Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

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vivek.rao wrote:
Gen. Pervez Musharraf is believed to have returned to Pakistan after obtaining the blessings of a Turkish cleric, Shaik Nazim Al Qabrisi, leader of the Sufi Naqshbandi sect of Islam who lives in Cyprus.

Encouraging Musharraf to return to Pakistan, the Shaikh told the former military dictator, he will become ruler of all Muslims up to Delhi, but cautioned him to be careful of his enemies. The Shaikh told Musharraf "bring all Indian people under the flag of Islam," to which the general replied:

"I will always remember these words. They will be my guide for the future." Astonishing.
Sheikh Nazim al-Qibrisi is surprisingly popular as a guru in the subcontinent's Muslim community, even with many Indian Muslims. thousands hang on every word of his. Among other things, he believes the Earth is 7000 years old, and the Prophet said that the lifespan of the Muslim community would not last more than 1500 years max., and therefore the end of the world must surely be near.

In a video at the end of 2011 he seems upset and angry, filled with disappointment in the Muslim world, and "predicting" that several Muslim regimes will collapse - including Pakistan. He said democracies - which are a bad thing - would be finished, and a sultanate would come in its place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93iL06ykhgo
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Encouraging Musharraf to return to Pakistan, the Shaikh told the former military dictator, he will become ruler of all Muslims up to Delhi, but cautioned him to be careful of his enemies. The Shaikh told Musharraf "bring all Indian people under the flag of Islam," to which the general replied:
The only way to bring down this fantasy dream is to bring down the TSP project.

There is lot of thought looking at the people in the region as if they own them
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Encouraging Musharraf to return to Pakistan, the Shaikh told the former military dictator, he will become ruler of all Muslims up to Delhi, but cautioned him to be careful of his enemies. The Shaikh told Musharraf "bring all Indian people under the flag of Islam," to which the general replied:
One delusional dickhead leading another delusional dickhead to his doom :mrgreen:
Sheikh Nazim al-Qibrisi is surprisingly popular as a guru in the subcontinent's Muslim community, even with many Indian Muslims. thousands hang on every word of his. Among other things, he believes the Earth is 7000 years old, and the Prophet said that the lifespan of the Muslim community would not last more than 1500 years max., and therefore the end of the world must surely be near.
some one needs to remind that old fart that the earth and humanity was alive and thriving before the muslims came around and despite that hiccup will thrive after their elimination after 1500 years.
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Izlamic jihad against polio workers continue in pakisatan :mrgreen: . Pakisatan will not rest before eliminating polio workers from its country.

Gunmen kill polio worker in Peshawar
Gunmen shot dead a female anti-polio worker in northwest Pakistan on Tuesday, police said, the latest in a series of deadly attacks on vaccination teams.

The two attackers on a motorbike opened fire on the team as they went to administer polio drops on the edge of the city of Peshawar.

"One lady worker was killed and another wounded in the attack on the first day of a three-day campaign meant for areas on the outskirts of Peshawar," local police official Shafi Ullah told AFP.

An official in the city's Lady Reading hospital confirmed the death.

No one has claimed responsibility for the killing.
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Pakis as usual getting izlamic death. Unlike kafirs, muzlims get glorious death either by Bullets or Bombs.

Road bomb kills 5 cops
Five police officers were killed in a mountain roadside bombing as they returned from the funeral of a fellow officer killed in an ambush a day earlier.

The bomb was set off by remote control and destroyed the vehicle of Khan Bahadur, deputy superintendent of police, who was among those killed.

It happened near the village of Periani in the Shangla district, in the country's north-west.

Islamic extremist militants operating in Pakistan's north-west are suspected.
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SSridhar wrote:
I was disappointed. I expected an announcement regarding ceasing all operations.
SSridhar Ji,

The Pakistanis, having high regards for you, will not let you be disappointed.

The Article merited a “Full Posting”. Here are some more salient points which prove that the their Railways are “nearly closed” :
At present, the Pakistan Railways has been facing shortage of fuel for operating passenger trains, which are only 12 all over the country. Ironically, the railway authorities are unable to run even a single freight train, which is the major source of income, both for the department as well as the government.
Even last year, the railways had increased fares twice by 25 per cent with the excuse of improving the condition of trains. Not only this, in the middle of 2012, on the recommendation of the federal government, the railways started taking fuel charges from passengers, which resulted in further increase in fares, sources said.
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Many BRFites have asked this question: Why do pakis show their inner pakistaniyat on Fridin? Apparently al-kitab provides that answer:

"Muslims who happen to die on Friday or on Friday eve are exonerated, by Allah, from the fitna (torments) of the grave."
Musnad Ahmad (arabic) # 6546


Mystery solved, kufrs.
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Peregrine wrote:The Pakistanis, having high regards for you, will not let you be disappointed.
:rotfl:
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Pakis eliminated yet another kufr shia family. Alllah will justly reward the perpetrators who did this holly act on the day of judgement. :mrgreen:

During pakistan movement: sunnis, shias, ahmedias were against Hindus and Sikhs
After Paki independence: sunnis & shias were against Hindus, Sikhs & Ahmedias
21's century pakisatan : Sunnis against Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmedias & Shias

Sectarian violence: Shia SHC lawyer, sons shot dead in Karachi
A Sindh High Court lawyer and his two sons aged 12 and 15 were killed near Mauripur Road, Karachi on Tuesday, Express News reported.

Men, on a motorbike, gunned down lawyer Kausar Saqlain and his sons Owais Abbas and Mohammad Abbas as he took them to school.

The sons died on the spot, while Saqlain sustained severe injuries and was shifted to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his wounds.
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Peregrine wrote: Pakistan Railways ready to drop bombshell on passengers
At present, the Pakistan Railways has been facing shortage of fuel for operating passenger trains, which are only 12 all over the country. Ironically, the railway authorities are unable to run even a single freight train, which is the major source of income, both for the department as well as the government.
Even last year, the railways had increased fares twice by 25 per cent with the excuse of improving the condition of trains. Not only this, in the middle of 2012, on the recommendation of the federal government, the railways started taking fuel charges from passengers, which resulted in further increase in fares, sources said.
For the benefit of Paklurks:

Compared to to the 12 trains run by Pak railway on daily basis, Indian Railways run 14,300 trains daily, now chew on this!
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Dipanker, kafir, Allah has given them invisible Djinn trains. Now, what do you have ?
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kish wrote:Pakis as usual getting izlamic death. Unlike kafirs, muzlims get glorious death either by Bullets or Bombs.
IMVHO The last sentence is not quite required.
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old man says pakistan will terk-a-jerk, but hindustan will terk-a maaza.
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Dipanker wrote:
For the benefit of Paklurks:

Compared to to the 12 trains run by Pak railway on daily basis, Indian Railways run 14,300 trains daily, now chew on this!
Dipanker Ji :

I trust you know that One Terroristani TAFT Train is equal to 1200 SDRE Trains!

Meantime of the Power Crisis Phront :

'Tragedy' Pakistan has nukes but no power : Nawaz
Pakistan's incoming prime minister Nawaz Sharif Tuesday admitted it was a “tragedy” that a country with a nuclear arsenal was crippled by chronic electricity shortages.
Please do not expect that we will solve this energy problems in days,” [in years - if not - in decades] he told an audience in Lahore.

“We will try our best and will use all our resources to solve this problem but you will have to show patience. I cannot give you an exact timeframe but I will struggle and will do my best.”
Mr. Sharif should appoint Captain Imran "Tsunami" Khan who will solve this energy problem - if not in Nine Days then - in Ninety Days!

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I tried to search for pak railway timetable on their official website. I got "Train Timings Page is temporary unavailable for mantinance.....". Then tried to plan my journey and I got "Plan Your Journey Page is temporary unavailable for mantinance...."

Or may be pak railway is 'temporary unavailable'.
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Protesters block national highway over loadshedding in Balochistan
Members of Growers Action Committee staged a protest demonstration and blocked Quetta-Chaman highway in Pishin district to protest over prolonged load shedding.

The blockade resulted in suspension of traffic between neighboring Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Nato supply was also off the road during the protest. “Qesco has forced us to come on roads to save our crops”, Syed Abdul Qahar Agha, a protesting grower, told Dawn.com.

He claimed that power outages had caused growers financial losses worth billions of rupees. “Whenever our crop and orchard season arrives, Qesco suspends power supply”, Agha lamented.

He claimed growers were left with no option other than coming out on the roads and protesting against power outages.

Growers also blocked the National Highway linking Quetta with Karachi at Mastung. Long queues of trucks and other small vehicles were witnessed on the highways.

Passengers waiting in buses and mini wagons suffered the most. Moreover, women and children were also affected by the growers’ agitation.

Growers claim that there are 18 to 20 hours load shedding in Pishin, Killa Abdullah, Khuzdar, Kalat, Mastung and other parts of central and northern Balochistan.
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‘Imported’ power minister left for Bahrain, leaving Pakistan in dark
some snippets...
Forcing the entire nation to bear up to 20 hours of load shedding owing to the mismanagement of the ministry, Caretaker Federal Minister for Water and Power Dr Musadik Malik left for Bahrain on a private visit.

Sources said the minister is visiting Bahrain for his personal consultancy work and will be back after three days.
Taking advantage of the situation, his official spokesman and PRO of the ministry Tanveer Aalam has gone to Murree to ‘chill’ and avoid load shedding. :rotfl:
Despite serving as a strategist and giving expert opinion and best of the best strategies to various countries :shock: , he totally remained unable to give and implement any strategy to best manage the available energy resources of Pakistan and minimise load shedding.
The minister was not available for comments, while his spokesman Tanveer Aalam had switched off his phone. After repeated attempts, his phone was on and was picked by some female, who responded by saying that Mr Tanveer was driving a car to Murree and could not talk.
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Is the alphabet 'c' missing form that expert's name?
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^^ Do note the spelling of 'Maintenance' on paki railway official page -> mantinance
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Dipanker wrote:
For the benefit of Paklurks:

Compared to to the 12 trains run by Pak railway on daily basis, Indian Railways run 14,300 trains daily, now chew on this!
Bah ....... , typical poor Indian Kaafir Hindu Brahmin Baniya thinking. The rich Mohammadden Momin of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have graduated beyond recourse to plebeian public transport and are into individual modes of mechanical transport when they are not harking back to their claimed Arab and Central Asian horsemen ancestry and galloping around on horses.
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SSridhar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:The Pakistanis, having high regards for you, will not let you be disappointed.
:rotfl:
Last week some , head some one showering the highest blessings on Pakistan. I think we too over here wish the best, pray for its health, longs for its growth and love its warmth and protect it from all the elements by keeping It in our Pants.
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US should ask Pakisatan to use fissile material from some of it's bombs to generate electricity. Let them promise aids worth $ 786 trillion. Bechaare kab tak ghaas khayenge :P
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What is the relevance of 786 to Muslims? I used to see many autorickshaws in India with that number painted. One of my dad's Muslim friend told him that any number with digits adding to 21 was "lucky".
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^^^ It is the number of particular aayat (verse) in Koran that says "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger." Verse no. 786: "LA ILAHA ILL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASOOL ALLAH." This is considered the most sacred verse where God reveals the name of his messenger.
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SSridhar wrote:
I was disappointed. I expected an announcement regarding ceasing all operations.
If I were a Baki editor(nauzubillah) I would be careful about using phrases like Baki railways ready to drop bombshell on passengers. :roll:
Anyway Bakis are good at railing against everything so that makes momeen rail > kuffar rail.

If you think the Baki fables about riding out of steppes on horses and looting and conquering kuffar land was only in the past, think again:

http://dawn.com/2013/05/27/pia-peacekeepers/
The picture one got was that as soon as a PIA flight lands in the city, small shopkeepers such as corner and grocery stores (enterprises that can’t afford expensive security measures) and hotels (where the crew are accommodated) start pulling down their shutters to defend themselves against a wave of petty crime that they know will follow: towels, bathrobes, gowns and tea kettles stolen from hotel rooms, packets of crisps, biscuits and similar items from friendly Mr Singh’s little concern
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KJoishy wrote:What is the relevance of 786 to Muslims? I used to see many autorickshaws in India with that number painted. One of my dad's Muslim friend told him that any number with digits adding to 21 was "lucky".
Take a 1000 stribes for not reading the holy book (I mean the BRF Dictionary) :evil: :evil: . Its defined right here. BTW you will also find that Akshay Kumar's motorbike in the movie Oh My God has the registration number 786. This practice is frowned upon by the pure from the middle east.
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KJoishy wrote:What is the relevance of 786 to Muslims? I used to see many autorickshaws in India with that number painted. One of my dad's Muslim friend told him that any number with digits adding to 21 was "lucky".
786 what it is?

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In the film Deewar, Amitabh Bachan has the number for his ID badge and moves on to greater crimes.
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An important opinion piece in "The News" (posting in full) with lots of details about the economy. This post needs to be revisitied in 5 years when Nawab Sharif's term comes to an end to compare his work against Zardari's.
Fiscal indiscipline: the ruinous surge
Dr Ashfaque H Khan
Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - From Print Edition

Five years of misgovernance by the previous regime have not only destroyed the economy of Pakistan and damaged its institutions but also drowned the country under a deluge of debt, which our children and grandchildren will continue to pay for through higher taxation in the future.

Why should we worry about high and rising debt? Because it constitutes a serious threat to economic prosperity for a number of reasons: it acts as a major impediment to growth and hence to employment creation and poverty alleviation. Rising debt also discourages both foreign and domestic investment. Further, it puts pressure on the exchange rate thereby causing sharp depreciation with an attendant rise in public debt and inflation.

The current state of Pakistan’s economy reflects the adverse consequences of rising debt. Public and external debts have grown over the last five years at an unprecedented pace. Public debt (both rupee and dollar components of debt) has increased at an average rate of 21.5 percent per annum in the last five years (2008-2012). It has risen from Rs6 trillion in June 2008 to Rs13.6 trillion by end-March 2013. In other words, the country has added Rs7.6 trillion to public debt in less than five years.

Within public debt, it is the domestic debt that has grown at a faster pace (24.1 percent per annum) than external debt. For Pakistan, the extraordinary surge in domestic debt is more worrisome because it is relatively more expensive. Interest payments at over Rs1.0 trillion in 2012-13 have emerged as the single largest component of budgetary expenditure of which the interest payment on domestic debt accounted for over 90 percent of the total. Persistence of large budget deficit and decline in external flows has forced the government to rely heavily on domestic sources to finance the budgetary gap in recent years.

Within domestic debt, the composition of debt has witnessed considerable changes in the last five years. Medium-to-long term debt has been converted into short-term debt (one year and less) with serious consequences for the government’s debt management. Today, more than 54 percent of domestic debt (Rs8.8 trillion) is of short maturity, which must be rolled over at least once a year.

Pakistan’s external debt and liabilities (EDL) reached $66 billion by September 2012 from $46 billion in June 2008, but these declined to $61 billion by March 2013 owing to the suspension of external flows on the one hand and continued repayment of external debt on the other. Had it not been for the suspension of the IMF programme in May 2010, Pakistan would have added another $8-9 billion in debt at the minimum. In other words, Pakistan’s EDL would have tipped over the $74-75 billion mark by now.


What are the factors responsible for the unprecedented surge in public debt over the last five years? The most prominent factors include persistence of large fiscal and current account deficits, sharp depreciation of exchange rate (the Shaukat Tarin phenomenon), and unrestrained borrowing with pride and pleasure. The depreciation of the exchange rate alone has added Rs1500 billion or 18.5 percent to the increase in public debt. The previous regime will always be remembered for adding more debt in five years than the total accumulation of debt in 60 years.

The role of the former finance advisor has equally been important in drowning the country under debt. The advisor had negotiated a programme with the IMF and borrowed over $11 billion resources from them. He never realised that Pakistan would have to repay such a huge amount to the IMF within a couple of years of the completion of the programme. Perhaps he also never realised the consequences of rising debt and bequeathing a mountain of debt to be serviced by the children of Pakistan for decades to come.

The finance advisor also headed the National Finance Commission (NFC) and came out with an award which has in-built manufacturing defects and has sowed the seeds of a perpetual macroeconomic crisis in the country. The NFC Award encouraged provinces to become fiscally irresponsible, promoting fiscal indiscipline that resulted in large fiscal deficit. Financing of a large fiscal deficit, along with a sharp depreciation of the rupee, contributed to the unprecedented surge in public debt. The sharp depreciation of the rupee also contributed immensely to the build-up of the current circular debt leading to energy crisis and persistence of inflationary pressures.

As a result of the blunder committed by the former finance advisor, Pakistan is now on the verge of default. In the absence of external flows owing to the suspension of the IMF programme, the SBP has lost over $8 billion in its reserves on account of debt repayment, including the payment to the IMF since July 2011. The reserves have dipped to a dangerously low level and by June 30, 2013 it is likely to reach $3.0-3.5 billion (excluding forward buying of the SBP). In all probability, the contribution of former finance advisor in drowning the country under debt, aggravating the circular debt issue, and sowing the seeds of a perpetual macroeconomic crisis will never be forgotten by the people of Pakistan in general and students of economics in particular.

What needs to be done to reduce the country’s debt burden? First, the new government will have to make credible efforts to bring the budget deficit down to 3.0-3.5 percent of GDP by the end of its tenure. Reduction in budget deficit must come largely from raising tax resources by broadening tax bases, reducing tax rates and strengthening the tax administration. Expenditure rationalisation should be the integral part of deficit reduction exercise. The government will have to take bold decision regarding the PSEs. The sooner they are privatised, the better it is for the economy and debt consolidation.

Second, stability in the exchange rate is vital for reducing the country’s debt burden. Third, economic revival should be an integral part of the debt reduction strategy. Fourth, a vibrant debt office of the Ministry of Finance is absolutely essential for managing the country’s debt. Currently, this office has become totally dysfunctional. Fifth, without removing manufacturing defects of the NFC Award, there can never be fiscal discipline in the country and hence no reduction in debt burden. Finally, the life of the Fiscal Responsibility and Debt Limitation Act 2005 will be over by June 30, 2013. The new government must enact a new law to inject financial discipline in the country.

Every child is born today with a debt of Rs83,000. This unprecedented surge in debt is the road to ruin. Can our political leadership rise to the occasion and consolidate the country’s debt?

The writer is principal and dean at NUST Business School (NBS) Islamabad.
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ramana wrote:In the film Deewar, Amitabh Bachan has the number for his ID badge and moves on to greater crimes.
That might be due to the Haji Mastan connection.
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RajeshA wrote:
KJoishy wrote:What is the relevance of 786 to Muslims? I used to see many autorickshaws in India with that number painted. One of my dad's Muslim friend told him that any number with digits adding to 21 was "lucky".
786 what it is?
The Arabic Allah word is just the reverse of Om written horizently .
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Another opinion piece in "The News" (posting in full). This lady is a living specimen of Paki behaviour. Look at the para below in blue and the bolded choice of words used by her to describe the scenario. The TSP witch, with an intent to use nuclear weapons should still be considered a Pak (pure) damsel in distress where as Indian forces after being hit with nuclear weapon by TSPA and retaliating with a massive nuclear response are the Napak wolves.

Nuclear bluster or dialogue?
Dr Maleeha Lodhi
Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - From Print Edition
The writer is special adviser to the Jang Group/Geo and a former envoy to the US and the UK.

What should be made of a distinguished former Indian foreign secretary’s assertions about his country’s nuclear posture and policy? In a speech last month in Delhi, Shyam Saran made several pronouncements about the evolution of India’s nuclear policy and the current status of its nuclear deterrent.

He cast these remarks as his personal views. But Saran is current chairman `of India’s National Security Advisory Board. Many in India and outside saw his statements as articulating official policy on a sensitive issue, while maintaining deniability. The Times of India, for example, said Saran was “placing on record India’s official nuclear posture with the full concurrence of the highest levels of nuclear policymakers in Delhi”. And Islamabad asked Delhi for an official clarification.

Saran’s assertions merit careful consideration. It is not surprising that he is irked by “adulatory remarks” in “Western literature” about the safe and secure custody of Pakistan’s nuclear assets by the ‘Strategic Planning Group’ (presumably he means the Strategic Plans Division). Insisting this is unmerited as the military has stewardship of these assets, Saran overlooks the fact that it is the National Command Authority headed by the prime minister that is Pakistan’s apex nuclear authority. Saran also disapproves of the international community’s growing acknowledgement of the security-driven nature of Pakistan’s nuclear programme. He strains to explain that India’s nuclear capability is security not prestige-driven – an explanation that has come four decades too late.

However, the most consequential part of his speech for Pakistan’s security policymakers is where he presents a scenario that culminates with India engaging in “massive nuclear retaliation” against Pakistan. He posits an escalatory ladder that presumably starts with a sub-conventional event or terrorist attack, after which Pakistan tries to dissuade India from carrying out punitive conventional retaliation, by deploying its tactical nuclear weapons. India responds by using strategic weapons. Saran warns that any nuclear attack – whether by strategic or tactical weapons – would be met by “massive retaliation” from India.(Note: This has always been India's nuclear posture that any attack on India by nuclear weapons will invite a massive nuclear retaliation. So if you use nuke against India then you will be nuked out of existence. Phir na kehna that you were not warned.) This will be “designed to inflict unacceptable damage on its adversary”. “Any nuclear exchange once initiated, would swiftly and inexorably escalate to the strategic level”. “Pakistan”, he declares, should “be prudent not to assume otherwise as it sometimes appears to do, most recently by developing and perhaps deploying theatre nuclear weapons”.

Several of Saran’s assumptions are open to question. First there is a presumption that Pakistan’s decision to develop battlefield nuclear weapons represents a nuclear war-fighting option. Official spokesmen have repeatedly said that Pakistan regards the surface-to-surface solid fuel-based Hatf IX (Nasr), or any additional battlefield weapon that may subsequently be developed, as primarily weapons of deterrence(Note: She does not say weapons of nuclear deterrence i.e. Even if India retaliates in conventional sense TSP will go nuclear at the drop of the hat i.e. TSP will deter conventional war from India by using a Nuclear weapon.) . Their purpose is to reinforce deterrence and restore nuclear stability that has been disturbed by i) growing conventional asymmetry in the region as India’s military build-up continues; ii) provocative Indian military doctrines that aim to bring conventional military offensives to a tactical level and iii) India’s development of ballistic missile defence (BMD) systems, whose purpose is to neutralise Pakistan’s strategic capabilities.

As for Saran’s claim that “significant shifts” in Pakistan’s nuclear posture have altered the regional nuclear equation, the fact is that Islamabad remains committed to its nuclear policy of achieving credible nuclear deterrence at the lowest practical level. The central tenet of its nuclear policy is for its capability to be maintained for the purpose of deterrence against aggression and war-prevention in all its manifestations, thereby preserving peace. Pakistan also believes that credible deterrence requires appropriate levels of conventional and nuclear capabilities to be developed and maintained.

Most importantly Saran’s escalatory scenario lays bare an underlying frustration that India’s Cold Start Doctrine, now known as “proactive operations”, has been challenged if not blunted by Pakistan’s TNW response. That is why this emerges as the main thrust of his remarks and leads him to depict TNWs as “nuclear blackmail” by Pakistan. In doing so he also reaffirms the Indian intent to preserve the limited war option and prevent Cold Start from being rendered irrelevant.

That Saran believes that India can or should consider a punitive war against its nuclear neighbour in retaliation for an act of terror carried out by a non-state actor is disconcerting enough. But he then warns that if Pakistan tried to deter an Indian conventional attack by its TNWs, India would retaliate with nuclear weapons. This represents dangerous thinking. But the strategic hole in Saran’s escalatory scenario is this. In holding out the threat of “massive retaliation” he fails to factor in Pakistan’s full spectrum capabilities to counter “massive retaliation” not to speak of its potent second strike capability. It is surprising why this typical but dangerous Mutually Assured Destruction scenario has not been carefully thought through to its logical conclusion.

One interpretation of why Saran has focused attention on TNWs and declared a “massive retaliation” Indian response is that this seeks to play on Western fears about the risks of inducting battlefield nuclear weapons and the nuclear danger this could expose the region to. This may be designed to galvanise international pressure on Pakistan to abandon the TNW option. In the unlikely event that this were to happen it would ‘restore’ Cold Start and re-establish India’s conventional military edge over Pakistan.

The rationale for Pakistan’s decision to pursue a TNW capability is well known. It bears repetition to understand why there appears to be mounting Indian frustration with this development as indicated by Saran’s speech. Pakistan perceived a number of rapid developments in the past decade to adversely affect the region’s strategic equilibrium established after the 1998 nuclear tests conducted by both countries. They included the Indo-US civilian nuclear deal and the NSG exemption under which India was enabled to conclude fuel supply agreements with many countries. These significantly enhanced India’s ability to expand its strategic arsenal and in turn altered Pakistan’s security calculations.

Meanwhile, the new Indian military doctrine and efforts to develop BMD, which came on the back of these developments, became game-changers. The effort to find space for limited conventional engagement below the nuclear threshold impelled Pakistan to seek a response at the tactical level in the nuclear domain. In trying to call Pakistan’s ‘nuclear bluff’ by operationalising proactive war-fighting strategies, these Indian moves urged Pakistan to develop TNWs to deter Cold Start and re-establish nuclear stability. By adding another layer to the country’s deterrence capability Hatf IX aimed to close the gap at the operational and tactical level.

Against this backdrop what Saran now seems to be signalling is that if Pakistan thinks it can deter limited conventional war by tactical nuclear weapons then India too has options and can use strategic weapons in “massive retaliation”. This makes little strategic sense but it is dangerous talk in a situation where there is a delicate balance in a strategic relationship that remains undefined between the nuclear neighbours.

Nuclear powers do not define their relations by threats or bluster. The only answer to new and old dilemmas created by the region’s nuclearisation is for both nations to engage seriously and constructively to build a better understanding of each other’s nuclear policy, doctrines and postures. This means advancing the nuclear dialogue with the aim of putting in place credible and meaningful confidence building measures in both the strategic and conventional military spheres.

The glacial progress on CBMs in expert-level talks over the past decade underscores the need to step up that effort. Indian officials have generally been dismissive about Pakistan’s proposal for a Strategic Restraint Regime. This has three interlocking elements designed to achieve strategic stability – measures for nuclear restraint, conventional military balance and resolution of disputes. Even if Delhi finds it difficult to accept the linkage between these components of strategic stability, the separate proposals tabled in these areas are worthy of consideration.

The two countries have a mutual interest in stabilising their nuclear relationship. The way forward is not by ill-thought nuclear signalling but in engaging substantively to narrow the perception gaps and address the issues that lie at the root of both countries’ security predicaments and the region’s nuclearisation.
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From "The News" article (posting in full). Another pearl in the Chinese string circling India.
China assumes charge of Gwadar Port
May 23, 2013 - Updated 1535 PKT
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ISLAMABAD: China has formally assumed charge of Pakistan’s deep-water Gwadar Port following an agreement signed between the two countries in February this year.

Three companies including China Port Holding, China Merchant and Cosco Shipping would be responsible for the handling of Gwadar port.

Beijing would help Islamabad construct a road, which would link the port with the Coastal High Way. Beside this, China would also provide financial add to complete the project.
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So Shyam Sharam has managed to rattle the Pakis' cage.

I found that speech well articulated and of impeccable logic.
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KJoishy wrote:What is the relevance of 786 to Muslims? I used to see many autorickshaws in India with that number painted. One of my dad's Muslim friend told him that any number with digits adding to 21 was "lucky".
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http://dawn.com/2013/05/29/nawaz-to-tak ... f-sources/
Na Awaz to take on foreign, defence portfolios himself: sources
SLAMABAD: Pakistan Prime Minister-elect Nawaz Sharif will oversee the sensitive foreign and defence portfolios as he seeks to forge a working partnership with the all-powerful military in the early days of his tenure, sources close to him said on Tuesday.Instead, he will select a retired civil servant as an adviser on foreign affairs – Tariq Fatemi, a former ambassador to the United States and the European Union, the sources said.“The incoming government and the army need to be on the same page on key foreign policy issues, not least Pakistan’s relations with Afghanistan, India and the United States,” a PML-N insider told Reuters, requesting anonymity as he was not authorised to speak to the media about the issue.The United States wants ally Pakistan to help rein in the Afghan Taliban before most Nato combat troops pull out of Afghanistan in 2014.Pakistan’s arch rival, India, with which Pakistan has fought three wars since 1947, is constantly a perceived threat.Pakistan is beset by high unemployment, a failing economy, widespread poverty, a Taliban insurgency and sectarian violence.“Supporting Western-backed attempts to engage with Taliban leaders in Afghanistan; what to do about India – until the government’s policy contours are crystal clear, the prime minister is not willing to take any risks,” the insider said.
Sharif was a protégé of military dictator General Zia ul-Haq in the 1980s. But he was overthrown by General Pervez Musharraf because he refused to allow an airliner carrying the army chief to land in Pakistan.In the last days of his election campaign, Sharif spoke openly against what he called a “flawed” US war on terror, raising questions about which direction he would try to push the trajectory of bilateral relations.
“Handling the US, Afghanistan and India after foreign troops withdraw from Afghanistan will be a very tough job,” another PML-N source said.“Right now, Sharif has decided he’s the best man to do this delicate dance. He won’t take the chance of someone else making a mess in the early days of his government.”
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Agnimitra wrote:
Funny thing I remember after watching this video is mushy in his biography "in line of fire" claims his childhood years were spent in turkey where his abba was posted and he is very fluent in turkish. It took him lot of effort to learn urdu after coming to karachi. He says that with pride and glee of typical pakjabi slavish mentality where knowing arabic and turkish is considered an virtue and cherry topping this is not knowing punjabi and urdu. Looking at this video all he could utter was one sentence in turkish which I assume is how are you doing. typical feku pakjabi lies. Finally not just kargil pages looks likes everything in that trash book is a big lie. Gosh I need to ask allah to give me back those 5-6 hrs I wasted reading that nonsense
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 6Y#t=1824s
Nawaz' New Poaqman Tarek Fat-Ammi to Deal with Yinddians
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Desperate times, desperate measures : New govt to sell bonds worth $5b to keep lights on
ISLAMABAD : The incoming government plans to sell $5 billion in treasury bills to pay off a chain of debt choking the country’s power sector and its economy and boost electricity output by a quarter – all within its first 100 days in power.
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They plan to use Treasury Bills as fuel for fools to get electriciy.
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