Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 18:50

Sanku wrote:
muraliravi wrote: If they have proof they will put him behind bars whether he is declared or not. They have tried for 9 yrs.
Its not only about putting behind bars. That part may not even be useful anymore.

Please do see other reasons.

Sir please explain, can't see through your message.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 22 May 2013 18:55

A person does not remains same throughout his life. A Valmiki was a dacoit once then a sage, A jinnah was a secular/fighting for freedom fighter (that Nehru would not) changed to a blood thirsty bri...stooge. A Gandhi before being thrown out from train in SA was different from the one doing Dandi March, and was different from one in Chaura Chauri (giving Bri enough space by not endorsing voilence) was different from one in 1942 Quit India (where he very much endorsed everything including kitchen sink to throw at Bri, now that the opponent was bogged and loosing the war for its existence).
Similarly Advani of RJB movement is diff from Advani as HM and is diff than one after the loss of 2004 and of 2009. His advisors (ears and mouths have changed from Nana Deshmukh to S. Kulkarni and his own dau... who had little say before, but divorced and free now, he also has SS and other advisors now).
It would be a falacy to compare LKA of RJB with LKA of today. Two different people, two different set of advisors, two diff circumstances.
rgds,
fanne

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 May 2013 18:59

On second thought, I think Advani is right in staying quite w.r.t leadership question. I can understand him playing the elder of the party.

Perhaps he doesn't think he, personally, need to speak against the termite family and give direction to party members. He leaves it to the young leaders.

NM couldn't have gone around the nation without the tacit understanding and consent of BJP and RSS.

The problem is with the BJP observers is that they think BJP works and should work same as INC, where the leader remains king until he dies.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 22 May 2013 19:02

RamaY wrote:On second thought, I think Advani is right in staying quite w.r.t leadership question. I can understand him playing the elder of the party.

Perhaps he doesn't think he, personally, need to speak against the termite family and give direction to party members. He leaves it to the young leaders.

NM couldn't have gone around the nation without the tacit understanding and consent of BJP and RSS.

The problem is with the BJP observers is that they think BJP works and should work same as INC, where the leader remains king until he dies.

One cannot understand RSS unless one has been part of RSS for few years.. None of the mainstream BJP observers have been to RSS. Nor have most of the twitter based observers. There is no point in trying to understand BJP without knowing RSS.. BJP without RSS is different animal altogether.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 22 May 2013 19:05

Hari Seldon wrote:Honestly, quite hard to believe that in 9 yrs of UPA, the dastardly C-system couldn't fix a single case against Modi. What gives I wonder?

Maybe they were complacent during UPA-1 thinking him as a passing fad, a regional satrap etc. But in UPA-23 also they didn't try to outright "buy" a favorable judgment in even 1 Modi case? Possible but unlikely. Maybe they tried but all state institutions haven't yet come under C-system co-option yet. Whop knows what the next judicial appointment holds?

thats what scares congress much..

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 May 2013 19:10

Sushma Swaraj, seen as a contender for the top post, said today that the BJP's allies in the National Democratic Alliance it leads will be consulted on who will be the party's face for 2014. If at all someone is projected.

"Whether we will have a (Prime Ministerial) face or not and if we decide to have a face, who it will be, these issues will be decided by the BJP Parliamentary Board in consultation with NDA partners," Ms Swaraj said.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bjp-d ... eststories

Situation evolving as expected. Sushma ji pointedly failed to mention any time frame for these issues being sorted out.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 22 May 2013 19:16

ya its over, lets vote Fordriwal!!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 May 2013 19:18

fanne wrote:A person does not remains same throughout his life. A Valmiki was a dacoit once then a sage, A jinnah was a secular/fighting for freedom fighter (that Nehru would not) changed to a blood thirsty bri...stooge. A Gandhi before being thrown out from train in SA was different from the one doing Dandi March, and was different from one in Chaura Chauri (giving Bri enough space by not endorsing voilence) was different from one in 1942 Quit India (where he very much endorsed everything including kitchen sink to throw at Bri, now that the opponent was bogged and loosing the war for its existence).
Similarly Advani of RJB movement is diff from Advani as HM and is diff than one after the loss of 2004 and of 2009. His advisors (ears and mouths have changed from Nana Deshmukh to S. Kulkarni and his own dau... who had little say before, but divorced and free now, he also has SS and other advisors now).
It would be a falacy to compare LKA of RJB with LKA of today. Two different people, two different set of advisors, two diff circumstances.
rgds,
fanne

Everyone says the same. I spoke to a person (old gentleman) who is very very close to LKA and he himself still being friend to LKA said the same. He does not say any bad but all it points to vaardhakyam. He is not in any fray (forcefully or voluntarily) for 2014. It will be Modi and folks need patience before the grand declaration happens.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 May 2013 19:20

fanne wrote:ya its over, lets vote Fordriwal!!

Surely "Fordriwal" must have forced Madam Sushma ji to make that statement, fanne ji? Please check if he is not hiding under your bed too.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 May 2013 19:21

By the way there is GVL's UP survey. (very busy to post details). Jest of the survey is with Modi it will be 47 LS wins for BJP. Without Modi it will be 19 LS seats. He predicts a vote share of 33% with Modi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 May 2013 19:38

The prospect of Modi being the PM if NDA wins is bring out a lot of snakes in the media and other spheres.

Wonder what will be their fate if he really does become the PM.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 May 2013 19:51

muraliravi wrote:
Sanku wrote: Its not only about putting behind bars. That part may not even be useful anymore.

Please do see other reasons.
Sir please explain, can't see through your message.

Not being cryptic Murali-ji; just outlined 3-4 scenarios a few steps back. Idea would be to hobble and maim and not kill. Merely tie him down.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 22 May 2013 19:55

ramana wrote:The prospect of Modi being the PM if NDA wins is bring out a lot of snakes in the media and other spheres.

Wonder what will be their fate if he really does become the PM.

They're part of the loot network. They will either turn on each other before going to to court or retire outside of the country. Modi won't just put people behind bars like that.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 19:58

Pranav wrote:
Sushma Swaraj, seen as a contender for the top post, said today that the BJP's allies in the National Democratic Alliance it leads will be consulted on who will be the party's face for 2014. If at all someone is projected.

"Whether we will have a (Prime Ministerial) face or not and if we decide to have a face, who it will be, these issues will be decided by the BJP Parliamentary Board in consultation with NDA partners," Ms Swaraj said.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bjp-d ... eststories
Situation evolving as expected. Sushma ji pointedly failed to mention any time frame for these issues being sorted out.

Guys lets be patient. Sushma Swaraj is frankly no one in this game. C'mon lets be serious, do you think she has any cards in this game to oppose Modi. She has no wherewithal to do that. If Modi can be stopped by Sushma, then forget it, he will be a big flopper as BJP's nominee. My guess is he cant be stopped and will be declared as PM nominee soon. Sushma and co. tried their best to make sure modi is not in the parliamentary board. They tried their best to keep Amit Shah out of UP. They tried playing with the ego of Raman Singh and Chauhan. None of their plans have succeeded. So Lets not overestimate what they can do.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 22 May 2013 20:00

GVL survey has one big flaw, it is only polled in 15 ls seat and is projecting to 80 based on a 'formula' (drived from historical finding and adjustment made yogender yadav style). The right way is to do poll in all 80 (it will be 7 times more costly), but truer picture. This is where he has been repetedly failing. The formula does not work!!

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 20:03

http://www.lensonnews.com/lonspecial/1/ ... urvey.html

Latest Poll:

With Narendra Modi moving to the forefront of national politics and receiving accolades for every speech and every public appearance that he makes, it’s only a question of time before the BJP announces that it will fight the next Lok Sabha polls under his leadership as its PM candidate. Possibly the announcement will come as early as at the two-day national executive meet at Goa on June 8-9.

Against this backdrop, a poll has been conducted by the popular news website LensOnNews.com to gauge the right-wing party’s prospects in the heartland state of UP – which sends the largest contingent of 80 MPs to the Lok Sabha. The survey was designed to explore the two scenarios: the outcome of the coming Lok Sabha election in UP if the BJP were not to declare any PM candidate; and secondly if it were to go into the elections under the leadership of Modi as its candidate for PM.

The survey findings show that the BJP would be a big gainer in the second scenario – ie if it fights the elections under Modi’s leadership. In the first scenario (without any declared candidate for PM), the BJP would be in the third position in a four-cornered contest, behind Mulayam Singh’s SP and Mayawati’s BSP, with the Congress bringing up the rear.

The picture changes dramatically in the second scenario with Narendra Modi as the declared candidate for PM. The BJP vaults to the first place with a 33 percent vote share (against only 20 per cent in the first scenario) and as many as 47 seats of UP’s total of 80 (against only 19 seats otherwise). BJP’s increased share of seats and votes would come at the cost of all the other three contenders, SP, BSP and Congress – in that order.

There is clearly a strong wave of anti-incumbency sentiment against the Congress party and the UPA government at the Centre. As many as 74 per cent of the respondents want a change at the Centre and 53 per cent want their present MP out. Forty-nine per cent see price rise as a major failure of the Central government, while it is its failure on the corruption front that most concerns 22 per cent of the voters. The Congress is in for a steep decline in its vote share, with its seats tally dropping sharply to just 12 in Scenario 1 and a measly 7 seats in Scenario 2.

Clearly, the UP voters want a performance-oriented and corruption-free government at the Centre and see Narendra Modi as the only leader who can provide it. Without such an alternative, UP’s votes get scattered among the four leading parties; but with Modi’s projection as its leader the BJP has the opportunity to run away with the lion’s share of UP’s Lok Sabha seats.

The Samajwadi Party which swept the UP assembly elections last year seems to have squandered its mandate under the leadership of its young CM Akhilesh Yadav. With a majority of the voters disenchanted with the state government due to the dismal law and order situation, power cuts and corruption, the party stands to get only 13 Lok Sabha seats. And, ‘Netaji’ Mulayam Singh, himself an aspirant to be PM, is likely to see his ambitions go nowhere.

Asked about their opinion as to who would make the best PM, 30 per cent of the voters name Narendra Modi, 18 per cent Rahul Gandhi and 16 per cent Mulayam Singh.

The findings of this survey are consistent with our Bihar poll published on May 2 which showed the BJP standing to gain as many as 29 of Bihar’s 40 Lok Sabha seats if it chooses to project Narendra Modi as leader. With such a strong showing in the two leading heartland states (and along with expected gains in Rajasthan, Maharashtra etc), the BJP should be in a favoured position to bid for power at the Centre following the next Lok Sabha elections.

The LensOnNews survey was conducted among a representative cross-sectional sample of 2200 voters in 15 parliamentary constituencies of UP from May 3 to 13, 2013. The poll findings carry a margin of error of four per cent.

My input: For a state with 200 million population, voters about 140 million, 99% confidence level with 4% error margin needs a sample of about 1050. So the sample size is pretty good. I dont know how random and unbiased the survey sample is.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 20:06

fanne wrote:GVL survey has one big flaw, it is only polled in 15 ls seat and is projecting to 80 based on a 'formula' (drived from historical finding and adjustment made yogender yadav style). The right way is to do poll in all 80 (it will be 7 times more costly), but truer picture. This is where he has been repetedly failing. The formula does not work!!

I agree, but I am sure one can find 15 seats that can be very representative of 80. I mean I cant believe that every seat in UP is different. All he has done is taken 1 seat to be representative of 4 other seats around it. I dont see a big flaw here.

Now I just dont agree he has repeatedly failed. He was probably the only pollster who said congress will do well in UP in Lok sabha 2009 even if it failed in 2009 Assembly. He predicted 2012 UP assembly too pretty decent considering the complexity at the assembly level. And of course, he has predicted 2008 KA, MP, Rajasthan correct. His major failing was the 2009 LS overall (and even that was not his official DRS survey, it was a star news survey where he had his inputs).

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 May 2013 20:27

So it will Jaiho NaMo Namah

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 May 2013 20:28

contrary to popular perceptions, NaMo is not a person to take the congi route on sc@wing opponents thru'blackmail.
He will just free the institutions to do their job. This is more legal ethical and true democracy at work.

he has done the same in GJ. He has demolished opponents thru both his positive qualities and the opponents negative qualities.

1) he has no bad vices or corruption issues,
2) he connects directly to people and is very transparent. No politican is like him. he is very responsive to people.
3) Being development oriented politican he is light years ahed of any politican in India. he makes it work by 2).
3) Being a shrewd politician, he tightens the noose around his opponents. This he does by strenghtening the grass roots democracy- giving more power ot local officials, reducing transfers at the whim and fancy of any politican. The local officials know that they a have a time frame of say 2-3 or more years to work and are held accountable to peole and not to politicans.
4) he has freed police and lawyers judges etc. They have tightened scr@ws on local goondas and looters--- the main backbone of any blackmail and intimidation of politicians and fanatics.
5) follows Indian constitution to a T, the most mongst all politicians. he never tinkers with the law compared to congis.
6) His goals are larger than any other politicians can ever fathom.

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The above will work when he the authority to do as in a win for PM with no fetters.
I hope he is able to clean up the corrupt system in India. It is a tall order but he is may be or the only one who has demonstarted the committment to do in India.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 20:32

Muppalla wrote:So it will Jaiho NaMo Namah

Lets see. I am increasing convinced that Advani is the only road block in his way. While others may have issues with Modi, they dont have the wherewithal to stall his nomination. It is just Advani who can do that. I am quite sure that he still has the desire to be PM.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 22 May 2013 20:45

>> contrary to popular perceptions, NaMo is not a person to take the congi route on sc@wing opponents thru'blackmail.
He will just free the institutions to do their job. This is more legal ethical and true democracy at work.

so when congis and corrupt media gets royally screwed .they not be able to cry "political conspiracy" to pu em in jail.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 May 2013 21:09

gakakkad wrote:>> contrary to popular perceptions, NaMo is not a person to take the congi route on sc@wing opponents thru'blackmail.
He will just free the institutions to do their job. This is more legal ethical and true democracy at work.

so when congis and corrupt media gets royally screwed .they not be able to cry "political conspiracy" to pu em in jail.

They will do with their pet media.
1) The institutions when freed will work with vengeance because the congi system corrupts a few creating a huge discontent amongst the rest. This will be potentially tapped by NaMo(by freeing them) when he embarks on his development agenda.
2) Expect the SM to vigorously counteract the congi pressituties and its other minions in lawyers/judges etc.

expect interesting things to happen in favour of India if congi corrupt system gets removed.
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The whole thing will happen only IF congis are booted out whole sale.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 May 2013 22:06

muraliravi wrote:
Muppalla wrote:So it will Jaiho NaMo Namah
Lets see. I am increasing convinced that Advani is the only road block in his way. While others may have issues with Modi, they dont have the wherewithal to stall his nomination. It is just Advani who can do that. I am quite sure that he still has the desire to be PM.

Chandan Mitra is "Loh Purush"s" favorite.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 22:48

GVL in his poll on UP alludes to the fact that Modi may be announced as PM nominee in Goa within 3 weeks. Being a BJP insider (the media adviser to MP CM Shivraj Chauhan), should we take his pointer as an indication that the decision has been made??

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 22 May 2013 23:01

He has been saying that for few months now.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 May 2013 23:23

Sushupti wrote: Chandan Mitra is "Loh Purush"s" favorite.

To be fair, Chandan did publish Swapan Dasgupta's column in the Pioneer, which was extremely critical of Advani.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 May 2013 23:24

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 May 2013 23:28

Pranav wrote:
Sushupti wrote: Chandan Mitra is "Loh Purush"s" favorite.
To be fair, Chandan did publish Swapan Dasgupta's column in the Pioneer, which was extremely critical of Advani.

You have a point.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 May 2013 23:31

fanne wrote:He has been saying that for few months now.

But this is the first time he has given a date

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 May 2013 23:32

It will be foolish to report verbatim any pressittutes report card of any pro or anti NaMo BJP folks.
C urrently many in the BJP leader circle have grown up with Loh purush at his height of popularity when he was younegr and more clearer in thinking. he contiues to have some power.
many who grew up with him know him thru the years. They are also humans with insight.

They will gladly move with new leader when the time comes. For now as in any other party it is a chess game with moves played slowly the chess board.

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All the above occurs because BJP is a democracy relative to die-nasty of congis.
BJP has a natural advantage in the long run being alive. Congis due to its very nature can be cut short with the current crop unless like CBN, jamaai raja does something spectacuar.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 23 May 2013 01:10

Sonia’s image no better than Manmohan’s, reveals survey

The Congress might have assiduously built for Sonia Gandhi the image of a reclusive leader aloof from the mundane affairs of the government, but the Congress president’s wonderful isolation no more insulates her from the failings of the government headed by Manmohan Singh. The party’s effort to keep the prime minister and Sonia separate by judging them on separate yardsticks is apparently falling through.

In uncomplicated words, people have seen through the arrangement where the prime minister takes all the blame for the failures of the government and party president gets away with all the credit for the good work it does.

In 2009, Sonia was perceived better than the latter; however, through the four years till 2013 she has shrunk in public estimation, the study says.

In 2013, Manmohan Singh, despite being the target of public flak from all directions for corruption, poor governance and mismanaging the economy, is marginally better off in public perception than Sonia. The dip in the latter’s case has been perceptible since 2011. This can only be bad news for Congressmen.

They can no longer make any grandstanding over Sonia’s image. People seem more inclined to believe that none of the damage to the country in the form of corruption and otherwise could have been done without the knowledge and tacit approval of the high command.

The Gandhi brand name, as the survey reveals, is sullied. The party may find it difficult to cash in on it, particularly among urban voters.

You can fool all the people some time, some people all the time but not all the people all the time.

The survey says:

MMS: 12%
Sonia: 5%

She even dipped way below the MaunMohanji...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 May 2013 01:40

कश्मीर की जनता भी मोदी के पक्ष में है, पहली बार कश्मीर में हुई भाजपा की रैली

बता दें कि यह वही अनंतनाग जिला है, जहां पर कट्टरपंथी नेताओं की तूती बोलती थी। उनका गढ़ माने जाने वाले इस इलाके में आज तक ऐसी कोई रैली नहीं हुई थी। आज तक कश्मीर में सिर्फ देश के खिलाफ ही नारे लगाए जाते थे. लेकिन आज देश के पक्ष में नारे लगाकर नया इतिहास रचा गया है

http://www.bhaskar.com/article/JK-bjp-f ... 4-NOR.html

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 May 2013 06:04

Advani courts rival Gadkari in plan to checkmate Modi

The wily L K Advani is warming up to bitter rival Nitin Gadkari to checkmate another bête noire - Narendra Modi.

Four months after he played a key role in spoiling Gadkari's chances of getting a second term as BJP president, the patriarch has reached out to the Nagpur strongman supposedly in order to stymie the rise of Gujarat chief minister Modi in the party.

BJP sources said Advani offered Gadkari the chairmanship of the party's campaign committee, a position coveted by Modi as well.

Bearing testimony to the clout Advani still possesses within the party, Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha, Sushma Swaraj, said on Wednesday that the former deputy prime minister was still in the reckoning for the country's top job.

However, it is Advani's overtures to Gadkari that has set tongues wagging in the party.

The duo met for lunch at Advani's residence last month, when he is said to have told Gadkari that he had recommended the latter's name to BJP president Rajnath Singh for the campaign committee chairman's post.

Tug-of-war

Even though Gadkari is keen on the assignment and was particularly relieved at the personal rapprochement with Advani, especially as it could bring him out of the political wilderness, the former BJP chief is reluctant to appear as his nominee.

Gadkari realises that he cannot afford to take sides in the Modi-Advani battle, especially with the Gujarat CM's rapidly rising profile within the party and his popularity among the cadres.

Sources close to Gadkari said his primary backer, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat, has advised him to lie low until the cloud of suspicion around his name gets cleared.

Part of the reason why Gadkari has kept his cards close to his chest is Rajnath's opposition to his appointment.

The two leaders don't share the best of equations. Rajnath appointed Devendra Phadnavis as the Maharashtra BJP chief without consulting Gadkari.

Party sources said Gadkari communicated his displeasure to the party president when the latter sought his advice on the appointment of the prabhari (in-charge) for Maharashtra.

Gadkari's importance in the tug-of-war within the BJP stems from the fact that the party's highest decision making body - the parliamentary board - is evenly balanced between pro- Modi and pro-Advani sections at the moment.

Modi, who is himself a member of the parliamentary board, is said to have the backing of Arun Jaitley, M Venkaiah Naidu and Ram Lal.

But Advani, Swaraj, Murli Manohar Joshi and Ananth Kumar are said to have reservations about his leadership.

At a press conference on Wednesday, apart from projecting Advani as "a possible prime ministerial candidate of the BJP", Swaraj made a few other comments which appeared to queer the pitch for Modi.

"Who our prime minsiterial candidate will be, and whether we will project someone or not, will be decided by the BJP's parliamentary board at an appropriate time," Swaraj said.

She also stressed that the decision would be taken in consultation with NDA allies.

This, too, goes against Modi as the BJP's largest ally, the Janata Dal (United), is vehemently opposed to his candidature.

However, a senior party leader said these attempts were unfair to party cadres, who are overwhelmingly in support of Modi.

"There is little that the parliamentary board can decide now. The cadres have already decided that Modi is their choice," the leader said.

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Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 May 2013 06:08

^^^ There was some buzz about this move by Advani on twitter a few days back. (@vinod_sharma ... it seems he really does get insider info)

I suppose the fact that the IT dept is no longer on Gadkari's back is convenient for both Advani and Maino.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 23 May 2013 06:31

If the dailymail article is correct and this is a big IF, I would say Advani cant do much to spoil modi's chances. simply because if he gets gadkari to support him (which I doubt big time if gadkari would, let me correct and say, Gadkari will not), rajnath will support modi and that makes it 4:4 for modi and advani. In that event Rajnath and RSS will take a final call and they will surely go with Modi.

Now in any event, in all likely hood, gadkari will abstain from the vote or go with Modi.

Reason 1: Advani killed his chances of a 2nd term single handedly. He even opposed the resolution last year that amended BJP constitution to give a 2nd term. Modi supported Gadkari then, but got his pound of flesh by kicking out Sanjay Joshi.

Reason 2: Gadkari's strongest support is from the RSS. The RSS appointee in the BJP is Ram Lal who supports Modi.

So there is no way Gadkari will go out of the way and support Advani.

So Advani will not have any more than these 3 backers (MM Joshi, Sushma and Ananth Kumar) that he has now. I really doubt if MM Joshi will support Advani for PM even if he is opposed to Modi. In any event he will not get more tha 3 votes.

As for Modi is concerned, he has his 3, but he can get either Gadkari (RSS for sure wants BJP back in power and wants Advani out) or Rajnath (rajnath supports modi these days, Amit Shah appointment, supporting modi over gadkari for the campaign commitee chief).

Any event, gadkari cant vote advani, he can abstain at best. Rajnath wont go with Advani, he has to win the election to be of any relevance.

So either both or one of them vote modi or both abstain. Even if both abstain, then it is a tie.

if it is a tie, the decision is voted on by a larger group. We all know what the result will be.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 May 2013 06:35

^ +1.

Perception matters too. LKA is a setting sun. Nobody would depend their fortunes on him, unless they are duds to begin with.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 May 2013 06:41

RSS does not like Advani, but it has to be seen whether the RSS will regard him as the "lesser evil".

When the media was attacking Gadkari, there were some tall RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi of being the mastermind. Just like Pakis accuse Yindoos for any misfortune that befalls them.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 23 May 2013 06:56

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ttarget=no

More on the same issue. Read the last few paras, reinforces my point, rajnath will oppose gadkari as campaign chief, and gadkari will oppose Advani and support ram lal/rss/modi. But bottom line is the extent to which these brokers will go to oppose modi, shameful indeed. take a internal poll guys.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 23 May 2013 06:59

Pranav wrote:RSS does not like Advani, but it has to be seen whether the RSS will regard him as the "lesser evil".

When the media was attacking Gadkari, there were some tall RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi of being the mastermind. Just like Pakis accuse Yindoos for any misfortune that befalls them.

Ok, here is the deal. Modi knew what kind of quagmire he is getting into before all this started. He knew his friends and enemies in the board and the rss. He will not be wasting time in all this and send his guy to UP if he knew that he is going to lose this battle.

So the dice is cast, Modi is BJP's nominee. Just wait for the formal announcement. As i said, even if gadkari supports advani, rajnath will end up siding with modi and then it is a tie. After that it will be modi.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 May 2013 07:27

‏@vinod_sharma
Modi was denied permission by D4 to address presser to take on UPA on anniversary. AJ & SS were deployed instead!
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130523/j ... Z4qzYe1GIU