Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Jun 2013 09:33

What are the chances of Laloo and Nitish getting united to face Modi? There are rumors of JDU quitting NDA by June 16th.

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 12 Jun 2013 09:46

It is deeply saddening that such a stalwart as Advaniji can come to this pass. This was no suicidal attack, IMHO. He probably believed, or was led to believe, that a public show of displeasure on his part would make everyone fall in line. Alas, he was in denial about how much the repeated reverses have eroded his standing. For such a consummate reader of the public pulse, how could he not sense the changing tides?

Let me present this from his point of view. Like a lot of leaders in his generation, he grew up with the ideals of collective leadership - for those like him, the golden days are still the period in early 50s when Nehru was still a first among equals, and then in the mid-to-late 60s when the Syndicate called the shots. He has seen how Indira Gandhi dominated and corrupted an immature political system by her power of personality, and is viscerally distrustful of that mode of governance. He leads by sitting with his peers on cotton stuffed mattresses and reaching a consensus, men like Modi lead by sitting behind a desk and giving orders. Modi, in Advaniji's eyes, is cornering a lot of glory that resulted from the hard work of a lot of others, including such founders of Gujarat BJP as Keshubhai Patel. We all know how Modi slowly edged out the old guard of BJP in Gujarat, until the entire Gujarat BJP leadership is now personally loyal to him and operates in his image. So Advaniji's fears are that he will share Keshubhai's fate, if Modi makes it to PM.

Beyond the natural inclinations, Advaniji is also led by the very recent experience of how BJP was a political isolate right up to the late 90s, and how he himself had to temper his larger ambitions and step aside to let Vajpayee be the acceptable first among equals. He fears that Modi's past will put BJP in the same situation again, and wants Modi to do what he did just 15 odd years ago - take a bullet for the party. He would have no problems with Modi having an extremely senior position, including even the Deputy PM position, as a way station to larger rehabilitation. Advaniji is cautious incrementalist for all his courageous positions, and he would like to see a shishya like Modi follow in his footsteps rather than take a more brazenly ambitious and risker path for the party. Advaniji probably has a vision of Sushma Swaraj as the new Vajpayee and Modi as the new Advani, and with his recent actions Modi is endangering years of careful political groundwork.

We will know soon enough whether Advaniji's instincts are right, or whether the circumstances are sufficiently different to permit Modi to pull off something Advaniji could not. My own sense is that Modi has had a lot of time to script his political rehabilitation, and has done a masterful job of riding the wave of the rising demand for good, clean governance. I do believe that Advaniji's own hubris might be blinding him to ground realities, but I refuse to condemn him thoughtlessly. He deserves a lot more for his service to the country.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jun 2013 09:47

Sushupti wrote:TV9 - How will BJP counter TRS in Telangana?

Would it be possible to give the salient points of this report? TIA

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jun 2013 09:50

Ashok Sarraff wrote:A concern about Modi's personal security that I and others raised earlier. Recent rallies and pictures show how easy it is for general people to get very close to him. With increased cross-country campaigning, threats to his personal safety increase manifold. Who in the government evaluates possible threats to Modi?

This is one thing which keeps hitting my mind as well. The personal security of Narendra Modi. INC is not an angel and I am sure with the current leadership they have, they can goto any levels to harm Modi. Providing security for leaders is the state's concern. But I guess Narendra Modi also have Z+ security. So NSG and the State Police generally is involved in providing personal security. But it would be better for the BJP folks themselves to have a ear close to the ground.

Y I Patel wrote:It is deeply saddening that such a stalwart as Advaniji can come to this pass. This was no suicidal attack, IMHO. He probably believed, or was led to believe, that a public show of displeasure on his part would make everyone fall in line.

As I mentioned earlier it is time to see who are these great advisory gang for Advani. I still feel that he was egged on by a few to try this tantrum.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Jun 2013 09:51

RajeshA wrote:
Sushupti wrote:TV9 - How will BJP counter TRS in Telangana?
Would it be possible to give the salient points of this report? TIA

Some one from AP can help on that. Summary, if Modi goes to Telengana,TRS will lose 6 seats to BJP.

munna · Post by **munna** » 12 Jun 2013 09:59

Y I Patel wrote: Modi, in Advaniji's eyes, is cornering a lot of glory that resulted from the hard work of a lot of others, including such founders of Gujarat BJP as Keshubhai Patel. We all know how Modi slowly edged out the old guard of BJP in Gujarat, until the entire Gujarat BJP leadership is now personally loyal to him and operates in his image. So Advaniji's fears are that he will share Keshubhai's fate, if Modi makes it to PM.

Patelji nice explanation of the fears and motivations of the ageing stalwart. However there is one more perspective that needs to be added. The perspective of CMs, Legislative Party Leaders and countless MLAs/MLCs/MPs who were culled in the aftermath of 2009 elections. The sweat and blood of countless workers between 2004-2013 who were abandoned by a deceitful centre to the tender mercies of security agencies and C-system. I may not be the best person to comment due to my personal grudges involved but LKA acolytes have too many sins in their basket to be able to point fingers at others. Advani was a demi-god but he chose to become a mortal for his personal ambition and now he must accept all the frailities of mortality.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jun 2013 10:06

The Muslim Opinion

Published on Jun 12, 2013
By Dr. Javed Jamil
Beware of NDA Allies!: The Milli Gazette

Both the poles – Communal (Modi) and Secular (Advani) are now shining in full glory. Advani may appear to be down in BJP but he has gone high in NDA.

The whole drama has been meticulously planned and perfectly executed.

It is high time now Muslims recognized the implications. They need not get fooled into thinking that Nitish or other NDA allies would not accept Modi. They very well know that if at all NDA forms a government at the centre, it will owe its victory to the “charisma” of Modi. Their Modiphobia will last only till the last day of voting. Believe it or not, if NDA has adequate number of seats in Parliament, Pujaniya Narendra Modi ji will be the Prime Minister. Punjiya Advaniji will then either go where Vajpayee is or will try to earn for himself a fitting ceremonial post.

If Muslims and other Secular Indians want to stop all this from happening, the immediate need is to put as much pressure as they can on the NDA allies. They must be told in no uncertain terms that they cannot vote for any party that goes with a party headed by Modis and Advanis.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Jun 2013 10:08

RajeshA wrote:
Sushupti wrote:TV9 - How will BJP counter TRS in Telangana?
Would it be possible to give the salient points of this report? TIA

- Strengthening of party, needs leaders and AP BJP should attract leaders from other parties.
- Only national parties can give Telengana, since Con is conning people, only BJP can deliver it.
- Use positive image of NaMo, and project as good alternative to TRS.
- Already attracted Srinivas Reddy from TRS and made him MLA, now Nagam Janardhan Reddy from TDP has came into party.
- BJP itself has reputation of countering minority vote bank (anti-MIM flank).

- TRS has snatched away BJP voters, now they might revert back to BJP and even may garner new votes if NaMo is projected.
- The unofficial candidates Rahul and NaMo.
- Want to get at least 6 MPs, instead of projected 1 MP seat, if they act tactically.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jun 2013 10:20

Shatrughan Sinha has openly claimed to be in the Advani camp. Last time he fought the Loksabha seat of Patna Sahib, Bihar, Rashtriya Janata Dal did not even put up a candidate. SS is also considered to be close to JD(U). The voting percentage was just 33.3% in 2009 in the constituency. His opponent that time was Shakhar Suman from the INC.

Now Shekhar Suman is supporting Modi.

I think there will be a change in the seat allotment there.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jun 2013 10:22

kmkraoind ji, Sushupti ji,

thanks for the trouble.

____________________

Telangana region contributes 17 MPs. Perhaps BJP can take it even higher than 6.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Jun 2013 10:24

If BJP wins big then Modi can tailor made his Cabinet and policies and if they have to be dependent on Nitshit etc then they can rope in Advani to hang them together?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 12 Jun 2013 10:27

Arjun ji, I am from TN. In its current form Tamil identity (in my view) has been corrupted in the last 5-6 decades. Barring a few most of the "historical" "heroes" who are venerated are from the same time period, eclipsing a glorious civilization. When one says Tamil pride it will evoke different images in different minds. To make them aspire to the older ethos is a work that will take more than a few election cycles. Its a chicken and egg problem. Who will bring about such renaissance while the same renaissance is required to bring them to power.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Jun 2013 10:46

RajeshA wrote:The Muslim Opinion

Published on Jun 12, 2013
By Dr. Javed Jamil
Beware of NDA Allies!: The Milli Gazette

Both the poles – Communal (Modi) and Secular (Advani) are now shining in full glory. Advani may appear to be down in BJP but he has gone high in NDA.

The whole drama has been meticulously planned and perfectly executed.

It is high time now Muslims recognized the implications. They need not get fooled into thinking that Nitish or other NDA allies would not accept Modi. They very well know that if at all NDA forms a government at the centre, it will owe its victory to the “charisma” of Modi. Their Modiphobia will last only till the last day of voting. Believe it or not, if NDA has adequate number of seats in Parliament, Pujaniya Narendra Modi ji will be the Prime Minister. Punjiya Advaniji will then either go where Vajpayee is or will try to earn for himself a fitting ceremonial post.

If Muslims and other Secular Indians want to stop all this from happening, the immediate need is to put as much pressure as they can on the NDA allies. They must be told in no uncertain terms that they cannot vote for any party that goes with a party headed by Modis and Advanis.

This is going to be the bigger challenge for Modi. There will be immense pressure from a few allies to go by LKA's choice of candidates.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Jun 2013 11:01

Y I Patel wrote:, that a public show of displeasure on his part would make everyone fall in line.

YIP ji, a very nice post as usual, you should post here more often.

Having said that, my choice of sossai theory (TM Atri-ji) follows from the fact that "fall in line" is as nebulous as "Dx" often cited as the villain, so what did Advani-ji really want? A PM position for himself? Two committees? PM ship for SS/AJ/NG/RNS ? Consensus politics ?

It is not clear to anyone at all, what Advani ji really wanted. As per his observed views (not sources based views) -- it was clear that he has given up claims on PM ship, his constant support for NaMo and pushing him forward is well known, even as close back as Gujarat elections.

The only thing that can make sense is that consensus politics was what he found lacking and therefore reacted to it -- however there are two issues

1) NaMo elevation seems to be a exercise in building consensus and he has had his role to play towards that -- so lack of consensus is not seen.
2) Advani ji will not be such a political novice to not know, that throwing a tantrum was hardly a way to get to that consensus.

So that does not make sense either.

So using the famous Sherlokian adage, "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? "

We are left with no choice but to accept that this was a willful decision, done to achieve certain political alignments, which have been achieved.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 12 Jun 2013 11:05

Occam's razor is an attractive theory too. What's the simplest possibility is of course debatable

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Jun 2013 11:15

If LKA has made 2-MP seat party to 183-member party.
NaMo can make BJP a party of 2 previous govts to 183 future govts party.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Jun 2013 11:17

saravana wrote:Occam's razor is an attractive theory too. What's the simplest possibility is of course debatable

I favor Ocam's razor a lot, just that in this case, its blunted.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 12 Jun 2013 11:23

What LK Advani achieved: he validated his irrelevance

Most analysts tend to the simpler diagnosis of senility, considering its not unusual at his age:

It takes supreme artlessness of enterprise to end up with an outcome that is the precise opposite of what you set out to achieve. BJP senior leader LK Advani has demonstrated over the past 48 hours that his political instincts, which were once razor-sharp (even if they were harnessed in the nasty business of communal polarisation), have become severely blunted with age. Nothing else can account for his petulant resignation from the positions he held in the Bharatiya Janata Party – and his subsequent retraction of his action without anything to show for it but some face-saving deferential chirrups from the party and its mothership, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 12 Jun 2013 11:44

Sanku wrote:
Y I Patel wrote:, that a public show of displeasure on his part would make everyone fall in line.
YIP ji, a very nice post as usual, you should post here more often.

Having said that, my choice of sossai theory (TM Atri-ji) follows from the fact that "fall in line" is as nebulous as "Dx" often cited as the villain, so what did Advani-ji really want? A PM position for himself? Two committees? PM ship for SS/AJ/NG/RNS ? Consensus politics ?

It is not clear to anyone at all, what Advani ji really wanted. As per his observed views (not sources based views) -- it was clear that he has given up claims on PM ship, his constant support for NaMo and pushing him forward is well known, even as close back as Gujarat elections.

The only thing that can make sense is that consensus politics was what he found lacking and therefore reacted to it -- however there are two issues

1) NaMo elevation seems to be a exercise in building consensus and he has had his role to play towards that -- so lack of consensus is not seen.
2) Advani ji will not be such a political novice to not know, that throwing a tantrum was hardly a way to get to that consensus.

So that does not make sense either.

So using the famous Sherlokian adage, "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? "

We are left with no choice but to accept that this was a willful decision, done to achieve certain political alignments, which have been achieved.

If you look at Advani's actions in negative, he pushed Modi high without any contender including himself. From now on there is no pussy-footing with respect to BJP's hard policies.

If you look at in positive angle, he pushed Modi high with him as weak and soft alternative candidate (if not PM at least as kingmaker) for other parties in case BJP doesn't gain enough and needs allies.

Either way all loose-ends are gone both within the party and within the NDA alliance. Now everyone knows who Modi is for 2014.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 12 Jun 2013 11:49

How about moving away from Advani a bit? Assuming that NM will be BJP's PM candidate, who would be the face of Congress? Rahul? MMS? Chiddu?

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 12 Jun 2013 11:50

sushil kumar shinde?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Jun 2013 11:54

Modi's aide Amit Shah kicks off UP tour, faces wrath of SP and Congress

Oh. so the SP and INC haven't taken to Shah's tour well. OK. Turns out its because they believe Shah will have no impact in UP. OK. So what else is new?

Narendra Modi's first move as the BJP's poll panel chief is creating a political storm.
Having despatched close aide Amit Shah, an accused in two fake encounter cases, to get a feel of the politically-sensitive Uttar Pradesh has made the Congress and the Samajwadi Party join ranks in vehement opposition to the former Gujarat home minister

They also say that Shah or his mentor will have no impact in UP.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 12 Jun 2013 12:06

Ashok Sarraff wrote:How about moving away from Advani a bit? Assuming that NM will be BJP's PM candidate, who would be the face of Congress? Rahul? MMS? Chiddu?

One and only Rahul

Who supports Chiddu? except a few hundred voters (EVM votes) in Sivaganga. I don't think any one from AP, MH, and KA support him.
MMS will retire gracefully. That leaves only Rahul unless they want to bring Pranab.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jun 2013 12:13

Actually with nice words towards P. Chidambaram, e.g. condolences to him after his mother passed away, also a nice photo-op at the internal security meet, Modi has tried to ruin PC's chances for UPA PM candidature.

If the Maino clan cannot trust PC to be hardline anti-Modi, then they will always fear he would cooperate with Modi at some level.

The only candidate beside Manmohan Singh, they can put forward is in my opinion P. Chidambaram, Digvijaya Singh or Sushil Kumar Shinde, those with Indic names but compromised religious affiliations.

However since the economy under UPA is not doing so good, the question is if the voters would not reject P. Chidambaram! Sushil Kumar Shinde would be taken apart by Modi for his foot-in-the-mouth disease. So if UPA puts forward somebody, it could be Digvijaya Singh. Digvijaya Singh on a show with Arnab Goswami claimed he is not afraid of Modi and he can take him on point for point, and that he is just as qualified as Modi, also having been a CM.

Digvijaya Singh wants to be general for Rahul's Army and his most avid supporter, so that if Rahul Gandhi gets cold feet, Rahul lets Digvijaya Singh take the lead.

The problem is that the elections for Madhya Pradesh are coming soon, and most probably Digvijaya Singh would not be able to overthrow Shivraj Singh Chauhan, and thus his political credibility would remain low.

Guys like P. Chidambaram can only be night watchmen type of PMs. He would not be able to win any seat from his home state. So he can be put forward as the PM only after an election win, but not before. Rahul Boss would have to lead the Congress.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jun 2013 12:22

Published on Jun 12, 2013
By Manish Kumar
Nitish Kumar leaning towards BJP break-up, asks MLAs not to travel

Senior members of the JDU have resumed attacks on BJP leader Narendra Modi, whose growing hold over the BJP has antagonized the Bihar Chief Minister.

"We cannot compromise with the rioters of 2002," said Narendra Singh, a senior minister from the JDU, referring to Gujarat's communal riots 11 years ago in which hundreds of Muslims were killed during Mr Modi's first term as Gujarat Chief Minister.

So if JD(U) has restarted their attacks on Modi, the divorce is of course clear.

Nitish Kumar doesn't want his MLAs to start traveling around and meeting BJP leaders on the sly.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 12 Jun 2013 12:22

Digvijay Singh !? Certainly hope that happens..... Modi government would become a sure shot in that case.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 12 Jun 2013 12:23

Nandan Nilakeni? I doubt CONgress will risk anyone from politics. Putting my tinfoil hat and without basis on any fact whatsoever, SRT?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Jun 2013 12:29

I agree, singh models himself as bayram khan did with akbar. shinde is invisible compared to the high velocity of singh. good or bad he has made a national brandname as the regent for the crown prince.
he might be put to work holding the seat until the prince feels ready to be king (if ever).

AKA is another possibility if terms with queen bee are good.

Amit shah touring UP reminds me of ghazi khan, malik kafur and other tughlaqi generals raiding the afghan camps all the way to kabul and herat and playing havoc with the hordes there

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Jun 2013 12:31

Check latest tweets from Madhu K on Namo's interest in J&K problem

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 12 Jun 2013 12:37

Going by various news papers, BJP supporter wish is coming true. That castist Nitish is breaking away from NDA around June 15.

In the 8 years what has he done? Some roads and lost of new sub-casts. He belongs to the same class as Laloo. But just being laloo he couldn't dethrone Laloo, so he was pretending to be little different and used BJP.

If you go to Bihar, it still looks like a place what you see in old black and white movie. Majority of state is pitch dark in night. Even villages close to city don't see electricity for weeks. The roads that were constructed 2-3 years ago are now in very bad condition and there is no repair work in sight.

This state is still running thanks to Gujrat(especially Surat), Delhi and Mumbai. Most of the families are surviving of remittance from other states. It was the case 8 years ago and it is still same even now.

Biharis deserve better.

vina · Post by **vina** » 12 Jun 2013 12:41

Hmm. Shivanand Tiwari / JDU are saying goodbye to the BJP. So Bihar is gone, and BJP cannot win big there and in a three cornered fight, Laloo + Congress alliance will sweep Bihar. Nitish I think over reached himself on this. He is bound to lose the next elections.

One thing the Congress can do is call for a snap elections NOW, given that the BJP is in total disarray, and strike while the iron is hot. Don't give Modi the time to consolidate, drive home the advantage in Karnataka , get the best out of TN while Dr Artiste is still alive (the moment he goes, DMK splits and AIADMK is unchallenged) and you have a fighting chance against Amma, and of course use the Modi scare to pick up seats in UP and other places with a strong muslim presence.

Let it slip and allow a strengthened BJP to coalesce around Modi, and the Congress makes it's task even harder. Kangress should call the elections NOW.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 12 Jun 2013 12:42

Why do they deserve better? This is not a knock on Biharis. I would say the same for Tamils. Am genuinely curious.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Jun 2013 12:44

Vina - are you really a well wisher of the nation sirji? or just playing devils advocate and kicking the ball around here?

what kind of growth and leadership do you think a 'smart' INC which calls and wins elections NOW can deliver which they could not deliver last 9 yrs? the NAC and all the JNU ding dongs you love to hate in other threads are still going to be there, the durbaris are all there - nothing will change.

nobody who can do anything good is hiding in the INC waiting for 2014 to start working

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Jun 2013 12:51

Industrial growth hits 2%. True hindoo rate I guess. MMS ki jai ho.

Meanwhile Amit Shah is going to meet Kalyan Singh in UP. How is Kalyan Singh and old leaders in UP sitting with the new leader in town? All is well or will Kalyan do a LKA at the last minute?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Jun 2013 12:58

^^ The undercurrent in all UP is that finally a serious OBC contender for PM ship has arisen.... Buzz growing louder each day, sekulars in firefighting mode. Kalyan is reportedly v happy with NM's elevation.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Jun 2013 13:02

Hari Seldon wrote: Kalyan is reportedly v happy with NM's elevation.

NM will not be a problem for him. My question was more about Amit Shah leading the campaign.

vina · Post by **vina** » 12 Jun 2013 13:06

Singha wrote:Vina - are you really a well wisher of the nation sirji? or just playing devils advocate and kicking the ball around here?

Both !

. I do think that Modi is bad news for India's social fabric in the long run. That kind of antagonism and polarization he carries will simply alienate muslims even more (okay one can argue that wtf, they are already alienated etc, but then everything is done on hope only).

And devils advocate is good. The BJP folks need to look at the larger picture beyond Modi's economic and governance record in Guj. India is not Gujarat alone.

what kind of growth and leadership do you think a 'smart' INC which calls and wins elections NOW can deliver which they could not deliver last 9 yrs? the NAC and all the JNU ding dongs you love to hate in other threads are still going to be there, the durbaris are all there - nothing will change.

nobody who can do anything good is hiding in the INC waiting for 2014 to start working

I think the NAC and JNU ding dongs have thoroughly discredited themselves (notice the stubborn inflation over the past few years and the economic troubles all their money printing and deficit financed "welfarism" took us). They are history and I think they will be shut up. The balance is now back with the technocratic and reform oriented impulses in the Kangress. The more Kangress tells that insufferable Buffoon and Walking Disaster, Digvijay Singh (who like Lallo has an incredible record of running the state he governed for two terms to dust) to shut up and take a walk and tells the politico monkeys to keep their flea picking hands off running the country and interfering with governance, things will be fine. Congress does have a competent set of folks (Chidambaram, Jayaram Ramesh ... Nilekani will get roped in eventually, and a host of others they can get in), the buffoons with politico backgrounds need to be told to go jump and the saner folks in Congress will get a free hand in running the govt and in reforms. And oh, dont even get me started on Pranab Mukherjee's record in the Finance Ministry.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 12 Jun 2013 13:07

namo will sweep up and jharkhand. bihar will be decided upon how JDU behaves. the upper caste had nowhere to go till now. namo brings a credible option to the table. his being an OBC is slowly getting into the minds of lots of people and will prove to be crucial in the coming months. hopefully he does not play the obc card himself, which i am sure he never has and never will. otherwise, it will bring his credibility a bit lower.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 12 Jun 2013 13:16

vina wrote: And oh, dont even get me started on Pranab Mukherjee's record in the Finance Ministry.

But can we get you started on the Dynasty, sirji ? The fact that you don't see the incongruity between the anti-leftist stance that you like to wear on your sleeve and your pristine support for the Dynasty - tells us everything we need to know about your thinking abilities.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Jun 2013 13:22

absolutely nothing has prevented the INC from getting rid of the dead wood & durbaris and bringing in better folks and reformers NOW. after all they could use it before 2014 as a +ve thing.

but it is not done and will never be done because that is not the nature of the system in inc.