Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 May 2013 23:34

Sanku wrote: NaMo may or may not be PM but to both BJP and JDU staying together is far more important.

I disagree with this. NM becoming the PM (in any way possible) is much more important for BJP and nation's future than keeping JDU in the coalition. If NM can become PM with the help of Lalu, then so be it.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 May 2013 23:41

RamaY ji, both Laloo and BJP will get a grand total of 0 votes each if they fought together. -- Its about that simple.

I am sorry to say, some of the political analysis on this thread is not done by people who know what is happening on ground. The statements like Laloo+BJP betray a deep lack of understanding of Indian political scene I am afraid.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 May 2013 03:38

shaardula wrote:krisna,

#1. in large parts of the states, this no demand for the ban.
#2. many hindus who are involved in animal husbandry affected by this issue. this law imposed additional red-tape on those communities. even as the rest of the country is enjoying the benefits of liberalization, for some this ban means reintroduction of the license raj. cows, buffaloes, bulls etc are expensive. grazing lands are hard to come by. one of the things that keeps the govts of ka busy, including yedi himself, is the management of kavalu lands for grazing. something as local an issue as grazing requires involvement of state government. there is already a lot of govt interference/intervention.
#3. on the communal aspects of this issue. please listen to Suffya Pattan. I whole heartedly agree with her. The cow issue is best addressed by govts laying off the issue. That is the only ban required.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne0rYqP3W14

krisna wrote: very poor understanding of the problem.
BJP was never in power for a long time since independence. Congress was ruling all over India. Cow slaughter was in place in many states. gradually it got whittled due to congis secularism.

It was never BJP problem to begin with but they highlighted it along with many others. But BJP got branded as cow Hindu etc party.
But sickular parteis never got branded as muslim or christian parties or anti Hindu parties.
Many sickular parties openly bat for non Hindus in the name of sickularism.

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The same could be said of the sikular parties-- siddu promised to remove the cow salughter ban as it is a vote catching one comapried to BJP's ban which is not.

I continue to maintain a poor understanding of the problem.
congis do not mention what is cow slaughter. check the history of this-- congis have been ruling every state in India at least till 1970s or more. many states had the cow slaughetr earlier only by congis. They have been slowly increasing pro muslim and anti hindu sentiments for votes. BJP is doing the pro Hindu sentiments over time.
congis have been blatant and more strident anti hidnu compared to BJP pro Hindu credentials due to vote power of being anti Hindu/pro muslim types.

Hindus have varied responses to the cow slaughter- ask anyone they would have varied reponses conditoned over time due to the circumstances- some say dont kill calf, some say dont kill young cows , some say kill only old cows etc.

Because there is huge unemployment problem over time, people of various communities including Hindus took up jobs in abattoir industry. Now there are 1000s of them emloyed over years. Hence it is a important vote bank. Hindus do not have too much dogmatic issues with these -- anything for livelihood. THis is not so with non Hindus who follow book religiously at the cost of killing others also. Very important difference.

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Now specific to KA
points of your posts-
1--- see the above
2-- see above + governance problem. The govt of the day does not remove red tapism in many areas not only cow slaughter issue.
3---- if only congis do that-- they actively promote cow slaughter with various incentives. check them out.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 May 2013 03:45

Sanku wrote:RamaY ji, both Laloo and BJP will get a grand total of 0 votes each if they fought together. -- Its about that simple.

I am sorry to say, some of the political analysis on this thread is not done by people who know what is happening on ground. The statements like Laloo+BJP betray a deep lack of understanding of Indian political scene I am afraid.

Read my post again. I was saying if NM has a chance to become PM, then it doesn't matter who the coalition partner is. It doesn't matter if that coalition includes JDU or not.

If any coalition partner tries to do a JJ on ABV then 1999 will repeat.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 18 May 2013 05:26

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/o ... 706911.ece

The Madhya Pradesh BJP announced a 51-member campaign committee headed by Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan, for the coming Assembly polls.

The party also formed committees for discipline, finance, coordination and manifesto. While all former Chief Ministers appeared on the list, the name of Uma Bharti — currently an MLA in Uttar Pradesh — is missing.

The names broadly cover all factions of the party except Ms. Bharti’s — whose Bharatiya Janshakti Party merged with the BJP with its five MLAs in 2011.

State media in charge Hitesh Bajpai said Ms. Bharti is a national vice-president. “Except Prabhat Jha, who was the previous State president, all national-level leaders, including Sushma Swaraj, have been excluded.”

A Bharti aide told The Hindu that as whatever she said created controversy for the BJP in the State, she had chosen to focus on Uttar Pradesh, from where she is tipped to fight the 2014 Lok Sabha polls.

The State unit has seen a lot of infighting and controversy in the recent past, the latest being the dismissal of the editor of its mouthpiece Charaiveti. Anil Soumitra was sacked after an article on sexual harassment in the church was published in the magazine’s April issue. The party felt this would alienate minorities. Mr. Soumitra isn’t alone in drawing flak from the party.

Kailash Joshi’s son Deepak, MLA from Hatpipliya, was asked to delete a Facebook post, in which he said the party “had reached the limit of dynastic politics and ideology of real estate (pattavad).”

Last month, BJP workers came to blows and even fired at each other in public functions at Guna and Khajuraho.

Hmm, so Uma Bharti is not campaigning in MP, so much for the crowd puller. No central leaders invited too, good job by Shivraj. Essentially no entry for windbags.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 May 2013 05:35

Need for allies blurs graft taint

But party sources confirmed the visit, which has assumed significance in the light of Rajnath’s earlier assertion of zero tolerance for corruption and the internal differences that have broken out since the recent drubbing in Karnataka, where the party lost power.

Several leaders have blamed the exit of scam-accused strongman B.S. Yeddyurappa as the reason for the poll defeat, though L.K. Advani in a blog said the party delayed acting firmly against the former chief minister.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130518/j ... ZbJaRWZi1E

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 May 2013 12:46

@vinod_sharma 6m

.... first time in 19 years that the BJP has lost deposits in such a large number of seats

After defeat, more humiliation: BJP loses deposit in 110 seats

http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... on=comment

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 May 2013 12:50

There is a MASSIVE difference between fund raising for party and indulging in petty corruption for personal gains in a ham handed way and giving Congress a way to Sc**** you, and then fighting with your party egotistically for your mistakes.

First is the "real politic" that everyone asked for.

Second is "aa bail mujhe maar" (come hit me bull)

Double standards should be there in the two cases

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 18 May 2013 19:40

By the way

Congress & Sidramaiah give ministry to Santosh Lad, a famous mining mafia CON man.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 May 2013 21:36

Congress sings different tune, says Telangana not on UPA's agenda

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/congress-sin ... 37-64.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 May 2013 22:16

Nostalgia

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 19 May 2013 00:17

Congress members unhappy with the rise of ‘Migrans’

Resentment is brewing within the Congress against the party leadership's decision to promote "migrants", political leaders who have joined from other parties. Newly appointed Karnataka Chief Minister Siddaramaiah had joined the Congress a few years ago from Deve Gowda's JD(S). Madhusudan Mistry, who is being given the credit for the Congress' victory in Karnataka, has an RSS background. He joined the party ten years ago with Shankarsinh Vaghela. Of the seven spokespersons appointed recently, only Sandeep Dikshit and Shakeel Ahmad are originally Congressmen. P.C. Chacko, the chairman of the Joint Parliamentary Committee on 2G spectrum, left the Congress with Sharad Pawar, but returned later. Even Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit had joined the Tiwari Congress. P.L. Punia, the chairman of the SC-ST Commission, left the BSP to join the Congress four years ago. Union minister Beni Prasad Verma is originally from Mulayam Singh Yadav's Samajwadi Party.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/buzzword

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 19 May 2013 01:19

I am fan of Uma Bharti. I wished she was less temperamental (but then maybe she may not be Uma Bharti but someone else). I hope she is used strategically in UP, among all state leaders, she can alone turn the tide (along with Varun Gandhi) in BJP favor.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 May 2013 01:24

A while ago there was a newsinsight article where there was a intra-RSS concern that they are becoming a one-party organization and the RSS members in congress are losing their influence. I have a feeling that the Ktaka episode has something to do with that.

In its efforts to be party-agnostic, RSS might be making BJP do certain compromises.

Just saying....

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 May 2013 01:25

Sushupti wrote:Congress sings different tune, says Telangana not on UPA's agenda

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/congress-sin ... 37-64.html

So they got the wind of stuff going on. It is as good as telling all the moneyed industrialists to not cross the fences and be with INC

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Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 19 May 2013 01:26

"Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India"

I've been meaning to bring this up for a while - why Narendra Modi? Is he the only possible answer? He's an efficient administrator yes, but he governs an industrious population with an iron hand. Both are luxuries at the Centre. He's got the firm support of the country's educated middle class, but given that his elevation within the BJP appears to have been accepted only with gritted teeth, the RSS is leery of the idea, and the party's biggest ally is firmly opposed to his candidacy, can a man with his baggage successfully manage a coalition govt, let alone bring the opposition and third parties on board (as will often be the need-of-the-hour)?

What makes him a better prime ministerial candidate than this gentleman -

He has a record to match Modi's. MP's economy has grown faster than Gujarat for quite a while and now appears to have overtaken Bihar. The same goes for improvement on infrastructure and social indices. Its all on a much smaller base yes, but that doesn't diminish the achievement. Like Gujarat, MP is already set to become a power surplus state despite losing the resource rich Chattisgarh region. But while Gujarat has always been a well governed state relative to rest of the country, MP was in shambles when he took office.

In addition, he governs a population, one-third of whom are tribals with special needs. The influence of Naxals has been another factor that's been successfully checked by his administration. Madhya Pradesh is a closer microcosm of India and the challenges that face it, than Gujarat has been at any point.

By all accounts he's a simple, soft-spoken man with a clean non-controversial profile. He's an upper caste Rajput, an RSS member for over 40 years, yet support for him among minorities is arguably unprecedented for a BJP leader of his seniority. And before the end of the year he'll have matched Modi's three back to back election victories.

So tell me, why is it that well educated, well informed readership/membership of BR isn't clamouring for him to be nominated instead? He hasn't actively campaigned for it like Modi has, but surely humility isn't a disqualifying factor in a candidate for high public office?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 May 2013 01:30

^ is that your question or you forgot to use "quotes" on a DDM article?

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 19 May 2013 01:31

RamaY wrote:^ is that your question or you forgot to use "quotes" on a DDM article?

I haven't quoted any article. My question totally, even if it is DDM-like.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 May 2013 01:38

Well for starters,

What was the basis for
1. NM governs an industrious population with an 'iron hand'? Then why is the population voting him to power again and again? Are you saying he is running a one party dictatorship?
2. Efficiency and industrious population are Luxory in center? Is Guj in Pakistan?
3. Does the constitution give power only to coalition govts? Who decides who should be in a coalition and how difficult it is to find a replacement partner in a coalition if one leaves? (see how many UPA partners join, leave, rejoin and relieve all the time)
4. Guj was well governed all the time? Then why do people lose?

Will post the comparison with Sri SSC.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 19 May 2013 01:44

Viv S wrote:He's an efficient administrator yes, but he governs an industrious population with an iron hand. Both are luxuries at the Centre. He's got the firm support of the country's educated middle class, but given that his elevation within the BJP appears to have been accepted only with gritted teeth, the RSS is leery of the idea, and the party's biggest ally is firmly opposed to his candidacy, can a man with his baggage successfully manage a coalition govt, let alone bring the opposition and third parties on board (as will often be the need-of-the-hour)?

So tell me, why is it that well educated, well informed readership/membership of BR isn't clamouring for him to be nominated instead? He hasn't actively campaigned for it like Modi has, but surely humility isn't a disqualifying factor in a candidate for high public office?

The text in bold is a list of points which are against NM. The situation for many people is that the very reason of him being opposed makes him a more credible candidate, this may sound counter-intuitive, but the very fact that some seasoned politicians are dead against NM increases his credibility in the eyes of the aam janta. The apparent opposition makes the janta feel a possibility of decisive action in improving governance. The current situation in India is that there is a feeling of arajakta. Since last 10 days shops are closed in Pune (including ration shops where people buy oil, pulses, grains), and still the government is not doing anything, I do not see any noise about it. If the same had happened in Gujarat, we would be having all OB vans lined up in Ahmedabad, Vadodara, Surat to ask about people's problems.

In such a situation people wish someone who can shake the system, I know this shake-the-system is a dream. But many believe NM will be more proactive than others.

Now to the second point about SSC's suitability: he has not shown the will to fight the dynasty head-on, that does not mean he does not have the capability or harbour such intentions. The fact is that he has not made this clear from his speeches.

Again coming back to NM, he has outlined more about his policy making views, plans and symbolic actions in his domain of influence, more than any other PM candidate in at least the last 2 decades of following Indian political history.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 19 May 2013 02:27

RamaY wrote:Well for starters,

What was the basis for
1. NM governs an industrious population with an 'iron hand'? Then why is the population voting him to power again and again? Are you saying he is running a one party dictatorship?

He's been known for having an authoritarian streak. The term itself was not intended to be derogatory - Lee Kuan Yew was quite authoritarian as well. But where Shri Yew and Mr Modi had clear majorities in their respective legislatures, the BJP in Lok Sabha, barring a miracle, will not.

2. Efficiency and industrious population are Luxory in center? Is Guj in Pakistan?

An 'iron hand' and an electorate with a 'mercantile tradition' are luxuries. What are you talking about?

3. Does the constitution give power only to coalition govts? Who decides who should be in a coalition and how difficult it is to find a replacement partner in a coalition if one leaves? (see how many UPA partners join, leave, rejoin and relieve all the time)

The constitution allows for a party with a simple majority to govern independently. Those pleasant days are well behind us. For better or worse, this is where we are. And yes, coalition partners are not ideologically rigid, but they demand their pound of flesh. Managing them and their sensibilities, creating a consensus, requires a considerable degree of finesse and political acceptability. Not everyone could have managed as well as ABV did. And there's collapsed minority government for every enduring coalition. The success of a coalition can't be or should not be taken for granted.

4. Guj was well governed all the time? Then why do people lose?

That's rhetoric I'm afraid. Its like saying Bihar wasn't poorly governed because RJD kept getting re-elected. Different issue. The operative word here is 'relative to rest of the country' and I was referring to the state in general not govts at particular points in time. Gujarat has been an industrial state since pre-independence while MP has been a perennially under-performing states and aptly included as a member of the BIMARUs. Better governance in Gujarat may have been a cause of development or a consequence, but better governed it was.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 May 2013 03:04

Coomi Kapoor's Column

Signing blindly

In the collegium to select a new member of the National Human Rights Commission, Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj disagreed with the majority's choice of Justice Cyriac Joseph. The minutes of the meeting approving the appointment were first signed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar, Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde and Deputy Chairperson of the Rajya Sabha P J Kurien. When it came to the turn of the Opposition leaders to affix their signatures and attach their dissenting note, they discovered to their amazement that the ruling party members had all signed the minutes without even realising that the place where Joseph's name had to be filled in had been left blank. An embarrassed government hastily withdrew the minutes and made a fresh document.
Tables turned

CBI director Ranjit Sinha has an old history with some members of Mamata Banerjee's government. When he was posted in Patna as DIG, CBI, the then joint director of the bureau, U N Biswas, had complained that Sinha was diluting the case against Lalu Yadav in the fodder scam. Today, Biswas is a minister in Banerjee's cabinet. Similarly, Gautam Sanyal was Mamata's OSD when she was railway minister and Sinha was removed as DG, Railway Protection Force. Sanyal is now Mamata's private secretary. The tables seem to have been turned. The CBI recently launched an inquiry against Sanyal, while the Finance Ministry is probing K D Singh, a TMC MP and Mamata's key adviser. The Bengal chief minister believes the UPA government is deliberately using the CBI to target her party men just as it used the CBI against Mulayam Singh Yadav and Mayawati to make them fall in line. At party rallies, Mamata has started referring to the CBI as the "chor bureau of India", and vows she will fight such pressure tactics. The CBI investigation seems to have brought Mamata closer to the BJP. Recently, K D Singh met both Rajiv Pratap Rudy and BJP president Rajnath Singh. In the Howrah by-election, the BJP has not put up a candidate.

We've come a long way

The government is rolling out a multi-crore ad blitz in the media highlighting its achievements. There is also a booklet listing the key milestones of the UPA rule over the last nine years and a theme jingle titled, "We've come a long way, a long way we'll go'', sung by Shaan and Sunidhi Chauhan. Nevertheless, there is an air of gloom over the preparations for the UPA's 10th anniversary on May 22. The Prime Minister is hosting a dinner at which party president Sonia Gandhi will naturally be present. The party pooper is the recent exit of Ashwani Kumar and Pawan Kumar Bansal. An additional damper is the talk that Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh are not on the same wavelength and a question mark remains as to who will be the party's candidate for prime minister in 2014. On the anniversary, the youth wing of the BJP is bringing out a booklet, 'Scams Galore of the UPA', with the title 'Rs 250000000000 crore scam' on the cover.

Babu delegation

The prestigious Cannes film festival has given special importance to India this year. India was chosen as the guest country to coincide with 100 years of Indian cinema. However, Information and Broadcasting Minister Manish Tewari could not make it to Cannes since he was too busy fire-fighting back in Delhi, what with two ministerial resignations and the Opposition upping the ante inside and outside the House. In place of the minister, I and B secretary Uday Verma, who is to retire next month, is leading a delegation of two joint secretaries. The contingent of babus has little to contribute to the show, though. It is left to Bollywood to keep the Indian flag flying—Vidya Balan is a jury member and Amitabh Bachchan declared the festival open with his Great Gatsby co-star Leonardo DiCaprio.

Most favoured status

Pakistan's prospective prime minister Nawaz Sharif showed special favour to the Indian media during the campaign. He called them to the dais when he was interacting with minorities—Hindus, Christians and Sikhs. He hosted a breakfast meeting for them and invited Indian journalists to watch the election results with him. The western press was so put off by this partiality to the Indians that Sharif had to compensate by hosting a lunch for them after his victory.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 19 May 2013 03:07

One simple answer to Viv S question (and the guy has said personally, many on this forum can vouch) has said many times (youtube it) - he is not interested!! He is interested in MP so far. For one I may not appose a team of SSC and NM (one can choose no 1 and 2 from that team)

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 19 May 2013 04:03

Viv S wrote:

He's been known for having an authoritarian streak. The term itself was not intended to be derogatory - Lee Kuan Yew was quite authoritarian as well. But where Shri Yew and Mr Modi had clear majorities in their respective legislatures, the BJP in Lok Sabha, barring a miracle, will not. <snip>

This is amazing that NaMo can be called authoritan. pretty absurd. authortian

NaMo is easily accessible compared to many other leaders. He works for people, not corrupt, gives officials authority to act according to the local people preferneces within the laws of cosntituion.
He is making the grassroots democracy stronger. entices people partnership in all schemes-- he makes sure all participate in orgainsations.

All the above make him a democrat in truest sense.

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If at all any one can be called authortian or dictatatorial - it is the 2g folks of the teflon phamili.
They have concentrated power within themselves.
It is easy for pressititutes to brand NaMo as authortian swallioowed hook line and sinker by all and sundry deflecting the real dictatorila attitude of termiet queen.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 19 May 2013 06:40

Viv S ji:

SSC's time will come. Right now it is NM's time.

SSC is needed in MP for another 10 years to turn it into a middle income state. If he leaves the state now, and if it is captured again by Diggy's Congress, or ruled by Uma Bharti types in BJP, MP will fall back to the BIMARU status.

BIMARU states need 20 years of good governance at the state level before their development trajectory can be considered safe.

I also think that all BJP Chief Ministers should be made important members of the BJP High Command, kicking out Dilli-Billis who do not understand the ground situation and who have way outlived their utility to the party.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 May 2013 06:46

^^+1 Kakkaji. Sushil Modi is a potentially gr8 admnistrator in the NM/SSC/Raman/khanduri/Panikkar mold for Bihar once bjp loses the nitish baggage there.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 May 2013 07:25

(ducking for cover before arrival of anti-Kejri brigade)

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 19 May 2013 07:42

krisna wrote:
This is amazing that NaMo can be called authoritan. pretty absurd. authortian

NaMo is easily accessible compared to many other leaders. He works for people, not corrupt, gives officials authority to act according to the local people preferneces within the laws of cosntituion.
He is making the grassroots democracy stronger. entices people partnership in all schemes-- he makes sure all participate in orgainsations.

All the above make him a democrat in truest sense.

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If at all any one can be called authortian or dictatatorial - it is the 2g folks of the teflon phamili.
They have concentrated power within themselves.
It is easy for pressititutes to brand NaMo as authortian swallioowed hook line and sinker by all and sundry deflecting the real dictatorila attitude of termiet queen.

The dumb loser Fiberals and paidmedia labels Modi a dictator. But they call the Maino & PAPPU bimbos democrats. They never engage Indians, don't answer Indians or paid media, don't even answer courts and have a dangerous criminal coterie called NAC with full of Islamic terrorist sympathizers, open supporters of Pakis and naxalites who fight against the country.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 19 May 2013 07:45

This is classical switch and bait tactics.So Fordriwal saheb is saying 40% leakage is not happening. There may or may not be Water Tank Mafia but it does not solve the problem of lack of governance in solving the leakage (40%) or lack of accountability. Like how Rahul Gandhi has two solutions for all of India's problem - He will not marry and he will not become the PM of India, Fordriwal has one - Lokayukta or what about corruption.
He himself takes money from foreign entities and goes around town saying, Why India did not win cricket matches - Corruption, Why Monsoon was late - Corruption in Met department....

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 May 2013 08:04

fanne wrote:it does not solve the problem of lack of governance in solving the leakage (40%)

OK, so you defend Vijay Goel Sahib by asserting that 40% leakage is indeed occurring, albeit without any data. Fair enough. Perhaps you are not in a hurry to find out who the owners of the tanker mafias are? That would also be fair enough. But maybe folks who are less well-fed, who see the water tankers plying around, and are paying unaffordable water bills, may have a different view.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 19 May 2013 08:11

Pranav:
You are missing the ENTIRE issue.

The questions AK and AAP are raising are perfectly valid.

Problem is that they do not have a solution beyond not paying bills.

Their semi-anarchy approach is a perfect vent to the frustrations of the Aam Admi. The thoughts make him feel empowered. And they will probably vote for him.

But what does he plan to DO if and when he comes to power? What is his solution? Does he have any track record of SOLVING problems, not just COMPLAINING about them?

INC is guru when it comes to feeling the pulse of the people. They know there is anger among the educated urban, so prop up the AAP with friends from NAC, and funding from UPA agenda friendly organizations.

And it is going to be a wonderful place for all the anti-INC vote to park them-self.

The media has done an excellent job of doing INC==BJP when the situation is that BJP coffers are in arrears (25crore). They do not have money to fight elections while INC can spend 2000/per voter all across India with a little debt on their scam-loot.

You should know the game by now.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 May 2013 08:13

^^If indeed the water tank mafia is operating and it is somehow tied to the bjp, why does not sheila or the home secy led dilli-police crackdown and hang out these louts and their bjp connections out to dry? law and order is a govt issue, why put onus on opposition for it? Besides, why is sheila blaming haryana if indeed water tank mafias are at large? and so on and so forth.

seen later: e3xcellent post vikram S. By now the game of AAP should have become crystal clear and yet we have pranav types here defending AAP like it is a bona fide party. Its another praja rajyam or MNS in the making, is all. ONlee. spoiler and nuisance value is all they are cultivated and hence tolerated for by the establishment INC inc.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 May 2013 08:18

Hari Seldon wrote:^^If indeed the water tank mafia is operating and it is somehow tied to the bjp, why does not sheila or the home secy led dilli-police crackdown and hang out these louts and their bjp connections out to dry? law and order is a govt issue, why put onus on opposition for it?

As Arun Shourie said, a dog with a bone in his mouth does not bark. It is in Congi interest to toss a few bones at people like Loh Purush & Vijay Goel. Tanker mafia may have folks from all parties involved.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 May 2013 08:20

VikramS wrote: Problem is that they do not have a solution beyond not paying bills.

Their semi-anarchy approach is a perfect vent to the frustrations of the Aam Admi. The thoughts make him feel empowered. And they will probably vote for him.

But what does he plan to DO if and when he comes to power? What is his solution? Does he have any track record of SOLVING problems, not just COMPLAINING about them?

How can a new party have a track record. As regards solutions, they are in fact the only party which is presenting systemic solutions for corruption, decentralized governance etc.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 19 May 2013 09:32

Pranav wrote:
VikramS wrote: Problem is that they do not have a solution beyond not paying bills.

Their semi-anarchy approach is a perfect vent to the frustrations of the Aam Admi. The thoughts make him feel empowered. And they will probably vote for him.

But what does he plan to DO if and when he comes to power? What is his solution? Does he have any track record of SOLVING problems, not just COMPLAINING about them?
How can a new party have a track record. As regards solutions, they are in fact the only party which is presenting systemic solutions for corruption, decentralized governance etc.

People, not Party.

What have the individuals who lead the party have achieved in public or private sphere that inspires confidence?

Modi has his Guj record. Tharoor for whatever his vices has a record at UN, and as an author. NiKu has a record of cleaning up Bihar. Even many IAS/IPS do great ground level work which our media does not deem worth highlighting.

What is the personal record of the people in the AAP that inspires so much confidence??

And can you articulate their proposed solutions, and do a critique on why they will work?

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 19 May 2013 09:57

What is the personal record of the people in the AAP that inspires so much confidence??

The only personal record of these people is American and Dutch funding (both rabid EJ countries) and Gora awards to raise their profile in India. Before that, they were zero, with Kejriwal using influence to thwart his and his wife's posting out of the comfortable air-conditioned environs of Delhi -- so much for toiling with the masses for social service. It is so obvious these people are Gora props, people who can't see it must be really blind or pretending to be blind because they are dreaming of becoming an office bearer of AAP.

This Kejriwal dude has been propped up only for one purpose -- to help the Congress by creating managed opposition. The most potent weapon of BJP against Congress is corruption and scams. When Ramdev really started turning on the heat on Congres with his rallies in Ramlila Ground, this Kejriwal dude was propped up abruptly to hijack the platform of anti-corruption from BJP.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 19 May 2013 10:12

Well if people on BR fall for it, then I a not surprised a lot of the urban middle of the road guys are flocking towards AAP.
Decades of mental conditioning is now paying dividends for the CON. I wonder if those in power in the CON even wonder about the repercussions of their actions.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 May 2013 11:23

VikramS wrote: People, not Party.

What have the individuals who lead the party have achieved in public or private sphere that inspires confidence?

I am not commenting about them as individuals, however the issues they are raising and solutions they are putting forward are valid and useful, IMO.

And can you articulate their proposed solutions, and do a critique on why they will work?

Their proposals are quite well known - you cant have CBI controlled by those whom it supposed to investigate - therefore Jan Lokpal; provisions for referendums and people's initiatives, maximum local self governance with decisions taken by Gram and Mohalla Sabhas etc.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 May 2013 11:37

varunkumar wrote:
What is the personal record of the people in the AAP that inspires so much confidence??
The only personal record of these people is American and Dutch funding (both rabid EJ countries) and Gora awards to raise their profile in India. Before that, they were zero, with Kejriwal using influence to thwart his and his wife's posting out of the comfortable air-conditioned environs of Delhi -- so much for toiling with the masses for social service. It is so obvious these people are Gora props, people who can't see it must be really blind or pretending to be blind because they are dreaming of becoming an office bearer of AAP.

BJP is a party that is capable of making great sacrifices, I think they want to sacrifice power sit in opposition again. But they can have the moral satisfaction of resisting Jan Lokpal, laws for referendums & initiatives etc.

This Kejriwal dude has been propped up only for one purpose -- to help the Congress by creating managed opposition. The most potent weapon of BJP against Congress is corruption and scams. When Ramdev really started turning on the heat on Congres with his rallies in Ramlila Ground, this Kejriwal dude was propped up abruptly to hijack the platform of anti-corruption from BJP.

Actually if you recall, one of the conditions that Kapil Sibal sought to impose on Ramdev, when they were negotiating in the hotel just before the crack-down, was that Ramdev should stay away from Hazare, Kejriwal & Co.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 19 May 2013 11:48

therefore Jan Lokpal; provisions for referendums and people's initiatives, maximum local self governance with decisions taken by Gram and Mohalla Sabhas etc.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kudankulam-udayakumar-not-to-surrender-says-kejriwal/1/216993.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/prashant-bhushan-interview/1/154712.html

In an interview to Headlines Today, Bhushan stood by his comments on Jammu and Kashmir and said that plebiscite was one of the solutions to reduce the alienation of the people of Kashmir.

May be local autonomy like this?