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one of the conditions that Kapil Sibal sought to impose on Ramdev, when they were negotiating in the hotel just before the crack-down, was that Ramdev should stay away from Hazare, Kejriwal & Co.
Hmm ... it seems Congress was already more terrified of Kejriwal (represents only Ford Foundation) than Ramdev (mass leader who finds it easy to bring two lakh people from villages to Delhi's Ramlila Ground). That is why they were eager to tell Ramdev to let Kejriwal come out of his shadow and start his own political party. That is why I think Anna also scooted from Kejriwal because he was also terrified of him.

Congress is also more terrified of Kejriwal, that is why Ramdev's followers were beaten black and blue at midnight (one of them died later) while Kejriwal is getting orange juice to break his fast and Congress MP Navin Jindal donated Rs 25 lakhs to AAP (presumably because he is also terrified of Kejriwal).

Did the Brits use to do the same -- lathis for Savarkar and Lala Lajpat Rai and orange juice for Gandhi? Pranav, my friend, ever heard of controlled opposition -- your own supporter play acting as your opposition?
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^^^ Pranav and his AAP, have nicely changed the topic from failures of Congress and its governance (leakage in water supply in Delhi) --> to focus on BJP by making faudlent claims.

That is the single minded agenda of AAP, and their basic reason for being put up.

So transparent.

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Here is some proof exposing the lies of Kejriwal, but dont expect truth to win any time soon.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/aywih0 ... ility.html
The Capital’s state-owned water supply utility, the Delhi Jal Board (DJB), has a leakage and loss rate of 47%. But to plug a leak, the first step is to know where it is.
Interestingly this is a 2009 article and quotes Kejriwal as saying the opposite of what he says today.
“Their RTI reply said that the water that daily flows into Delhi is measured by a weir system, which is archaic. Moreover, bulk meters at input and output points at DJB’s water treatment plants have been defunct for five years,” said Arvind Kejriwal, who received the RTI, replied.
Money really talks hey Kejriwal?
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In an interview to Headlines Today, Bhushan stood by his comments on Jammu and Kashmir and said that plebiscite was one of the solutions to reduce the alienation of the people of Kashmir.
May be local autonomy like this?
Our resident AAP sympathizer has no clue that all these demands -- jan lokpal, referendum, right to recall -- are originating from American think tanks and designed to damage the stability of Indian democracy.

Lokpal will be used to target BJP chief ministers (like Yeddi was hounded; Modi would be next), referendum will be used to encourage the right to secede of North East, Kashmir and Tamil Nadu (separate Tamil Nation), and right to recall will be used to recall BJP MPs midway through their terms.
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More exposure of lies of Kejriwal

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Del ... e76718.ece
The inability of the Delhi Government to curb water leakage and theft is largely to be blamed for the absence of piped water supply to large parts of the Capital as the total distribution losses are to the order of 40 per cent.

In an analytical study conducted by the Delhi Committee of the Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India (ASSOCHAM), it has been revealed that distribution losses are primarily due to leakages in a network of nearly 9,000 km-long water supply lines and because of theft committed in unauthorised connections.
But of course Kejriwal and his supporters can be expected to jump to attack BJP and save congress whenever the need arises.

Kejriwal and liar should be synonyms for any one of BRF IMVHO.
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svenkat wrote:
therefore Jan Lokpal; provisions for referendums and people's initiatives, maximum local self governance with decisions taken by Gram and Mohalla Sabhas etc.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kudankulam-udayakumar-not-to-surrender-says-kejriwal/1/216993.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/prashant-bhushan-interview/1/154712.html
In an interview to Headlines Today, Bhushan stood by his comments on Jammu and Kashmir and said that plebiscite was one of the solutions to reduce the alienation of the people of Kashmir.

May be local autonomy like this?
Re J&K it was a personal, not party view.

I am not advocating any individual or party. People will decide who they want to vote for on the basis of range of factors. Some people may be quite willing to tolerate lots of corruption, others may be less so.
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Pranav wrote:[

Re J&K it was a personal, not party view.
Standard congress type response by congress B team.
I am not advocating any individual or party. People will decide who they want to vote for on the basis of range of factors. Some people may be quite willing to tolerate lots of corruption, others may be less so.
Yes, clearly those who support AAP are very comfortable with corruption of moral, and financial both types, AAP is targeting those. Offering the corrupt who like congress a way to continue supporting congress with plausible deniability.
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varunkumar wrote:Congress MP Navin Jindal donated Rs 25 lakhs to AAP (presumably because he is also terrified of Kejriwal).
Err ... different Jindal.
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Pranav has sidestepped the question of Kejriwal lying and attacking Modi and lying about the water supply losses to support congress and attacking BJP.

Amazing!!
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varunkumar wrote: Our resident AAP sympathizer has no clue that all these demands -- jan lokpal, referendum, right to recall -- are originating from American think tanks and designed to damage the stability of Indian democracy.
Hmm ... great stability which keeps the majority living in hovels, wearing rags, without healthcare, education, without proper food, no access to justice etc.

It is understandable that well-fed types greatly value this stability.
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Pranav has again sidestepped issues and resorted to empty useless leftist rehotric to mask the basic points of how AAP is a lying, sold out organization made to fool people to cut votes.
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Sanku wrote:Pranav has sidestepped the question of Kejriwal lying and attacking Modi and lying about the water supply losses to support congress and attacking BJP.

Amazing!!
Re Adani you were already given a very comprehensive answer.

Re water you have posted some claims for theft plus leakages (without a break-up), and the correct thing to do would be to invite responses from the other side. Very likely the theft is going to the tanker mafia whose ownership you are in no hurry to investigate.

In any case I am sure well-fed "patriots" would have no problem paying exorbitant water bills.
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Basically post some bullshit and obvious lies and well challenged, say we should debate this?

Very dishonest and despicable, to say the least (about AAP tactics)

Clearly the agenda is to create FUD to serve congress.
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Sanku wrote:Basically post some bullshit and obvious lies and well challenged, say we should debate this?

Very dishonest and despicable, to say the least (about AAP tactics)

Clearly the agenda is to create FUD to serve congress.
hmm ... you post some claims and then "obviously" everything else is Blasphemy.

In any case the claim had no break up between theft and leakages, and you seem very happy to not investigate ownership of the tanker mafia.

To serve Congies, who better than the Loh Purush?
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Pranav wrote: hmm ... you post some claims and then "obviously" everything else is Blasphemy.
No, I did not post any claims, I posted reply/studies by
DJB
ASSOCHAM
And Kejri's own staement before he became fully owned congress enterprise.

What Kejri the liar posted was a claim, what I posted was offical studies and some by neutral parties which show Kejri is a liar.
In any case the claim had no break up between theft and leakages, and you seem very happy to not investigate ownership of the tanker mafia.
Oh yes it does talk about it, you are again prevaricating.

Creating FUD by lying will not fly on BRF, may take some people in Delhi for a ride, but not here.
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Pranav wrote:
varunkumar wrote: Our resident AAP sympathizer has no clue that all these demands -- jan lokpal, referendum, right to recall -- are originating from American think tanks and designed to damage the stability of Indian democracy.
Hmm ... great stability which keeps the majority living in hovels, wearing rags, without healthcare, education, without proper food, no access to justice etc.

It is understandable that well-fed types greatly value this stability.
Dude, I wish you get some genuine insights into India's problems, rather than spouting JNU rhetoric of USSR days. Democracy has nothing to do with poverty or education or healthcare or justice. How come America with just two parties is able to give all this to its citizens, while Indians with a hundred parties are denied all these? The actual reason is economic dictatorship of the government - the license permit raj imposed by your favourite jholawalas.

Twenty years ago, there was wait listing for Indian Airlines tickets, even though India was a democracy. When private airlines were allowed, the wait list vanished -- surprise, India was still a democracy. Twenty years ago, a cell phone call used to cost Rs 16 per minute. Today it costs 50 paisa. Surprise -- India is still a democracy. Twenty years ago, a color TV used to cost Rs 20,000. It today costs Rs 7,000. Surprise -- India is still a democracy. Twenty years ago, Maruti 800 used to cost Rs 2 lakhs. It still costs Rs 2 lakhs. Surprise -- India is still a democracy.

The moral of the story for you: Democracy or political rights have nothing to do with shortages or poverty or lack of hospitals or education or empowerment of citizens. These have to do with the stranglehold of the Government on every aspect of the economy under the policies designed by JNU jholawalas. These polices took away the freedom of citizens to indulge in the livelihood of their choice and put together resources to produce goods and services and employ people, thus generating jobs. Incidentally, your pal Kejriwal is demanding more of the same policies.

And yes, if push comes to shove, people would prefer to live in a political dictatorship with economic freedom (Dubai, Singapore, Hongkong) than in political freedom with economic dictatorship (India). Economic rights are more important than political rights. People need to feed their families -- they are not going to digest freedom of speech to satisfy their hunger. How many Indians today do you think would say no to migrating to Singapore or Dubai (economic freedom) rather than stay in India (political freedom)?

If you really want good of India, ask your Kejriwal pal to fight for economic freedom of Indians. We have had enough of political freedoms. Kejriwal can shove his right to recall and lokpals and referendums.

PS: In your defence of AAP, you are sounding more and more like Digvijay Singh.
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Pranav wrote:
Re J&K it was a personal, not party view.

I am not advocating any individual or party. People will decide who they want to vote for on the basis of range of factors. Some people may be quite willing to tolerate lots of corruption, others may be less so.
This ranks up there with the lamest of excuses. In this forum BJP as a party is critcized (and rightly so) when a BJP-neta advocates acceptance of stapled visas. I do not remember Arvindji either distancing himself or his party stating it in explicit that we do not agree with the eminent Bhushans. Annaji had the guts to say what he felt about J&K, and no wonder he was dumped like a used syringe by the AAP leaders.
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Prashant Bhushan - What happened of him getting free land from UP govt ?
Why does every Idiot wants to prove his secular credentials by spewing Cr@p about J&K.
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fanne wrote:One simple answer to Viv S question (and the guy has said personally, many on this forum can vouch) has said many times (youtube it) - he is not interested!! He is interested in MP so far. For one I may not appose a team of SSC and NM (one can choose no 1 and 2 from that team)
He's said that he'll respect whatever decision the party as a whole makes. If he's asked to step up and lead the nation, I have no doubt that he'll do his duty. Come to think of it, even NM has never announced his candidacy AFAIK. One shouldn't read too deeply into such public statements.
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Pranav ji had a detailed thread on Rothchilds, Rockefeller, Bilderberg etc which provided an alternative to mainstream explanation which is white-washed. It is flabbergasting to see him missing the obvious link between Kejariwal's team and INC, Ford and other minions of those very evil bankers that he studies.
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Kakkaji wrote:Viv S ji:

SSC's time will come. Right now it is NM's time.

SSC is needed in MP for another 10 years to turn it into a middle income state. If he leaves the state now, and if it is captured again by Diggy's Congress, or ruled by Uma Bharti types in BJP, MP will fall back to the BIMARU status.
While I agree that it'll be a loss for the state, India's needs trump that of MP.

Fact is, India doesn't have a presidential system. The government here get its mandate from the parliament, the prime minister is the first-among-equals heading a cabinet again composed of parliamentarians. 'Equals' in this case consisting of fellow party-men with whom NM is not on the best of terms and nominees from coalition parties, whom he's actively at loggerheads with.

In addition, the executive, even one headed by NM, can do so only so much to reform the system without the active support of the majority of the parliament. Every thing from the simplest of money bills, to critical reforms in land acquisition and labour laws, to re-organisation of states, needs first the cabinet's and then the parliament's assent. And while NM has a good record in terms of managing the bureaucracy, he's equation with his peers is a lot less stellar.

Shivraj Singh Chauhan has an administrative acumen rivaling Modi's, while still possessing the personal qualities of forge not only a fairly broad coalition but probably a good working relationship with opposition parties as well. That said, his polite gentlemanly demeanor should not be interpreted as a lack of fortitude towards doing what is necessary, as his two (soon to be three) election victories prove.
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Published on May 18, 2013
Eye on LS polls, BJP warms up to Yeddyurappa
Bengaluru: The split with BS Yeddyurappa has cost the BJP its first bastion in south – Karnataka. But the party seems ready to correct its mistake — a merger with BSY’s breakaway faction, the Karnataka Janata Paksha (KJP), appears to be in the pipeline in view of the Lok Sabha election next year.

Although there has been no official announcement, sources in the BJP said party president Rajnath Singh does not want a repeat of the recent debacle in the coming Lok Sabha elections and is planning to get BSY back on board.

It is believed that BSY too, is not entirely averse and has responded to the BJP overtures, said a leader of KJP, on condition of anonymity.

In 2008, BSY had led the BJP to a historic victory in the state. But this time, his KJP has failed to make the expected impact – with a mere 9.83% vote share and 6 seats in the assembly. Under the circumstances, a merger with the BJP may improve the party’s prospects in the Lok Sabha elections, the leader added.

BJP Yuva Morcha president Ganesh K, said, “We both (BJP and KJP) are ready to merge. The only problem is that the Congress might use the cases against BSY to keep him at gunpoint for the next Lok Sabha elections.”

Former minister and BJP legislator CT Ravi pointed out that the Congress had made it only because of the split in the BJP.

RP Jagadiesh, media secretary of Yeddyurappa, though, remained non-committal. “We cannot say what will happen in future,” he said.
Should it happen, it would be a sign for the marginalization of Shri Advani's influence in the BJP.

Before June 8-9, Modi would have to hold more rallies like the one he held in Chattisgarh in support of Raman Singh! Before June 8-9, the BJP cadre would have to come out in massive support for Modi as PM candidate of BJP, so that the issue is settled in BJP for once and ever.

Every passing day of confusion is now also harming BJP's prospects.

The paralysis and alliance politics of BJP in Karnataka, Bihar, Odisha, UP, Maharashtra needs speedy resolution.
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Atri wrote:Pranav ji had a detailed thread on Rothchilds, Rockefeller, Bilderberg etc which provided an alternative to mainstream explanation which is white-washed. It is flabbergasting to see him missing the obvious link between Kejariwal's team and INC, Ford and other minions of those very evil bankers that he studies.
I was very surprised as well to see this AAP drum beating from him. But I think personal ambition beats all morals -- he seems to be hooking up to AAP to hold some post. This shows that while people talk big on Bharat Rakshak, when a carrot gets dangled in front of them, they too become like Harsh Mander and Kajriwals and Teesta Setlavad -- make progress in your own life, India be damned. The curse of personal greed will keep haunting Hindus for a long time.
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Pranav wrote:
varunkumar wrote: Our resident AAP sympathizer has no clue that all these demands -- jan lokpal, referendum, right to recall -- are originating from American think tanks and designed to damage the stability of Indian democracy.
Hmm ... great stability which keeps the majority living in hovels, wearing rags, without healthcare, education, without proper food, no access to justice etc.

It is understandable that well-fed types greatly value this stability.
:rotfl:
The gem. No ideas so cry like a commie.

Pranav ji,

About Water:
The so called water mafia are local jaat/gujar chokras who supply water to these very poor bastis/resettlement colonies/unregularised colonies. I should know because we need to place our orders for providing drinking and other kinds of water to these guys for the migrant labour employed in the residential projects that the Coy I am employed with runs in these parts. These guys provide mostly borewell water for both construction and drinking purposes and do not tap into Delhi Jal Board lines.

The wastage that knowledgble people talk about is actually something like 30%-40%. And the reason is not Water Mafia. The reason is Reverse Osmosis which wastes 30%-50% of water (even 70% if the quality is bad). All chi-chi guys own one in their flats or if they rely on bottled water (20 liter plastic cans) then also it comes from either a reverse osmosis plant or is just plain borewell water (counterfeit stuff). The larger reverse osmosis plants are of varying types and a middle income guy can put one plant every year for this kind of set up. Which is what is happening.


On Vijay Goel and his companies:
I don't want to protect Vijay Goel considering his support for Loh purush at the expense of my man NaMo. But I would be surprised if he owns one. That would basically prove he has zero business acumen and cannot be relied upon to understand the difficulties of the Delhi's business community.

At the same time I challenge AK to name one Company that supplies water. Virtually 100% of it is local chokras running proprietorship concerns. I am doubly sure that 99% of AK's circus would not know the difference between a company and proprietorship.


On Water Mafia:
The Local chokras (your water mafia). These guys used to get involved in local Paarshad level elections, one term from this side another from that one. Exactly like students do in colleges. Coincidently AAP is going to rely heavily on these local Jaat/gujar boys for its own show. I was at the Ram lila grounds when Anna ji had not abandoned these jokers (I have a reason why I call them jokers, that comes later). From Rajiv Chowk this kind of crowd used to BC/MC the Kongis. Had there been one honorable Kongi in this world he would have either reacted violently or died trying. I was also at the Ram lila grounds at the time of Baba Ramdev's second meet. I went there specifically with the motive of a show down. Coincidently BR crowd was all from outside Delhi and all of it a discipline that would put the Indian Army recruits to shame. Virtually 100% of the AAP crowd is untrained, foul mouthed and basically a coward if it comes to street power.


See Pranav ji, the reason why AAP lost its appeal among Internet Hindus is because we know he Lies.
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Pranav wrote:
varunkumar wrote:Congress MP Navin Jindal donated Rs 25 lakhs to AAP (presumably because he is also terrified of Kejriwal).
Err ... different Jindal.
Here you go:
All about the money: Did India Against Corruption swindle donations worth crores?
According to the audit report, the agitation received highest donation of Rs 25 lakh from Sitaram Jindal on behalf of Jindal Steel. Notably, Congress MP Naveen Jindal, is the chairman and MD of Jindal Steel & Power. Kejriwal never hesitated to recieve donation from the company owned by the individual, whose Jindal Power is one of the beneficiaries of the coal allocations.
Sitaram Jindal is uncle of Navin Jindal. Pranav, my friend, why would a Congress MP be funding AAP if Kejriwal is fighting Congress? Too difficult to put two and two together, eh?

More from the above report:
Ever since social activists Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal parted ways, the clouds of controversy around the two have been darkening. Kejriwal is yet again in the middle of storm ever since the reports about him returning
the donated money to Anna, emerged.

Serious questions are being raised regarding IAC finances after an audit report published by the NGO showed some shocking discrepancies.Kejriwal, who talked about transparency and accountability at all government levels, is himself facing allegations over misuse of funds from his own members.

Notably, Kejriwal, is under fire heat from those people, who were once part of the erstwhile Team Anna during the anti-corruption agitations. On facing the heat, Kejriwal-led Public Cause Research Foundation made the audit report till March31, 2012, public on their site.

An audit of the donations received by Team Anna has been shared by The Public Cause Research Foundation (PCRF), which counts among its trustees Arvind Kejriwal, who was once Anna's closest aide. However, a thorough analysis of the audit report revealed several discrepancies.

For instance, the office pantry expenses for the period ending on September 30, 2011 were Rs 21,927. However, the pantry expenses in the next six months increased manifolds to Rs 89,070. The audit report also reveals that the communication expenses which were Rs 2,68,986 at the end of September 2011, doubled in a span of six months. The communication expenses for the period ending March 31, 2012 reached Rs 5,77,474.

The speed with which legal expenses increased, the audit report is bound to raise several questions on the credibility of the Magsaysay award winner. For instance, till September last year, the audit report showed the legal expenses to be Rs 14,936 but the expenditure on legal activities was calculated to be Rs 2,90,742 by March end this year.

This accounts to 20 times increase in the legal expenses by erstwhile Team Anna in the span of six months. This at a time when the erstwhile Team Anna had prominent lawyers and legal advisors like Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan.

Further comparison between the two audit reports of PCRF revealed that the printing and stationery cost that was as high as Rs 2,81,318 on September 30, 2011, reduced to Rs 1,53,965 till March end this year. Major difference in the stationery expenses either hint at some flaws in the audit report or discrepancy in the preparation of balance sheet.

Another serious discrepancy was noticed in the publication expenses. The publication expenses which were Rs 26,55,978 on September 30, declined by almost Rs 10 lakh. The publication expenses were found to be Rs 16,69,656 as on March 31, 2012.

Similarly, the analysis of the two audit reports also showed that the office rent was hiked upto Rs 50,000 in merely six months. The office rent, which was Rs 1,39,850 on September 30 2011, increased to Rs 1,89,077 by March 31 this year.

According to the audit report, the agitation received highest donation of Rs 25 lakh from Sitaram Jindal on behalf of Jindal Steel. Notably, Congress MP Naveen Jindal, is the chairman and MD of Jindal Steel & Power. Kejriwal never hesitated to recieve donation from the company owned by the individual, whose Jindal Power is one of the beneficiaries of the coal allocations.
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Pranav ji, elsewhere you have accused Baba Ramdev of not giving support because he buckled under the Kapil Sibal's pressure.

And you are just plain wrong about that. BR did turn up for the Mumbai dharna but AK and his supporters did not let him in even when Anna ji was willing to take BR's support.
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Atri wrote:Pranav ji had a detailed thread on Rothchilds, Rockefeller, Bilderberg etc which provided an alternative to mainstream explanation which is white-washed. It is flabbergasting to see him missing the obvious link between Kejariwal's team and INC, Ford and other minions of those very evil bankers that he studies.
Atri ji that is a pertinent point.

Do you know Putin was initially groomed and chosen by Boris Berezovsky, who was connected to the western oligarchic families? And then what did Putin do to Berezovsky?

Point being that with these fellowships etc, western elites cast a wide net.

Somebody receiving some fellowship or award is one data point, but that does not mean that one should shut down all further analysis.

But the point I have been repeating ad nauseum over here is that it is open for others to tackle the necessary systemic issues.

Can a Loh Purush with prosperous offspring be anything better than a non-barking dog with a bone in its mouth?

When the dog has a bone in its mouth it is necessary for others to raise an alarm.
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ravi_g wrote:Pranav ji, elsewhere you have accused Baba Ramdev of not giving support because he buckled under the Kapil Sibal's pressure.

And you are just plain wrong about that. BR did turn up for the Mumbai dharna but AK and his supporters did not let him in even when Anna ji was willing to take BR's support.
Was talking about the conditions Kapil Sibal sought to impose on BR, and the conclusions one can draw from that about how the Congress regarded what was then called the IAC.
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ravi_g wrote: The wastage that knowledgble people talk about is actually something like 30%-40%. And the reason is not Water Mafia. The reason is Reverse Osmosis which wastes 30%-50% of water (even 70% if the quality is bad).
Reverse Osmosis? ... that is a pretty expensive process for treating water on a large scale ... typically used only for Labs, Hospitals and nowadays some homes too. Seems unlikely that Delhi Jal Board would use RO.
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varunkumar wrote: I was very surprised as well to see this AAP drum beating from him. But I think personal ambition beats all morals -- he seems to be hooking up to AAP to hold some post. This shows that while people talk big on Bharat Rakshak, when a carrot gets dangled in front of them, they too become like Harsh Mander and Kajriwals and Teesta Setlavad -- make progress in your own life, India be damned. The curse of personal greed will keep haunting Hindus for a long time.
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If AK is in the mould of Putin then YS Jagan is also in the same mould. I am very confident that even though he is with the cronies to get to power, he will do a great job for India. He is also indic.
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varunkumar wrote:
Sitaram Jindal is uncle of Navin Jindal.
Navin has an uncle called Sitaram, but are your sure it is the same Sitaram? The Sitaram that donated to Anna Hazare is the founder of Jindal Aluminium and is a wealthy person in his own right.
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Muppalla wrote:If AK is in the mould of Putin then YS Jagan is also in the same mould. I am very confident that even though he is with the cronies to get to power, he will do a great job for India. He is also indic.
Point was that Berezovsky's endorsement of Putin did not necessarily prove anything about Putin.
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Humm and for that matter why not Advani, he may be compromised as per Pranav, but he may turn out to be a great leader once he becomes PM, why appose him? Or put differently, why among all foreign fed and sponsored agents, only Fordriwal has the capacity to turn the next prophet where as others are doomed to be traitor? if he TFTA, or as Guru Nanak asked once, is he special? was he born from the backside while the whole world comes from the front?
I did not know that Fordriwal was a prophet, I thought he was human, so questioned him. He is a potent weapon of Congress for 2014. In a tight race, even if he influences 20 seats (Delhi-Haryana adjoining seats), it is a game changer.
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varunkumar wrote: If you really want good of India, ask your Kejriwal pal to fight for economic freedom of Indians. We have had enough of political freedoms. Kejriwal can shove his right to recall and lokpals and referendums.
I would say a big cause of poverty is corruption which in turn is rooted in disempowerment of people. When X can take decisions on behalf of Y, that is the seed of corruption.
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fanne wrote:Humm and for that matter why not Advani, he may be compromised as per Pranav, but he may turn out to be a great leader once he becomes PM, why appose him? Or put differently, why among all foreign fed and sponsored agents, only Fordriwal has the capacity to turn the next prophet where as others are doomed to be traitor? if he TFTA, or as Guru Nanak asked once, is he special? was he born from the backside while the whole world comes from the front?
I did not know that Fordriwal was a prophet, I thought he was human, so questioned him. He is a potent weapon of Congress for 2014. In a tight race, even if he influences 20 seats (Delhi-Haryana adjoining seats), it is a game changer.
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If "Fordriwal" is a potent weapon for Congies it is only because those who need to bark are too much in love with the bone in their mouth.
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Pranav wrote:
varunkumar wrote: If you really want good of India, ask your Kejriwal pal to fight for economic freedom of Indians. We have had enough of political freedoms. Kejriwal can shove his right to recall and lokpals and referendums.
I would say a big cause of poverty is corruption which in turn is rooted in disempowerment of people. When X can take decisions on behalf of Y, that is the seed of corruption.
Italy is equally corrupt but there is no poverty there.

You say Poverty is the result of corruption (which I don't agree with). Then what is the cause of corruption? The answer: The stranglehold of the government on the economy, denying citizens economic freedom, and laws that make it impossible to sack corrupt civil servants. If citizens have economic freedom, corruption doesn't impact living standards of people.
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Pranav wrote:
varunkumar wrote:
Sitaram Jindal is uncle of Navin Jindal.
Navin has an uncle called Sitaram, but are your sure it is the same Sitaram? The Sitaram that donated to Anna Hazare is the founder of Jindal Aluminium and is a wealthy person in his own right.
How innocent can you get. The same way Railway Minister Bansal shouldn't have been sacked as it was his nephew who was involved in taking bribes, not him.
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Nielsen ABP poll is out:

https://twitter.com/abpnewstv
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News-Nielsen Survey: Uttar Pradesh Projections - Cong 6 (21 in 2009); SP 24, BSP 21, BJP 23 (10 in 2009); RLD 5
News-Nielsen Survey for Lok Sabha - Delhi: Cong 2-BJP 5; Bihar - BJP-JD(U) 34, Cong 3, RJD 2; Maharashtra BJP-Sena 29; Cong-NCP 16
That number will change the Delhi order. goosebumps :)
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^^ If SP 24, BSP 21, CON 6 and RLD 5 means Maino clan has 56 seats. Their plan works. Interesting that the UP people don't get it still.
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