Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Jun 2013 09:58

Bihar BJP gives nod to split, says enough is enough

Can the BJP form the government in Bihar on its own?

habal · Post by **habal** » 14 Jun 2013 10:17

krisna wrote:another way is the way Delhi is ruled and crimes keep increasing aginst women despite both state and center belong to same party.

Keeping Delhi unsafe for women wasn't part of the original plan, but it distracts the commons from Congress misrule and keeps them off balance. Also other sundry crimes in the periphery, encouraging louts and thugs from the periphery to somewhat flourish by loose governance also is part of a plan. It keeps the masses from getting united on any single issue and divides on basis of caste. It is very important for corruption and special interest groups to thrive, that the area of the capital region should be kept unstable from law & order point of view for the masses.

Mind you only for the masses, it is unstable. You don't hear of the elites getting raped or mugged or whatever. The daughters of MPs, MLAs, Mantris and Santris and Tantris are perfectly safe. One good thing Anna Hazare movement did was to remove that psychological barrier. Some western-funded organization has studied this game plan and probed the defences.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Jun 2013 10:44

NM machine moving on Delhi state unit too, seems like. New state in-charge could be Ravi shankar prasad, "sources" say. Well, change can't be worse than the current insipid status quo, at any rate.

BJP, Congress planning major rejig in Delhi ahead of assembly elections

Both the Congress and the BJP are considering appointing new party in-charges in Delhi, which goes to the polls later this year. While the Sheila Dikshit-led Congress government will try to hold on to power, the BJP is making efforts to dislodge it.

With Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi having taken the charge of BJP's election campaign committee, there is a "good possibility" that a person close to him will be given the responsibility to spearhead the party's challenge in the electoral battle, party sources said. Currently, M. Venkaiah Naidu is the party in charge of Delhi.

One name doing the rounds is that of Ravi Shankar Prasad. "He has a strong hold over state-level leaders, and it is believed that he will be able to reunite party workers," said a senior party leader.

Sources said that at the Delhi level, the party needs a leader who can stem the growing factionalism. There are many groups at the state level and there are leaders who don't listen to the state party president, Vijay Goel.

The other names that may be considered by the BJP are of Kalraj Mishra and Shahnawaz Hussain. While Mishra is known to be from the RSS camp, sources said Hussain can help the party garner support of Poorvanchali workers as well as voters.

Good. Shake 'em things up. NM needs competent people he can implicitly trust in key states.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Jun 2013 10:45

They should bring in Sushma Swaraj for CM position and fight behind her, they will win Delhi.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 14 Jun 2013 11:08

Sanku wrote:They should bring in Sushma Swaraj for CM position and fight behind her, they will win Delhi.

i doubt she will be ready for it. why not Kiran Bedi? only if she is willing to join bjp.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Jun 2013 11:39

May be Kiran Bedi can be a BJP supported independent candidate. Who could be given a political post later. If she proves amenable to such an arrangement.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 14 Jun 2013 14:24

Sanku wrote:They should bring in Sushma Swaraj for CM position and fight behind her, they will win Delhi.

Both Arun Jaitley and Sushma don't want to be involved in Delhi assembly elections, they want Sansad bhavan or be in central govt.

Sushupti, Pratyush it won't be good idea BJP supporting independent kiran bedi as it'll signal as if BJP has no one good enough to be projected as CM in the party. Dr. Harshwardhan will be good candidate, though I like the agressiveness of Goyal too on TV.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Jun 2013 14:38

Manish_Sharma wrote:
Sanku wrote:They should bring in Sushma Swaraj for CM position and fight behind her, they will win Delhi.
Both Arun Jaitley and Sushma don't want to be involved in Delhi assembly elections, they want Sansad bhavan or be in central govt.

I know it is unlikely that they would like to come "down" from such positions to a state level position. But I think SS would be doing both herself, her party and Delhi a big favor if they pull this unexpected change.

We shall see though.

Arav · Post by **Arav** » 14 Jun 2013 14:43

Is there any capable leader to replace Laloo. BJP should plan for long term and should make preparations to attract the yadav vote bank.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Jun 2013 14:50

14:12 Sharad Yadav: NDA still exists, why should we talk about a Third Front?: BJP leader Rajiv Pratap Rudy has said that both JD(U) and BJP needed Modi. "It is wrong to say that we have given BJP any ultimatum. That report is wrong. We are definitely concerned over the sequence of events in BJP in last few days," Yadav said, adding that these and other issues would be discussed at a two-day party meeting beginning tomorrow.

Asked about a rapproachment with BJP, he said, "Why not? Options are still not closed." Yadav refused to talk about the possibility of a 'Federal Front' mooted by West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee.

"The question does not arise now. NDA still exists. Where has NDA broken up that you are talking of a Third Front," he said

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 14 Jun 2013 15:06

Hari Seldon wrote:^^ Also notice how the (f)article uses the term 'staged encounter' with the quotes or any qualification whatsoever implying it is a known fact that the encounter was 'staged'.

I blame NDA govt from 1999 to 2003 for not taking the bull by its horns. Hopefully a nationalistic govt lead by Modi won't worry of repercussions.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Jun 2013 17:14

Arav wrote:Is there any capable leader to replace Laloo. BJP should plan for long term and should make preparations to attract the yadav vote bank.

his son has been blooded into politics.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jun 2013 02:29

BJP pushing us to doom, can't save alliance, says Nitish Kumar

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Jun 2013 09:35

^^^

Sushma's words will fall on deaf ears

Only a united opposition can defeat Congress: Sushma Swaraj

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Jun 2013 10:36

The gaming and intrigues have started full speed already... The NDA split is seen as a given by all now.

>>@IndiaToday 28m
RJD not to vote with BJP if no-confidence motion against Bihar, say sources

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 15 Jun 2013 11:16

Will Lalo save the day for NK. Not before hell freezes over especially after Maharjganj victory.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jun 2013 11:22

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Jun 2013 11:28

Or may be Laloo will merge his party with the JD(U). After all, they both started as JD. While I am at it, what are the possibilities of the BJD becoming a part of the formation, and returning to the fold of JD.

But I still fail to see any gain that may accrue to Nitish Kumar from the split.

What is the input he is getting from the grass roots, that he is behaving this way.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Jun 2013 11:31

meanwhile things are moving on the ground and moving quickly.

BJP ministers turn down Nitish Kumar invite, JD-U core group meets in Patna

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Jun 2013 11:49

Pratyush wrote:But I still fail to see any gain that may accrue to Nitish Kumar from the split.

What is the input he is getting from the grass roots, that he is behaving this way.

Well, here's some thinking from the other side of the aisle... FWIW

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Jun 2013 13:58

JD(U) and NK is not going to gain much. They are already in power and the combination was very good and Lalu and gang can not defeat them in near future. What more he is going to gain now. He will create a new enimy in BJP, Muslim may not vote for him, he has not workers net work on ground like BJP and basically he is risking big - his CM position - without gaining anything much.

Why then he is doing it - Principles ???? Come on. He is either being blackmailed or paid or dreaming

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 15 Jun 2013 14:06

It is time that BJP end the b*ll$hit and sever the alliance with JDU. Let NK face the dogs by himself. He will come crawling back in a much weaker position and his tail tucked firmly between his legs. We all saw what lalu did to his 6 seats. BJP gains little as the alliance stands anyway. Its amazing how greed will destroy the very side one is on.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 15 Jun 2013 15:22

Bihar is baffled at this gambit of NiKu

Alternative to present coalition is

1. RJD+INC combine = big zero
2. JDU +INC= less seat for JDU, INC will still be next to nothing JDU would have to ask RJD and NiKu crdibility would be over.Even if he survives with RJD abstaining to support.
3. RJD alone = banking on split votes of JDU and BJP. A night are for Bihari , not likely to happen.
4.JDU alone = banking on Muslim benevolence which may not happen as they would prefer RJD and split with INC
5.BJP alone= banking on Modi factor and betrayal . Sushil Modi is no Yeddy for sure. He is intelligent and has good record as FM.

LJP has limited utility in smaller geographical area so not much of a factor.
Ihar
But it will have big imact on LS Poll which is the main aim of INC.Bihar is good as gone for them so they would not bother what they get as long as BJP and JDU don't get enough. RJD is always itching for national role with INC as Bihar would not give him absolute majority that he had enjoyed while destroying Bihar.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Jun 2013 21:24

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Jun 2013 03:40

Barring announcement, it's all over between JD(U) and BJP

Nitish 'opportunist', hosted RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat: Lalu Prasad Yadav

Narendra Modi an arrogant person with divisive attitude: JD(U)

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Jun 2013 03:44

The heir, the apparent

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 16 Jun 2013 04:27

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1470333

If Sheila aunty will not contest elections -- then at least the monkey with a gun has success at last.

question is whetehr she will go into political oblivion or get pitch forked as a trusted lieutenant as PM candidate for 2014.

Remember she has some pull amongst common man and congi supporters.
Age is not with her,subservient to termite queen, can groom forever youthful baby till she decides to retire herself.

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will be funny if sheila aunty does not contest Delhi elections, then monkey with a gun will not contest elections.
OTOH will he move to MP elections and contest her in loksabha or just a monkey with a gun.

If so he would have truly mutated.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 16 Jun 2013 05:24

I think the key to NiKu's current behavior is his recent visit to Pakistan. There he was treated almost like a visiting PM, and was prominently pictured having meetings with the likes of Imran Khan who is the current favourite of ISI and PA.

As a CT, I think NiKu has been promised (by the ISI), among other things, a large block of Muslim votes in Bihar, if he breaks and comes out of the NDA and stops NaMo's rise to PM.

JMT. TIFWIW.

disha · Post by **disha** » 16 Jun 2013 06:16

abhishek_sharma wrote:The heir, the apparent

Even though the purported "article" tries to do equidistant comparative analysis., it is still vituperative of Modi.

Modi in his BJP HQ address clearly pointed out Dr. Raman Singh's achievement in C'Garh. Also in C'Garh Dr. Raman Singh publicly stated that Modi is my leader.

Within Gujarat., it is actually heartening to see *only* 8 cabinet ministers (incl. Modi) and 9 ministers of state. That is just a some total of 17 ministers. Cabinet ministers have multiple charges - for eg. Finance, Health, Medical education, Family welfare, transportation is part of Nitinbhai Patel's portfolio. There is a loose grouping of like portfolios under one minister and this gives a cohesitivity in governance. There is Ramanlal vora who I think got elected 4 times and cannot be called as root less leaders.

So coming to "no dissension allowed" in the cabinet meetings., sometimes I wonder why the media expects shor-gool in cabinet meetings., if somebody has a counter-point., it can be handled outside of the meetings and the meetings can be done as "assensions"!

Minus that and the talk about "handlers" white-washing Modi., the rest of the article is readable.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 16 Jun 2013 06:29

twitter was abuzz with an aaj tak delhi survey which gave bjp 39/70, cong 28/70. fordiwal 2-3% vote share.

Does anybody have a link??

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 06:56

Kakkaji wrote:I think the key to NiKu's current behavior is his recent visit to Pakistan. There he was treated almost like a visiting PM, and was prominently pictured having meetings with the likes of Imran Khan who is the current favourite of ISI and PA.

As a CT, I think NiKu has been promised (by the ISI), among other things, a large block of Muslim votes in Bihar, if he breaks and comes out of the NDA and stops NaMo's rise to PM.

JMT. TIFWIW.

Exactly, he is being asked to play Mulayam in Bihar.

niran · Post by **niran** » 16 Jun 2013 08:01

Kakkaji wrote:I think the key to NiKu's current behavior is his recent visit to Pakistan. There he was treated almost like a visiting PM, and was prominently pictured having meetings with the likes of Imran Khan who is the current favourite of ISI and PA.

As a CT, I think NiKu has been promised (by the ISI), among other things, a large block of Muslim votes in Bihar, if he breaks and comes out of the NDA and stops NaMo's rise to PM.

JMT. TIFWIW.

add to that an appointment of 400% loy......er ex Congeresi Governor plus allowances and funds through
socalled pichara state

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 16 Jun 2013 16:24

Digvijaya Singh will look after Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Goa: Janardan Dwivedi

CP joshi will look after West Bengal, Assam and Andaman Nicobar islands: Janardan Dwivedi

Hariprasad will look after Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Odisha assisted by Bhakta Charan Das, Shubhankar Sarkar and Tara Chand Bhagora: Janardan Dwivedi

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 18 Jun 2013 00:59

Interesting slogan: 'MP BJP targets hat-trick chanting 'Om NaMo Shivaye'

NaMo=NaMo
Shivaye=Shivraj Singh

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 633998.cms

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Jun 2013 13:42

Pro dynasty spin doctoring in full flow

Lok Sabha polls 2014: Back to basics for Congress and BJP

Of course, back then nobody foresaw the implosion in the BJP and the NDA over the former’s decision to elevate Narendra Modi as the face of its election campaign. Everyone underestimated the power of the Congress’s survival instincts; some even predicted its death. Not many were willing to buy that Indian polity is no more about the Congress-BJP duality, but an arrangement of centrifugal forces whose support to national parties is more a matter of convenience than of compulsion.

With the playing field level, from now on it has to be a battle of strategies for the Congress and the BJP. Their task is cut out. They not only have to win a good number of seats but also attract allies to add to the numbers to go beyond the 272 mark. Touching 150 appears difficult for both at the moment.

It’s an arduous, long-term process. But Rahul has shown no fatigue so far. Many might find it a pointless, even an escapist, exercise but anybody with even pedestrian understanding of politics would acknowledge that leaders amount to nothing without a strong organisational network to fall back upon. He is busy with the basics; the media critics can keep debating whether he is prime minister material or not.

And yes, while Rahul is at it, the party is making its caste maths right.It was evident in yesterday’s Union cabinet reshuffle. The Congress is shifting whom it perceives to be efficient back to the organisation. It does not expect the reputation of the government to give it a victory and it does not expect the urban middle class’s perception of the government or the party to change dramatically no matter what it delivers now. So, the safe bet is to go back to the rural voter, which has so far shown no great resentment towards it. If it’s armed with something like the Food Security Act, it would provide the grassroots workers an effective talking point.

Modi is a polarising leader. It’s this specific asset that the wider Sangh Parivar is going to utilise to the hilt. The simple logic is, what’s the point having Modi at the top if there’s no polarisation? That’s his strength. All that talk of development and growth is for the consumption of the middle class and it could be countered easily with statistics. But to get votes eleswhere, polarisation is necessary. Don’t be surprised if you hear of the revival of the Ram temple movement soon from the fringe elements of the Sangh Parivar and the beginning of a mobilisation on a specific religious issue. The Congress is waiting for an electoral windfall by way of counter polarisation.

It is in this light that we have to see the recent rumor of NaMo visiting Ayodhya and then canceling his visit.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Jun 2013 14:14

^Like a wag mentioned on twitter... if only the COng had planted trees instead of media stories, we'd have a veritable amazon in India by now only....

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 18 Jun 2013 14:34

As its playing out in Bihar right now, full marks to BJP.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Jun 2013 15:11

Plain speak from NaMo, some thing that people on the forum have been saying for some time.

BJP doesn't need allies which are against it, Modi tells Advani

James B · Post by **James B** » 18 Jun 2013 15:18

Akshaya Mishra and Bekar Patel are the black swans of Firstpost otherwise its a decent news portal with Pro-modi bias. So, just ignore these two spin-doctors.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 18 Jun 2013 19:06

We all knows who owns first post sir. What else you expect from it?