Boston Bombing Followup Thread

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 May 2013 21:30

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 02 May 2013 23:09

BTW what did these brothers use to blast the pressure cookers. none of the news items tell whether they used RDX or some thing else and how did they procure that?

saip · Post by **saip** » 02 May 2013 23:41

ramana wrote:
saip wrote:In 2007 Katherine was arrested for shop lifting and her mother in law was arrested for shop lifting in 2011. Very strange. So who converted whom?

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Charges were dismissed after paying fine and community service so there is no conviction. Please take that into account.
The judge should have been asked to expunge the record.

Inspite of what the reporter said if she paid a fine, I believe, it is considered a conviction. This is not a civil case. Shoplifting is considered a 'crime of moral turpitude'. Considering that she was a major at the time of conviction I don't see the reason why the judge should have expunged the conviction.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 May 2013 03:39

Body of dead Marathon bombing suspect is released
.. to the family ...Now official caused of death will be made public..

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 May 2013 05:40

bombing suspects initially planned July 4th attack

...told federal investigators that he and his brother initially planned to detonate explosives at Boston’s vaunted July 4th celebration on the Charles River Esplanade, according to two officials briefed on the interrogation.

When the brothers built the bombs faster than they had anticipated, they then drove around Boston and Cambridge sometime before Marathon day, casing police stations, with an alternative plan to launch an attack on law enforcement officers, one of the officials said.

“They surveyed these police stations, multiple stations in Boston and one in Cambridge,” said the official, who talked on the condition of anonymity.

“They built the bombs so fast that they decided to move the whole plan up,” the official said.

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Also they do have the DT's computer.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 May 2013 06:20

every time i get to see the deceased tamerlan guy, it somehow reminds me of paki origin face cut and looks - typical wazirstan types.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 03 May 2013 06:25

rajsunder wrote:BTW what did these brothers use to blast the pressure cookers. none of the news items tell whether they used RDX or some thing else and how did they procure that?

Black powder, obtained from powerful fire-crackers that they bought in February from a shop in the next state. The investigators know which shop because the elder one had to show his drivers license when purchasing the fireworks, which was in the shop's records. On top of that, the clerk on duty remembered him because he didn't ask about the type of firework, but rather how much powder was contained in it.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 03 May 2013 07:02

ArmenT wrote:... but rather how much powder was contained in it.

or rather "what is the most powerful?"

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 May 2013 20:16

One aspect about the role of the three who got rid of black bag etc.. was brought out by Rudy Giuliani (who was a federal prosecutor) and others..

The charges against these, at present are destroying evidence, obstructing justice etc..but as many have pointed out, all of this was after the bombing. The charges, at present carry maximum sentence of 5-8 yrs. They claim that they did not know about the bombing and did not help in actual plot etc..

But as Rudy Giuliani pointed out, they did it hours BEFORE MIT officer was killed (+ another wounded + Kidnapping) and hence valid case can be made for conspiracy and obstruction of justice (which resulted into a serious crime). There action (+ non action of not informing the police while it is reasonable to assume that T brothers will do more harm, and aid in their fleeing etc) may easily justify to bring more serious charges against them. ...I have heard the same coming out now from Watertown police ...saying that those three were responsible for this. MIT security guard may still have been alive if those students did what any decent person should have done, instead of helping the bomber.

(Ditto fro Katherine Russell - looks like she too spoke with TT after the photo's were released)
(Even if criminal charges may not come against her - or even her parents - civil suit from the MIT police officer's family, and other victims is certain to follow....All those who knew, and chose not to inform the police did something extremely wrong.)

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 May 2013 20:25

matrimc wrote:
ArmenT wrote:... but rather how much powder was contained in it.
or rather "what is the most powerful?"

Yes, besides there was "two for one" sale so they got two kits for (about $200) the price of one.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 May 2013 20:40

For sheer Yuck factor, (Please do see this for background:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... y#p1447920 and the post just above that

Just when you think the worthies of NH state legislators like Giuda, Tahir and Tremblay can not go any lower, here is something .. (Please keep your barf bag handy)
Stella Tremblay, New Hampshire Legislator, Says Jeff Bauman 'Was Not In Pain' After Bombing

(Next time when these clowns Giuda etc talk about Kashmir and how india is evil keep this in mind - Note to those who do not know - Giuda and Tahir got lot of money from Pakistan in the past and they used their status as "state legislators" to hog media in US by saying ugly things about India )

The New Hampshire state legislator who has said the federal government caused the Boston Marathon bombing claimed proof in a victim who lost both legs and "was not in pain."

State Rep. Stella Tremblay (R-Auburn) told a conservative talk show host Tuesday that she knows the federal government was behind the attacks because Jeff Bauman, a bombing victim who helped identify the suspects, was not "screaming in agony" after both his legs were blown off. Tremblay made the comments on The Pete Santilli Show, first reported by miscellanyblue.com, a liberal-leaning website, on Wednesday.

"Then, my first gut reaction seeing the horror of that person that has their legs blown off," Tremblay said. "You know, the bone sticking out? He was not in shock. I looked and I thought, there’s something. … I don’t know what’s wrong, but it seems surreal to me. I talked to my sister, who’s not into politics at all, and she said, 'Yes, I saw the same thing.' He was not in shock. He was not in pain. If I had had those type of injuries, I’d be screaming in agony."

Tremblay, a tea party member with ties to the birther movement, made the remarks about Bauman after causing a stir with her marathon bombing government conspiracy theory. She said photos of the bombing showed intact backpacks, which she said should have been destroyed if they contained bombs. Last week, she posted a comment on Glenn Beck's Facebook page saying the federal government caused the bombing. She has resisted calls to resign over the post.

During the interview with Santilli, Tremblay said she should not get all the credit for linking the government to the bombing. She said a constituent had pointed her to the information. She said she previously trusted the federal government.

Tremblay also praised a YouTube video featuring a man who says he's retired Army Lt. Col. Roy Potter, claiming the federal government was behind the attack. Tremblay said Potter looks honest when he asserts the bombing motive was to divert attention from a pending indictment of President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush for war crimes, along with a drop in the price of gold and government dysfunction.

Potter says on the video that the federal government had planned to pin the marathon bombing on a "right wing extremist helped by al Qaeda," but dropped the plan after being discovered.

“The people who bringing this information out are endangering their lives," Potter said.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 03 May 2013 20:53

Amber G. wrote:Yes, besides there was "two for one" sale so they got two kits for (about $200) the price of one.

It is almost always 2 for 1 when buying fireworks in NH firework stores. They run these promotions for Diwali too. Diwali is a big sales event along with 4th of July and New Years. They do check id when selling Fireworks as most towns in NH have some city laws about how, where and what time is appropriate to light fireworks. Many towns require fire marshall sign off to light these things as NH is very wooded and risk of starting fires is big. An MA license will raise red flags to any fire works store clerk as almost all towns in MA do not allow lighting of any fireworks by private Individuals.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 May 2013 21:23

^^^ Interesting..was curious, so just checked.
Consumer Fireworks are legal under Federal law. One NH store,, I guess,it can ship legally, but still does not ship to MA, RI, NY, NJ etc.. MA needs local approval for virtually every kind of fireworks.
while in NH much more is legal.

(If they - friends of DT - used fireworks along Charles river, as they said they did, without approval - one more charge can be applied)

In massachusetts
In New Hampshire

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 03 May 2013 21:56

Amber G. wrote:^^^ Interesting..was curious, so just checked.
Consumer Fireworks are legal under Federal law. One NH store,, I guess,it can ship legally, but still does not ship to MA, RI, NY, NJ etc.. MA needs local approval for virtually every kind of fireworks.
while in NH much more is legal.

(If they - friends of DT - used fireworks along Charles river, as they said they did, without approval - one more charge can be applied)

In massachusetts
In New Hampshire

Just to add, there are separate town ordinances that apply and most times desis get into trouble for lighting up fireworks as late as after 10:00 pm when city noise oridnances kick in as well. Most times cops will come and wish the folks Happy Diwali and ask them to wrap up the party if it is after 10:00 pm.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 03 May 2013 21:58

BTW apparently the bombs were put together in TT apartment with
Katherine Russell hanging around.

Yes, the 3 mooks who threw away the bag will be going to jail for a long time.

Katherine Russell will probably end up in jail as well, but most likely the civil trial after the criminal one will do the most damage to her and her family.

BTW all the victims of the bombing have standing to sue KR as well, since it happened in her house, apartment is in her name and and all the materials were purchased with financing provided through her welfare and work payments.

BTW this is how Dottie Sandusky escape getting sued. All the property and income was in her husbands name. IIRC even his pension is now being paid out to her.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2013 23:49

Throwing the book at small fish wont compensate for the big fact that the Boston Marathon was bombed twice despite alerts, security and intelligence from foreign govts.
That is where the after action focus will be after the criminal case is disposed off.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 04 May 2013 01:08

Ramana,

I think that is where you and I will probably disagree.

These are the mooks who enabled the environment of racism and bigotry where these actions took place.
I certainly hold them guilty and would not place the FBI or CIA with them.
FBI/CIA are so far guilty of nothing more than failing to find evidence against TT & DT.

I think we need to drain these swamps where hatred and bigotry persist.
Destroying these people will be a good start.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 04 May 2013 01:33

Definite Paki connection:!!!

Grave problem: Cemeteries want nothing to do with Boston Marathon bomber

He’s gone from most wanted to least wanted.
Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s family{including mom} in Russia doesn’t want his body, his widow declined to claim it and now cemeteries in Massachusetts have refused to take the body

Remember .. ..Kasab's mother did not want his body.. no one else wanted it either.. Ditto fro any other Paki terrorist..

Doesn't matter if the mother was born in Russia or any other place.. it is the character which counts... Character DNA.. definitely TSP..

***
Meanwhile as expected, explosive residue found in the Kitchen of the apartment in Cambridge.. FBI is searching area around Dartmouth MA ..FBI looking into past loud "booms" to see if they came from tests..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2013 01:54

Where is the disagreement? Those guys will get what the law requires.

And the agencies will get the re-organization that is required as so clearly obvious.

AmberG, Now, now!!!

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 04 May 2013 02:33

So Uncle Ruslan's connections to CIA Fuller's daughter become a bit clearer:

‘Uncle Ruslan’ aided terrorists from CIA official’s home

The uncle of the accused Boston Marathon bombers incorporated, in 1995, a company called the "Congress of Chechen International Organizations."

Even as the company was sending aid to Islamic terrorists in Chechnya, its listed address was in the home of former top CIA official Graham Fuller.

Ruslan Tsarni was listed as the company's resident agent. The company's address was 11114 Whisperwood Ln in Rockville MD., the home of Graham Fuller, the one-time Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA under President Reagan.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 04 May 2013 02:57

Just a recap of high level contours relating to this incident:
- Purported terrorist attack in mainland US after a big gap since purported attack of 9/11
- purported attack not on american symbol/politico-military target but on common people
- Soft underbelly outside of political or financial capitals of US. Perhaps the place may qualify as educational capital and could trigger a different level of intellectual debate around US policies
- Alleged perpetrators cultured in US and resultant dissonance it created/will create in future situations
- Extensive and unprecedented use of social media – IMO this is by far the most important capability that is demonstrated. Huge potential to use social networking profiles of real or imaginary people and manufacture public opinion. US can create million Osamas/Al Quidas overnight.
- Urban/domestic marshal law type precedent
- Absence of external response particularly military response anywhere close to decade plus long wars that Bush undertook after 9/11

Edited: thanks ramana garu.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2013 03:26

^^^ Satya. Good summary. Only one decade unless you are counting from Desert Storm.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 May 2013 07:07

>> Even as the company was sending aid to Islamic terrorists in Chechnya, its listed address was in the home of former top CIA official Graham Fuller.

its a bit hard to believe the CIA was not aware of this operation...

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 04 May 2013 07:17

The wasp media is spinning away and singing paens on Katherine Russell (Karima Tsarnaev) working 80 hrs a week providing for the family. Yeah sure ! wonder what the spin would have been if TT's wife was a hijab donning alien and not a blue blooded caucasian American working 80 hrs to support a terrorist.

They still refer to her by her maiden name.
Very early on the story was she was living away from TT and with parents.
Protecting "own kind" even when the writing is clear that she is as much involved in this as TT and DT are.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 May 2013 07:27

so, yeah the question of who is going to pay for all of these funeral services? does the younger brother have a bank account still active and the older deceased one has some cash/stocks/bonds/401ks ? mom wants a separate autopsy.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2013 04:13

The T-brothers wanted to do suicide bombing of Boston July 4th celebrations. However as their bombs were ready early on they went for the Boston Marathon.

Looks like they didn't care to be found out.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 May 2013 05:12

Satya_anveshi wrote:.. US can create million Osamas/Al Quidas overnight....

True, unless bomb making material is regulated, and traceable. But then, any regulation modifications from current setup can't tighten the noose for people like t-bros who can hide under the legal permits. It is all side effects of having right to own firearms, loopholes. Recently a 5 year old boy killed his 2 year old sister by accidental trigger. Now, irresponsibility is another angle.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 05 May 2013 08:04

FBI focuses on Boston bomber's widow after agents discover radical Islamist files on her computer and traces of explosive residue throughout her home

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2SNoycTvl

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 May 2013 19:52

Published on May 5, 2013
By Manoj Kureel
Returns on investment: Niti Central

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 10 May 2013 00:21

X-posting 2 posts from Islamophobia thread:

Exclusive: Dagestani Relative of Tamerlan Tsarnaev Is a Prominent Islamist

Last year, when Tamerlan Tsarnaev spent six months in the Russian region of Dagestan, he had a guide with an unusually deep knowledge of the local Islamist community: a distant cousin named Magomed Kartashov. Six years older than Tsarnaev, Kartashov is a former police officer and freestyle wrestler — and one of the region’s most prominent Islamists.

In 2011, Kartashov founded and became the leader of an organization called the Union of the Just, whose members campaign for Shari‘a and pan-Islamic unity in Dagestan, often speaking out against U.S. policies across the Muslim world. The group publicly renounces violence. But some of its members have close links to militants; others have served time in prison for weapons possession and abetting terrorism — charges they say were based on fabricated evidence. For Tsarnaev, these men formed a community of pious young Muslims with whom he could discuss his ideas of jihad. Tsarnaev’s mother Zubeidat confirmed that her son is Kartashov’s third cousin. The two met for the first time in Dagestan, she said, and “became very close.”

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But...

Link Between Islam And Violence Rejected By Many Americans After Boston Bombings: Pew Survey

After the Boston Marathon bombing suspects were revealed to be Muslims who investigators said were motivated in part by radical Islam, American Muslims were quick to condemn the bombings and plea for Americans to not retaliate against the peaceful majority.

Now, the results of a new survey by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press show that despite heightened interest around radical Islam's connection to the Boston attacks, Americans' view of whether Islam is more likely than other religions to support violence remains close to what it has been for the past decade. The survey also found that Americans view Muslims as the group that's most discriminated against when compared to gays and lesbians, African Americans, Hispanics and women.

saip · Post by **saip** » 14 May 2013 19:54

Now pressure cookers have become haram?

Saudi flier with pressure cooker jailed

CNN

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 May 2013 01:04

Writings found in the boat where DT was hiding

Shows he was as jihadi as his brother.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 May 2013 19:38

The process is underway to remove all traces of unkil's own involvement in
nurturing the snakes....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/of ... .html?_r=0

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2013 01:53

FBI shoot dead man with links to Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rnaev.html

Ibragim Todashev was being questioned by several law enforcement officers in the early hours of Wednesday when he initiated “a violent confrontation” with the agent, the FBI said in a statement
Mr Todashev, a 27-year-old Chechen immigrant living in Orlando, Florida, is believed to have been an associate of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the two brothers behind the April 15 attack in Boston.
Tamerlan, a 26-year-old boxer, was killed during a violent stand-off with police following the bombings, which killed three people and injured more than 200 near the marathon finish line.
His younger brother, Dzhokhar, 19, is being held in a secure medical facility. He was found hiding in a boat in the garden of a house in a Boston suburb after fleeing from the stand-off.
The FBI said that Mr Todashev was being “interviewed in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation” when he lashed out, inflicting “non-life threatening injuries” on the agent

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 23 May 2013 23:14

Just the way some of the seal team 6 members died 'accidentally', we now have 2 suits fall out of the helicopter.

Fallen_Feds

Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope, the FBI announced Monday in a statement.

The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant distance.”

Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. And in February, it rescued a 5-year-old boy held hostage for six days in an underground bunker in Alabama.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 05 Jun 2013 19:55

Surprised it isn't on the MSM.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 Aug 2013 10:44

Odd little tid bit....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23541341

Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.
He also had reading material on mass killings.
Until now the Tsarnaev brothers were widely perceived as just self-styled radical jihadists.
Panorama has spent months speaking exclusively with friends of the bombers to try to understand the roots of their radicalisation.

'Government conspiracies'

The programme discovered that Tamerlan Tsarnaev possessed articles which argued that both 9/11 and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies.
Another in his possession was about "the rape of our gun rights".
Reading material he had about white supremacy commented that "Hitler had a point".

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 08 Aug 2013 09:11

Follow the sad story of how the Tripathi name continues to get dragged through the mud. Several incidents have come to light where folks with the name Tripathi have been profile in USA. All those who joined in and besmirched this poor boy and others like him should apologize at some point. But I'm not holding my breath.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/magaz ... d=all&_r=1&

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Aug 2013 22:23

I am hoping some Ind Am Lawyer sues the pants of reddit and others to make an example of them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Aug 2013 19:39

Interesting injuries that Dzhokhar suffered during the capture:

Tasrnev injuries listed in court filings