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Sushupti wrote:‏@vinod_sharma
Modi was denied permission by D4 to address presser to take on UPA on anniversary. AJ & SS were deployed instead!
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130523/j ... Z4qzYe1GIU
Also from that article -
During a recent interview to a TV channel, Sushma, asked about party president Rajnath Singh’s description of Modi as the “most popular leader”, had said: “It is his (Rajnath’s) personal opinion.”
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muraliravi wrote: So the dice is cast, Modi is BJP's nominee. Just wait for the formal announcement.
IMO not wise to declare victory when the battle is just beginning. As you can see Advani, Sushma & Co have their knives out.

They may not be able to win their own seats, but they have a strangle-hold on party machinery and can count on full support from Maino and the EC.
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Pranav wrote:
muraliravi wrote: So the dice is cast, Modi is BJP's nominee. Just wait for the formal announcement.
IMO not wise to declare victory when the battle is just beginning. As you can see Advani, Sushma & Co have their knives out for Modi.

They may not be able to win their own seats, but they have a strangle-hold on party machinery and can count on full support from Maino and the EC.
Boss it is not lka as and co, it is just 4 people. They can't do much, just wait, people always desert a sinking ship in politics.
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Gadkari was nothing but RSS' MMS in Delhi. He can't swat even a fly without RSS support. Had Modi agreed to take BJP president post he would have got it. RSS isn't going to bet on Advani any more. If any of those RSS stalwarts e.g. Sheshadri, Sudarshan type, were alive today Loh Pursuh would have been retired long back. Bhagwat is too modest and respectful to send Loh Purush packing.
After Advani lost the battle with the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangha, he could no longer be party president or have a decisive say in the final presidential choice. Nor, because of his advancing years, was he allowed to attend to day-to-day and parliamentary affairs of the party, so he made Sushma Swaraj and Jaitley joint leaders. That he got the idea for this from the Sonia-Manmohan Singh experiment may not be obvious, but to criticize one and not recognize the similar failure of the other is odd if not opportunistic. Indeed, the failure of the Bharatiya Janata Party’s central leadership to squarely confront the evil United Progressive Alliance rule is a consequence of this divided authority, and blame especially Sushma Swaraj and Advani for their tepid and reluctant anti-Congressism.

http://www.newsinsight.net/GoforModi.aspx#page=page-1
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The Daily Mail article is BS of the HIGHEST order and the further inference that "RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.

Some details posted by Sushupti in above post are correct.

There is too much of FUD being passed around by the media and agenda-wale analysts. To recall, when Gadkari was appointed, he was proclaimed as close to LKA and was going to tie up Namo. Then, he supposedly did a U-turn and joined Namo "camp". After some time, came the claim that he was again opposed to Namo and now it is being rumoured that LKA has offered some post to him in his tent.

Can't the poor Gadkari afford a proper tent, the media has made him into a rent-a -tenter ? The most "high point" came when some Teesta-lookalike land-shark waved posters, calendar and banner (?) of Gadkari standing in front of some mill/factory and screamed
Dekho dekho, Gadkari standing, smiling, shaking hands in front of the mill.
Mill belongs to Gadkari onlee
Gadkari corrupt onlee .. RSS corrupt onlee... hee hee hee



This is absurdity of another class itself. Even if the said mill has investments of ownership by Gadkari and others, does it make him Vadra?

Now that the case against Gadkari is crumbling, the same agenda-wale are claiming the INC has incorporated him to cause damage to Modi? Even if we take this statement at face value, it begs the questions: How will Gadkari put a spanner in Modi's rise? In MH, the people in charge are Munde's close aides, which DDM and others claim is opposed to Gadkari. So no potential of mischief in funds collection. The people overlooking MH in board panel are dummies, perhaps appointed to placate Modi as he demanded close say in MH, RJ, UP. So, no chance of Gadkari doing damage in seat allocation. Now that he has been said to be a Dilli lightweight, he can't do any mischief there also. So this begs the question, how is he going to cause any harm?

Perhaps the simple explanation is Mohan Bhagwat, Gadkari, Namo and others that matter are on the same page when it comes to deciding what is to be decided and at what moment.

Of course, INC will keep playing its games to hunt, tie down and bind people and funds, and media will keep spreading disinfo on people.
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The Daily Mail article is BS of the HIGHEST order and the further inference that "RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
Why are Gora papers taking so much interest in Indian elections and chances of Modi?
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varunkumar wrote:
The Daily Mail article is BS of the HIGHEST order and the further inference that "RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
Why are Gora papers taking so much interest in Indian elections and chances of Modi?

vatican and saudi interests will be adversely impacted onlee
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varunkumar wrote:
The Daily Mail article is BS of the HIGHEST order and the further inference that "RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
Why are Gora papers taking so much interest in Indian elections and chances of Modi?
It appears that the same article was initially published in Headlines Today ... Daily May just be a subscriber to a News Feed.
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Nitish Kumar resumes Sewa Yatra after Narendra Modi's attack on his yatras

Poor nitish's sentiments were hurt when namo actually took potshots at his eminence (gasp!). Yawn. Onlee. The likes of nitish need to be shown their place.
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AjayKK wrote:"RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
See for example Modi behind campaign against Gadkari, says Vaidya - http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 088343.ece
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Meanwhile, the economic times of all papers, miraculously divines the bjp's "3-pronged" UP strategy.

ET must have sources deep inside bjp's musharraf to yield such gems on demand, methinks.

Helps also that the journo's name is 'Amita Shah'. Subtle hints at Amit Shah himself being the source perhaps, eh?

BJP’s revival strategy in UP hinges on Narendra Modi
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It appears that the same article was initially published in Headlines Today ... Daily May just be a subscriber to a News Feed.
Healdines Today (India Today Group) and Daily Mail have a tie up by which they bring out Delhi paper called Mail Today. However, why would Daily Mail be publishing the story?
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AjayKK wrote:The Daily Mail article is BS of the HIGHEST order and the further inference that "RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
+1, there are weathercocks around who swing at the slighest breeze, one common item is their constant love for foul mouthing BJP members, ostensibly because they are against Modi (it is completely irrelevant that a shred of proof may not exist) -- who has not been left alone? AJ, SS, SSC, Chandan Mitra everybody is basically a bad bad person.

And some of these are AAP type or Govindacharya type strongly anti BJP units? Whom are they fooling here?
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NaMo was spoken of even at that time. And a lot happened around him. I would say an acceptable thing for politics. A politician who cannot bat for himself is not a good idea. He will end up batting for others.

Though I doubt if you have heard the last of Gadkari.

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Sanku wrote:
AjayKK wrote:The Daily Mail article is BS of the HIGHEST order and the further inference that "RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
+1, there are weathercocks around who swing at the slighest breeze, one common item is their constant love for foul mouthing BJP members, ostensibly because they are against Modi (it is completely irrelevant that a shred of proof may not exist) -- who has not been left alone? AJ, SS, SSC, Chandan Mitra everybody is basically a bad bad person.

And some of these are AAP type or Govindacharya type strongly anti BJP units? Whom are they fooling here?
Here is how "Loh Purush" can become PM. As you claim to have direct access to him, you can pass on this to him. Given the level of secular purity achieved by "Loh Purush" he is a fit candidate to play Raul's MMS. That's the only way he can full fill his dream of becoming PM of India. :D

Jokes apart i never see you complaining about the descend BJP has been brought into by "Loh Purush" and his minions post 2004. Whom are u fooling here?.
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First Yoga university in the country to come up in Gujarat

Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi is set to inaugurate Lakulish Yoga University, claimed to be the first ever such private sector self-financed institution in the country, on May 23, at Ahmedabad, which has been set up by the Surendranagar-based Life Mission Trust.

"Ours will be the first ever Yoga University in the country which will award full fledged degrees after three years' course," newly appointed vice chancellor of the university Bansidhar Upadhyay said.
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Sushupti wrote:
Jokes apart i never see you complaining about
So why are you worried about that Sushupti, you are already on record of your great hate from both ABV and LKA as well as most of Sangh. So you should be happy if under the leadership of such jokers BJP goes down so that it can achieve the goals of ideologues who believe that Sangh should make sure that the story RJB and other Indian temples reach every Hindu before they can win every seat?

So I am some how not impressed by your "care" for BJP given how much you dislike most of it.

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As far as I am concerned I am not a weathercock which will swing with every passing victory or defeat, neither do I think politics is a halwa which is only to be eaten, I have good idea of the real challenges in politics, and those who are like "oh BJP can do so well only if they simply listened to my very obvious advice" make me go :rotfl: .

In any case I do not see BJP as going down (LS seats are not the only indicator -- take a look at RS numbers for example), I see BJP as some what stable on the whole, with boths ups and downs. Of course it needs to break free from the current impasse, but I dont see how a misplaced :(( :(( is relevant to the situation.
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Congress mouth piece outlook confirms my hunch.

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=798876

Cong Non-Committal on Aligning With RJD for LS Polls

Lalu Prasad may have been one of the prominent invitees at the UPA anniversary dinner yesterday, but the Congress appears to be non-committal on aligning with the RJD in the next Lok Sabha elections.

A senior Congress leader, who declined to be identified, said, "In match making, one sees many eligible boys or girls as prospective brides or grooms. Nothing is finalised till marriage is decided. Ditto is the case of alliances."

He was apparently suggesting that elections are still far away.

Despite not being part of the UPA-II, Prasad as also LJP chief Ram Vilas Paswan were on the dais when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh presented the Report to the People on the fourth anniversary of the government.

Prasad and Paswan, whose parties were part of the UPA-I, have been for long seeking an alliance with Congress. Their parties are supporting the UPA-II from outside.

In recent months, there has been intense speculation about Bihar Chief Minister and JD-U leader Nitish Kumar quitting NDA to join hands with Congress, which had fought the last Lok Sabha election on its own breaking off ties with RJD.

Only recently, in a move to position itself neutrally in Bihar ahead of next Lok Sabha elections, Congress had spoken of its 'Ekla Chalo' (go alone) stand claiming "equidistance" from both JD-U and Prasad's RJD.

Party spokesperson Shakeel Ahmed had maintained that Congress is still in "no mood" to ally with any party for the next elections there.

"We are fully engaged in expanding our base in Bihar against Nitish Kumar and Lalu Prasad. We have an equal distance from both the parties. We are trying to find our own path. We are not aligning with any party," he had said.

Prasad, when asked last night whether Congress would include his party in UPA, had remarked "whether it happens or not, we are going to support them". The RJD chief is wary of the growing warmth in ties between Congress and Kumar, who is against projection of Narendra Modi as NDA's Prime Ministerial candidate.


Cong and RJD will go together. Congress is only trying to lure Nitish so that he takes a tough posture on Modi and BJP goes ballistic and ditches Nitish. Once the reach a point of no reconciliation, congress will go with lalu simply becos cong+lalu vote share far exceeds cong+nitish. Then it will be cong+lalu+paswan vs bjp vs jdu. BJP will be toast in bihar in such a scenario (modi or no modi).

All the surveys which show bihar data, show only 2 scenarios, bjp+jdu vs cong vs rjd+ljp or they show the scene where bjp projects modi (bjp vs jd(u) vs cong vs rjd+ljp). C'mon guys and even GVL, you cant be so naive, cong will go with lalu, take that for granted. And if NDA stays intact, and cong goes with lalu, NDA projections in bihar will be down from 34 to 20. So that will shrink the gap by 28.

So lets see averaging the recent surveys (without Modi Factor), UPA is at 140 and NDA at 190. With this change in Bihar UPA will go up to 155 and NDA will come down to 175.

With Modi polls project NDA at an average of 210 and UPA at 150. With this change in bihar and losing nitish BJP will be down on projections from 18 to 6. JD(U) will come from 9 to 5. UPA will get 150 + congress gain due to split in NDA and alliance with Lalu and just addition of Lalu to UPA. So they will get 25 in Bihar. Earlier projection even if modi is projected for UPA in Bihar was just congress = 2 seats. So add 23 now. So NDA will be 210-12 = 198. UPA will be 173.

This state is getting more pivotal. All polls are crap if they think Congress wont go with lalu.
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Pranav wrote:
AjayKK wrote:"RSS leaders who were openly and bitterly accusing Modi..like Pakis accuse Yindoos " is further BS of the exotic variety.
See for example Modi behind campaign against Gadkari, says Vaidya - http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 088343.ece
Didn't people question Sri Vaidya when they thought he left Baba Ramdev high and dry in delhi?
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Sanku wrote:
In any case I do not see BJP as going down (LS seats are not the only indicator -- take a look at RS numbers for example), I see BJP as some what stable on the whole, with boths ups and downs. Of course it needs to break free from the current impasse, but I dont see how a misplaced :(( :(( is relevant to the situation.
And you think "Loh Purush", who has been treading the path of "Jiyo aur Jine Do" in last 10 years, is the best leader to break the impasse.
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I can confirm that Inc will go with lalu, seat sharing is already almost in place - this info is directly from those who are contesting.
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Sushupti wrote:
Sanku wrote:
In any case I do not see BJP as going down (LS seats are not the only indicator -- take a look at RS numbers for example), I see BJP as some what stable on the whole, with boths ups and downs. Of course it needs to break free from the current impasse, but I dont see how a misplaced :(( :(( is relevant to the situation.
And you think "Loh Purush", who has been treading the path of "Jiyo aur Jine Do" in last 10 years, is the best leader to break the impasse.

I actually think the following
The impasse will be broken by bjp collective and changes in ground situation
Despite my having explained the above before now and later you won't get it and we will keep repeating the same
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Sanku wrote:I can confirm that Inc will go with lalu, seat sharing is already almost in place - this info is directly from those who are contesting.
Good, that confirms my hunch. Now all BJP has to do is make a simple decision.

If Lalu and Paswan go with INC:

NDA with JD(U) will get 20 seats.

NDA without JD(U) which is just BJP in Bihar will get 6 seats.

Can Modi swing more than 14 seats in the rest of India for the BJP? If he can, go for him, if not just go to polls without a candidate.

Because in Bihar, with modi or without modi, no difference if Lalu, paswan and INC go together, BJP contesting alone will win only 6 seats.

With regards to modi swinging 14 seats in the rest of India, I am 60% confident he can, but I cant be 100% sure. Reason being that most of the polls bank on him swinging BJP in a big way in UP. While it can be true, I have my own doubts. As far as rest of India goes, they show him swinging Bihar also, but as I explained, he can only swing bihar if everyone goes alone, he cant do much if lalu teams with INC. Other than that, I dont see him swinging much in other parts. Even lensonnews poll, which is the most optimistic poll for BJP says he can swing as many as 55 seats for BJP (13 to 29 in Bihar, 19 to 47 in UP and these 2 account for 44 of the 55). So rest of India he can swing only 11 seats which is fairly correct, since BJP will get seats in those states in its own accord and does not need a major swing. Delhi and stuff they are anyway winning. So that 11 is lesser than the 14 NDA loses. So it all boils to one state where Modi has to turn it around UTTAR PRADESH.
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^ :)

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If INC is indeed going with RJD and has reached advanced levels of talks, then no doubt such is common knowledge among all of bihar's parties. If despite that nitish insists on soosai then no point blaming namo or bjp for the split, imo.

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Hari Seldon wrote:If INC is indeed going with RJD and has reached advanced levels of talks, then no doubt such is common knowledge among all of bihar's parties. If despite that nitish insists on soosai then no point blaming namo or bjp for the split, imo.

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BJP should keep a plan ready for the scenario of Con+RJD+JDU.
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Advaniji's current actions remind me of those of King Shantanu of Mahabharat. Shantanu's lust for Satyavati prevented the rightful (and capable) heir from ascending to the throne. This injustice to Bhishma blighted the throne and sowed the seeds of the fratricidal war that consumed the Kuruvansh, and with it most of the warriors of India at that time.

In LKA's case it is his lust for the PM's chair that is making him try to prevent the rightful and capable heir (NaMo) from ascending to the throne at the right time.

Whatever their past achievements, as of now I don't think that Advani, Ananth kumar, Sushma Swaraj, and MM Joshi together can win a single Lok Sabha seat on their own. They should all fall in line, or be kicked out of the BJP Parliamentary Board.
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Here is the plan of Advani & coterie -

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NaMo will be given a chance to be the public face and make speeches around the country, but the sale of tickets will be fully controlled by Advani & RSS tall Netas. Advani would obviously have liked to control the sale by himself, but since he cannot fight NaMo alone, he has to accept an alliance with the same RSS tall Netas whom he hates.
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Sushupti wrote: BJP should keep a plan ready for the scenario of Con+RJD+JDU.
This is not going to happen. Elections and votebanks are not just math. It is a conditional math.
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It will be interesting to see if the self-confessed Anglophile Swapan Dasgupta adjusts his view on Modi post his recent trip to the UK.
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pandyan wrote:Namo has to prove himself within the party and rally enough backers. If he is not able to bubble to the top within his own party, how can he become the PM of the country. So, it is the vetting process that is kicking in and he sure will have a strategy to figure how to be the PM material.
Yep, the process of bubbling up necessarily has to involve removing the dead wood that will fight to retain their strangle-hold.

Let us see if NaMo is up to it.
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Rift between Modi, Swaraj at BJP meet


Talk of an apparent rift between Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi and Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha and senior BJP leader Sushma Swaraj was doing the rounds as the latter walked out of the first meeting of the party’s Parliamentary Board on Thursday.

At the meeting, sources said, Modi was calling all the shots. Take them (UPA) on, target them on their weaknesses and also on what they call their achievements, Modi apparently had advised the central leaders much to their displeasure.

Sources say Swaraj informed Modi that is exactly what they were doing. She pointed out that she and Arun Jaitley would be jointly addressing the media on the morning of the UPA’s anniversary (which they did), precisely for that purpose.

Modi’s other advice that the party should make full use of social media also did not hold good for Swaraj, who is already active and popular on twitter.

Despite her clearing the air, the talk of a strain between the two is hardly going away. Many in the BJP admit that the projection or the speculation over Modi becoming the party’s prime ministerial candidate has not gone down well with Swaraj. As the Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha, Swaraj is supposed to be the “shadow prime minister”, so any speculation contrary to that undermines her position.

Says a senior BJP leader, “Sushmaji has a point, it hurts the dignity of the position she holds. It’s not just politics, she has a constitutionally defined role to play.’’

But what brought the internal debate in the BJP to the fore and to the extent that the Congress rejoiced in relief was Swaraj’s own statement on Thursday. She asserted that the BJP allies, that is NDA constituents, would be consulted on who can be the coalition’s face for the 2014 elections, if at all someone is projected.

“Whether we will have a (Prime Ministerial) face or not and if we decide to have a face, who it will be, these issues will be decided by the BJP Parliamentary Board in consultation with NDA partners,’’ Swaraj said.

The main question before the BJP is whether to project Modi as the party’s face for elections in 2014.



http://newindianexpress.com/nation/Rift ... 603384.ece
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Sushma Swaraj's anger was very much evident in her press conference, when she said that MaMo being most popular was only Rajnath's "personal opinion".

Re Gadkari - as President, he had already stated in clear terms that NaMo would not be projected as PM candidate.
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Pranav wrote: Re Gadkari - as President, he had already stated in clear terms that NaMo would not be projected as PM candidate.
No he never said that.
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Sanku wrote:
Pranav wrote: Re Gadkari - as President, he had already stated in clear terms that NaMo would not be projected as PM candidate.
No he never said that.
I don't know why the Advani coterie is not more up front about their visceral and adamant opposition to Modi. Why should they be afraid of the people?

As regards Gadkari, he had indeed said that there was no question of projecting Modi as PM candidate, hear it in his own words on video - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/bjp- ... 36675.html
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Sankuji,

Despite your vehement assertions (and no, am not proud to be on the same page as an AAP trojan on this one), does seem like there is an undercurrent of power-struggle going on at present in the BJP's highest echelons. Might as well admit to it than pretend this is allan elaborate chankian ploy played to scripted perfection.

I have no doubt Sushma or LKA would very much like to be POM if PMship were offered on a platter (sadly,m this is BJP and not INC where such offers are possible). That said, the only hope is their damage potential can well be contained and re-channeled since they do not seem to mind hurting the party's chances should namo continue his ascent.

Anyway, JMTPs and all only.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Sankuji,
Despite your vehement assertions (and no, am not proud to be on the same page as an AAP trojan on this one), does seem like there is an undercurrent of power-struggle going on at present in the BJP's highest echelons.
Hari-ji I believe you misunderstand me, is there a power struggle in BJP? Yes there is. In a party which is not completely authoritarian one leader type party, there will always be power struggles. I have never denied that

However what is ALSO true, is that
1) BJP also a mechanism for handling that, for better or for worse -- and this is not driven merely by individual aspirants, but by RSS who has no aspirations of personal power. Hence neutral and looking at bigger picture.

2) A power struggle in political party is a HEALTHY thing. I do not subscribe to the view that seeking for better position necessarily means venom, hate and personal prejudices.

3) I am not going to bad mouth anyone only because they may not see eye to eye for the future leadership of BJP.
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