Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

niran · Post by **niran** » 21 Jun 2013 09:21

muraliravi wrote: Can anyone shed some light on where this is coming from? Is there any caste group in bihar that votes that consistently for congress. Will this group desert congress if they ally with lalu? Is that the reason why they are being ambivalent between lalu and nitish and taking their time to finalize a partner?

- Central Govt. servicemen and their families
- sons and daughters of freedom fighters particularly the so called upper caste(dunno why but that the reality)
-almost all Brahmins in the bihar govt. service and their families.
-Congi neta goons yes, these people can and do force whole village populations to vote for their candidates.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jun 2013 09:27

^^ Source?

niran · Post by **niran** » 21 Jun 2013 09:46

^^^ the source is desi ishtyle data dissemination collection etc. no source worce as in anglaise speak, saar

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jun 2013 09:53

I asked because it is easy to find articles which suggest exactly the opposite. For example, see here

On Wednesday, the BJP started laying the groundwork for its election campaign. The party typically wins upper caste votes in Bihar.

Of course, you might find articles which agree with your assessment. Hence, it is difficult to know the real story.

niran · Post by **niran** » 21 Jun 2013 10:15

the reality is this Saar,(no article is published) before NaMo era the bizniss class(omit bizniss houses) regardless of their surnames voted BJP, Thakurs of eastern UP and Bihar bordering UP followed one or two icons, e.g. Amar Singh former mallu yadav right hand man lead them, Brahimns in their snobish way could not do what these low caste do so they voted Congress
now we have a new era i will name it NaMo era, here almost all youth regardless of class caste and of course
biznis class see NaMo as their liberator as in Lord Krishna the liberator(yeah!yeah! Naarthies too are capable of Hero worshiping)
The Thakurs would have gone to Makhi Yadav under Raja Bhayia' ledership, but the way the triple murder was handled and Raja Bhayia shabby treatment have forced Thakurs hand to either vote BJP or Congi according to their own calculations but no SP/JDU/RJD/BSP

the Brahmins for the first time are worshiping a low caste icon, hence this time around in eastern UP and UP bordering Bihar it will be BJP all the way.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 21 Jun 2013 10:36

INC used to be a natural ruling party in Bihar for a long time. They do have a base vote and organisation at every place in the nation and normally they do get this votes. It may not transfrom intoseats like in Bihar but the votes are there. One thing to note it - Can INC transfer its votes to JDU of LJD now??? If yes they JDU/LJD will be benifited or not they are in gutter if they do not. Transferability is possible to the parties like BSP, SP and BJP in some places wherein they have a strong base - May be Bihar. BJP has to reallytry their level best.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 21 Jun 2013 11:25

Modi offers a new Camelot

Good article... Goes to show that liberal Christians like Pritish Nandy do exist, willing to swim against the tide of the more illiberal and anti-assimilative elements within the community.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 21 Jun 2013 11:48

All socialist Hindutva jokers seem to have found a common cause to inspire them: 'Collective spirit' and not PM candidates is what the BJP needs, counsels Govindacharya

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 21 Jun 2013 12:53

13:10 Congresss two conditions for supporting Kanimozhi for RS: An interesting to and fro is happening between the Congress and the DMK, former allies in the UPA government.

The Congress would like the DMK to support it in the Lok Sabha while the DMK would like the Congress to transfer its five votes in the Tamil Nadu assembly to it in next week's Rajya Sabha elections.

Right now, it seems, the DMK's need is greater as the parliamentary fate of no less than Kanimozhi, party supremo M Karunanidhi's daughter, hangs in the balance over the election to the Rajya Sabha. Given the DMK's low numbers, the Congress's votes are crucial for her election.

The AICC is willing to play ball, but has two conditions for the DMK, say insiders. One, the DMK should not insist on the prime minister and finance minister being summoned to the JPC on 2G spectrum scam; and, the DMK should not comment on developments in Sri Lanka.

The Congress is also keen that the DMK issue a statement criticising the BJP's hype over Narendra Modi so that the AIADMK is nuetralised in Tamil Nadu. The Congress wants the DMK to go openly against Modi, since arch-rival Jayalalitha is clearly associating herself with him.

Through all this comes the speculation in Delhi is that three Congress MLAs in Tamil Nadu have been won over by the AIADMK, and that they will vote against Kanimozhi.

As they say, anything is possible in Tamil Nadu politics!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 21 Jun 2013 13:04

after 1 rupee idli and low priced food stalls, amma has introduced low priced vegetables vendoring. she is definitely aiming for a clean sweep at the polls.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/che ... 834650.ece

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 21 Jun 2013 13:57

SaiK wrote:what does officially endorse mean?

Officially endorse means that, if God forbid, Namo does not make it you give consent to the CBI to start making inquiries!

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 21 Jun 2013 14:44

SwamyG wrote: I saw that news item this morning. What is profound is not Iyer talking about it, but a tamil magazine carrying a picture of Modi, talking about youth, role ityadi. It brings Modi that much closer to the readers and possibly the TN people in terms of his accomplishments and qualities. This one article/interview is not going to reshape anything, but it is one dosage of medicine. Need a few more.

JJ is making sympathetic gestures towards CPI. She wants to keep her options open. There was no need for her to withdraw an AIADMK candidate and give it to D.Raja of CPI. But she did exactly that. She will never change....the ever unpredictable and eccentric opportunistic politician. Hopefully at the end she supports Modi. I would not hold my breath though.

SwamyG,
Can JJ's action be seen as a method to isolate and keep TN voters to parties local to TN? What if the BJP decides to field candidates and Modi canvasses in TN? Will a possible Hindu+middle class vote migration to BJP/Modi in the future affect her chances?
Just thinking out loud.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Jun 2013 14:59

TN can come later. Why not try that approach in AP first, eh? If AP and MH can be freed from Cong clutches, UPA-x chances nosedive bigtime only.

BTW, NM is leaving for UKD with tons of relief material. He'll be doing actual relief work on the ground rather than do hawa-hawai tours in the air like the UPA dinosaurs have merrily done. His very presence will lend energy, funds, attention and organization to the relief efforts or so I hope.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 21 Jun 2013 16:29

So today its Yashwant Sinha's turn to be called names is it? Apart from regular scheduled programing of Brahmin bashing which happens every once in a while.

There is no Narendra Modi (which means BJP) vs Dynasty discussion here.

This is more like, bash BJP while pretending to support Modi thread.

Why not officially rename it? Narendra Modi and BJP: Implacable enemies, after all it is BJP workers at different levels which are the real problem with Modi not being the supreme lord.

Barring the few corrupt BJP folks who left BJP because they did not get a free hand to loot, those of course are the real dependable al-lies.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 21 Jun 2013 16:45

Sanku wrote:So today its Yashwant Sinha's turn to be called names is it?

Where ? Are you seeing posts the rest of us are not ?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Jun 2013 17:45

Niku's CNN-IBN interview (promo tour on TV channels)

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/postin ... =24&t=6489

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Jun 2013 17:57

Narendra Modi will turn down US visa once he becomes PM: KJ Alphons

A question regarding US’s refusal of visa to CM Narendra Modi came up when Alphons was talking to participants from California Institute of Tech were present.

“I was in the US to have breakfast with the president and a dozen senators too were there. I told them, ‘You think your visa is a very big thing? A lot of Indians get that.’ But I said ‘if you wouldn’t grant him (Modi) visa now, he will decline your request (if you make one) when he will become the prime minister, which I think he is certainly going to be’.”

He went on to say: “He is a man with lot of dignity and that (refusal of visa) is bad for India and US because we are the largest democracy in the world.”

http://www.dnaindia.com/ahmedabad/18510 ... kj-alphons

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 21 Jun 2013 18:14

Sanku wrote:So today its Yashwant Sinha's turn to be called names is it? Apart from regular scheduled programing of Brahmin bashing which happens every once in a while.

There is no Narendra Modi (which means BJP) vs Dynasty discussion here.

This is more like, bash BJP while pretending to support Modi thread.

Why not officially rename it? Narendra Modi and BJP: Implacable enemies, after all it is BJP workers at different levels which are the real problem with Modi not being the supreme lord.

Barring the few corrupt BJP folks who left BJP because they did not get a free hand to loot, those of course are the real dependable al-lies.

Sanku, if you have something to say about the subject, please do. If not move on. This holier than thou attitude is disruptive. Leave it to the admins to decide if the discussions are on topic or not. Thanks.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 21 Jun 2013 18:41

Singha wrote:Yes unless we fly the black flags of khurasan here , we shall not be declared secular.

and we are all singing paeans to the guy who contributed to the above.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Jun 2013 18:52

ashashi wrote:Sanku, if you have something to say about the subject, please do. If not move on. This holier than thou attitude is disruptive. Leave it to the admins to decide if the discussions are on topic or not. Thanks.

+1. Drama has stretched on too far. Time to yawn and move on. Only.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 21 Jun 2013 19:37

Taking AP and MH from INC is a must. They are the main power with seats and money for INC. I do not see NaMo doing much - he may have some plan - I hope.

James B · Post by **James B** » 21 Jun 2013 19:47

ConMedia is twisting words of Parikkar on Godhra Riots. Parikkar has openly suggested Modi for PM but then Paid Media ignores it.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 21 Jun 2013 19:48

Narayana Rao wrote:Taking AP and MH from INC is a must. They are the main power with seats and money for INC. I do not see NaMo doing much - he may have some plan - I hope.

AP, NaMo cant do anything. The only hope is that Cong has self destructed itself there and that overall congress tally in india will be low enuf for jagan not to tie with cong after election.

Maharashtra, NaMo can hit congress real hard. Just BJP-SS-RPI will do enuf damage (surveys predict easily 29-30 for this combo and MNS 2-3, so UPA will be down to 16 in Maha). But The chaiwala news is that SS is open to tie up with MNS, they dont say that openly and they want BJP to give more seats to MNS for contest and a little less from their kitty. Something will be worked out. Once that is done, I expect NCP to get 3 and congress 3 in Maha. rest all will be NDA.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 21 Jun 2013 19:49

^Game's (almost) over in Maharashtra if Raj T. doesn't come aboard. At this time there're no signs of unification of the "communal" forces, while the "secular" forces are united like vultures in tearing apart the corpse.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 21 Jun 2013 20:02

Ashok Sarraff wrote:^Game's (almost) over in Maharashtra if Raj T. doesn't come aboard. At this time there're no signs of unification of the "communal" forces, while the "secular" forces are united like vultures in tearing apart the corpse.

What do u mean by game is over. All the surveys have been done with the assumption that RT fights alone. Still NDA is getting 30, he is getting 2 and UPA 16 onlee.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Jun 2013 20:11

Modi factor won't play any role in Lok Sabha polls: SP

Must be true, SP's saying it after all...

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 21 Jun 2013 20:58

muraliravi wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Taking AP and MH from INC is a must. They are the main power with seats and money for INC. I do not see NaMo doing much - he may have some plan - I hope.
AP, NaMo cant do anything. The only hope is that Cong has self destructed itself there and that overall congress tally in india will be low enuf for jagan not to tie with cong after election.

Maharashtra, NaMo can hit congress real hard. Just BJP-SS-RPI will do enuf damage (surveys predict easily 29-30 for this combo and MNS 2-3, so UPA will be down to 16 in Maha). But The chaiwala news is that SS is open to tie up with MNS, they dont say that openly and they want BJP to give more seats to MNS for contest and a little less from their kitty. Something will be worked out. Once that is done, I expect NCP to get 3 and congress 3 in Maha. rest all will be NDA.

With the vote splitting between Congress, TDP, YSR Congress and TRS in Telangana, BJP will be in play. If they have an alliance with TRS, they could win quite a few seats.

In 2009 Lok Sabha elections, out of the 17 seats, BJP won 0 and TRS won 2.
If you add the TRS and BJP votes, the combination would have won 5 additional seats (Karimnagar, Nagarkurnool, Nizamabad, Zahirabad, and Peddepalle). Ofcourse, that is a simple math. TRS votes included TDP votes too. But then Congress votes included YSR Congress votes also, assuming they will fight separately this time.

Point is, BJP cannot rule out Telangana this time around.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 21 Jun 2013 21:17

Ghost at Modi's Banquet

Congress hopes the 2004 Ishrat Jahan encounter will become a stumbling block in Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra ModiÂfs march to 7 Race Course Road. Speculation on this deepened recently after CBI allowed bail to four Gujarat Police officers allegedly involved in the encounter, including Gujarat IPS officer G.L. Singhal with a view to turn him into an approver. It also called Intelligence Bureau (IB) official Rajendra Kumar for questioning. Kumar had given the tipoff to the Gujarat Police that Ishrat and three others, including two Pakistanis, were on their way to Gujarat to allegedly assassinate Modi, L.K. Advani and VHP leader Pravin Togadia.

More than a year ago, Renuka Chowdary claimed that Congress has some tricks up its sleeve to silence Modi on Arnab Goswami show. I guess this is what she was referring.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 21 Jun 2013 21:20

Hari Seldon wrote:Modi factor won't play any role in Lok Sabha polls: SP

Must be true, SP's saying it after all...

This is even better.
BJP has dug its grave: Vastanvi on Modi's elevation

MEERUT, UP: Having courted controversy earlier for praising Narendra Modi, Ghulam Mohammed Vastanvi, the ex-Vice Chancellor of Darul Uloom Deoband, has said that making the Gujarat chief minister the election campaign committee head of BJP will prove detrimental to the party.

"Bringing Modi forward will mean a loss of the Muslim vote bank for BJP. And by making Modi the election campaign committee head, the party itself has dug his own grave," Vastanvi told reporters here.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 21 Jun 2013 21:25

Sushupti wrote:This prudent Indian guy has history of being 100% correct.

Sushupti wrote:

As predicted above something is expected by Friday.

Any updates on the above, sir?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 21 Jun 2013 22:32

ashashi wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Modi factor won't play any role in Lok Sabha polls: SP

Must be true, SP's saying it after all...
This is even better.
BJP has dug its grave: Vastanvi on Modi's elevation

MEERUT, UP: Having courted controversy earlier for praising Narendra Modi, Ghulam Mohammed Vastanvi, the ex-Vice Chancellor of Darul Uloom Deoband, has said that making the Gujarat chief minister the election campaign committee head of BJP will prove detrimental to the party.

"Bringing Modi forward will mean a loss of the Muslim vote bank for BJP. And by making Modi the election campaign committee head, the party itself has dug his own grave," Vastanvi told reporters here.

There goes secularism out of the window and votebank politics of religious blocks out in open.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 21 Jun 2013 22:36

Sorry if already posted:

Shot in the arm for Modi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar says unwise to hold on to 2002 riots

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 21 Jun 2013 23:26

Don't you mean "major blow to Modi?"

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 22 Jun 2013 03:37

Neela wrote:SwamyG,
Can JJ's action be seen as a method to isolate and keep TN voters to parties local to TN? What if the BJP decides to field candidates and Modi canvasses in TN? Will a possible Hindu+middle class vote migration to BJP/Modi in the future affect her chances?
Just thinking out loud.

JJ, in my opinion, is focused on check-mating the regional parties - DMK, PMK and other *DK types. Is she thinking long term ( + 5 years)? I do not know and would not hazard a guess. For now, it is 2014 and her next elections.

Gus wrote:after 1 rupee idli and low priced food stalls, amma has introduced low priced vegetables vendoring. she is definitely aiming for a clean sweep at the polls.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/che ... 834650.ece

Looking at the picture of her in all these boards reminds me of P.B.Shelley's poem:

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".

sudarshan wrote:Any updates on the above, sir?

Did you not read about RSS chief asking Advani to take a hike?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Jun 2013 06:17

Tell me I'm mad (Fin Express)

Surjit Bhalla lets loose on the NiKularists, err, Sekularists. Satire-ish piece. Fun read.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 22 Jun 2013 06:18

SwamyG wrote:
sudarshan wrote:Any updates on the above, sir?
Did you not read about RSS chief asking Advani to take a hike?

Guess I missed it, and was also expecting something a little more dramatic. Never mind.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 22 Jun 2013 06:51

BTW. Modi in Uttarakhand is political gimmick. It is not his state, he should just stay away; and not utilize this opportunity to advance his political aspirations. INC gives plenty of other opportunities. The visit leaves a bad taste in mouth. He has come down a notch in my mind.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Jun 2013 07:01

Well not really. The victims are Hindus on pilgrimage to holy sites in Rudraparyag district and from many states in India.

By being in the ground he shows his care.

He is not taking an aerial view without getting dirty.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Jun 2013 07:07

You would not say that if a candidate in US visits a disaster hit area in another state, would you?

As a PM aspirant - he has both rights and responsibility to visit. This is called politics and this is what politicians do.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 22 Jun 2013 07:08

SwamyG wrote:BTW. Modi in Uttarakhand is political gimmick. It is not his state, he should just stay away; and not utilize this opportunity to advance his political aspirations. INC gives plenty of other opportunities. The visit leaves a bad taste in mouth. He has come down a notch in my mind.

Sometimes in all this madness I think we forget he is a politician and has to do things like this as part of his job. Besides what is wrong with it? He is helping people at the end of the day. Think from the point of view of a flood victim, he sees someone caring enough to visit him and bring him relief. Do u think he will be having a bad taste in the mouth?