Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 16 Jun 2013 16:24

I remember seeing on some news channel or MTV where girls were asked why they would vote for Amul baby and I vividly remember them as saying "cause he looks so smart and handsome". These Bekar Patels belong to the same jackass category as those girls belong hence the same thinking.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 16 Jun 2013 16:39

Nitish betrayed people of Bihar: Sushil Modi

Patna: Addressing the media after the split of BJP and JD(U) in Bihar, Sushil Modi said on Sunday that it was a ‘black day’ in the history of Bihar.

Hitting back at Bihar Chief Minsiter for ending a seventeen year old alliance, the senior BJP leader said, “Nitish Kumar should have quit as the chief minister as he was the NDA nominee for the state.”

He added, “The mandate in last Bihar Assembly elections was for NDA. He also catergorically stated, “Nitish has betrayed the people of Bihar.”

The senior BJP leader said, “JD(U) had given us time till December 31 to name our prime ministerial candidate,” adding, “Earlier JD(U) had called Narendra Modi’s elevation as the party’s poll panel chief as its internal matter.”

He further said, “No political party has so far announced their PM candidate.”

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 16 Jun 2013 16:40

Sagar G wrote:You got it wrong BJP had said it earlier that the mandate in Bihar was for NDA and now since Nitish has chosen to walk out of it on flimsy excuse hence BJP has the upper hand in claiming that it wasn't responsible for the NDA break. BJP's internal dynamics is of no concern to Nitish, wait and see what a hard time Nitish would face convincing voters about this decision of his.

Sir, the man on the street might know that BJP was unhappy with NK's stand. However, everyone will say "NK left because he was against NM" - notice the quote started with "NK left...". Noone is going to say "BJP was unhappy with NK". The only thing I see that BJP gains is a sympathy wave, perhaps this is what they were aiming for. They don't gain the upper hand as such, unless snap elections are held. I don't think congress will let this happen for this very reason, so I forsee Lalu not voting against NK.

Amol.D wrote:with due respect, how would BJP have gained the upper position if they had pulled the plug? The people of Bihar are annoyed that a good government is being broken up in this way, and by letting Nitish pull the plug BJP has put the onus of the decision on him. By letting Nitish be the one to break the coalition, BJP has gained the upper position.

Anmol ji, BJP would have gained the upper hand by showing strength and unity. It would also have sent a strong signal to other allies who may have been thinking along the lines of NK. People of bihar showed their annoyance by voting in non JDU candidates in the by-elections recently. This should have been a cue to BJP that JDU has lost it and took the decision to kick NK out. From Modi's perspective, it would have also given the perception that BJP's a no-nonsense party and won't compromise on sickularism - something that BJP desperately needs after it's useless performance due to divisions within the party.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 16:49

I think with the exit of JDU soosai theories must be given rest.

Advani has done a huge favour to the UPA
MADHAV NALAPAT

As for Narendra Modi, who is being opposed within not only the Congress but in his own party not because he may fail — as they claim — but that he may shock the pundits by actually securing 175 or more seats for the BJP. He is certainly a polarizing figure, and because of his caste background (important in a country where this social scourge refuses to disappear) may cut deeply into the vote banks of the SP, the RJD and the JDU, should Nitish snap links with the BJP. Samizdat (the invisible information system) may catch fire with anticipation of the possibility of India's first Backward Class Prime Minister. Add to that the fact that his first job was as a teenager making tea for his father to sell on railway platforms in clay pots, as well as the fact that his relatives still live in extremely moderate circumstances, unlike for example the families of Lalu Yadav or Mulayam Singh Yadav. Stir within the mix support from that Yadav stalwart, Baba Ramdev, and the swelling tide of majoritarian pride that a Narendra Modi nomination for the nation's top job (till Manmohan Singh took over in 2004 and adopted the Chinese system of the party being superior to the government) would be likely to cause, and there are rational grounds for believing that the analyses of psephologists that the BJP cannot reach even close to double figures may prove to be wrong. Narendra Modi in 2013 is a force in Indian politics of such uniqueness that the only parallel which comes to mind is Indira Gandhi during 1969-71, which is why the BJP's leaders are wary of his ascendance, while everybody else in the party is euphoric. Should the public rallies that the newly anointed Campaign Committee chairperson is planning materialise, and should they be a success, he may be unstoppable even should Nitish Kumar, Naveen Patnaik and others join with Ahmed Patel and L.K. Advani in seeking to block him. The BJP's oldest leader must be hoping that Modi will get sidelined well before the Gujarat CM hits the campaign trail and shows who really counts: the dozen at the top or the millions lower down.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis ... to-the-upa

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 16:57

For BJP to have a chance, NDA must go

This is imperative given the alacrity with which LK Advani sprang to life as chairperson of the NDA and virtually offered the Janata Dal-United (JDU) a veto on Narendra Modi’s inevitable elevation as his party’s Prime Ministerial candidate. This confirms the suspicion that the ‘illness’ that kept him away from the Goa conclave was simply a mix of personal pique and frustrated ambition. It validates the writer’s contention that Advani deliberately retained the post of NDA chairperson while resigning from party positions, and will (mis)use this status to checkmate Modi, even if this means scuttling the BJP’s chances of returning to power at the Centre.

The BJP does not need the NDA even if it has to enter into a coalition with other parties to form the Government at a later date. A coalition is a convenience for the Government formation when no party commands an independent majority; it is intrinsically transitional and dissolves after the Government ceases to exist, as the next election could return parties to Parliament in different strengths. Alternatively, its components can vary while the government is in power, as in the present UPA, where the DMK and Trinamool Congress have quit the coalition.

More pertinently, a coalition has no constitutional existence. While political parties are Constitutional entities in that they are recognised by the Election Commission (which enables them to contest elections), and by Income Tax authorities, and are subject to various laws of the land, a coalition has no Constitutional or legal status. No political party can be penalised for quitting or joining a coalition, and anti-defection laws do not apply to such alliances. Hence, the BJP would do well to shed false emotions and some natural anxiety and exit the NDA which is impeding its growth, spread, and momentum.

An immediate gain will be the automatic end of Advani’s position as NDA chairperson, and diminution of his ability to blackmail or sabotage the party and its popular leadership. The BJP has only to ask itself one question – can it go to the voter on a platform that promises that Narendra Modi will Not be its Prime Ministerial candidate? If the answer is negative, it must negate the influence of those manipulating its defeat at the hustings.

In the weeks and months before elections are announced, BJP must remedy some serious errors of the past and build the party in States where it surrendered its own growth to regional allies or to the wrong policies of rootless but manipulative leaders, viz., Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, West Bengal, Tripura, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Odisha, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir, and others. Special emphasis could be laid on Telengana region, since the party is committed to a separate State there.

Equally, BJP need not show nervousness by flirting with the idea of a federal front, but should concentrate on expanding its reach. The actual numbers of the next Parliamentary election will determine which party (or coalition) and which leader will lead the nation. There is no need to anticipate the future in a manner that retards one’s own growth. The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa has the correct attitude in this regard – concentrate on winning the maximum seats. Hence she has decided not to align with any party to contest the elections; alliances, if necessary, will come later.

Finally, it is a safe bet that a non-Congress and a non-BJP coalition will be a non-starter in the present circumstances, when the nation is craving for strong and coherent leadership. That is the logic behind Modi’s elevation as Campaign Committee Chief; that is why BJP must assume that it will form the Government or be the kernel around which an alliance takes shape. Having said that, BJP must carefully deliberate over its agenda, so that it does not have to endorse ill-conceived statements by any leader. The VHP driven by Dr Pravin Togadia is already trying to queer the pitch for Narendra Modi by raising the demand for the Ram temple when the matter is pending in the Supreme Court. This can only alienate the judiciary and large sections of the citizenry.

Yet Amit Shah, in-charge of the Uttar Pradesh election, has been reported as having said that the temple is “a poll issue” for the party. Surely, he needs to rephrase. If the temple is part of an unfulfilled civilisational agenda, then it should not be diminished by being reduced to a poll gimmick, but must be settled in a more mature way, outside the electoral arena. Knee jerk reactions owing to an absence of ideas can only do more damage than good to the party. More to the point, BJP’s track record in upholding its supposedly core issues is poor; it would be counter-productive to draw national attention to this fact.

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/06/15/f ... 90319.html

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 16 Jun 2013 17:04

Shonu wrote:Sir, the man on the street might know that BJP was unhappy with NK's stand. However, everyone will say "NK left because he was against NM" - notice the quote started with "NK left...". Noone is going to say "BJP was unhappy with NK". The only thing I see that BJP gains is a sympathy wave, perhaps this is what they were aiming for. They don't gain the upper hand as such, unless snap elections are held. I don't think congress will let this happen for this very reason, so I forsee Lalu not voting against NK.

How can you say that "everyone" is going to say that ??? Even if we consider what you are saying is true what logic is behind such a move ??? What happens within BJP is none of JD(U)'s business. You think that Nitish would be able to justify that when people question his move. Modi is a performer while Nitish is facing anger not only from the public in Bihar but also within his party there are people who aren't happy with him. What grand plan does Nitish has to quell all these angry people ??? Run to congress and you betray the cause of existence of your party, he can't run to Lalu or Paswan. Who else remains ??? Nitish would have a hard time to prove majority and even if he is successful in doing so still it won't be an easy walk for Nitish after that.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jun 2013 17:12

^^noose channels are saying that BJP has decided not to seek the fall of the nitish govt and instead focus on the LS polls. Smart move - saddling nitish with the incumbency factor and tainted association with the congress.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 16 Jun 2013 17:19

^^^ Hmmm smart move indeed but I hope they are planning to cause a break in JD(U) at the right moment.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 17:20

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Jun 2013 17:22

Hari Seldon wrote:^^noose channels are saying that BJP has decided not to seek the fall of the nitish govt and instead focus on the LS polls. Smart move - saddling nitish with the incumbency factor and tainted association with the congress.

Laloo also abstaining. Everyone wants Nitish to do things in isolation before the next election. One of my friends from Bihar is saying that Ramvilas Paswan is irrelevant in Bihar and Laloo+INC is also difficult to start. Rise of Laloo is certain per him.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 17:22

Advani blames Modi’s hasty elevation for BJP-JD(U) rift

New Delhi: Veteran Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader LK Advani reportedly called party president Rajnath Singh on Sunday and blamed the decision of elevating Gujarat Chief Minister as the reason behind the split with JD(U).

Advani blamed the “hasty decision” of appointing Modi as the BJP poll panel chief, as per news reports.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ad ... 55399.html

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Jun 2013 17:26

The power seems to be shifting to villages and interior regions away from Dilli Billi. Advani, Sushma, Sharad Yadav are all purely Dilli folks these days and nothing else. Even inside Congress Sonia/Rahul cannot do much in an election rally. In AP, Haryana, KA or even in Maha no one comes to their rallies and they cannot even organize using their followers a simple and decent rally. If the regional satraps decide to not help their rallies get less than 5000. See in KA irrespective of who won, no one from Delhi are able to call the shots. The only power left in Delhi is the constitutional power and the power due to misuse of it.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Jun 2013 17:27

Sushupti wrote:Advani blames Modi’s hasty elevation for BJP-JD(U) rift

New Delhi: Veteran Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader LK Advani reportedly called party president Rajnath Singh on Sunday and blamed the decision of elevating Gujarat Chief Minister as the reason behind the split with JD(U).

Advani blamed the “hasty decision” of appointing Modi as the BJP poll panel chief, as per news reports.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ad ... 55399.html

Next step is hastily elevate Modi to PM candidacy.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 16 Jun 2013 17:27

we certainly are moving back to the 90's....In his hunger for power, Nitish has given an opening to that original khotalebaz, the chara-khor lallu.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 16 Jun 2013 17:32

The question again is what is Nitish's calculation. Why was he in such a hurry to end the relationship that had proved so beneficial to him.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 16 Jun 2013 17:35

Sagar G wrote:How can you say that "everyone" is going to say that ??? Even if we consider what you are saying is true what logic is behind such a move ??? What happens within BJP is none of JD(U)'s business. You think that Nitish would be able to justify that when people question his move. Modi is a performer while Nitish is facing anger not only from the public in Bihar but also within his party there are people who aren't happy with him. What grand plan does Nitish has to quell all these angry people ??? Run to congress and you betray the cause of existence of your party, he can't run to Lalu or Paswan. Who else remains ??? Nitish would have a hard time to prove majority and even if he is successful in doing so still it won't be an easy walk for Nitish after that.

Sagar ji, I was not saying NK would gain. But rather BJP lost an opportunity. Although I feel BJP lost an opportunity for showing strength and unity, I don't think the loss is too much. Moreover I am glad this ended, whatever the method.

Sushupti wrote:Advani blames Modi’s hasty elevation for BJP-JD(U) rift

New Delhi: Veteran Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader LK Advani reportedly called party president Rajnath Singh on Sunday and blamed the decision of elevating Gujarat Chief Minister as the reason behind the split with JD(U).

Advani blamed the “hasty decision” of appointing Modi as the BJP poll panel chief, as per news reports.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ad ... 55399.html

Yet everyone was begging for this man to stay. Seriously, so many people in BJP seem to be there for the sole purpose of destroying any hope of revival. Greed is a bigger enemy to BJP/NM than congress.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 16 Jun 2013 17:42

Shonu wrote:Sagar ji, I was not saying NK would gain. But rather BJP lost an opportunity. Although I feel BJP lost an opportunity for showing strength and unity, I don't think the loss is too much. Moreover I am glad this ended, whatever the method.

BJP didn't bend backwards to appease Nitish isn't that a show of strength and unity ??? For me BJP Bihar unit is the biggest winner here they literally showed middle finger to Nitish and gave two hoots about his rants. Now they should go for the kill.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 16 Jun 2013 17:45

nitish wants to become the new secular poster boy, aka lalu chara-khor yadav by stopping the "rath-yatra" of mr. modi. he thinks with this move the muslim votes will transfer to him from lalu.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 17:59

Pratyush wrote:The question again is what is Nitish's calculation. Why was he in such a hurry to end the relationship that had proved so beneficial to him.

Not so complex. New Pyari Babu aka Sankarshan Thakur (ex-tehelka), his advisor, have shown him the dream of PM. Since the time of Jayachanda cow-belt Pigmmies have given precedence to their personal interest over national interests.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 16 Jun 2013 18:08

Modi is no Lalu: Why Nitish will struggle post NDA split

Also, Modi is loved by the upper castes. And while Nitish might want to flaunt his special status demand as a marker for his development plans, Modi is the chief minister of a state that is hailed for its development. Like Nitish, Modi too is an OBC leader but the latter’s OBC credentials have so far not been used in vote-gathering. However, when Modi travels to Bihar in the coming days, his caste is bound to come up and blunt a bit of Nitish’s edge. BJP leader Sushil Kumar Modi has already starting making noises to the same effect. He has gone on record saying that it is high time the country elects its first OBC Prime Minister in Modi.

The BJP has started working to undo the damage done by Nitish. It could have an alliance, local level seat adjustment with an erstwhile JD(U) leader, Upendra Kushwaha, a Koeri leader with substantial following. The fact that the BJP will for the first time get to contest in 35-40 seats in Bihar if a deal with Kushwaha is made, has thrown up a bunch of enthusiastic aspirants within the party.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Jun 2013 18:55

if advani-ji is blaming now, then sounds like a nice finesse.
so that in future, a modi all-in should show nice cards for win.
however, there are other things that matters that politicans
should never forget. the basic principles for development.

that is the core for modi. if he gets it, and does not prove it
right from the start, then we can see a perpetual kangrez planet.

amitvora · Post by **amitvora** » 16 Jun 2013 19:14

I guess it is officially over, if you believe the TOI(let) paper below.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 617375.cms

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Jun 2013 19:24

the tieup with INC "all secular forces must come together" is already finalized.

does the INC have enough seats in bihar to extend outside support and keep his Govt intact?

how many independents can be roped in?

Lalu I guess would not be willing to support his usurper though stranger things have happened.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 16 Jun 2013 19:25

Muppalla wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Advani blames Modi’s hasty elevation for BJP-JD(U) rift

New Delhi: Veteran Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader LK Advani reportedly called party president Rajnath Singh on Sunday and blamed the decision of elevating Gujarat Chief Minister as the reason behind the split with JD(U).

Advani blamed the “hasty decision” of appointing Modi as the BJP poll panel chief, as per news reports.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ad ... 55399.html
Next step is hastily elevate Modi to PM candidacy.

Time to adopt pure BJP and Modi agenda. LK Advani has been failure to win for last 9 years by compromising on their agenda and to keep the flock. His mindset doesn't seem to yielding to bold steps and he wants to continue same agenda which didn't give any good results in 2009.

There are no obstacles now to make Modi official candidate to galvanize OBCs. Let Nikus, Lalloos and Mulyams scramble for their vote banks against Modis, Ramdevs, Uma and Kalyan Singhs.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 19:41

As per twitter B Raman is no more. May Ishwara keep his "Jivatma" evolving towards Ultimate Destination.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 16 Jun 2013 20:11

Alright , so here it starts:

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/24 ... on-june-23

Just a week from now NaMo will address his first rally as the campaign committee chairman. Prakash Singh Badal will also be there. Good place to start.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 20:25

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 20:33

मोदी की ताजपोशी से टूटा गठबंधनः आडवाणी

http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/advani-b ... 33622.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 20:36

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 16 Jun 2013 20:54

Sushupti wrote:As per twitter B Raman is no more. May Ishwara keep his "Jivatma" evolving towards Ultimate Destination.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/b-ram ... 130616.htm

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Jun 2013 20:57

Has sharad yadav dyed his hair and beard slightly orange brown in tune with asharafi fashion trends? He has lost a lot of hair since mid 90s but looked that way on tv.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Jun 2013 21:00

I think the best thing advani can do now is canvas for modi in his usual yatra manner. He is good at that.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jun 2013 21:02

He isn't giving up.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Jun 2013 21:05

there is nothing wrong in collective leadership. leadership is always by demonstration of leader-capabilities. all organizations and institutions are measured by collective leadership. there is no point having an excellent modi, and all under his commands are incapable people.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2013 21:11

...Modi too is an OBC leader....

Err, He is a leader who happens to be OBC.

Quite a bit of difference.

Looks like LKA nautanki is back in full form.

Collective leadership also requires collective responsibility. LKA mis-fortunately believes in gains from collective leadership only.
As for losses he wants to pin it on others.
This time he should be allowed to resign.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Jun 2013 21:35

Before Bihar was given to NiKu BJP was 70 and JDU was 30 and yet he was projected as CM candiaate. Now if NiKu goes his own way or joins with RJD or INC he would be finished .This gamble ha has taken to make it on his own. If he is not joining anyone of those RJD and INC ( Laloo is itching to sit in the lap of INC ) then he would suffer greatly in next election.
If he takes on independent and survives NCV on 19th his moral standpoint would be in question.

He cant have primeministerial aspirations after this so clearly it is for retaining Bihar and BJP is quite strong at grassroot level and people have still not forgotten RJD rule.

NiKu is exposing contradictions in sickular polity by his action.

btw NaMo has good impression in Bihar.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Jun 2013 21:37

Whoever was putting forth these stupid theories of Advani being an ally of Modi should be feeling the heat now. Nitish Kumar has dug his own grave.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Jun 2013 21:38

NiKu referred to Topi episode. \someone should ask him to ask his muslim supporters to sing Vande mataram on stage before asking someone to wear topi.

btw, Topi pehnane ka matlab bewakoof banana.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Jun 2013 21:51

RoyG wrote:Whoever was putting forth these stupid theories of Advani being an ally of Modi should be feeling the heat now. Nitish Kumar has dug his own grave.

I was telling for months that the nautanki in BJP is not media made or any Chanikyan stuff. Finally they decided to clean up the house. The day Modi got an uneasy truce with RSS, the clean up started. They really need to make the old man shut his mouth. Or take the full path and just declare Modi as PM and after that who wants to stay will stay and who don't want will just quit.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Jun 2013 21:57

Dump this Advani geezer. Hopefully BJP captures most of the JD(U) vote share. It seems like most of the gangrene in the party has been excised.