most important ones during the last two years — Megha-Tropiques and SARAL-Altika. At the same time, we have been launching a lot of satellites for ISRO from French Guiana.
We have now extended the cooperation. The letter of intent signed in February puts a new basis for cooperation.
Today is the first meeting. The discussions with Dr. Radhakrishnan [later in the day] will define a new format for our cooperation. I can already say we are going to focus on research and technology, an important area. The next one will be probably in the end of October when we organise the annual meeting of CNES and ISRO. I will probably come back here.
How significant is the ISRO-CNES cooperation today and how do you visualise its future?
Megha-Tropiques and SARAL-AltiKa have been very interesting projects, [so much so] that NASA wanted to join us. The data gathered by Megha-Tropiques are creating a real threshold in this science.
Now we have to decide what would be the building blocks of the next steps of our cooperation and what we are going to do together.
In my opinion this cooperation is within the framework of the [larger] cooperation between France and India with its several different pillars such as defence, nuclear energy and space.
So successful in space [ties] are we that we have to now continue this strong link in inventing new areas of cooperation.
When Megha-Tropiques or SARAL-AltiKa completes its life do you foresee its getting replenished with their follow-on satellites? Would NASA have a role in it later?
For both, we will [have to] see. Megha-Tropiques provided a lot of data. Today what is at stake is whether to use the existing data or acquire new data. Our scientists took the decision to elaborate France’s data.
We [may have] created interest in it for NASA but we are very interested in keeping this unique link between France and India in this business.
There is also talk of ISRO launching France’s earth observation satellite SPOT-7, the way it did SPOT-6 last year.
This is another aspect of our cooperation. Yes, a few months ago SPOT-6 was launched by ISRO. In the coming months, is our project to launch SPOT-7.
We are launching some satellites for ISRO just as it is launching some for France. Two [Indian] satellites will be launched from the Guiana Space Centre in July and August — INSAT-3D and GSAT-7.
At CNES what innovations are you looking at in terms of low-cost access to space — which is a common concern of space agencies — and technologies related to spacecraft?
I think low-cost is the new frontier of space technology. Until now most of our projects were technology driven. There is clamour worldwide in favour of projects which are cost driven. This is why France started to think about the next generation of Ariane launch vehicles [to address this need].
We are now working on the next launch vehicle, the Ariane 6. The first flight is slated for 2020. This launcher will be defined as a low-cost approach whereas Ariane 5 is defined as technology driven.
Ariane 6 will be smaller than Ariane 5 and will launch six-tonne payloads to the GTO [geostationary transfer orbit] — which is about half of Ariane-5’s capability.
We hope the price tag will be less than half of Ariane 5. We plan to decrease launch price by 20 to 50 per cent compared to current launch prices.
On the satellite side, in Europe (European space agencies) and France we are investing a lot in electrical propulsion in order to have three communication satellites which will be smaller, less expensive to launch and with better performance. The programme is called NEOSAT. The huge R&D programme was decided at the gathering of European Ministers which took place in Naples last November.
Today countries are also concerned about anti-satellite technologies. What is being done at CNES to counter such threats?
This relates to defence and I am not familiar with it nor can I comment.
In India are you also looking at forging linkages that go beyond ISRO?
No. Our present and past in India is ISRO. We have excellent friendship with ISRO and will continue it. For CNES the partner is ISRO. I can tell you we are impressed by the achievements of Dr. Radhakrishnan as the head of ISRO.
Here is the answer. It is for IRNSS.Varoon Shekhar wrote: What would this new navigation centre be for, the IRNSS-1, or the Mars mission? Being inaugurated tomorrow.
The brand new ISRO Navigation Centre (INC) at the Indian Deep Space Network will be the nerve centre of the country’s forthcoming navigational satellite constellation, ISRO Chairman K. Radhakrishnan said after the centre was opened on Tuesday.
Located at ISRO’s saucer-like Byalalu sprawl some 40 km from Bangalore, the centre was ceremonially launched by Union Minister of State in the Prime Minister’s Office V. Narayanasamy
“The centre will come alive in time to handle the country’s first regional navigational satellite, R1A, gets launched at midnight on June 12,” Dr. Radhakrishnan said. The satellite will be launched on the PSLV vehicle from Sriharikota.
6 more spacecraft
Six more navigational spacecraft (named R1B, R1C and so on) will follow in the next three years to form the IRNSS constellation, which is termed India’s own regional GPS. These satellites will give data on the position, navigation and time of persons or objects to a range of users.
INC houses a high stability atomic clock to keep precise time and reference, pool and synthesise navigational messages and coordinate 21 ground stations across the country. The navigation fleet in space will give positional accuracy of within 10 metres. Its users will be from aerospace, military, all transport systems, geo information of the Survey of India and to an extent for personal mobility.
Avinash Chander, DRDO’s Chief Controller R&D (missiles & strategic systems) and Vice-President of the event co-host, the Astronautical Society of India (ASI), said the country was proud of the regional navigation system, IRNSS, which had been put together in seven years.
While space-based navigation, along with communication, satellite imageries and information have become vital to the military, “we are looking for many more things to happen in the aerospace community [in] missiles, defence and others. We also have challenges ahead of us, [such as] widening the frequency bands, high-resolution sensors, intelligence gathering and protecting our space assets,” he said.
The Byalalu campus has large antennas of 32-metre and 18-m diameter to track planetary projects such as the Mars and the lunar missions.
The Mars orbiter mission will take off in October or early November so as to leave Earth’s atmosphere by November 27, Dr. Radhakrishnan said.
ASI awards
The Minister also presented annual awards of the 1,400-member ASI to 29 scientists. The ASI includes space, aviation and military scientists.
DRDO Director General V.K.Saraswat and space propulsion veteran A.E.Muthunayagam were conferred the Aryabhatta lifetime awards for 2011 and 2010.
How will man tackle quakes when he colonises moon in the not-so-distant future? India will be joining some nations in the quest for a better understanding of moonquakes as plans are afoot to send a seismometer on board the landing instrument of Chandrayaan-2 scheduled to be launched in 2014/15.
Sensors of the seismometer built by Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) are now undergoing calibration at the CSIR-National Geophysical Research Institute (NGRI) here. [Hyderabad] The first phase of calibration is over and the second phase will start soon, according to seismologist D. Srinagesh, who will be studying the seismic aspects of moonquakes along with his team at NGRI. He told The Hindu that the largest moonquake ever recorded was 5.5 magnitude by the seismometers deployed on the moon’s surface during Apollo missions in late 1960s and 70s.
4 types of such quakes
Dr. Srinagesh said basically there were four types of moonquakes: deep moonquakes that occur up to 700 km below the surface of the moon and probably caused by tides, vibrations from the impact of meteorites, thermal quakes caused by expansion of the frigid crust of the moon and shallow quakes up to 20-30 km and as many as 28 were recorded between 1972 and 1977.
Dr. Srinagesh said earlier studies found that the first three types were generally harmless. Under the ISRO-NGRI collaborative project, it was intended to characterise moonquakes in terms of their magnitude and depth. One of the focus areas would be to study the causes of shallow quakes and the regions of their occurrence. This was needed because the seismometers deployed during Apollo missions were located in a small region, mostly the front side of the moon.
Pointing out that there was significant difference between moonquakes and earthquakes, he said the energy produced through the former would last longer due to the underlying structure of the moon.
The aim of the study was to help in designing structures with flexible materials to withstand moonquakes. For instance, anything above five magnitude earthquake could cause cracks in plaster and move furniture in a building.
Although one seismometer was being planned to be deployed, there was a possibility for a second instrument, he added.