Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jun 2013 23:40

Muppalla wrote:Sanku ji- that was just nice way of putting it. But I disagree. The power struggle is there between Advani and Modi and if realization happens then all quarters will put as though nothing happened in the interest of the party. This promotion is going because if not a lot of maharathis will get chappal attack.

Muppalla ji, I am hoping the events will bear me out. Lets see.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Jun 2013 23:41

Modi's travails within BJP

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Jun 2013 23:51

Sanku wrote:
ramana wrote:Sanku, Err how is that a promotion?

Elevating a leader who is the most eligible is hardly a promotion but a realization.

But thanks, ramana
Ramana-ji; it is still a promotion in a organizational party like BJP, for unlike ABV/Advani -- NaMo has not yet, have had a national footprint in terms of the already existing work for the party at a large scale which is over and above others (not a knock it is a fact) -- hence he in not an automatic fit (there were no one in the age/power of ABV/LKA in BJP but NaMo does have peers) for a bigger role, he is being promoted over his peers for sure -- and while there are good reasons for the same, some like Advani/RSS have to do it in a way which is slow stable and with due buy in from all quarters (which seem to be happening)

yet to add a caveat, at best even in Goa, this would be no more than leadership of election committee, which is yet a long long way away from overt projection as PM (which is another battle) -- so BJP would have taken only a small cautious step.

You are forgetting how Madhok (while he was president of Janasangha) was kicked out to handover reins to ABV.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 07 Jun 2013 23:52

disha wrote: Either way, the choices for CONgress looks stark at this stage. If BJP wins C'grh, MP, Raj & Delhi (iffy) that will mean CONgis are looking at a wall.

In that case, Modi better be extra careful. The words "Samson option" come to mind. Dynasty != Congress. If the dynasty figures that it's goose is cooked in India, it will ditch the Congress in a heartbeat and get out of the country. But not before going for an all-out attempt to permanently neutralize Modi.

For those who will object saying: neutralizing Modi will kill the Congress electorally - I repeat: the dynasty won't care about that.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Jun 2013 23:58

OT: I wonder if Congress is ruthless enough to ditch the dynasty if the returns are diminishing

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 00:00

Sushupti wrote:
You are forgetting how Madhok (while he was president of Janasangha) was kicked out to handover reins to ABV.

Please Sushputi ji, Jansangh at the time was not choosing a PM, we are are talking incomprables. In any case during 80s and 90s ABV/LKA took BJP beyond anything Madhok had ever taken Jansangh too.

Apples and oranges. Madhok was despite everything, not really a big leader at national level, ever.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 00:01

saravana wrote:OT: I wonder if Congress is ruthless enough to ditch the dynasty if the returns are diminishing

Umm dynasty == congress. They have to both live. One cant die while other lives.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 00:14

RoyG ji,

another reason could be that the Dynasty really has something on Advani or some close relative of his, and in the public he really has to show that he is doing everything to stop Modi!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 00:29

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 08 Jun 2013 01:30

RajeshA wrote:It seems like a few BJP leaders also got ~~pneumonia~~ Namonia!

HT hijacks BRF's jargon...

NaMonia hits BJP meet, senior leaders report sick

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Jun 2013 03:14

NAModi se larraye shaitan ki,
Yeh klahani hai DIye ki Orr Tuffan Ki

Chhayye Raat Andhkari, Chorr Uchakko ki Beemari
Corrupt Orr Traitors Kaa Gund thha harr Parra
Andhiarey Ko Mitane, Desh Sanskriti ko Bachane
Akele Gujarat Mei Diya Thhaa Buss Jall Raha
Apni Dhun Mey Magan, Uske Tunn Mey Jalan
Uske Lau mey Lagan Bhagwan Ki
Yeh Kahani Hai Modi ki orr Congiban ki!

Dhoor Dilli Kei PSecuban, Desh Drohi Beiman
Lagga Ke oochi Machan,
Dhiimi Dekh Dharam Ko thhaa Machal raha
Akela Modi Diya, Usnne Hamla Kiya
Abb Dekhoi leela Vidhi e Vidhann ki..

Nistish nei tubb Mooh Morra, Loh Purush ne bhi chorra
Bannaya D4 Kaa Ghorra, Abb NAMO Pey Pressure Barrne Lagga
Parr Himmat Naa Haar,Chorra Maut kaa Vichar, Atyachario sei akela woh Larrne Laaga
Sarr Utthana Yaan Katwana, Yaan Larrtey hue Marr Jaana
Gharri ayye aise Ooske Imtiiihaann KI
Kahani hai Modi orr Congibans Ki..

Phir Aise Gharri aayye, Meeting Goa mey Bhulaye
Lagga Desh Premio Kaa dill bhi Kaanpnei....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCGd1KaHV2Y

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 04:04

Asked if these expressions of support could help Advani, sources said they wouldn’t.

“Things have gone beyond all this. The dynamics of the imminent power shift have changed. A couple of generations in the BJP have accepted Modi as their leader,” a source said.

He said the BJP was no longer about “Uma, Jaswant, Yashwant (Sinha) and Shatrughan”.

“In the current political scheme, it’s the voices of Smriti Irani and (Manohar) Parrikar that count with the decision-makers,” the source said.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130608/j ... 985189.jsp

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 04:13

BJP sources said the RSS could be the only catalyst now. The Sangh has decided to “bless” Modi’s projection.

Sources said Sangh functionaries were “closely watching” Advani’s responses. If they concluded it was not “worth their while” indulging Advani, they could “direct” Rajnath to announce Modi’s name as the campaign panel head in the next two days. “The Sangh is not amused,” a source said.

RSS joint general secretary Suresh Soni had met Rajnath on Thursday. Soni is said to have agreed “in principle” to Modi’s anointment.

M. Venkaiah Naidu today told journalists that Advani was “unwell”. A member of Advani’s family called Rajnath yesterday and said he felt “weak” from the Delhi heat and would skip the first day’s meeting.

“It would be untrue to say that Advani is not disturbed with the kind of drum-beating (for Modi as the party’s candidate for Prime Minister) that is going on,” a party source said. “Remember, this is a country where (then Congress president) Dev Kant Barooah had said, ‘India is Indira, Indira is India’ (during the Emergency). Indira was routed in the elections that followed.”

The source added: “In Atalji’s case, the process happened naturally and had a flavour that is cherished even today. Drum-beating does not necessarily ensure electoral success.”

A minority in the BJP believes that Modi’s projection could see either a spurt in seats, or stagnation and even a fall, especially if the Muslims rallied behind the Congress.

Advani’s absence did not deter Modi’s growing band of cheerleaders today. Last evening, the meeting’s host and Goa chief minister Manohar Parrikar had started the chorus in favour of his Gujarat counterpart’s elevation.

In 2009, Parrikar, short-listed by the Sangh as a candidate for BJP president, had blown his prospects by comparing Advani to “pickle gone sour” and advising him to ride into the political sunset.

Smriti Irani, Rajya Sabha member and the central BJP’s minder for Goa, has claimed a “groundswell of positive sentiments” in Modi’s favour.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130608/j ... 985292.jsp

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 08 Jun 2013 04:48

Chandragupta wrote:
panduranghari wrote:
Agreed. I also feel that RM may believe, like perhaps many, that unless the government decides to run with the plan to change the agenda to protect Dharma from assaults, the help should come direct from the government. BJP via MM Joshi caused bad blood in the Thai Sanskrit university fiasco. He clearly sees Modi to be a cut above the rest. At least that's what I perceive.
Can you please elaborate the underlined?

Please see this video from 10.00 onwards

disha · Post by **disha** » 08 Jun 2013 05:05

Is it any possibility for CONgis to get less than 100?

Per 2009 results. AP:33, Mah:17, Raj:20, UP:20, WB:6, TN:8, PJ:8, Orissa:6, Guj: 11, MP:12.

In the above states if the CONGis are wiped out for eg: AP:6 (-28), Mah:9 (-8), Raj: 5 (-15), UP: 2 (-18), Guj: 5 (-6), MP 5 (-6) (again assuming that BJP gets its game right and there is anti-congi wave and Jagan/TDP/TRS get their games right)., the net loss to CONGi is @-80. That will bring their tally from 206 to 126.

Losses in Haryana, Ktka, Kerala and Delhi can bring it less than 100. Here if the Third front senses it can get ahead (mostly SP in UP) of CONgi in an anti-congi wave., the support for CON led will be difficult. Of course, the third front could be a possibility in itself with Mullahyam fancying his chances as PM.

Either way, CON getting less than 100 may look like a distinct possibility. Then it will be more of jockeying for LOP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jun 2013 06:05

Klaus wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Wow. Rajiv stuck his neck out there. He does not offer political color to his work, speeches, debates and narration.
If Shri Rajiv can write news columns on Governor Bobby Jindal and appear in TV debates on the topic, then he can definitely not be called completely apolitical. So its no surprise that he chooses to tweet on the evolving Indian scenario.

He on numerous occasions have tried to keep away from Indian politics - especially he makes it a point to say that aloud. He paints himself as a researcher without any political leanings. He writes/talks about Hindu identity, his talk about the need for one in America is a good one. Being an intellectual it pays more and makes sense to keep friends in all walks of life (and political party). However, he will stick his head now and then. Remember his support to Nithyanda? He has not publicly supported Hindutva, but then one knows what is into....based on his books and his foundation.

Neela wrote:I do not understand why it is incredulous ( the "wow") that RajivM expressed something about Modi. Immediately the word "political" turns up - as if that is something bad in itself.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in favoring a good leader and there is nothing in there to judge RajivM.

I am sorry to say, you have to follow Rajiv Malhotra a little more closely.

Klaus wrote:
Neela wrote: Immediately the word "political" turns up - as if that is something bad in itself.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in favoring a good leader and there is nothing in there to judge RajivM.
Absolutely. And that expression of incredulity belies the fact that 'Breaking India' itself is a work which has come about because of the socio-political faultlines in India which has been exploited to the fullest by entrenched interests in India.

Either its genuine ignorance about Shri Rajiv's works or "how dare he make such a statement!" vibe.

I cannot but laugh at the fact that you jump with both knees without having a clue about me

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jun 2013 07:40

While one cannot but entertain a theory that all this is master chankiyan tactic by Advani & Modi - together; to keep the media imagine a split between them. Knowing the media, Advani sends all wrong smoke signals, media becomes very kind and elevates Advani so that it can beat Modi down to pulp. This goes on and on for some time. Whole media and attention is on Modi - will he become THE candidate.

So after sometime, Advani removes his mask, and announces he is all behind Modi and that himself has no power ambition but nurses an ambition of healthy and progressive India. The media with egg on its faces and tomatoes on its back, will cry hoarse and claim Modi arm twisted Advani into submission. But then it had all along painted Advani as the Saint/Sant; and if the Sant blesses Modi....what is it do onlee?

The only danger for BJP, is Rahul/Sonia (as usual) are silent and continuing with machinations. No clue on what they are doing, while we can suspect what they are capable of doing. So that is the draw back with this master tactical stroke.....Rahul/Sonia are pushed to the back-burner but they are not monitored - as if media monitors and scrutinizes their words and actions anyway.

Oh well.....call it CT or wish.......all is well that ends well. Hopefully, like Ramadev says Advani showers his blessings. Except Advani there is no one else in the BJP crowd that will pull votes at a national level. All the tier II leaders are at best mouthing platitude.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 08:04

More media badmashi, perhaps but LKA has again become the butt of lampooning among a gleeful media *wanting* an internal BJP feud--> war. sample this:

We are witnessing the first real "primaries" in any political party in India since 1947, hence a lot of curiosity and interest among aam janta, social media and dork media is natural, to an extent. Milk it for all its worth, I guess.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Jun 2013 08:17

This is huge - the stock market is starting to differentiate between Modi and no-Modi future. CLSA is among the most respected bunch of stock market analysts:

Investment cycle to pick up pace in FY14: Christopher Wood, CLSA

The biggest election risk, Wood said, is neither Congress nor BJP winning sufficient seats to form a government, leading to a 'Third Front', a loose coalition of regional parties, forming the government, which can be a possibility, if not a probability. The most positive outcome for elections from the point of view of stock market sentiment would be the formation of a BJP government, led by Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as it would trigger expectations of much more pro-business policies.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 08 Jun 2013 08:52

people here should read the indian expresses coverage of goa, todays edition.

excellent, succint coverage

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 08:57

^ link please?

In any case, no one can accuse INC mantris of lacking class or making things personal. Sample this piece of refined subtlety in politcal criticism...

Modi pulls crowds as people come to watch a monkey perform: Khurshid

The war of words between the Congress and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is turning personal.
On Friday, in an interview to CNN-IBN, Union Minister Salman Khurshid compared Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to a monkey, saying he pulls crowds as his rally is like a show of monkeys and people come to watch a monkey perform.

wah-wah. onlee. If this doesn't reveal the supreme confidence and smugness of the dynasty in their inevitable re-election then what does, eh?

One more..

Narendra Modi likened to Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot by Congress MP

The INC ain't unnerved one bit by the namo phenomenon. Not one bit, nosir. Clearly. Only.

Congress MP Shantaram Naik today compared Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot.

Naik, Rajya Sabha MP from Goa, said here that India could not allow "rulers like Hitler and (Combodian dictator) Pol Pot" to flourish in the country and destroy "democratic institutions and social fabric".

And oh yeah, sheer class too. wah-wah. again. only.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Jun 2013 09:26

Advani not landing up at Goa at all ?? If the news is true - must say this chap is turning out to be an unmitigated MORON.

If he's really unwell - let him give his blessing to Modi thru a press conference in Delhi.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Jun 2013 09:47

Arjun wrote:Advani not landing up at Goa at all ?? If the news is true - must say this chap is turning out to be an unmitigated MORON.

If he's really unwell - let him give his blessing to Modi thru a press conference in Delhi.

LKA is nursing serious PM ambitions onlee.

Serious damage has been administered to the body politic by foreign born "Indian" politicos -- rajmata, MMS and now LKA.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 10:33

^^ You forgot IK Gujral.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 08 Jun 2013 10:50

I remember reading an incident regarding NT Rama Rao or NTR. Before entering politics, once for a close friend he extensively campaigned in his constituency, yet his friend has lost. Later he entered the direct politics, the best feat of Indian politics happened after Indira's death, TDP won 40 out of 42 seats despite sympathy factor working against TDP. Its because people thought this time, their vote will bring NTR to power. Strange enough, TDP is the biggest opposition party (Janata parivar and/or commies have got less than what TDP got).

Ditto will repeat for NaMo, though cadres are enthused about NaMo during his KA campaign, they know that their vote cannot fix squabbles of BJP KA, so they did not vote for BJP. But scenario changes dramatically if people think that their vote will help NaMo getting in power. If not, how come Radadiya who lost assembly seat in GJ elections, can win handsomely during MP elections. My expectations, if Congress does not pull up a nasty trick, BJP under NaMo can win simple majority on its own, i.e. 275+ seats. How, only time can tell.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 11:04

Just trying to get my head across as to who are not too enthusiastic about Modi's elevation and perhaps who may be expressing this by not attending BJP's National Executive Meeting in Goa 7-9 June, 2013!

LK Advani
Sushma Swaraj
Ananth Kumar
Murli Manohar Joshi
Jaswant Singh (MP Darjeeling, WB)
Uma Bharti (MLA Charkhari constituency, in Mahoba District, UP)
Shatrughan Sinha (MP Patna Sahib, Bihar)
Varun Gandhi (MP Pilibhit, UP) ? - [lost new born baby, so very understandable if not attending]
Yogi Adityananth (MP Gorakhpur, UP)
Bhuwan Chandra Khanduri (former CM Uttarkhand)
Bhagat Singh Koshiyari (former CM Uttarkhand) - [traveling Northeast India]
Ravi Shankar Prasad (RS MP, Bihar) - [traveling Sri Lanka]
Vijay Goel (BJP State Chief, Delhi) - [present in Goa, spoke in favor of LK Advani for PM]
Yashwant Sinha
Maneka Gandhi (MP Aonla, UP)

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 08 Jun 2013 11:05

^^^ I think Mr Advani is not coming because he is bound to be booed at the meeting. It's a face saver.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 08 Jun 2013 11:08

^^ Saw in some TV channel that Maj. Gen. (Retd.) Khanduri is also unwell and perhaps not likely to attend.

EDIT:

@PrabhuChawla
#Advani is genuinely unwell due and can't travel. Sources tell me that he has taken JD(u)'s nod for #NaMO as campaign chief and NOT 4 PM!

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 08 Jun 2013 11:15

RajeshA wrote:Just trying to get my head across as to who are not too enthusiastic about Modi's elevation and perhaps who may be expressing this by not attending BJP's National Executive Meeting in Goa 7-9 June, 2013!

LK Advani - He has his chance didn't deliver. Wants another chance. Also miffed at the way in last Executive meeting Joshi was sidelined and how he wasn't able to influence Rajnath recently on his team selection

Sushma Swaraj - Has PM ambitions of her known. Propped up by NDA allies

Ananth Kumar - Proven non performer. Without any mass appeal

Murli Manohar Joshi - Surprising for me. Old guard may be time to pay old debts

Jaswant Singh (MP Darjeeling, WB) - Vasudha Raje Scindia won't give him ticket in Raj. She has better equation with Modi then him. So he has to hope for someone who will influence ticket distribution on his behest.

Uma Bharti (MLA Charkhari constituency, in Mahoba District, UP) - Spent force has publicly said she can't piss off Advani Ji

Shatrughan Sinha (MP Patna Sahib, Bihar) - Interesting given that Bihar unit is probably most Gung Ho about Modi after Gujrat

Varun Gandhi (MP Pilibhit, UP) ? - [lost new born baby, so very understandable if not attending] - Personal reasons

Yogi Adityananth (MP Gorakhpur, UP) - Safe seat for BJP. He is a non entity

Bhuwan Chandra Khanduri (former CM Uttarkhand)

Bhagat Singh Koshiyari (former CM Uttarkhand) - [traveling Northeast India]

Ravi Shankar Prasad (RS MP, Bihar) - [traveling Sri Lanka]

Vijay Goel (BJP State Chief, Delhi) - [present in Goa, spoke in favor of LK Advani for PM]

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 08 Jun 2013 11:28

RajeshA wrote:Just trying to get my head across as to who are not too enthusiastic about Modi's elevation and perhaps who may be expressing this by not attending BJP's National Executive Meeting in Goa 7-9 June, 2013!

LK Advani

Sushma Swaraj

Ananth Kumar

Murli Manohar Joshi

Jaswant Singh (MP Darjeeling, WB)

Uma Bharti (MLA Charkhari constituency, in Mahoba District, UP)

Shatrughan Sinha (MP Patna Sahib, Bihar)

Varun Gandhi (MP Pilibhit, UP) ? - [lost new born baby, so very understandable if not attending]

Yogi Adityananth (MP Gorakhpur, UP)

Bhuwan Chandra Khanduri (former CM Uttarkhand)

Bhagat Singh Koshiyari (former CM Uttarkhand) - [traveling Northeast India]

Ravi Shankar Prasad (RS MP, Bihar) - [traveling Sri Lanka]

Vijay Goel (BJP State Chief, Delhi) - [present in Goa, spoke in favor of LK Advani for PM]

Suddenly so called top leadership of BJP seems like Big Corps which is top heavy. Why is AK, MM Joshi and JS being counted as heavy weights ?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 11:48

Published on Jun 08, 2013
Munda Comes out in Support of Modi: Ranchi Express

Former Chief Minister of Jharkhand Arjun Munda has said come out in support of Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat, leading the Bhartiya Janta Party in the forthcoming general elections next year. Speaking in Goa, where he has gone to attend the National Executive meeting of the party, Munda said that the country needs a leader who can deliver and take the country on the path of development. According to Munda, Narendra Modi, fits the job.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 11:57

It is really a pity that icons such as LK Advani are making themselves irrelevant in the Bharatiya Nationalist Movement and in the BJP.

He probably has one more day to save his legacy. He doesn't even need to come to Goa. He can hold a press conference in Delhi itself and propose Modi's name.

If however he doesn't do it on Sunday, then the BJP cadre would indeed have difficulty understanding the patriarch and become angry at him. It would be difficulty for him to regain the respect again. He managed once after his comments on Jinnah, and one can see that it never really restored his earlier credentials. This is again one such moment.

Yes the other Namoniacs too would suffer, but they are less important faces than LK Advani.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 08 Jun 2013 12:30

I think he is having hard time coming to terms with what is happening, he expects being a senior member he is the default choice.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 12:56

I hope you guys will come around to say "wow, you knew it all along" finally

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 13:23

dont be Goebbles. dont believe in your own news. Classic @PrakashJavdekar

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 Jun 2013 13:36

Sankuji Maharaj, did you write that for him?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 13:56

Mahendra wrote:Sankuji Maharaj, did you write that for him?

IED Mahadi?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 14:04

OK. Its getting nasty. A mob has gathered in front of LKA's house in Delhi and is sloganeering. Banners say they are 'Namo Army'. Smells fishy. If they start pelting stones or eggs at the house, know that they are more likely INC or AAP goons only.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 14:05

Yashwant's dig at media: I'm not suffering from 'NaMonia'

"I am not suffering from ''NaMonia''. I am in perfect health, but there can be several other reasons for me not going to Goa," he told mediapersons in New Delhi , while expressing his displeasure over media publishing baseless stories about him.

Congress paid media is desperate.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 14:11

Would not discount the possibility of efforts being made to blackmail Rajnath.