Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

[Sushupti]

@rightbrain09: "@Hello_AAP: #AAPChicago the idea of Hindi , Hindu and Hindustan will destroy India - Yogendra Yadav" AAP promoting Islam or just Anti Hindu

[fanne]

If you have watched Yogendra Yadav, (I have for the last 20 years); I can say, he barely hides his bias (very Pro Congress and anti BJP {and left maybe, but left is a facade to support extra-terrestrial interest, true running dog of imperelists}). If he is the chief electoral strategist of AAP, let me declare right now (and God I do not end up in a ditch dead), AAP is the first Foreign Controlled Party that will be unbashedly working for foreign masters. Its the first shot. I think gradually congress use is ending, it acted as a transition, where a India divided on basis of religion, still ended up being a nation hostile to Hindu interests, thanks to congress. Now we have parties that are openly communal (Muslim parties in Assam, Apna Dal in UP etc., and that are openly Christian - Jagan party is AP). Maybe foreign maibaap wants a party that can articulate clearly that to kill corruption (and how Hindus/Indian are incapable of ruling, they are really white man burden), maybe a Union Jack or star spangled banner is needed. Maybe we are seeing a major transition and AAP is the first King's (or Master's) party.
rgds,
fanne

[Supratik]

RLD-Ajit Singh is negotiable. 97 NDA (1 MNS) out of 175.

[Sanku]

Pranav has still not taken a personal stand on the multiple issues where Fordiwal was caught lying.

[muraliravi]

Pranav has still not taken a personal stand on the multiple issues where Fordiwal was caught lying.

Don't worry sir a host of surveys have shown that khujliwal/fordiwal has no impact even in Delhi. This time Delhi assembly/lok sabha will be a bjp sweep. If it 5-2 in bjp favor now, by 2014 it will be 6-1. Cong may win east Delhi. After that it is up to bjp to prove in court that he is using funds from abroad to promote anti national activities like advocating kashmiri separatism etc...

[Sanku]

^^^

I hope so Sir.

Meanwhile

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/modi- ... 130519.htm

UP Amit Shah
Maha -- Rudy
WB -- Varun Gandhi
MP -- Ananth Kumar
Bandaru Dattary -- Kerala/Also a VP now
Cgarh -- J P nadda
Jkhand - Ram Tripathi
Rajasthan -- Kaptan Singh

[muraliravi]

^^^

I hope so Sir.

Meanwhile

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/modi- ... 130519.htm

UP Amit Shah
Maha -- Rudy
WB -- Varun Gandhi
MP -- Ananth Kumar
Bandaru Dattary -- Kerala/Also a VP now
Cgarh -- J P nadda
Jkhand - Ram Tripathi
Rajasthan -- Kaptan Singh

Why is ananth kumar in charge of the state that is about to deliver Max seats for bjp. Rest all look fine.

[Sanku]

Why is ananth kumar in charge of the state that is about to deliver Max seats for bjp. Rest all look fine.

I hope it is because he can do the least damage there, as it is SSC show all the way.

[muraliravi]

Why is ananth kumar in charge of the state that is about to deliver Max seats for bjp. Rest all look fine.

I hope it is because he can do the least damage there, as it is SSC show all the way.

Sir, it is widely acknowledged ( I have heard it from RSS/bjp workers) that the bad performance of bjp in 2009 in madhya pradesh was due to internal sabotage and it also is partly applicable in rajasthan too. After that debacle they better be careful. No need to give ananth kumar anything, just send him to ndtv studios if he MUST be given something.

[Sushupti]

^^^

I hope so Sir.

Meanwhile

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/modi- ... 130519.htm

UP Amit Shah
Maha -- Rudy
WB -- Varun Gandhi
MP -- Ananth Kumar
Bandaru Dattary -- Kerala/Also a VP now
Cgarh -- J P nadda
Jkhand - Ram Tripathi
Rajasthan -- Kaptan Singh

Why is ananth kumar in charge of the state that is about to deliver Max seats for bjp. Rest all look fine.

You forgot Bihar. Pradan guy who sent false report regarding the clout of Yeddi has been put in charge of Bihar. Expect him to screw BJP and strengthen NikU as per "Loh Purush" policy of balancing BJP against allies to keep grass root pro Modi forces in check.

[muraliravi]

You forgot Bihar. Pradan guy who sent false report regarding the clout of Yeddi has been put in charge of Bihar. Expect him to screw BJP and strengthen NikU as per "Loh Purush" policy of balancing BJP against allies to keep grass root pro Modi forces in check.

I am hoping there is a tab on these guys. Bjp and jdu will split, its only matter of time. And it is totally unacceptable that jdu gets 25 to contest while bjp just 15. Also shanta kumar for Punjab is another blunder. Punj is a modi guy for himachal which is good, modi was bjp prabhaari for himachal when they first got to power there.

[Supratik]

AK, DP and SK should have been given other jobs where they can do least damage. VG for WB is good. May bring new ideas to expand base.

[prahaar]

Ashutosh, Prabhu Chawla and others blasting Amit Shah's appointment. Definitely raising antennae in High Command. Attack dogs out to demonize Amit Shah, a media shy individual in limelight. I used to be blissfully unaware of prabhari appointments, BJP party level appointments, with NM entering the field, all details are being highlighted and aam aadmi like me knows about it.

[Muppalla]

AK, DP and SK should have been given other jobs where they can do least damage. VG for WB is good. May bring new ideas to expand base.

AK spoiling MP has least chances. MP is an open and shut case. The spoiling has to happen from very local stuff to which AK has least abilities.

DP's report against Yeddi should not be read in the context of sabotaging BJP. It is not a zero sum game always. Per hearsay, he is fine organizer and they all will help Modi.

SK definitely is a culprit and should not have been accomadated unless they are trying to give him a position to place him to not allow him to do one more sabotage.

These are positions in party sometimes are given to honor the folks and someother times to placate them from doing wrong things. In charge of some state has no big rule as opposed to who actually are presidents etc.

[Sushupti]

Lalu Direct
http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4427691.cms

[vivek.rao]

https://twitter.com/VishweshwarBhat/sta ... 60/photo/1

K'taka CM sleeping in public meeting ... May be this is the way it is going to be. He will fall asleep while the Maino clan loot and destroy it like they did AP.

The Mining mafia Lad is already a minister but the paid media vacated K'taka as soon as BJP self destroyed there.

[krisna]

https://twitter.com/VishweshwarBhat/sta ... 60/photo/1

K'taka CM sleeping in public meeting ... May be this is the way it is going to be. He will fall asleep while the Maino clan loot and destroy it like they did AP.

The Mining mafia Lad is already a minister but the paid media vacated K'taka as soon as BJP self destroyed there.

siddu wants cheap liqour policy. to this end he also appoints a distillery owner as excise minister. ostensibly to bring more employment to people as otherwise they will be jobless.
they definitely have brains to sell cheap liquor to kids soon.
revenues of party coffers will flow to fight elections.


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Remember states which have the highest amount of money-
1) Gujarat-- under NaMo-- ironically NaMo is not corrupt nor allows corrupt to flourish to a great extent-- result not much money to BJP party.
2) Maharasthra- congis- scr*wing the state alround along with NCP.
3) Delhi- sheila aunty again allowing the plundering Delhi along with AAP.
4) TN- JJ will keep a tight lid to make sure it stays with her party.
5) AP- congis again to the fore squeezing jagan to the last drop and APites.

Hope I have not left big states which contribute a lot.

[krisna]

guys give a break to aap supporter. he has to answer questions honestly.
He selectively answers which are comfortable. he is similar to other congi trolls at times.
let us not waste some bandwidth knowing his wavelenghts spectrum.

Indian supporters irrespective of party affiliation should answer honestly. it does not matter overall as BRF is only a paltform to share ideas of each other.
one can diss anyone including sonia mata the termite queen so also NaMo and AK with facts and other data.
No one is above board.

wonder everyone understands this is the moot question.

[krisna]

In clothesline by madhu trehan of newslaundry- she says

Pukistan has a PM in having Nawaaz Sharief.

India has a Pm who has No awaaz No Sharief.

very telling statement.

[RoyG]

In clothesline by madhu trehan of newslaundry- she says

Pukistan has a PM in having Nawaaz Sharief.

India has a Pm who has No awaaz No Sharief.

very telling statement.

Thanks for stating the obvious. We know MMS is a worthless fellow.

[Pranav]

I would say a big cause of poverty is corruption which in turn is rooted in disempowerment of people. When X can take decisions on behalf of Y, that is the seed of corruption.

Italy is equally corrupt but there is no poverty there.

You say Poverty is the result of corruption (which I don't agree with). Then what is the cause of corruption? The answer: The stranglehold of the government on the economy, denying citizens economic freedom, and laws that make it impossible to sack corrupt civil servants. If citizens have economic freedom, corruption doesn't impact living standards of people.

Corruption is the motive for the continuing stranglehold. It is extremely instructive to hear what Arun Shourie had to say about resistance to privatization of Ashoka Hotel in his recent interview by the Center Right blog team - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... J7DOfI5VDs. Somebody had posted it in the NaMo thread.

Furthermore, privatization can hardly be a solution if you are going to be a banana republic handing over national assets on a platter to relatives of Congies and Loh Purush's.

So neither public sector nor private sector will save you unless you address the root of the problem which is corruption, which in turn is rooted in dis-empowerment of the people.

[member_23629]

Corruption is the motive for the continuing stranglehold.

Was there corruption in 1947 when this stranglehold got created?

[Sushupti]

Trouble at the Top

After nine years in Government, the political ambitions of Manmohan and Sonia are at clash point. The trust deficit is widening. With the Lok Sabha elections fast approaching, both sides are positioning themselves-Manmohan for a dignified exit, if not a third term, and Sonia for a clean slate for son Rahul Gandhi, the recently anointed Congress vice-president who is her designated heir


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/trus ... 71654.html

[member_20317]

The wastage that knowledgble people talk about is actually something like 30%-40%. And the reason is not Water Mafia. The reason is Reverse Osmosis which wastes 30%-50% of water (even 70% if the quality is bad).

Reverse Osmosis? ... that is a pretty expensive process for treating water on a large scale ... typically used only for Labs, Hospitals and nowadays some homes too. Seems unlikely that Delhi Jal Board would use RO.

DJB does not have to. It is the people

->Haryana does not / cannot release much water as their own populations is growing and agricultural usage is still old pattern.

->100% of offices ask for 20 liter cans at 35/- per can inclusive of transport, which can only be done by a local entrepreneur and not by big companies. These guys just tap into DJP piped water or borewell water and use RO to purify it to the required degree (Highly purified for MNC/Pvt. Coy, tap water straightaway for govt establishments and shops) This is both theft and wastage. I didn’t know of the wastage caused by RO till the promoter of the company I am employed with mentioned it. His headache was finding enough water for construction sites.

->Construction boom has created its own usage needs. Gurgaon will or already has banned ground water extraction for construction. Now all these construction companies will ask local boys to supply ground water extracted from nearby farms for use in construction. Some economic activity and some conservation measure.

->The domestic user is culprit too. Indians use water like Saudi aribia uses petrol. Nobody in last few thousand years has ever thought of a day when water would begin to run short. So nobody prepared. This is actually a big saving at source available to you if some good technologies can be promoted. Right now everybody already owns or wants to own a domestic RO system, which is another reason for the wastage.

Pranav ji, when you think water, think drip irrigation, domestic conservation, less wasteful purification methods, water harvesting. But these are not the focus areas where the nation’s resources/talent are being sourced. Somehow CWG type useless projects take priority. I am not absolving BJP of such ‘India Shining’ type nonsense. Vijay Goel is also only highlighting the political aspect when infact the major reasons are technological, management and social. Coincidently you will never find resident experts focusing on these unglamourous matters. Good only, I guess, they can be expected to diagnose Indians with some congenital desease of wasting water.

[prahaar]

Ravi_g, do not blame common household users of RO, if DJB does not provide clean and healthy drinking water, what should the common man do? The leakage problem is not limited to loss of water, it is also a cause for contamination of water meant for consumption.

[member_20317]

I am sorry if I gave that impression.

I did mention "less wasteful purification methods" and the solutions being tech+management+social. If you take Social to mean domestic RO then no, it rather means the washing requirements. The water usage should be a pyramidal structure:
1) Best water for drinking purposes
2) Lesser quality for snan etc.
3) Washing clothes coming next and then the agricultural/horticultural usage and finally the construction usage which need no care on decontamination/pathogens but has concerns only on hardness.

Drinking water quality not being meat properly is the concern that gets highlighted the most and in the context being discussed I wanted to who how the present method serves the least privileged section. The investments are required in the less xesy stuff like treatment and distribution which will also be a proper valuation for GDP purposes instead of the silly methods like Harayana where they have merely banned the extraction with no concomitant measures.

[prahaar]

OK, I get it now. But I am surprised that water is not a big issue in Delhi elections, is it because there are many illegal colonies who do not "expect" official water line and are happy to be left alone? I know this is not correct attitude of the govt. but an Indian voter makes all sorts of compromises to survive. Is the situation of water scarcity all pervasive? Quite surprising for a city (and a national capital at that) situated very close to one of the dominant river basins. Probably the previous elections were held in Nov-Dec time-frame when water and power problems are not that acute, has there been a study of Anti-incumbency effect with the election month?

I have a feeling that Anti-incumbency would be more acute for elections held in Summer and less acute for elections held in Winter months (for places with very hot summers and vice-versa for places with extreme winters).

[member_20317]

Unregularised colonies end up voting for the one who gives them hope of getting regularised. The regularised colonies that were earlier kaccha join the MCD system but remain neglected or more realistically speaking the money does not gets invested. Could be not enough money or could be mismanagement, I am not sure. But these regularised colonies did vote in BJP in municipal elections. So people are not blind but they do have to make a heavy compromise.

The strange part is while people move towards Gurgaon and Noida as they get better finances for their housing needs the poorer sections remain within Delhi and are badly exploited. AK has landed in something of a missionary role urging people to agitate on the matter. The reality is these poor to Low Income Group people have day jobs to keep and cannot be further laddened with any further efforts. If you want to do some good then you have to change the broader system which is controlled from the top. If you want merely to agitate them then you will end up building up frustration instead.

BTW the river basin does not now exist. Its a nulla basin for all practical purposes. Jamuna ji stops flowing in any realistic way after Tajewala. Which is what Vijay Goel is focusing on. Though yes his protest is only a barsaati maindhak kind of protest. Not serious and not going to bear fruits for BJP except n the unlikely event of people getting pissed off by Kongis which they are not.

[sum]

Very interesting piece:
Why Congress has learned the wrong lessons from India Shining

If something happens, the human mind needs a reason, an explanation or a cause for it. Without it, the loop is not complete. Hence, the human mind actively seeks causes for events that have happened, whether those causes are the real reasons for the event happening is another issue all together.

As Ed Smith former English cricketer wrote in a recent column, “The point, of course, is that causes are being manipulated to fit outcomes. They weren’t causes at all, merely things that happened before the defeat. The ancient Romans had an ironic phrase for this terrible logic – post hoc, ergo proper hoc, “after this, therefore because of this”.”

An excellent example of this phenomenon in an Indian context is the defeat of the Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) in the 2004 Lok Sabha election. Of the explanations that followed the one that gained most credibility and is still holding on strong, is the India Shining Campaign.

Since the results of the 2004 Lol Sabha elections came in, it has been widely held that BJP lost the elections because of the “insensitive” urban centric India Shining advertising campaign, which ignored the aam aadmi. The irony is that even the BJP came to believe this.

As Arati R Jerath points out in a recent column in The Times of India, “Significantly, LK Advani was to acknowledge later that the India Shining slogan was “inappropriate” for an election campaign. In hindsight, many in the BJP realized that the tone and tenor were arrogant and insensitive and that it glossed over prevailing social and economic inequities that the NDA government had failed to address.”

This logic doesn’t hold true against some basic number crunching. The difference in vote share between the Congress led UPA and the BJP led NDA was a little over 2 percent. The NDA got 33.3 percent of the vote whereas the UPA won 35.4 percent of the vote. As economist Vivek Dehejia, the co-auhtor of Indianomix – Making Sense of Modern India, said in an interview to Firstpost, ”That 2 percent difference in vote share can equally be attributed to a number of other explanations, such as bad luck, as it is to anything else. Or let me put in another way; if you look at those results, basically it came down to a coin toss. A third of the voters voted for the NDA, another third voted for the UPA and a third voted for somebody else.”

Hence, if the NDA had got 1 percent more vote and UPA had got 1 percent less vote, the situation would have been totally different. And maybe in that situation, people would have been talking about how the India Shining campaign really worked. Given this, it is not always possible to figure out why something happened. The broader point is that India is too diverse with too many issues at play to attribute the win or a loss in Lok Sabha elections to one cause, which in this case happened to be the India Shining campaign.

[Pranav]

Congies redefine the national flag. Apparently now the color of the upper stripe is now "orange".

[sum]

^^ Pathetic %^#&@(

[Pranav]

^^^

[Chandragupta]

Pathetic.

[Adrija]

Hence, if the NDA had got 1 percent more vote and UPA had got 1 percent less vote, the situation would have been totally different. And maybe in that situation, people would have been talking about how the India Shining campaign really worked. Given this, it is not always possible to figure out why something happened

Actually, FWIW, I think it is seat adjustments which really make a difference........inspite of the entire KA rona-dhona, the combined BJP + Yeddy votes % barely differed from that of previous round........overall not a good sign actually...........if that is true then what it shows is that the mango Indian still votes as per his pre-fixed notions (caste?) irrespective of governance........where does that leave us re 2014?

My 2 khote paise

[muraliravi]

bloody hell,

ABP news is giving congress 9 seats in West bengal, unbelievable, are they just trying to balance off numbers to show congress in 3 digits or is there going to be a EVM game again, this time in WB.

If there are 3 states that have me worried this time and these 3 may throw up surprises, genuine or evm i dont know.

1. Jharkhand
2. Orissa
3. West Bengal

Bihar also might end up being a wild card based on alliances.

[prahaar]

Congies redefine the national flag. Apparently now the color of the upper stripe is now "orange".

Suddenly our national flag color has communal shade of Saffron, which needs to be portrayed as orange. Before anyone says it is a simplification, Saffron as a color has been recorded in English in 1200 A.D. (source: wiki as checked on 28-5-2013 21:04 IST). Pathetic indeed.

[Supratik]

bloody hell,

ABP news is giving congress 9 seats in West bengal, unbelievable, are they just trying to balance off numbers to show congress in 3 digits or is there going to be a EVM game again, this time in WB.

If there are 3 states that have me worried this time and these 3 may throw up surprises, genuine or evm i dont know.

1. Jharkhand
2. Orissa
3. West Bengal

Bihar also might end up being a wild card based on alliances.

Some people are not very happy with Mamata and may not want to vote left.

[prahaar]

With Varun Gandhi being made prabhari of WB, does it signal BJP fighting it out with max force or would it leave the field open for MB? In the recently held by-elections BJP did not field its candidate (not a good policy if they have any plans of creating a presence in that state).

[Supratik]

Urban people are not very happy with Mamata. TMC is most likely a temporary anti-left phenomenon. INC plus BJP should come up and left should reduce to 5% vote share for WB to progress. BJP is not coming up but INC numbers are good in a 4 way contest. Left is gaining from division of votes. VG for WB is good. Need to see if he breaks new ground. Was hoping for 1 to 2 seats outside Darjeeling.

[fanne]

dum dum and bada bazar, purulia etc r where bjp is in fight