Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Jun 2013 14:39

IMO the best chance Loh P has of becoming PM is by projecting NM as PM loudly and clearly. When BJP wins and NM expected to be PM, NM should large heartedly give 6 months to Loh to begin BJPs term at the center and retire Jan 2015 and serve as a patriarch kind of figure at 87. By doing so NM will raise his stature even more, consolidate diffident factions within the BJP who opposed his candidature.. NM gets 6 months to know the ropes in Delhi, formulate governance and development strategy. So if LohP is big hearted then maybe NM will be too, if not NM will anyways barge in. Hence the best chance Loh P has in becoming PM is exhorting NM himself.. But in all this it is imp that BJP go all in projecting NM as their face for PM over the next 10 years.. JMT/

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Jun 2013 14:41

i dont think PM can retire like that

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 07 Jun 2013 15:16

Neela wrote: Immediately the word "political" turns up - as if that is something bad in itself.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in favoring a good leader and there is nothing in there to judge RajivM.

Absolutely. And that expression of incredulity belies the fact that 'Breaking India' itself is a work which has come about because of the socio-political faultlines in India which has been exploited to the fullest by entrenched interests in India.

Either its genuine ignorance about Shri Rajiv's works or "how dare he make such a statement!" vibe.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 07 Jun 2013 15:17

This is not some goddamn gully kirket where you let somebody open and play some balls and then retire hurt him so real players can come and play.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Jun 2013 16:03

CNN-IBN is reporting:

Decision on Modi likely to be announced on Sunday: BJP sources

4. 00 pm: LK Advani likely to announce Modi as poll campaign chief on Sunday

The BJP is likely to announce Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its party’s election campaign committee chief, CNN-IBN reported.

LK Advani will propose the name of Narendra Modi as the party’s campaign chief during his speech on 9 June, and the announcement will be seconded by the party President Rajnath Singh, CNN-IBN reported.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 07 Jun 2013 16:08

Sanku maharaj ki jai ho

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 07 Jun 2013 16:12

saravana wrote:My humble prediction onlee: RJB movement will get a fillip.

That would be a mistake. It is not necessary. It is falling into the trap of paid media, Libtards and evil MAINOs.

First focus has to be Governance, development and making people understanding the real meaning of secularism. Even Muslims, Christians have to recognize the importance of nation, security and
real secularism.

RJB will automatically happen then.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Jun 2013 16:39

Morning there was one namo article on the digi-cover of India today. It is now replaced with another... major dhoti-shiver among the presstitute fraternity, seems like. The farticle below is a 100% eNREGA paid piece -designed to rig the establishment morale. A more measured reasoning might have gotten some traction maybe, but the author's over-the-top skullduggery turns hilarious only. Read and ensoi.

Not only Advani, 10 more reasons why Modi will find it hard to move to Delhi

Note: No mention of the OBC factor, of a potential wave in the making, of Modi's own past record in battling and overcoming stupendous odds, of Modi popularity spreading seemingly on its own accord, of anti-incumbency wrecking INC chances in several of its 202 present seats (including amethi itself, perhaps?). And so on. Paid BS.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 07 Jun 2013 16:49

Sushupti wrote:
He is cow belt Dhimmi and face of "Kayasthas" in BJP. May be he can't assemble 1000 people but can do lot of damage by invoking "Kayastha" honour, in case he decides to play dirty.

Being a 'Kayastha' that too from eastern UP I can safely say, Yashwant Sinha is no leader of Kayasths. Modi is more popular. My relatives back in old country generally vote BJP but that has nothing to do with Yashwant Sinha. Vajpayee was the one who tapped Kayasthas in a BIG way and ever since they are sticking with them in Bihar / UP / Raj / MP and Gujarat.

More than the votes, I think it's the money and strong network within administrations (Kayasth generally go for Sarkari jobs) that is crucial for BJP. In return they expects Sarkari jobs and promotions within Sarkar.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Jun 2013 17:39

vivek.rao wrote:
saravana wrote:My humble prediction onlee: RJB movement will get a fillip.
That would be a mistake. It is not necessary. It is falling into the trap of paid media, Libtards and evil MAINOs.

First focus has to be Governance, development and making people understanding the real meaning of secularism. Even Muslims, Christians have to recognize the importance of nation, security and
real secularism.

RJB will automatically happen then.

Vivekji you are absolutely correct and that's why I think certain sections will try to bring it to fore.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 07 Jun 2013 17:46

Gus wrote:This is not some goddamn gully kirket where you let somebody open and play some balls and then retire hurt him so real players can come and play.

Don't we have almost similar at present with night watchman playing ?

Retied hurt is still better because it will be some batsman better than night watchman

In fact, it looks like good idea. Increases stature of both Adwani and Modi. If madam can rule by just saying "aatma ki awaj", imagine what can happen if both Adawani and Modi scarifies a little bit and extol each others' image !

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Jun 2013 17:51

Sri wrote:
Sushupti wrote:
He is cow belt Dhimmi and face of "Kayasthas" in BJP. May be he can't assemble 1000 people but can do lot of damage by invoking "Kayastha" honour, in case he decides to play dirty.
Being a 'Kayastha' that too from eastern UP I can safely say, Yashwant Sinha is no leader of Kayasths. Modi is more popular. My relatives back in old country generally vote BJP but that has nothing to do with Yashwant Sinha. Vajpayee was the one who tapped Kayasthas in a BIG way and ever since they are sticking with them in Bihar / UP / Raj / MP and Gujarat.

More than the votes, I think it's the money and strong network within administrations (Kayasth generally go for Sarkari jobs) that is crucial for BJP. In return they expects Sarkari jobs and promotions within Sarkar.

Per one of my close friend from Patna, they are very strong Modi supporters and they want BJP to go alone in case Nitish doesn't budge to Modi. Last time Laloo went to their locality and started speech saying "you guys will not vote to us anyway...".

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jun 2013 18:00

RNS apparently asked Advani to stay away on the first day to take care of his health (no sources his own quote in public) -- I suspect it was deliberately done to give space to all BJP leaders to speak their minds freely without the overwhelming presence of the patriarch.

No one to look up to for clues on which position to take, or to look at nervously wondering if they are not crossing the line. A good step towards the ultimate plan of having Advani more in the margdarshak role. Has to start cutting him from day to day activities.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 07 Jun 2013 18:13

Muppalla wrote: Per one of my close friend from Patna, they are very strong Modi supporters and they want BJP to go alone in case Nitish doesn't budge to Modi. Last time Laloo went to their locality and started speech saying "you guys will not vote to us anyway...".

Muppalla Ji. Your friend is absolutely correct. Kayasth though not discussed much do form a strong vote bank for BJP. May be because of strong right to center leanings as influenced by Sri Vivekananda, a Kayasth himself. They have been consistent anti congress community since independence (accept in Bengal where they vote Congress as opposed to Left).

Whole JP movement (JP was Kayasth) united them as a anti congress voting block. Mostly congress doesn't even try to spend time on them. They did experiment seriously with Amitabh Bacchan (Kayasth himself) in 90s but then too Kayasth didn't budge.

As for Yashwant Sinha he doesn't matter at all. And as he is himself a Kayasth he has no choice but be with BJP onlee. Let him sulk... he will be back sooner then you think.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Jun 2013 19:33

colorful headlines on hindi media...sample this:

"Modi ka bukhaar ... virodhi beemaar"

"tabeeyat kharaab ya neeyat kharaab?"

Lol!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 07 Jun 2013 19:44

FWIW -

Narendra Modi likely to be announced BJP election chief on Sunday, say sources
....
A member of the parliamentary board, Sushma Swaraj, was reportedly so upset with the party ignoring Mr Advani's point-of-view that she refused to leave her hotel to attend the meeting of the parliamentary board. Sources say the BJP president had to convince her on the phone to change her mind.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/naren ... ces-376661

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jun 2013 19:52

Its done, Modi's name to be announced soon.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Jun 2013 19:53

It seems like a few BJP leaders also got ~~pneumonia~~ Namonia!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Jun 2013 19:54

Sanku wrote:Its done, Modi's name to be announced soon.

For both Lok Sabha 2014 and State Assembly Elections or just Lok Sabha 2014?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jun 2013 20:06

As they say , TLP-The Loh Purush dont DIE but only melt away , leaving little smoke behind.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 07 Jun 2013 20:06

RajeshA wrote:
Sanku wrote:Its done, Modi's name to be announced soon.
For both Lok Sabha 2014 and State Assembly Elections or just Lok Sabha 2014?

As per BJP constitution there is only one Central Election Committee which looks after both Lok Sabha and state assembly polls.

Reportedly Advani wanted 2 separate committees but that idea was not accepted, it seems.

Currently the situation seems satisfactory & under control, but need to defer celebrations till Sunday.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Jun 2013 20:30

Sri wrote:
Sushupti wrote:
He is cow belt Dhimmi and face of "Kayasthas" in BJP. May be he can't assemble 1000 people but can do lot of damage by invoking "Kayastha" honour, in case he decides to play dirty.
Being a 'Kayastha' that too from eastern UP I can safely say, Yashwant Sinha is no leader of Kayasths. Modi is more popular. My relatives back in old country generally vote BJP but that has nothing to do with Yashwant Sinha. Vajpayee was the one who tapped Kayasthas in a BIG way and ever since they are sticking with them in Bihar / UP / Raj / MP and Gujarat.

More than the votes, I think it's the money and strong network within administrations (Kayasth generally go for Sarkari jobs) that is crucial for BJP. In return they expects Sarkari jobs and promotions within Sarkar.

I was talking in the context of Bihar and manufactured rage (through media) against BJP. Looking at the current mood of "Loh Purush" and Yshwant Sinha, Shatrughan Sinha, RSP all being on the sides of D4, this is a strong possibility. Further, Sinha's DNA is that of Janta Dal/party and not BJP. He can easily fit himself into JDU or Lalu's party as caste leader. No body who sees his future inside BJP will have guts to contradict RSS chief's preference for BJP president post.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Jun 2013 20:58

I feel those in the BJP who cite NDA secular acceptability criterium for BJP policy and PM candidate show in their behavior an uncanny resemblance to the Congress strategy for ruling India.

It is in Congress's interest that the share of power of those who have extra-territorial allegiances and interests should increase at the cost of those who believe in Bharat. The more the power tilts to centers outside the core, the better they can balance and come out on top as builders of "consensus".

It should be exactly the other way round, that one builds and expands the core. The stronger the core becomes, the more people would want to align with it sensing its power.

There are those in the BJP who want to decide the program, message and leader based on considerations of coalition politics. That is bunkum. One should opt for the one who is able to strengthen and expand the core. The periphery (JD(U), etc.) would have to get over their own issues and join the core ultimately.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Jun 2013 21:42

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Jun 2013 21:47

sardi khaasi na malaria hua, tujhko hua hai NaMoria

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Jun 2013 21:57

Baba Ramdev on Advani’s health and support to Modi

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jun 2013 22:23

RajeshA wrote:It seems like a few BJP leaders also got ~~pneumonia~~ Namonia!

Namonia And Sonia

Salam TLP, Terri Baali ummar ko Salam
PM ki Gaddi pey Budde Kaa Dill aa gya
TLP Saathiya Gya

Satra Baras Ki Chhokariya pey Nudde Ka dill aa gya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lM43EbWAMY

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Jun 2013 22:30

Sonia nu laga Namonia!
Hunn Kangress ne ronia hi ronia!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 07 Jun 2013 22:40

Another blow to Modi, west-indies beats pakistan

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jun 2013 22:47

There used to be a cartoon in which man was singing,,

Barre Aramano sey rakkha Thhaa Sanam ,Modi Kasam
PM Banney ki Duniya mey yeh pehla Kadam ,
OOO Pehla Kadam..

And completely oblivious of stepping right into a ditch in front of him..

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Jun 2013 22:51

Mahendra wrote:Another blow to Modi, west-indies beats pakistan

Modi must be happy with all the 'Blow' jobs they get from NDTV & other secular media.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jun 2013 23:01

Okay small prediction from me, they are saving the news of Modi's promotion to come from Advani on Sunday. (sticking my neck out)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jun 2013 23:09

Sanku, Err how is that a promotion?

Elevating a leader who is the most eligible is hardly a promotion but a realization.

But thanks, ramana

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 07 Jun 2013 23:13

Two possibilities:

1) Advani is truly an id*ot and wants the PM chair for himself. He skips meet in protest.

Outcome - Media gives Modi even more publicity and hence makes him ever more popular among the citizenry including the BJP and RSS cadre.

2) Advani has purposely not said anything to garner media attention for Modi so that the mystique and buzz factor is kept alive in the media.

Outcome - Media gives Modi even more publicity and hence makes him ever more popular among the citizenry including the BJP and RSS cadre.

*Either way the outcome will be the same. I don't see how at this stage Modi will be flushed down the toilet. He is being constantly upgraded within the party and his popularity dwarfs that of any other leader in the country. He is the ONLY PM candidate in the party. It's a do or die moment and I don't think the BJP will mess it all up especially when the entire cadre is tired of losing the general election. Advani simply can't afford to oppose Modi. Too much pressure on him IMO.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jun 2013 23:17

Bihar election results have reduced the options for opposition to Modi.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jun 2013 23:19

ramana wrote:Sanku, Err how is that a promotion?

Elevating a leader who is the most eligible is hardly a promotion but a realization.

But thanks, ramana

Ramana-ji; it is still a promotion in a organizational party like BJP, for unlike ABV/Advani -- NaMo has not yet, have had a national footprint in terms of the already existing work for the party at a large scale which is over and above others (not a knock it is a fact) -- hence he in not an automatic fit (there were no one in the age/power of ABV/LKA in BJP but NaMo does have peers) for a bigger role, he is being promoted over his peers for sure -- and while there are good reasons for the same, some like Advani/RSS have to do it in a way which is slow stable and with due buy in from all quarters (which seem to be happening)

yet to add a caveat, at best even in Goa, this would be no more than leadership of election committee, which is yet a long long way away from overt projection as PM (which is another battle) -- so BJP would have taken only a small cautious step.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jun 2013 23:22

ramana wrote:Bihar election results have reduced the options for opposition to Modi.

The conspiracy theory in some quarters is that Advani/RSS/BJP are moving slowly as to cook Bihar well, before Modi can be brought out. This is not my theory.

My theory is that Nitish is throwing a tantrum to fool the faithfools and avoid consolidation. Modi as explicit PM candidate will depend on the pre poll alliances that Congress goes with.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Jun 2013 23:32

Two elections completed the game:

1. Complete sweep by BJP in Gujarat LS and State ByePolls., and Modi did not even campaign there! This was a gameplan in motion - getting Radadiya into BJP fold and getting his son elected was set some 3 months ago. There was lot of rona & dhona here about the kind of MPs., but that is the ground reality (if disagree, go and watch Lincoln movie) and victory is always sweet.

2. Complete defeat in Bihar Mahargunj of NiKu where his own education minister is out of a seat.

The contrast cannot be more stark (whatever #paidmedia spins).

And just maybe Advani is also part of his gameplan to keep Modi in limelight. And in the process the #paidmedia is going through a self-immolation. Definitely #paidmedia's cards are coming out in open.

It was interesting how the #paidmedia did this comparison:

1. Modi vs. Pappu (Modi won, Pappu lost - fair and square)
1a. Modi Vs. Niku (Modi won, NiKu lost - Niku throwing tantrums)
2. Modi vs. Rest of BJP CMs (Starting with Raman Singh, Manohar Parrikar).
2a. Raman Singh in C'grh states Modi is my leader (comparison stops)., Goa is a small state compared to C'grh
3. Modi vs. Sushma (Modi won, Sushma lost) (side show of Modi Vs. Arun Jaitley)
4. Modi vs. SSC (MP CM). SSC acquiesces in favour of Modi.
5. Modi vs. LKA (Goabazi - ongoing)., LKA is retiring hurt or acting retiring hurt. From deuce to advantage Modi.

All this time., Modi is in limelight and one by one the opposition somehow crumbles.

Strikingly it is parallel to US Primaries where there is much jockeying going on within the dems and repubs for a primary. And then comes the presidential election. India is witnessing "primaries" for one party., first time in history. Sets the tone going forward. In the meantime, all CONgis have is dienasty. Their "primaries" will start soon with jockeying about MMS or Chiddu or Shashi Tharoor. Pawar's tantrums IMHO should be seen in that light.

If NCP breaks out of Congress, in a hung assembly does Pawar have enough money power to pull a third front together? Atleast get into a bargaining position.

Either way, the choices for CONgress looks stark at this stage. If BJP wins C'grh, MP, Raj & Delhi (iffy) that will mean CONgis are looking at a wall.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Jun 2013 23:36

Sanku ji- that was just nice way of putting it. But I disagree. The power struggle is there between Advani and Modi and if realization happens then all quarters will put as though nothing happened in the interest of the party. This promotion is going because if not a lot of maharathis will get chappal attack.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Jun 2013 23:37

I want to repeat again paid media/pressttutes are just adding color and spin to existing things. They are not creating in entirety.