Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Jun 2013 16:25

^^^

If Modi steps down now, it might as well be the end of BJP. We are in for at least another 10 years of UPA rule. If Modi is forced to quit. If LKA wants to go let him go. If the JD(U) goes, let them. Its time for the BJP to stand on its own feet. If Modi is the man to make it happen then so be it.

But after having chosen one man as a result of mass cadre support. Repudiating such a choice to please a man way past his prime is foolish.

RNS, must not make this mistake.

What we need is leader and not a compromise.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 10 Jun 2013 16:26

Meanwhile V Naidu clarifies that NaMo is powerless when it comes to choice of candidates, which in fact is the only power that really counts -

Interestingly, Venkaiah Naidu clarified the role of the national campaign committee while speaking to the media soon after the announcement. He said, "This (committee) is supplementary to the party, which will gear up the party, mobilize workers, finalize the nitty-gritty of elections alongside the central election committee that decides on the contestants and the parliamentary board for larger decisions in the party."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 507656.cms

If this is the case then all this Goa hullaballoo was really for nought.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 10 Jun 2013 16:29

saravana wrote:Thank you for the explanation Atri-ji. Hope it doesn't come to pass. It makes me even more angry to look at games people play when vultures are circling. Meanwhile let's unite under the leadership of Shrimati Sushma Swaraj

When people in the game think like this, one has to harden the mind and make wise investments.

I do not wish that whatever I typed materializes, Saravana ji.. But given state of affairs, it is most probable.

Leadership has to be earned. NM is earning it. SS will never be the leader NM can be, even if in opposition. NM should not be abandoned. And NM should not keep Netaji as his ideal. Never give up a hard-fought position earned fair and square - even if it means delaying the victory.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Jun 2013 16:31

Pratyush wrote:^^^

But the question remains, is India as a nation ready to embrace an ideology based party. Or are we destined to be ruled by the Sikular cabal called the UPA.

Also, the urbane India may be chomping at the bit for economis growth. But will the rural India also be looking at economic growth. Or will they be content with the economic and social dole of the UPA. Hoping that the good times will go on.

After all, when my belly is kept full by the state. Why should I vote out the bunch that has given me food.

Even if your belly is full as a human nature you will look for a better change

, just like we change our job.

Secularism is an imaginary policy. It cannot challenge ideology. Nationalism, castism, religion, ethinity all are ideologies and every party is engaged in some or other. I laugh when someone says I am secular. WTF that means? nobody knows. Is it a community? a way of living? a brotherhood? a religion? a social order? WTF it is? Nobody, nobody in this world wakes up thinking he or she is a secular.

The point is, BJP must consolidate and integrate all Hindu segments. It is the only way forward. That does not mean it has to be anti muslim, or anti anyone. Then in longer term try to integrate Muslims.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 10 Jun 2013 16:31

Muppalla wrote:Time is up regarding LKA to even respect him. Just throw him out, throw him out and throw him out. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti!!!!

+1. you cannot win a race with old horse

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jun 2013 16:37

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Sri · Post by **Sri** » 10 Jun 2013 16:37

Pranav wrote:
If this is the case then all this Goa hullaballoo was really for nought.

Pranav Ji campaign committee decided the ticket distribution. Largely the Election committee (always headed by Party chief) goes by campaign committee decisions. These 'nitty-gritty' involves budget allocation of each constituency + campaign plans (which includes rallies by main leaders) + allocation of prachraks who usually train in Nagpur for 24 days. What I know is that campaign plans are a function of how much a candidate can spend and how much muscle he can muster. Top leaders only go for constituencies where organisation is solid and in place.

Many ticket hope fulls can still go to Delhi and lobby though.

Basically the one who heads campaign committee will have loyalties of elected members.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 10 Jun 2013 16:44

excuse me, what is the big deal with LKA? AFAIK, he has done nothing much, considering his top position for decades. policy, legislation, party ideology, party organization, ??? what is his big thing? putting together NDA? At that time it was credited to ABV and now people are crediting LKA with that?

Keeping him around to become another power center that is shelter for the wheeler-dealer 'we are congress by another name' types who are compromised beyond hope - it is probably better to have this purge now and build from here.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 10 Jun 2013 16:47

4:30 pm: Former Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Kalyan Singh says senior BJP leaders are talking to Advani. "I can only request Advaniji to withdraw his resignation. Whatever is coming out is not good. There should be a respectable solution to such a crisis. The role of RSS is important in this. RSS leaders are capable of working out a solution as the BJP can't afford to lose a leader like LK Advani. He had worked hard to get BJP where it is now. I request that Advani should withdraw his resignation keeping in mind the present circumstances," said Singh.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 10 Jun 2013 16:47

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 517337.cms

Can Narendra Modi follow in Morarji Desai's footsteps?
By Ajay Umat & Harit Mehta, TNN | 10 Jun, 2013, 11.07AM IST

What the hell kind of question is this? Who living with half the wits will wish to be like Morarji Desai?

Desai was the head of a short lived menti-sental govt. Is that what these guys are suggesting to NM? MSM has lost it man. Aur abhi to its just day 1 of the new calender.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 10 Jun 2013 16:48

Sri wrote:Largely the Election committee (always headed by Party chief) goes by campaign committee decisions.

This is the Central Election Committee, which has final powers, as per BJP Constitution - http://www.bjp.org/index.php?option=com ... Itemid=487

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 10 Jun 2013 16:50

Arun Shourie 's vision getting played out. Has he spoken yet? Bet there will be fireworks

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 10 Jun 2013 16:51

Can MMJ win a single seat in UP?

3:01 pm: BJP leader Murli Manohar Joshi called up Rajnath Singh and said Advani's resignation will lead to the BJP's downfall.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 10 Jun 2013 16:52

saravana wrote:Arun Shourie 's vision getting played out. Has he spoken yet? Bet there will be fireworks

What did he say?

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 10 Jun 2013 16:55

Advani is acting like a child taking his ball and going home in the hope that the rest of the players beg him to come back so the game can continue.

If he really felt he needed to resign he could have done so on health grounds and offered his blessings to NaMo and co.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 10 Jun 2013 16:57

He was of the opinion to clean up the headquarters. Though a few he named have taken second avatar.! On other news, Timesnow claims that the BJP leadership is not yielding. Hope they stay firm.

James B · Post by **James B** » 10 Jun 2013 17:00

pradeepe · Post by **pradeepe** » 10 Jun 2013 17:04

Mahendra wrote:Manish Sharmaji, it is pointless to argue when random figures are pulled out of musharaff, 1000s were killed, he did nothing vaghera vaghera

Exactly...reeks of an agenda and reads like a theory imagined and then trying the darned best to fit things in. 3 days and hostile center. In the current dispensation and how power is wielded by the ruling party and paid media, if there was an iota of a culpability, it would have been magnified a million times. More than a decade of countless attemps and not one single platform to stand on, but the gall to still go on..

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jun 2013 17:04

The Parliamentary Board takes the call and elects the chairman of the campaign committee. Modi had the majority support in the Parliamentary Board. So they elected Modi. LK Advani couldn't get his way, as he did not have the majority.

So what is the big sulk and resignations about?

Modi won fair and square!

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 10 Jun 2013 17:10

RajeshA wrote:The Parliamentary Board takes the call and elects the chairman of the campaign committee. Modi had the majority support in the Parliamentary Board. So they elected Modi. LK Advani couldn't get his way, as he did not have the majority.

So what is the big sulk and resignations about?

Modi won fair and square!

LK knew this. But he wanted 2 committees. One for National elections and one for State elections. He wanted Modi to head the National committee. If this idea was taken (they can still do it) then there would have been utter confusion. Now all tickets and campaigns are to be planned according to 2014 in mind. 2 committees would have competed for resources and candidates.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Jun 2013 17:11

Perhaps, LKA did not want NaMo to contest for this position it self.

negi · Post by **negi** » 10 Jun 2013 17:12

Good riddance; now please don't take your resignation back.
Oh btw so much for all the hyper analysis on how LKA is in favour of Modi as PM.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jun 2013 17:13

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 10 Jun 2013 17:19

Ok savor this poll :

http://www.firstpost.com/debates/advani ... m=article_

And then this ball by ball account of the day. For the benefit of Nishachar members.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/live- ... 57691.html

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Jun 2013 17:27

Rajnath should stay firm. Ask LKA to go home and call it a day. Concentrate on 2014 and let Modi do his job. Enough of this tamasha.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Jun 2013 17:32

varunkumar wrote:^^^ The current multi-party democracy system is crap -- no other country in the world follows it. Either have a two-party democracy or presidential system. If a person like Modi finds it impossible to rise in the current system, it should be thrown in the bin.

+1. I will lose all hope in the system if NM is back stabbed.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 10 Jun 2013 17:46

The opposition to NM makes one understand how deep is the establishment reach. Reminds me of Kansa try to kill Devki's babies. All this tamasha is only increasing NM's stature in the eyes of the common people.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 10 Jun 2013 17:49

Advani is playing this drama. He is doing it for MAINO and his games are played by paid media.

His mission: I want to lead BJP to defeat In 2014, if not I will destroy it now itself from inside

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 10 Jun 2013 17:51

ravi_g wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 517337.cms

Can Narendra Modi follow in Morarji Desai's footsteps?
By Ajay Umat & Harit Mehta, TNN | 10 Jun, 2013, 11.07AM IST
What the hell kind of question is this? Who living with half the wits will wish to be like Morarji Desai?

Ajay Umat is a known Modi baiter.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Jun 2013 17:54

This picture says most of it except Sangh. LKA irritated Sangh many times like his attacks on Gadkari, Jinna praising, resent KA comments and now this. Elevation of Modi was known and is on cards for a long time. See my posts earlier here in which I said I have spoken with someone from Sangh and it will be Modi. He could have kept quite and kept his respect. Now he lost his respect and lost everything he has helped to build. Sishiya is like a son. Now the old teacher cannot even see the raise of his own Sishya whom he helped all along. To comment that "it is not the same idealistic party" is in a very bad taste.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jun 2013 17:57

After 2014, I hope BJP institutes some changes in the party manifesto. The PM candidate of the BJP should be elected directly by the Karyakartas, similarly to the way it is done in the US Primaries. All RSS members and non-RSS BJP members who have been members for more than 5+X years should be allowed to vote.

Enough with this "Tallest Leader", "Senior-most Leader" stuff!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Jun 2013 18:04

This clearly shows election reforms - particularly inner party elections over seen by election commission on yearly basis with MLA, MP level committees and State/national level committees getting directly elected by party members, and party funding only by members towards membership fee etc, CAG audit of party accounts. Removal of first cross line system to second round election between top two people to determine the winner etc are to be introduced.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 10 Jun 2013 18:08

ok arjun. i'm also reading more about it on the side. thanks for the patience.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 10 Jun 2013 18:17

Nitish thanks Imran Khan for praising Bihar development - IBN Live

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Jun 2013 18:19

Modi has two phenomenal assets that nobody else is going to be able to take away from him -

1) His vision for a development-oriented, corruption-free 'India First' society that is free of the politics of vote banking is unmatched in India politics. There is simply NONE else who can cook up a similar vision or back up this vision with the kind of credibility that he has.

2) As the daily drama to keep Modi down keeps taking a new turn - the Modi 'legend' will only keep growing with every new attack or attempt to pull down his persona.

Good that the deadwood within the BJP have showed their hand early - hopefully the path ahead will be that much clearer.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 10 Jun 2013 18:24

Manish_Sharma wrote: snip.
Yup ask that to Sikhs massacred by Congress leaders like HKL Bhagat, Sajjan Kumar & Jagdish Tytler on direct instructions of Rajiv Gandhi.
snip

manish sharma, that experience in dilli is why i believe these things are not adhoc. that was organized. large scale murders are rarely adhoc.

sanku official numbers are in low 1000s. about a quarter hindu, mostly killed by police.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 10 Jun 2013 18:24

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 1472548864

Narendra Modi wrote:आडवाणीजी से फोन पर विस्तार से बात हुई, उनसे निर्णय बदलने के लिये मैंने आग्रह किया| मुझे आशा है कि वो लाखों कार्यकर्ताओं को निराश नहीं करेंगे

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 3541608448

Narendra Modi wrote:Had a detailed conversation with Advani ji on phone. Urged him to change his decision. I hope he will not disappoint lakhs of Karyakartas. - Narendra Modi

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 10 Jun 2013 18:29

shaardula wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote: snip.
Yup ask that to Sikhs massacred by Congress leaders like HKL Bhagat, Sajjan Kumar & Jagdish Tytler on direct instructions of Rajiv Gandhi.
snip
manish sharma, that experience in dilli is why i believe these things are not adhoc. that was organized. large scale murders are rarely adhoc.

sanku official numbers are in low 1000s. about a quarter hindu, mostly killed by police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence

Official death toll: 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were ultimately killed and 223 more people were reported missing.

In all fairness is this 1000s?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 10 Jun 2013 18:30

shaardula wrote:[
sanku official numbers are in low 1000s. about a quarter hindu, mostly killed by police.

1001 is also in low 1000s. Seriously, why the obfuscation?

1000 people died, 250 in police firing --- 750 died in riots. Not the 100000000000s that you were talking about.

And what about such numbers NOT being unusual in riots?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 10 Jun 2013 18:33

Things are playing to script towards a lady PM for 2014. Election run-up is increasingly taking on a presidential character, the real candidate is yet to emerge into the open.