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Austin wrote:
Lets assume if Bashar stepped down today or is forced too will this solve the Syria issue or will fighting stop ?
way things stand, the sunnis will progress immediately to a massive genocide against the alawites - who will flee to the hills and spill over into the lebanon, immediately resparking a civil war there, and creating enough worries in tel aviv to start off another war against all comers (see comment on 'liberation of golan' by asad in other post)

whilst syrian patriotic sunnis might want to stop once they have taken power, the wahabbis and foreign guests may not be happy unless a talibanised government is put in place. KSA et al., may want a more radical outcome. Turkey and Iran will be forced to get involved, Russia is standing by with important oil investments in the background

things are poised on the edge of a precipice
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Lalmohan Thanks for your inputs , Seems like the Syrian issue has triggered something that no one knows how it will span out , Not sure what was in their mind before starting this initiative specially by GCC.
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IMO Assad should not have made this statement, he should keep a low profile with respect to Israel, and let Putin discourage Netanyahu from any further bombing.
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It is to demoralise rebels further, also to convey to them Russia's solid support against western allies. Until now Russians have backed off when going got tough & when the west decided to play their games in ME.
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the S300 is a signal to israel first, turkey second
there have already been skirmishes on the turkish border
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Austin wrote:Lalmohan Thanks for your inputs , Seems like the Syrian issue has triggered something that no one knows how it will span out , Not sure what was in their mind before starting this initiative specially by GCC.
absolutely - the entire arab spring and breakup of the old power bases is unpredictable (well... it is predictable in a sense if you look at it with a green lens)

what is India's interest? i think any outcome where a radical sunni power base is established is not good news for us; it will encourage the wild and wooly barbarians to our west
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It would be interesting if true that S-300 actually exisit on Syrian soil , Most likely they would be manned by Russians and could end up in port city of Tartus where Russian ships are based just like Yakhont.

Ofcourse the next strike on Syria by Israel Airforce wont go unpunished and if the next strike involves attacking S-300 or Yakhont where there is visible loss of Russian Military personal then the dynamics would change.

Israel has little threat from S-300 unless it wants to strike inside Syria which would make Israel the aggressor it had already done twice.
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Lalmohan wrote:absolutely - the entire arab spring and breakup of the old power bases is unpredictable (well... it is predictable in a sense if you look at it with a green lens)
Most likely Libya success by rebels would have encouraged the Sunni Arabs to plan their own little revolution in Syria which can be mopped in 3 months , Even the UN chief at one point mentioned that Libya operation would serve as useful template for future take over something which was condemned by Russia and China.

As far as India goes yes with the withdrawal of ISAF in 2014 means in few years ISI would be the boss and back to its usual tactics of supporting Pakistan Taliban and if Salaffi/Sunni take over Syria they would all come back to their nest in Afghanistan and from there we can expect our own little backlash in Kashmir.
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Shyamd, Answering my question of what would an Alawite victory in Syria mean? You answered the geopolitical aspect which shows why Russia is so insistent on supporting the Assad regime.

I think it means the radical Sunni tide will ebb and take out the sponsors Bahrain and Eastern KSA.
In Islamic history it was the defeat of Ali by Muwayia in Syrian plains(battle of Siffin) that established Sunni power over Shia faction.
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the levant has been the strategic battleground since the dawn of time - nothing changes...
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Syrian opposition puts forward conditions to the world
Syria’s National coalition of opposition forces will take part in the coming conference on Syria in Geneva only under a number of conditions. This is what the coalition’s press service announced on Thursday.

Namely, these conditions are that detachments of Iran’s armed forces and of the Lebanese group “Hezbollah” should withdraw from the Syrian city of El Quseir and stop besieging other Syrian cities.

One day before, on Wednesday, the Syrian opposition’s coalition put forward another condition under which it will take part in the Geneva conference. The condition is that Syria’s current President Bashar al-Assad should resign and that the world community should determine a date before which he should do it.
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McCain unsure whether he met with rebel kidnapper during Syria trip

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/3 ... Syria-trip#
To be fair* to John McCain, his staff says the he's not sure if the reports that he met with a rebel kidnapper during his Syria trip are accurate:Senator John McCain’s office is pushing back against reports that while visiting Syria this week he posed in a photo with rebels who kidnapped 11 Lebanese Shi’ite pilgrims.The photo, released by McCain’s office, shows McCain with a group of rebels. Among them are two men identified in the Lebanese press as Mohamed Nour and Abu Ibrahim, two of the kidnappers of the group from Lebanon.
A McCain spokesman said that no one who met with McCain identified themselves by either of those names.And if those reports are accurate, they say it was totally an accident:
[McCain spokesman Brian] Rogers said that if the man in the photo turns out to actually be Mohamed Nour, that is “regrettable.”
McCain's office suggests that maybe Assad is trying to frame him, but on the other hand says that maybe the story is correct, in which case McCain never intended for it to happen.I guess the bottom line here is that John McCain just isn't sure with whom he met. But he is sure of one thing: President Obama needs to listen to whoever they were and get America militarily involved in Syria by by enforcing a no-fly zone and supplying weapons:The rebels told McCain, a prominent critic of what he calls the Obama administration’s inaction on Syria, they wanted the United States to being supplying weapons and enforcing a no-fly zone in the country.“Their message was, to be frank with you: they do not understand,” he said. “They do not understand why we won’t help them.”Well that makes total sense. McCain meets with some strangers, isn't able to vouch for their identity, but says the U.S. military should take on the responsibility of grounding the Syrian air force while we ship weapons to a bunch of people he clearly doesn't know.What could possibly go wrong?*Also, to be fair to McCain, he didn't know Sarah Palin was a joke before tapping her as his VP nominee.
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Syria Says It Has Russian Missiles
http://www.alan.com/2013/05/30/syria-sa ... -missiles/
Syrian President Bashar Assad says he’s received a shipment of anti-aircraft missiles from Russia.Assad’s comment on the arrival of the long-range S-300 air defense missiles in Syria, which was made in an interview with Lebanon’s Hezbollah-owned TV station, could further ratchet up tensions in the region and undermine any to hold any peace talks.
Israel’s defense chief, Moshe Yaalon, said earlier this week that Russia’s plan to supply Syria with the weapons was a threat and that Israel was prepared to use force to stop the delivery.
Hezbollah’s Al-Manar TV released Assad’s comments on the Russian missiles in print, through its breaking news service Thursday morning.“Syria has received the first shipment of Russian anti-aircraft S-300 rockets,” the TV quoted Assad as saying. The Syrian leader added: “All our agreements with Russia will be implemented and parts of them have already been implemented.”
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ramana wrote:Shyamd, Answering my question of what would an Alawite victory in Syria mean? You answered the geopolitical aspect which shows why Russia is so insistent on supporting the Assad regime.

I think it means the radical Sunni tide will ebb and take out the sponsors Bahrain and Eastern KSA.
In Islamic history it was the defeat of Ali by Muwayia in Syrian plains(battle of Siffin) that established Sunni power over Shia faction.
They have said from day 1 that this is war with Iran and even if they win they will feel the effects in the peninsula. They know about it. Things looking explosive at the moment. Iran has bought all their allies - contingent of Iranians, Houthi (Yemen) and Iraqi Shia have arrived in Damascus. Jihadi websites even reporting Shia Bahraini/East KSA residents among "martyred".

Iran saved $100bn for war with the west - they are expending this now clearly as Rafsanjani said last week regime has got no money.

Everyone knows Geneva II will fail. Plan B is a military solution to the conflict.. There will be a military exercise in the next few weeks on prep. Brennan came to Israel asking for Israel HUMINT support, a former Mossad walla says the Israelis have a better picture of internal situation than the Syrian Mukhabarat. This guy used to infil/exfil out of Syria.

I think the west may have to seize the Chem weapons sites first or they will want Air Force intel to disobey orders from Asad once attack launched. I revealed last month west intel walla has been visiting some of the sites and communicating with AF intel guys.

NFZ will be easier than most people think. Will consist of missile strikes on runways etc and strategic sites.

S300 - likelihood is that Russian advisors will have to operate, it takes time to gain competence with the system and Syrians aren't known for it.
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shyamd wrote: Everyone knows Geneva II will fail. Plan B is a military solution to the conflict.
That is just repeating the failed line of the deluded Qatari emir. The fool has been asking for Plan B for nearly a year, and he has no chance of getting anywhere. For sure, NATO will not fight a war to hand over a huge piece of Middle East real estate to Al Qaeda, from where to destabilise Iraq (lotsa yummy oil boyz!), Jordan, Lebanon, etc.

Its very simple. The West has 4 concerns in the Middle East: (i) Oil (like), (ii) Israel (like), (iii) Terrorism (don't like), (iv) Mullah with WMD (don't like). Assad's continuation in power does not threaten any of these 4 objectives. If Al Qaeda takes over Syria, objectives (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv) (chemical weapons) get negatively impacted.
shyamd wrote: NFZ will be easier than most people think. Will consist of missile strikes on runways etc and strategic sites.
This line is just more deluded Qatari nonsense. There is no legal basis whatsoever for NFZ.
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ekalavya wrote:
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Its very simple. The West has 4 concerns in the Middle East: (i) Oil (like), (ii) Israel (like), (iii) Terrorism (don't like), (iv) Mullah with WMD (don't like). Assad's continuation in power does not threaten any of these 4 objectives. If Al Qaeda takes over Syria, objectives (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv) (chemical weapons) get negatively impacted.

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Then why is the West so vocal in ousting Assad and arming fundamentalist terrorists?

I think they thought they can oust Assad whom they dont like and manage the transition.
Misfortunately its not turning out that way.

The SAMs is to demoralize the terrorist rebels and at same time bolster their own supporters.
It also warns outside powers to keep off. But if they use cruise missiles from subs then things will be different.
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shyamd wrote: I think the west may have to seize the Chem weapons sites first or they will want Air Force intel to disobey orders from Asad once attack launched. I revealed last month west intel walla has been visiting some of the sites and communicating with AF intel guys.
There is no clarity yet about who used the Chem weapons, or whether they were used at all. The rebels said that Assad's forces used them while there were reports about the Turks and a UN investigator saying that the rebels might have used them. I know who I'm going to believe.
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ramana wrote: Then why is the West so vocal in ousting Assad and arming fundamentalist terrorists?

I think they thought they can oust Assad whom they dont like and manage the transition.
Misfortunately its not turning out that way.
Assad's human rights record is pretty atrocious; so governments in the West have to make a show of condemning him, and anyway, as the yanks say, "talk is cheap".

I expect the Saudis and the Qataris also throw a few trinkets (little deals here and there) to the Western powers (UK and France being more susceptible to this sort of inducement) in return for their diplomatic backing.

Getting rid of the Alawite regime in Syria also has the benefit of weakening Iran and Hezbollah, so there is some upside there for the West, but the West also realises that if the price of getting rid of Assad is to hand over Syria to Al Qaeda, the cure will be far worse than the disease.

No easy options for anybody here
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^^ you completely miss the point I am making. I am saying that if the west is to destroy regime infrastructure or create a NFZ, they will likely have to take out the chemical weapons to prevent them being used against Israel, Jordan, Turkey and any other western base they can hit in retaliation. Asad stated position in public is that they will use them against "external aggressors"

On that note Turks arrested a jihadi cell with 2Kg of Sarin. Press reports Governor saying it was "unknown chemical substance".
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There is no way Assad will use chemical weapons against Israel or Turkey. He knows he will not last for 1 week if he trys to pull a stunt like that, and unlike the Qatari emir, he is not that stupid.
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Yeah and the US/Israel/Jo is gonna take a chance on the lives of their citizens/soldiers/regional allies because Eklavya said so? You can see israels reaction to the S300, all bets off when it comes to CW.

And by the way Asads friends had to hold him off retaliating after the last Israeli strikes.
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shyamd, you and the Qatari emir are hallucinating about a NATO attack on Syria which is not coming. Once you understand that simple point, you will get out of the faulty logic loop.
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Ok let's just ignore all the public testimonies and the statements of Obama, congressional testimonies of officials, regional allies on the subject. Anyway Time will tell... In the meantime, lets wait for those S300s to attempt to go operational.
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shyamd wrote:Ok let's just ignore all the public testimonies and the statements of Obama, congressional testimonies of officials, regional allies on the subject. Anyway Time will tell... In the meantime, lets wait for those S300s to attempt to go operational.
You've been going on and on how the Assad regime is going to collapse for a long time now. I welcome the "time will tell" comment.
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And since I've said it what's happened? Asad has lost the north pretty much - the financial lifeline for the country. He hasn't got great control over the south. His finances depend on the Iranians who just gave him $4bn a few days ago and the Russians who print his bank notes. You have had his own family moving to Dubai.

If he chooses to hold on to his seat until someone walks into the palace and puts a bullet into his head then that's his decision.
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shyamd wrote:Ok let's just ignore all the public testimonies and the statements of Obama, congressional testimonies of officials, regional allies on the subject. Anyway Time will tell...
What's changed for Obama to change his mind? He has refused to intervene thus far and there is no sign he is changing his mind. Why should he hand over Syria to Al Qaeda? Some people like the stupid Qatari emir just keep ignoring the obvious answer (i.e. nothing has changed and nothing is worse for the US than an Al Qaeda ruled Syria, because that will cost the US government $1tn and 3,000 lives down the line).
shyamd wrote: In the meantime, lets wait for those S300s to attempt to go operational.
The S300s are completely irrelevant to the fight on the ground. The S300s are just a symbol of Russian political support, nothing else. Russia has decided to not give the West easy diplomatic and military victories like in Libya; the S300s are just a symbolic show of support, nothing else. If it was a tactical issue, no one would be taking about it, least of all the Syrians.
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shyamd wrote:If he chooses to hold on to his seat until someone walks into the palace and puts a bullet into his head then that's his decision.
When will that happen?
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The New Yorker:
THE THIN RED LINE
Inside the White House debate over Syria
BY DEXTER FILKINS
MAY 13, 2013

In May, the senior American official who is involved in Syria policy met me at his office in Washington. When I asked him to predict Syria’s future, he got up from his desk and walked over to a large map of the country which was tacked to his wall. “You could have a situation where the more secular rebel groups could well be fighting the more Islamist-oriented groups,” he said. “We are already getting that in places like Deir ez-Zor, in the east. In Aleppo, they fight each other.” Pointing to an area near the Turkish border, he said, “We see fighting between Kurdish and Arab militias up in the north.” Elsewhere, there were Druze militias, members of a small religious community most often associated with Lebanon. “They have had some clashes with the Free Syrian Army. And here is my favorite. Christians are now setting up their own militia.

“What does that sound like? Lebanon. But it’s Lebanon on steroids.” He walked back to his desk and sat down. “The Syria I have just drawn for you—I call it the Sinkhole,’’ he said. “I think there is an appreciation, even at the highest levels, of how this is getting steadily worse. This is the discomfort you see with the President, and it’s not just the President. It’s everybody.” No matter how well intentioned the advocates of military intervention are, he suggested, getting involved in a situation as complex and dynamic as the Syrian civil war could be a foolish risk. The cost of saving lives may simply be too high. “Whereas we had a crisis in Iraq that was contained—it was very awful for us and the Iraqis—this time it will be harder to contain,” he said. “Four million refugees going into Lebanon and Jordan is not the kind of problem we had going into Iraq.” In a year, he estimated, Lebanon alone could have four million refugees, doubling the population of the country. “Jordan will close its borders, and then you will have tens of thousands of refugees huddling down close to that border for safety.”

The rapid growth of Al Qaeda in Syria is deeply troubling, he said. “In February, 2012, they were tiny. No more than a few dozen. Now, fast-forward fourteen months. They are in Aleppo. They are in Damascus. They are in Homs.” In Iraq, he said, “They didn’t grow so fast and they didn’t cover all the big cities. In Syria, they do.” Also, he pointed out, there were no chemical weapons in Iraq, as there are in Syria. “We will have a greater risk, the longer this goes on, that the bad guys—they are all bad guys, but I mean terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Islamist extremist groups—will acquire some of these weapons. How do you plan for that? The longer the war goes on, the more the extremists will gain.” Indeed, the longer the war goes on, the greater the threat that it will engulf the entire region.

The official said that the United States’ quandary was clear enough: “Iraq was a searing experience—to see our kids out there, out on those checkpoints, and they don’t speak Arabic, and they don’t know what the ****** is going on around them. I know there is a debate on military intervention. I cannot recommend it to the President unless there is a very clearly defined political way back out. People on the Hill ask me, ‘Why can’t we do a no-fly zone? Why can’t we do military strikes?’ Of course we can do these things. The issue is, where does it stop?” ♦
Financial Times:
Watch what the west does on Syria, not what it says
May 27, 2013 5:31 pm
By Gideon Rachman

As the world edges towards a peace conference on Syria, three ideas about the west’s role in the conflict are widely accepted. First, that the longer the conflict goes on, the greater the chances of direct or indirect western military intervention. Second, that there is a deep and bitter division between the US and Russia that is making progress much harder. Third, that the Syrian civil war is dominating western thinking on the Middle East. Few people publicly dispute these propositions. And yet they are all distinctly questionable.

To start with, there actually is no single “western” view on Syria. As the bitter debate on whether to lift the EU arms embargo reveals, European countries are deeply divided. France and Britain want to be able to supply weapons to the rebels. Germany remains very sceptical.

There are also divisions within countries. In the US, John Kerry, the new secretary of state, is an activist who wants to arm the rebels. President Barack Obama remains opposed. On both sides of the Atlantic, the intelligence and security establishments tend to take a more cautious line than the politicians and diplomats.

In recent months, and despite the mounting death toll, the debate has swung in the direction of the non-interventionists. That is partly because the view of the nature of the conflict has subtly changed. As one EU minister puts it: “We thought we were dealing with democratic protests that would topple Bashar al-Assad very quickly. In fact, it’s a civil war, and Mr Assad has substantial internal support.” What is more, while there is genuine horror at the actions of the Syrian regime, there is also deep wariness of the strength of jihadists in the opposition. “The longer this thing goes on,” says one senior British official, “the harder it is to pick sides.”

Such a view, of course, is not official UK policy. On the contrary, David Cameron’s government continues to push to arm the more moderate rebels. The interventionists argue that, unless the west supports the “right” people, jihadists are even more likely to take control of the Syrian opposition.

Yet faith in the west’s ability to pick democratic winners among rebel forces has been weakened by the continuing deterioration of the situation in Libya. Although Libya has been chalked up as a successful western intervention, the aftermath has not been pretty. Large parts of the country are lawless. And in the cities, says one western official, “the jihadists are holding a gun to the head of the democrats”. The pro-interventionists counter that a failure to mount a humanitarian intervention in Syria would stoke the anti-western sentiment that fuels terrorism. But counter-terrorism officials are more cynical, arguing that any western intervention in Syria, whatever the motive, is liable to encourage terrorist “blowback” into our own societies.

This growing fear of the rise of violent Islamism across the Middle East means the divisions between the Russian and US positions are now less stark. The high point of western indignation probably came in February 2012, when Hillary Clinton, then US secretary of state, called Russia’s position on Syria “despicable”. Even now, US and EU officials find plenty to dislike about Moscow’s support for the Assad regime, ascribing it to paranoia about western intentions or to the Kremlin’s desire to keep a naval base in the region. Yet behind the scenes, there is also recognition that Russian warnings about jihadism have merit. “The Russians kept telling us we were naive,” says one western minister, “and maybe we were.”

It was Russia’s failure to veto a UN resolution on Libya that opened the door to western military intervention against Colonel Muammer Gaddafi. The Russians have now made clear that they will block any similar resolutions over Syria. But, given growing western doubts about intervention, that Russian roadblock at the UN may actually suit the US and the EU.

There is a third reason for western inaction on Syria: Iran. Anxiety about its progress towards a nuclear bomb is rising once again. Some of those who argue that the US and its allies may ultimately have to attack Iranian nuclear facilities are warning against military involvement in Syria – which they argue would be the wrong conflict. “Syria would be a war of choice, but Iran would be a war of necessity,” says one western official.

Again, the arguments are hardly straightforward. There is a counter-argument that civil war in Syria is a more significant threat to regional stability than an Iranian bomb that does not yet exist. And even some of those who take the Iranian threat very seriously argue that the best way to deal a blow to the regime in Tehran is to topple its regional ally – the Assad regime in Damascus.

Amid all these cold calculations, the growing death toll in Syria can slide out of view. Why start a war with Iran rather than try to stop a war in Syria? That partly depends on what you think is most important. For those western officials who ultimately take a classical “realist” view of foreign policy – and Mr Obama may be among them – the first duty of foreign policy is to protect your own state and citizens against threats to their security. That means worries about jihadists in Syria or about the Iranian bomb continue to rank higher than the desire to topple the Assad regime.
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ramana wrote:Or will it be Lebanon?

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1463545
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One reason why Qusayr has been hard to take is because of civilian presence. Government + Hezbollah will take it though.

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/30/187346730 ... for-qusayr
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Eklavya, how many jihadist groups linked to Al Qaeda are there in Syria and what are their numbers?

S300 - you misunderstand my point, Israel has interests and it will protect them (as it has already done recently to prevent Hezbollah acquiring SA17s). I said IF a NFZ was to be launched they'd have to take out the chemical weapons to prevent their usage in retaliation. S300 is a similar example where Israel will take it out.

Lets say even if the west does nothing, they are afraid of this ending up with jihadi groups. Intervention or a deal is only a matter of time.
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Assad: Syria Will Strike Back at Any Future Israeli Attack
President Bashar Assad has said that Syria “will respond in kind” to any future Israeli airstrike on its territory and expressed confidence in the victory over the foes of the Syrian state.

The Syrian government has been criticized for its muted response to recent Israeli airstrikes on several facilities in Syria in alleged attempts to stop shipments of missiles bound for Lebanon’s Hezbollah militant group.

“We have informed the relevant states that we will respond in kind [next time],” Assad said in a televised interview with Lebanese al-Manar TV on Thursday. “We plan for different scenarios, depending on the circumstances and the timing of the strike.”

Assad said there was "popular pressure" to open a military front against Israel on the Golan Heights but such a move would require serious political, social and military deliberation.

Assad also said he had no doubts about his victory against opponents in a battle that he described as a "world war against Syria and the resistance [in reference to Hezbollah fighters]."

"Regarding my confidence about victory, had we not had this confidence, we wouldn't have been able to fight in this battle for two years, facing an international attack," he said.

Assad’s confident tone comes in a wake of a recent “shift in the balance of power” in the Syrian conflict as the government troops have scored a number of victories in the fight against the rebels throughout the country.

Assad reiterated his support of an international conference on Syria, which Russia and the United States attempt to put together in Geneva, but stressed that any outcome of this or any other Syria-related discussions by the international community must be “subject to the approval of the Syrian people through a popular referendum.”

“Nothing can be implemented without the approval of the Syrian people,” he said.

Asked about the controversial issue of the deliveries of Russian S-300 air defense systems to Syria, Assad simply said Russia is committed to honoring the existing defense contracts with Syria.

“All of our agreements with Russia will be implemented, some have been implemented during the past period and, together with the Russians, we will continue to implement these contracts in the future,” the Syrian president said.
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It was Russia’s failure to veto a UN resolution on Libya that opened the door to western military intervention against Colonel Muammer Gaddafi. The Russians have now made clear that they will block any similar resolutions over Syria. But, given growing western doubts about intervention, that Russian roadblock at the UN may actually suit the US and the EU.
tactical H&D retreat.
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the west continues to believe that somewhere down there, there are moderate, liberal, democratic arabs who want to run pro western friendly democratic governments and form a nice EU style club...

i think the 5 arabs who fit that description were last seen at a cocktail party in DC, the rest of them seem intent on getting back to khilafat, slaughtering the munafiqs and mukhabarat'ing their populace
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that they believe moderate, liberal, democratic arabs take over from Gaddafi, Mubarak and Assad is just a posture for public consumption. They have seen what kind of folks have taken over after Mubarak and Gaddafi. They have also seen how Gaddafi was dealt with by the Salafists and fanatics. Hillary also enjoyed that a lot.



So they have similar intentions for Assad as well, and wish utmost malice on Syrian population, but sadly they can't get their way now and are putting on a H&D show.

Whatever it is that they do, their aim is to break the spirit of the local population as well. This trend has been seen over many countries like Iraq, Libya, Tunisia etc. These guys have ulterior motives for every region of the entire world. They are pure poison in velvet sheath.
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How about Peace Keeping Force under UN and trying to go for vote under UN supervision after 6 months to 1 year ?
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Bosnia comes to mind... Similar situation, similar jihadis from all over the world arriving.

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People keep talking about Mubarak - he never stepped down but was removed in a coup by the military. The military knew it was heading for civil war and did the needful. And one can see the public mood against the MB coz they have no clue about how to run a country and economics.
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Dividing Syria along Ethinic lines as in Bosnia would open the door to similar breaking up of other states with Shia or Sunni majority along those lines.
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A dozen Mig-29M2 for Syria link
Correspondents of the weekly "MIC" report: CEO of the RAC "MiG" Sergei Korotkov told reporters in Lukhovitsy that we are talking about the purchase of more than a dozen multi-role fighters MiG-29M/M2, and our party will satisfy the request of the official Damascus.
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Well Austin Powers, the Middle East is going the route that Ralph Peters postulated.

His Before and After maps seem uncanny.

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