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Surya · Post by **Surya** » 17 Jun 2013 23:22

The Sauds could not care if the husseins are hung.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jun 2013 23:36

Surya wrote:The Sauds could not care if the husseins are hung.

Also wipes out a challenger to the "custody of the two mosques"!

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 17 Jun 2013 23:48

exactly

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Jun 2013 23:58

Oil Prices hit a 9 month high on fears of Syria crises may errupt into war.

US envoy to NATO says Syria no-fly zone not on alliance agenda

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jun 2013 01:13

its getting to the point where gog and magog will reveal themselves in riyadh and doha pretty soon...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2013 01:14

Please elaborate on the gog and magog in GCC countries.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 02:10

Saudi will surprise you all. Wait and see.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 18 Jun 2013 02:58

Gaming Another option: If rebels are beaten back in Syria, what kind of repercussions it will have for Jehadi elements, Sunni Population and ME politics.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Jun 2013 03:06

shyamd wrote:Saudi will surprise you all. Wait and see.

Yes we will wait for another year if we have to just like your other predictions.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Jun 2013 06:35

Syria's Collapse: And How Washington Can Stop It

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jun 2013 07:39

hinduism has equivalent of the gog and magog duo.
wiki:
According to the Kalki Purana, the twin brothers Koka and Vikoka serve as generals under the demon Kali, overlord of Kali Yuga. In their battle against Kalki, the 10th and final avatar of Lord Vishnu, the brothers display their mastery over the dark arts by raising themselves from the dead faster than Kalki can kill them.
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Lord Brahma eventually appears to Kalki during the battle and reveals to him that the twin devils had received from him a boon of "Immortality". No earthly or celestial weapon can kill them if they are allowed to hold onto one another. The only way for the dark duo to die is to separate and attack them both simultaneously. Sri Kalki then forces himself between the two and lands crushing blows to each demon’s temple at the same time. They both die, this time for ever.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 08:49

Putin Obama meeting disagreement on some issues but agree on Chemical Weapons and need to reduce violence.

Putin and Obama agree to push both sides in Syrian conflict to Geneva talks

“We have agreed to push the sides of the Syrian conflict to come to the negotiating table at the international Geneva conference,” Putin said.

“On some points, we still have a different stance, but we are united by an aspiration to prevent violence, to put an end to the growing number of victims, to solve the problem by peaceful means, including through negotiations at the international conference at Geneva,” the Russian President added.

President Obama conceded that he has a “different perspective” on Syria than his Russian counterpart, but confirmed that both countries have a shared interest in stopping the violence and “securing chemical weapons” in Syria.

“We do have differing perspectives on the problem but we share an interest in reducing the violence, securing chemical weapons and ensuring that they're neither used nor are they subject to proliferation,” Obama said. “We want to try to resolve the issue through political means if possible.”

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 09:00

UK's Cameron: Syria peace plan may be taken without Russia

If consensus couldn't be reached it was possible a final statement at the end of the two-day summit might be released without Russia’s input, in the name of the G7 rather than the G8, officials indicated.

Cameron hopes the statement will pave the way for a Syrian peace conference in Geneva that will agree the details of how a transition government can assume the powers of President Bashar al-Assad's administration.

Obama skeptical on major US military action in Syria

President Barack Obama expressed skepticism Monday that setting up a no-fly zone in Syria or other major US military action could save lives or tip the balance against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

Speaking to PBS television, Obama said critics urging major intervention failed to understand there was no "simple solution" and that "if you set up a no-fly zone, that you may not be actually solving the problem."

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 11:01

RoyG wrote: Yes we will wait for another year if we have to just like your other predictions.

Like?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 18 Jun 2013 11:19

Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas reveals that the Syrian war was planned, in the UK, about 2 years before the trouble actually started -

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 11:55

I posted this before on previous page , considering UK seems to be the most aggressive of the West in supporting the rebels , it lends credibility to what he says.

Israel too is not so neutral in this game as it is made out to be.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 12:48

I think there's always going to be someone who will say something like that. They accused France in libya of similar things, a German minister said the CIA was involved in 9/11. Who knows....

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Watched the Obama interview - it's clear to me the step up in posture is to get the Russians to force Asad onto the table. Make the atmosphere conducive for negotiations.

What went quite unnoticed in the ongoing exercise was the additional deployment AFTER the exercise started of the the 112th Ohio Air National Guard doubling the number.

Saudi's are going to do something soon.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 14:17

What exactly are you hinting at from Saudi , will it be something big ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Jun 2013 14:24

the suspense is killing, please do reveal wht the saud's have up their sleeves. Only they have the capability to plan, strategize & execute without even taking a tea-break in the whole of GCC.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 18 Jun 2013 14:38

Saudi, Qatari enforced NFZ?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 18 Jun 2013 14:50

^^ Yeah they should cakewalk a No Fly Zone, their pilots are barely able to fly as it is.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 14:55

Austin wrote:What exactly are you hinting at from Saudi , will it be something big ?

Something that will be surprising.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 15:01

Nothing suprises me these days so what exactly is in your mind can you list out the options that Saudi possess in military terms , also do you think it will be GCC lead one or just Saudi.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 15:08

Just Saudi -unilateral, I have seen no indication thus far to see the others getting too involved at all.
Certainly some diplomats are aware of whats going to happen.

Obviously like anything these decisions can change at any moment but the indications at the moment are that they are gonna do something that will surprise us all. Lets see what they come up with.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 18 Jun 2013 16:25

Interesting development. And the neighboring gulf country he is referring to is Qatar

http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists ... -1.1198481

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jun 2013 16:36

let me see... they will repeal their blasphemy laws?

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 18 Jun 2013 16:54

After the Iranian decision to send overt IRGC troops in Syria....KSA probably is going to act but considering the saudi military capability their options are not many...i think the response if at all will be more irregular or political like gcc unification but nway not sure about it

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jun 2013 16:56

they might ask the TSPA to send a few mufti brigades, operation gibralter style, or operation topoc style...

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 17:12

They already have special forces deployed. Their intel agents operate in the borders and have been the source of support, C4I gear is present, they have planned operations with the rebels. Lets face it rebels largely control North probably because of the gulf Turkish support.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 18 Jun 2013 17:43

Their intel agents operate in the borders and have been the source of support, C4I gear is present, they have planned operations with the rebels. Lets face it rebels largely control North probably because of the gulf Turkish support.

no way - this only happened because of the will of allah and the spirit of the resistance

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jun 2013 18:12

C4I gear is present - in shrink and bubble wrapped cartons inside containers
no one knows how to plug them in, or to what...

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 18:20

@Roshanakt: #Russian FM Sergey Lavrov: #Iran has confirmed prepared to halt 20% uranium enrichment http://t.co/IuEHrVzU3X via @xxnaazzxx

Big News - better get that PSA signed then
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Second thing is I had initially thought that they were going to impose a Defacto NFZ using western SAMs - I am told that is not the big move.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 18 Jun 2013 19:56

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 06197.html

Here you go Turki on Saudi aims

hold the puke

the superpower of the gulf

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 21:26

Its not surprising that Saudi is spearheading this or would like to and involve US too into this , Didn't the Foreign Minister once mentioned that arming Syrian Rebels was a wonderful idea.

Saudi is upset that US handed Iraq to Shia on a platter and would like US to do the same thing with Syria for them.

Strange he says Bahrain is a different situation as the majority is Shia population out there and it was crushed when GCC sent its troops.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 21:28

Here is the neutral Israel position finally the claws are out but its better to take a position then pretend to be neutral.

Peres supports US plan to arm Syria rebels

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2013 22:08

Austin wrote:Its not surprising that Saudi is spearheading this or would like to and involve US too into this , Didn't the Foreign Minister once mentioned that arming Syrian Rebels was a wonderful idea.

Saudi is upset that US handed Iraq to Shia on a platter and would like US to do the same thing with Syria for them.

Strange he says Bahrain is a different situation as the majority is Shia population out there and it was crushed when GCC sent its troops.

Exactly. Fundamentally its about the GCC security and Iran is making inroads and surrounding them strategically. So they are breaking the "shia crescent". But it doesn't mean that GCC instigated whats going on in Syria. Its a genuine revolution.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 18 Jun 2013 22:10

hmm... a "genuine" revolution? which are the false ones? Who certifies about genuineness nowadays about "revolutions"?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 18 Jun 2013 22:16

it used to be tri-party thing in every outrage/revolution/peaceful goings on in the ME. Once it was Turkey-Islamism, non-Turkey Islamism, Anglo-Saxon. Now it is Anglo-Saxon, Saudi, Iran. There is nothing called a "genuine" revolution. If what happened before were false ones - this too is a false one. The core peninsular Islamics are essentially shrewd cowards, and they have never moved beyond their reach unless bolstered up by outsiders. Anything spectacular and looking spontaneous there - has careful planning and instigation, with the primary motivation being gain of territory, erasure of non-Islamic existing or potential power bases, and monetary profit from war and conflict.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2013 22:33

shyamd wrote:Exactly. Fundamentally its about the GCC security and Iran is making inroads and surrounding them strategically. So they are breaking the "shia crescent". But it doesn't mean that GCC instigated whats going on in Syria. Its a genuine revolution.

Its true that Assad might have screwed up initially but the opportunity was fully exploited by GCC and West , Something they did not do with Bahrain , If Syria revolution was genuine then so was Bahrain......the media did not highlight it as much as they did with Syria and GCC send its troop to crush it down.

From Saudi pov if they really want to topple Assad then they need to put boots on ground , there is a limit to what insurgent can do and Airpower will have little to no effort ...... effort to rope in west to do the job has not yealded much result so now it is a question of Walking the Talk for Saudi if they want Asaad to go as Prince Turki says they would then they need to put boots on ground with adequate support fire power ...Saudi most certainly has powerful military capability in the region but can they actually do it is something we will see in days ahead.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 18 Jun 2013 22:59

So they are breaking the "shia crescent".

gee sounds like neo con think tank

shias can claim to be the one oppressed down the ages

who is the oppressor ?

or whose revolution is true or justified