Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Pranav]

pranav,

Why is a self-professed AAP fan like your noble self concerning yourself with the sh1tty nitty gritty of the communal fascist beejaypee? Heck, you seem to be more urge-ingly and urgently pro-modi than most on a pro-modi dhaga ... what gives, I wonder....

Sincerely,
Hari

And AAP folks might ask why a Modi fan is interested in AAP issues. But as one has mentioned many times before, one is interested in issues / policies / agendas, not parties per se. One can agree with some parts of a party's agenda and disagree with other parts. One can support healthy competition between those who have something positive to contribute.

Also, I am generally impatient with feeble-mindedness and obfuscation, so that may reflect in what I write.

[Hari Seldon]

Fun link (in Hindi)

Modifying India song finds mention in the vernacular press

[Arjun]

Arun Jaitley targets Cong over dynastic politics

Good that Jaitley is finally focusing on what is the single most regressive element of Indian democracy !

[ashashi]

Advani props Shivraj Singh Chouhan, runs down Narendra Modi

I had immense respect and admiration to LKA at one time. Now, he has become a hindrance to India's future. He is living in a fools paradise.

He needs to hear from the people directly, not just the polls.

Can we start an online petition campaign urging LKA to step down and endorse Modi?
How many signatures are needed in an online petition campaign?

[Comer]

Am sure an old van is getting serviced and spruced up. Hope Apple maps is used for navigation.

[rkirankr]

^ cool down sir. It is a party program in MP. He has praised MP CM. So we need not fall into Dhimmi media trap.

Also please remember, it is election time in MP. So you have got to say the current CM is good and in fact very good among the tops. Who is the top CM?
I think he is trying to convince that SSC is in the same league as Namo. Guj reelected Namo, MP should re elect SSC. However the Advani strangely is not a good orator . Strange because usually RSS background people are good orators.

He uses very complex ways and sentences to explain his stand, which can be misinterpreted by dhimmi media.

[Sagar G]

Advani props Shivraj Singh Chouhan, runs down Narendra Modi

I had immense respect and admiration to LKA at one time. Now, he has become a hindrance to India's future. He is living in a fools paradise.

He needs to hear from the people directly, not just the polls.

Can we start an online petition campaign urging LKA to step down and endorse Modi?
How many signatures are needed in an online petition campaign?

Oh please let's not get over the board with emotions. Advani hasn't "run down" Modi as the title suggests I couldn't find any specific quote from him which would qualify for the same. All he is doing is mollifying Shivraj so as heal any hurt ego if there is for not being selected into the parliamentary board. Having lived in M.P. I can tell that people there know very well who Modi is and his capabilities.

Supposed BJP supporters should drop the habit of crying mommy mommy and threatening to do a soosai strike each and every time a negative news item appears in MSM. Grow up !!!!!

[Muppalla]

Arun Jaitley targets Cong over dynastic politics

Good that Jaitley is finally focusing on what is the single most regressive element of Indian democracy !

Advani is very angry with AJ too because he openly jumped towards Modi.

[Muppalla]

Advani props Shivraj Singh Chouhan, runs down Narendra Modi

I had immense respect and admiration to LKA at one time. Now, he has become a hindrance to India's future. He is living in a fools paradise.

He needs to hear from the people directly, not just the polls.

Can we start an online petition campaign urging LKA to step down and endorse Modi?
How many signatures are needed in an online petition campaign?

Oh please let's not get over the board with emotions. Advani hasn't "run down" Modi as the title suggests I couldn't find any specific quote from him which would qualify for the same. All he is doing is mollifying Shivraj so as heal any hurt ego if there is for not being selected into the parliamentary board. Having lived in M.P. I can tell that people there know very well who Modi is and his capabilities.

Supposed BJP supporters should drop the habit of crying mommy mommy and threatening to do a soosai strike each and every time a negative news item appears in MSM. Grow up !!!!!

Shivraj has no hurt ego or PM ambitions. Someone is just manufacturing them. Advani is just propping up one name after another except Modi. The news papers are all anti-Modi and they put more color to his statements.

Few days back Advani appearing desperate proposed Nitin Gadkari. He is rehashing his Shivraj as PM again now. Either he himself or the press is trying to show him as very desperate anti-Modi person. The impression/reality is that Advani considers Modi as Pakistan.

The entire BJP is trying rally around a historic opportunity called NaMo. The latest Ambhi Kumars (Advani, Sushma, Murali Manohar Joshi, Ananth Kumar and none) are trying be like "ras mae haddi" (hindi) "paanakam lo pudaka" (Telugu).

There could be a final battle that Advani is trying before finish but the decision of Modi as PM is final. Even the allies are supporting Modi as PM. The significant news is that even in Haryana ally where Sushma and Rajnath attended a rally is now firmly in Modi as PM support.

[fanne]

Mupalla, get hold ...read the news, Advani said nothing to run down Modi, presstitutes are manufacturing it.
rgds,
fanne

[Manish_Sharma]

Look at this advani, I just saw the 'Fataafat' news on ABP, the rusted purush said in Hindi which reads "I say to Narendra bhai Gujarat was already a great state which you've made even better( उत्कृष्ट ) state, but Shivraj chauhan made a bimaru rajya madhya pradesh great".

[Comer]

*snip*
However the Advani strangely is not a good orator . Strange because usually RSS background people are good orators.

He uses very complex ways and sentences to explain his stand, which can be misinterpreted by dhimmi media.

rkirankrji, Am glad you brought this up. DDM is a necessary evil. If he knows that DDM can twist his words why use such constructs? And if he wants to praise others, why this roundabout way of bringing down others a peg to do it?
Like how supposed BJP supporters need to show discipline, BJP's supposed leaders need to show some message discipline too. One can only hand wave and explain so many times.

[Muppalla]

Mupalla, get hold ...read the news, Advani said nothing to run down Modi, presstitutes are manufacturing it.
rgds,
fanne

no presstitutes. Advani the latest crap of India unfortunately still living did make such statements. Search for videos and you will get it. Read Manish's post. For Advani , Modi==Pakistan.

One can tolerate a private citizen's vaardhakyam but this latest Ambi kumar is now a traitor for all purposes.

Added later:
I am very confident, he will wither away as fool.

[Sagar G]

Shivraj has no hurt ego or PM ambitions. Someone is just manufacturing them. Advani is just propping up one name after another except Modi. The news papers are all anti-Modi and they put more color to his statements.

Few days back Advani appearing desperate proposed Nitin Gadkari. He is rehashing his Shivraj as PM again now. Either he himself or the press is trying to show him as very desperate anti-Modi person. The impression/reality is that Advani considers Modi as Pakistan.

The entire BJP is trying rally around a historic opportunity called NaMo. The latest Ambhi Kumars (Advani, Sushma, Murali Manohar Joshi, Ananth Kumar and none) are trying be like "ras mae haddi" (hindi) "paanakam lo pudaka" (Telugu).

There could be a final battle that Advani is trying before finish but the decision of Modi as PM is final. Even the allies are supporting Modi as PM. The significant news is that even in Haryana ally where Sushma and Rajnath attended a rally is now firmly in Modi as PM support.

I said if there is any hurt ego then Advani is only doing a little bit of appeasing so that no grudge gets manufactured at a later stage. Advani knows very well who is the party's choice for PM and behind whom the party cadre is standing he is not so dumb as to miss tell tale signs of who will get BJP maximum votes. All this brouhaha of Advani being anti modi is media manufactured only, I mean each and every time there is an election the media gets filled up with stories of internal fights of BJP but nothing about the internal tussle within congress, after a couple of times falling for the trap I have now realised the pattern and hope that other's will too in due time.

Look at this advani, I just saw the 'Fataafat' news on ABP, the rusted purush said in Hindi which reads "I say to Narendra bhai Gujarat was already a great state which you've made even better( उत्कृष्ट ) state, but Shivraj chauhan made a bimaru rajya madhya pradesh great".

I don't see anything wrong in that statement nor is it a lie. Your anger is misplaced.

[Muppalla]

The veteran leader did not stop there.

He even equated Chouhan with former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee when it came to humility and achievements.

He said the biggest virtue of Vajpayee was that he was not affected by arrogance, even after so many achievements.

“Shivraj is same. He remains humble even after so many achievements in Madhya Pradesh”, Advani added.

It is not calling Modi as arrogant? You all think that DDM is putting words in Advani so that Advani can give a press statement denying that .

[Muppalla]

Advani knows very well who is the party's choice for PM and behind whom the party cadre is standing he is not so dumb as to miss tell tale signs of who will get BJP maximum votes. All this brouhaha of Advani being anti modi is media manufactured only, I mean each and every time there is an election the media gets filled up with stories of internal fights of BJP but nothing about the internal tussle within congress, after a couple of times falling for the trap I have now realised the pattern and hope that other's will too in due time

He should clear the air then. He is allowing the manufacture. Either this oldie is too much of a chanakyan (which is doubtful) or he is truthfully anti-Modi. His bringing in names of Gadkari and SSC are deliberate when the rest is rallying around Modi.

His saying was Country is bigger than Party and Party is bigger than person. If he thinks that party is bigger then he should help it rather giving confusing and non-clear statements to DDM.

[Pranav]

Advani knows very well who is the party's choice for PM and behind whom the party cadre is standing he is not so dumb as to miss tell tale signs of who will get BJP maximum votes.

If Advani knows very well that NaMo is the choice, he is certainly keeping extremely quiet about that realization.

[Sagar G]

He should clear the air then. He is allowing the manufacture. Either this oldie is too much of a chanakyan (which is doubtful) or he is truthfully anti-Modi. His bringing in names of Gadkari and SSC are deliberate when the rest is rallying around Modi.

His saying was Country is bigger than Party and Party is bigger than person. If he thinks that party is bigger then he should help it rather giving confusing and non-clear statements to DDM.

What air is there to be cleaned ??? We are still pretty far away from 2014 polls let the modi brand grow it's tentacles across the nation then at the right time his name will be declared why the hurry I ask ??? Congress hasn't named it's candidate yet why is it expected for the BJP to do the same ??? Who has decided that this is the right time to declare the BJP PM candidate ??? As far as I can see it's the con bootlicking MSM which is going bonkers about the BJP PM candidate.

[Sagar G]

If Advani knows very well that NaMo is the choice, he is certainly keeping extremely quiet about that realization.

And rightly so, no need to go public at this point of time regarding his realization.

[Muppalla]

What air is there to be cleaned ??? We are still pretty far away from 2014 polls let the modi brand grow it's tentacles across the nation then at the right time his name will be declared why the hurry I ask ??? Congress hasn't named it's candidate yet why is it expected for the BJP to do the same ??? Who has decided that this is the right time to declare the BJP PM candidate ??? As far as I can see it's the con bootlicking MSM which is going bonkers about the BJP PM candidate.

That is true. Otherwise how can we help the media to get good TRPs. Advani's item songs are good for media.

Added later:
If you don't want to declare then that is fine. Let BJP president give those statements. Advani has no position to just babble in front of media with names. Nitin Gadkari one week and SSC another week. He is no more behaving like a disciplined one. Very old man becomes like a baby. He is currently behaving like a baby.

[ashashi]

Advani knows very well who is the party's choice for PM and behind whom the party cadre is standing he is not so dumb as to miss tell tale signs of who will get BJP maximum votes.

If Advani knows very well that NaMo is the choice, he is certainly keeping extremely quiet about that realization.

But he is encouraging his deputies like Swaraj do the talking in his favor.

[Pranav]

He should clear the air then. He is allowing the manufacture. Either this oldie is too much of a chanakyan (which is doubtful) or he is truthfully anti-Modi. His bringing in names of Gadkari and SSC are deliberate when the rest is rallying around Modi.

His saying was Country is bigger than Party and Party is bigger than person. If he thinks that party is bigger then he should help it rather giving confusing and non-clear statements to DDM.

What air is there to be cleaned ??? We are still pretty far away from 2014 polls let the modi brand grow it's tentacles across the nation then at the right time his name will be declared why the hurry I ask ??? Congress hasn't named it's candidate yet why is it expected for the BJP to do the same ??? Who has decided that this is the right time to declare the BJP PM candidate ??? As far as I can see it's the con bootlicking MSM which is going bonkers about the BJP PM candidate.

As far as Congress is concerned it does not matter which Chhapraasi is made the PM ... people should not try to use the Congress example to defend Advani's behavior.

[Pranav]

If Advani knows very well that NaMo is the choice, he is certainly keeping extremely quiet about that realization.

But he is encouraging his deputies like Swaraj do the talking in his favor.

True.

[jagga]

Madhya Pradesh CM 'humble' like Vajpayee, says Advani

Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan is "humble" like Atal Behari Vajpayee and BJP wants both Chouhan and Narendra Modi "play a major role" in securing India an important place in the world, senior party leader L K Advani said.

"Vajpayee implemented several developmental schemes including road network, but he always remained very humble and far away from arrogance.

"Similarly, Chouhan has also formulated a large number of development and welfare schemes like Ladli Laxmi scheme and Mukya Mantri Teerth Darshan Yojna, and implemented them successfully. Despite that I found Chouhan very humble, like Vajpayee," Advani told BJP's booth-level coordinators here.

Who is arrogant? Modi?
Advani needs to retire now!

[Hari Seldon]

^^SagarG,

with all due respect and all, there's good reason for trepidation in Pro-Modi circles. LKA has nuisance value at the least and quite some damage potential organizationally as well. LKA wants to be PM, might as well accept that simple fact and then proceed from there.

Alternately, c-cyst-em has lotsa dirt on LKA and are squeezing him hard, hence the pathetic pretzel-weasley statements and explanations we see emerging from the beejaypee 'high command'. Anycase, LKA has been pointing out more Modi's faults directly or indirectly than taking on Maino's. Take 'arroigance' for example. SSC is humble (whereas modi is not?). What about maino's supreme arrogance, eh? No peep on that from the tallest leader? And why is that?

Either way, ideally, LKA would ideally realize his time has come and gone, step aside and declare grandly that the party should choose its PM candidate. Namo could do with more time to build his organizational heft to take on 2014. Namo needs his key people in place and the sangathan as a whole needs to know that the buck stops with namo and there's no second power center (Maino/NAC like) where disaffecteds will go crying to.

Onlee.

[Sagar G]

That is true. Otherwise how can we help the media to get good TRPs. Advani's item songs are good for media.

Added later:
If you don't want to declare then that is fine. Let BJP president give those statements. Advani has no position to just babble in front of media with names. Nitin Gadkari one week and SSC another week. He is no more behaving like a disciplined one. Very old man becomes like a baby. He is currently behaving like a baby.

He hasn't named anybody as the PM candidate of BJP you are unnecessarily bursting your vein over an ambiguity which is totally MSM created. Remember that Advani also has to keep everybody in the party together so a bit of appeasing here and there is acceptable. Answer this has Advani ever said that modi is not fit for PM ???

[Sagar G]

People must also refrain from trolling around and peddling CT's but that's what AAP is there for hence can't expect anything better from there supporters.

[Muppalla]

The only CTs at this time are
(1) Advani is uniting the party
(2) Advani did not say anything and everything is MSM creation
(3) Advani is not anti-Modi

[Sagar G]

^^SagarG,

with all due respect and all, there's good reason for trepidation in Pro-Modi circles. LKA has nuisance value at the least and quite some damage potential organizationally as well. LKA wants to be PM, might as well accept that simple fact and then proceed from there.

Alternately, c-cyst-em has lotsa dirt on LKA and are squeezing him hard, hence the pathetic pretzel-weasley statements and explanations we see emerging from the beejaypee 'high command'. Anycase, LKA has been pointing out more Modi's faults directly or indirectly than taking on Maino's. Take 'arroigance' for example. SSC is humble (whereas modi is not?). What about maino's supreme arrogance, eh? No peep on that from the tallest leader? And why is that?

Either way, ideally, LKA would ideally realize his time has come and gone, step aside and declare grandly that the party should choose its PM candidate. Namo could do with more time to build his organizational heft to take on 2014. Namo needs his key people in place and the sangathan as a whole needs to know that the buck stops with namo and there's no second power center (Maino/NAC like) where disaffecteds will go crying to.

Onlee.

Hari garu you are reading too much into Advani's statement than what he intends to say. It's only true that Modi is so unlike Vajpayee but yeah the public likes him because of that and many more qualities. I don't understand why some quarters go bonkers if anybody except Modi is patted on his back ??? Do you think that Modi can become PM without the support of all leaders from his party ??? I think this "Modi or bust" thinking is really a ridiculous one which won't do BJP any good. If LKA is feeling a bit unsafe about Modi then that's understandable given the command he once had over BJP but I think he has very much seen the writing on the wall and knows very well who is the future of BJP. Even after all the accusations against Advani I have yet to come across a statement from him dissing Modi or even taking potshots at him as some members believe Advani does frequently.

The thing is that a lot of people here have bought the MSM manufactured "Advani is against Modi" line hook line and sinker and hence whatever Advani says they will keep mutilating the meaning till it suits there views. Talking about BJP's inaction against the clan then I don't expect the current crop to do anything when during power they did nothing. But hopefully Modi will change that.

[Muppalla]

SagarG ji, I disagree with MSM is totally manufacturing stuff. It is true that MSM adds color to what Advani says. He is saying a lot interesting stuff to MSM and everything is on videos and not just print.

[Sushupti]

Check this link http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 772470.ece. Toi is adding color as said by Muppla ji.

[Sagar G]

SagarG ji, I disagree with MSM is totally manufacturing stuff. It is true that MSM adds color to what Advani says. He is saying a lot interesting stuff to MSM and everything is on videos and not just print.

That's fine but as I said I still have to come across a statement of his which disses Modi or says that he is not going to be the PM candidate of BJP. It's obvious that Modi has to fight his way through to the top in BJP before he becomes the candidate of choice.

[Muppalla]

Check this link http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 772470.ece. Toi is adding color as said by Muppla ji.

Exactly my point. Advani has every means to praise and laud MP and SSC. There is no context or reason for him to bring Gujarat or Modi into picture. So he has given option to interpretation of MSM and you can't blame MSM for its interpretation. Modi is in limelight and Advani talking about Modi in the context of SSC gives an indirect preference from him.

[Sagar G]

From the same article

He further said the party wants both Mr. Chouhan and his Gujarat counterpart “to play a major role in securing India an important place in the world.”

[Muppalla]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 384220.cms

Here is the video but not complete. There is no reason for Advani to even bring/talk about Modi and Gujarat. He just creates statements that is easy for MSM to color.

[Sushupti]

Give An Inch, Take A Mile
No easy elevation Senior leaders aren’t keen on Modi

Quizzed by Outlook on what decisions could be expected in Goa, a party senior quipped, “how best to avoid taking decisions”. A member of the party’s parliame­ntary board, he explained, “There is no unanimity on the leadership issue even amongst the members of the parliamentary board. Camps still exist, and every top leader in the party believes that his or hers is the better candidature than the other’s for the post of PM or even the post of the head of the Lok Sabha election campaign committee. With that kind of clamour, how do issues get resolved?”

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?285784

[muraliravi]

Give An Inch, Take A Mile
No easy elevation Senior leaders aren’t keen on Modi

Quizzed by Outlook on what decisions could be expected in Goa, a party senior quipped, “how best to avoid taking decisions”. A member of the party’s parliame­ntary board, he explained, “There is no unanimity on the leadership issue even amongst the members of the parliamentary board. Camps still exist, and every top leader in the party believes that his or hers is the better candidature than the other’s for the post of PM or even the post of the head of the Lok Sabha election campaign committee. With that kind of clamour, how do issues get resolved?”

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?285784

I read that article and has a lot of the typical outlook BS. Best to ignore it. Everything is "Senior leader..", name the names if you have them. Typical cong mouthpiece work.

[SwamyG]

Sagar, was there a need to compare Modi and Chouhan during the elections season? He could have heaped praises on Chouhan, given all credit without dragging Modi. Don't tell me Advani is not intelligent enough to know that MSM will use and/or distort anything he says as an attack on Modi. If Advani is not intelligent enough, then he should retire. If Advani is intelligent, then he should not have uttered those words, since he did he should retire. Enough of scoring self goals.

It is not that there is no bickering in INC, it is just that in spite of all bickering and factionalism, everybody either worships or fear the High Command. In BJP nobody respects the High Command, nor fear them. BJP is a laughing stock, and should quietly wind down, close its offices and some of them should join INC.

Modi is not a saint, nor the greatest politician/statesman, he might be far from perfect with numerous personal flaws,and being a politician I assume he is not as clean as he himself projects or others claim. Having said all that he is an inspirational candidate, a candidate that can use opportunities and ideas around and make it work - or at least make an attempt to work.

BJP - a.k.a Buddhu Janata Party is a shame, a kalank worthless flash in the pan party. It is better to support a candidate like Modi, and lose than support Buddhus.

[Sushupti]

Modinama-8

When Select Phrases are Lifted and Distorted out of Context



http://www.manushi.in/articles.php?arti ... pe=&pgno=3

[Sushupti]