Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 22 Jun 2013 23:17

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1851622/r ... -his-robin

I am not sure who in DN&A wrote that, but they are stirring up Parrikar now. They tried Nitish as an alternative. They failed. They tried Advani, they failed. They tried Chauhan, it was non-starter. Now they are trying Parrikar. Unless, one is a devotee/follower of one individual/guru, people usually do not like comparisons - especially those ones that make them play the second fiddle - here as Robin to Batman.

Once upon a time, I thought DN&A was a good reading place....now it has joined the MSM.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ne ... 56887.html

The pressure is on Parrikar now....from INC and MSM.

100 years from now, if one were to narrate the systematic attacks on Modi - nobody will comprehend it much. Phenomenal effort by INC, if only they had devoted this much attention and energy in running the country properly.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 23 Jun 2013 00:00

IMHO, this is how the 'relief and rehabilitation' scenario will play out, over time:

Phase 1: The immediate task is to get the stranded people out of the flooded and cut-off areas. This task will be done by the Army, Air Force, IBTP, and BRO. They will be rewarded by cutting their budgets, and delaying procurement of their equipment further, citing ‘new budgetary pressure due to Uttarakhand disaster’.

Next will be the grim task of cleaning up the mud, recovering the bodies, and cremating them. This will mostly be done by volunteers from RSS and affiliated organizations such as SEWA. This work will not be reported in the mainstream media.

Phase 2: After the surviving pilgrims and tourists are sent home, the homeless local people will have to be sheltered, medically treated, and fed for a few months. The Govt. will set up the relief camps, and a flood of ministers from the center and states will visit for initial photo ops and present big checks. Once they leave, huge amounts of money allocated by the Govt for providing ‘relief’ in these camps will be siphoned off to Dehradun, Delhi, and Switzerland. The real relief in the camps in the form of food, medicines, clothing etc. will be provided by, once again, the RSS and its affiliated organizations using private donations.

The rebuilding of infrastructure in the affected areas will have to be funded by the GOI. If this was Gujarat under Modi, there will be less than 10% leakage of these funds and the infrastructure will get rebuilt in 2 years. But, given that there is a Congress Govt both in the Center and the state, the funds leakage will likely be over 50%, and the infrastructure rebuilding will take 10 years or more.

The rebuilding of homes and livelihood of poor villagers whose villages were washed away will likely be done by, you guessed it again, the RSS and its affiliated organizations using private donations.

The rebuilding of temples, dharamshalas, and other pilgrim infrastructure should be taken up by the VHP (Togadia and his folks need to something constructive here for the Hindus), and should be funded by private donations.

The rebuilding of commercial property (hotels etc.) and residences of the rich will likely be funded by insurance or from private funds from the owners themselves.

Now, in rebuilding the affected areas and the pilgrim and tourist economy of Uttarakhand, will the environmental and ecological concerns be addressed? I am not very hopeful. Had it been Gujarat under Modi, he would have taken this opportunity to ensure that mistakes of the past are not repeated, and that the new Uttarakhand is built better to avoid such natural disasters in future or survive them better if they do occur. This is what they did after the earthquake in Kutchh.

However, such ‘smart rebuilding’ is not what Congress does. Their approach will be either (1) to apply the rules so strictly that nothing gets built and the tourism in Uttarakhand dies off ”Na rahega baans, na bajegi baansuri” or (2) to play fast and loose with the rules for bribes and let people build whatever, however, and wherever they want, so that it will all be washed out again in the next flood within 10 years.

Just a long ramble from the cynic in me. No proof or surveys can be provided for whatever I say.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 23 Jun 2013 00:17

Going a bit OT here....

http://www.kamakoti.org/kamakoti/news/2 ... ppeal.html
Kanchi Sankara Mutt is sendings Rs20 lakh to PM Relief Fund, and sending relief materials to Uttarakhand.

http://www.rss.org/Encyc/2013/6/19/Utta ... tions.aspx
RSS sevaks efforts....

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ttarakhand { a case where MSM did report}
VHP volunteers rush

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 23 Jun 2013 01:10

NDA will provide 100 million new jobs: Narendra Modi

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/nda ... endra-modi

Narendra Modi, BJP's campaign committee chairperson and front-runner for the Prime Minister's post should the NDA win the 2014 general elections, told The Sunday Guardian that the National Democratic Alliance would generate a 100 million extra jobs in five years compared to the 3 million extra jobs created by the UPA in its first six years in power. He pointed out that the NDA had created 60 million jobs during 1998-2004.

The Gujarat Chief Minister said that the "people of India have the drive and ability needed to make our country prosperous, if only they had a government which encouraged them rather than held them back, a government that trusted them rather than subjecting them to restrictions and persecution". He smiled away any discussion about his own prospects for leading such a government, merely saying that "such matters will get decided at the appropriate time, and the decision will be what is best for the alliance and the nation".

Speaking informally to this correspondent on 19 June at his office in the state capital, Modi appeared relaxed and confident. Previous to this discussion, a Muslim family had called on him and spent 30 minutes speaking with the CM. Those close to the CM challenged critics to point out whether there has been any discrimination against officials belonging to the minority community in the state. A key aide said that "by now, it is becoming clear that such charges are intended to create a mood of fear designed to stampede the minorities into voting for those who have let them down for decades". He said that there was no question of Chief Minister Modi adopting a "sectarian" agenda during the ensuing campaign, adding that "we regard and treat people of all faiths as the same and do not discriminate among them the way others do", and that such a policy was needed in order to prevent communal passions from boiling over.

When the discussion continued on the lifestyles of political leaders and their families, Narendra Modi pointed out that his brothers "owned only bicycles rather than SUVs" and said that he was "proud and happy" that they had cheerfully accepted that he as CM could not help them the way some other Central and state leaders had helped their own families in India and abroad. He did not know why the media in India ignored the lifestyles of the close relatives of the powerful. "Let it be said that freedom of speech is important," Modi told this correspondent, adding that he had never tried to clamp down on the numerous hate messages about him on Internet, print and television. "India should lead the world in freedom of speech rather than be having some of the most restrictive information technology laws in the world," he added.

When it was pointed out to him that Bihar BJP leader Sushil Kumar Modi had referred to the Gujarat CM's caste background, Narendra Modi said that to him, "caste was never a factor". However, he had "no hesitation — and indeed some pride — in revealing that (he) came from the most backward of backward castes", adding that "caste, region and religion should not matter in issues of who is to lead government".

He refused to get drawn into a discussion on the criticism made against him by BJP parliamentary party chairperson L.K. Advani. An aide said that he wished that L.K. Advani had mentioned his objections to the CM first before going public, "but Mr Modi himself spoke in words of regard" for the MP from Gandhinagar.

Although his words were not intended for the record as the meeting was informal, Chief Minister Modi was clear that he would campaign "not on issues of identity but of governance". He saw the last decade as a "wasted" one and said that it was "the duty of all those concerned about the future of the country to work unitedly to ensure that the UPA not return to office a third time". The people "will not forgive those who by their words and deeds help the UPA during the coming elections by dividing opposition votes," he ended.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 23 Jun 2013 01:34

This captures the essence of Indian politics of not just today, but thousands of years ago too: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-t ... 90259.html

Indian politics, says Pratap Bhanu Mehta, is not plagued by too much confrontation, but a covert consensus. He also surmises that the real political and economic consensus on most issues makes it important for there to be a confrontational attitude to individuals. Our politics is thus about confrontational personalities, not opposing ideologies or policies.

Here is the article by Pratap Bhanu that Jaggi cites: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-gre ... t/1131212/

Mehta does a big BJP ======== INC in the article. MUST READ.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Jun 2013 05:25

SwamyG, especially for thine glazed eyes onlee...

Narendra Modi lands in Uttarakhand, flies out with 15,000 Gujaratis

DEHRADUN: In the two days that Narendra Modi has been in Uttarakhand, he has managed to completely rile not just the Congress government of Vijay Bahuguna but also the administrative staff involved in rescue operations at Kedarnath, Badrinath and Uttarkashi. But above all, he has also managed to bring home some 15,000 stranded Gujarati pilgrims.

The Gujarat CM, who flew in on Friday evening, held a meeting till 1am with his crack rescue team of five IAS, one IPS, one IFS and two GAS (Gujarat Administrative Service) officers. Two DSPs and five police inspectors were also part of his delegation. They sat again with the nitty-gritty of evacuation in a huddle that a senior BJP leader said lasted till 1am on Sunday.

Around 80 Toyota Innovas have been requisitioned to ferry Gujaratis to safer places in Dehradun as have four Boeings. On Saturday, 25 luxury buses transported a bunch of grateful people to Delhi. The efforts are being coordinated by two of the senior-most IAS officers of Gujarat, one currently stationed in Delhi and another in Uttarakhand.

As if that was not enough to thumb his nose at a government accused of large-scale mismanagement in handling the crisis, Modi later in the day even offered to "completely rebuild" the temple at Kedarnath using "the latest technology available" in such a way that no natural calamity would ever shake it again. The Uttarakhand CM is believed to have dismissed the statement.{Of course he'll dismiss it. How can any Cong CM worth his salt miss out on contract kickbacks from the rebuilding gravy train, eh?}

What cannot be dismissed, though, is Modi's now trademark style of micro-management, something his supporters say is the need of the hour for India. "It's amazing what he has done here," said Anil Baluni, a BJP leader. "If someone doesn't like it, what can we do?'

Modi's men have not only para-dropped a complete medical team in Hardwar, they have also set up camps across th flood-hit regions. Prominent BJP workers in villages across the state are dealing directly with members of the rescue committee, telling them where food is to be sent, people given shelter and medicines administered. That seems to have helped. When a car owned by a Gujarati was stuck in a road-block by angry residents demanding aid in Badkot, Uttarkashi, an urgent message was immediately sent out by an IAS officer and the vehicle taken to safety.

Asked about the "new model" of rescue and relief operation by Modi that has helped 15,000 Gujaratis get out of Uttarakhand, an angry Congress legislator said, "See, that's what we mean. His model works only for Gujaratis."{Which is why when he expands his constituency to all of India tomorrow, tumhari phategi big time beta...}

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Jun 2013 05:42

SwamyG wrote:BTW. Modi in Uttarakhand is political gimmick. It is not his state, he should just stay away; and not utilize this opportunity to advance his political aspirations. INC gives plenty of other opportunities. The visit leaves a bad taste in mouth. He has come down a notch in my mind.

Few facts from my side- can be corrected if I am wrong-
congis and sickularists-
1) termite queen has no business to be in Uttarkhand. she is just an MP. But she got huge airwaves for doing nothing. she is also going to send relief materials.
It should be done by GOI head officially.--- termite queen is getting good name but bad name if anything happens goes to state Govt and MMS govt. Notice the diffrence.

2) pappu is nowhere to be seen. Once the news flashed that UK was in floods, he went to London. pappu was partying during 26/11 Mumbai blasts, enclosed in his hole at 10 janpath during Delhi rape crisis etc. never brought a bill or made a good speech at parliament. He is the worst of all MPs wrt attendance and contributions.
3) congis and sickularist media already have tomtomed and ridiculed 2 crores aid given by NaMo compared to many crores given by cong govts etc.
4) it is very clear the state govt and CM Bahuguna has blundered on this relief efforts.
5) Bahuguna has not cancelled his trip to eurpoe despite the huge catastrophe in UK. he still has plans to go. Nowhere we have top leadership including termite queen admonishing him.
6) state govt is planning a ahavan for all the dead-- Imagine if this was done by kommunal govt--
7) entire media is keeping quiet on the huge bunglings in the relief efforts. save for army and rss and some dedicated ngos.

NaMo

1) NaMo intially did not give any soundbytes etc. after a few days mentioned his plans to go when the there was news of winding the intense search and rescue operations in 48 hrs.
2) gave only 2 crores in cash which congis and sickularists made fun off-- but made up more than by materials -- sent over 400 specialist including doctors and enviromental engineers or whetevr the names are-- along with relief materials.
3) He also had chartered planes 2 ferrying pilgrims to Gujarat and back to Uttarkhand.
4) he aslo sent letters immediaetely(within a couple of days) to central minsters regarding relif supplies, railways trains concessions to be given etc.
5) He has been measured in his response devoting only to relief of belaugured people no political sound bytes. has not uttered a single word or bad mouthed state govt or central govt on this issue.
6) he has helped 1000s of pilgrims by his efforts much higher than crores of money given by other congis.

A true leader inspires confidence.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Jun 2013 05:46

muraliravi wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXahv3tjoXE

Hilarious

freakin' awesome. Bowled over onlee... Lol!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Jun 2013 07:22

survivors on TV were loudly lamenting yday how the state govt had melted away and the local cops quite unhelpful.
bahuganaji hasnt exactly covered himself with any glory in this episode. he looked shaken and in the press conf I felt shinde ji had given him a private blast to pull his socks up and work hard rather than ineffectually moving around relief camps.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Jun 2013 07:49

^^^^
out of 16 civilian helis used, 11 were used by congi ministers and only 5 used only for civilian rescue efforts.

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In another news, NaMo personally handled a few phone calls and made sure some help reached them.
one of them thru twitter mentioned it.

One may say propaganda like swamyG etc and his ilk but the message is very powerful that when the top works hard, cracks the whip- other officlas work equally hard.

the same could have been done by congis salvaging their pride.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 23 Jun 2013 07:51

Hari garu, I have still reservations....nenu diniki minchi chepannu

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 23 Jun 2013 08:11

Perhaps this might put things in better light swamy garu timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-lands-in-Uttarakhand-flies-out-with-15000-Gujaratis/articleshow/20721118.cms

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Jun 2013 08:16

Article on the politics being played at Uttarakhad, by Congress: Dear netas, don’t play politics with Uttarakhand tragedy

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 23 Jun 2013 08:21

Hari Seldon wrote:
Asked about the "new model" of rescue and relief operation by Modi that has helped 15,000 Gujaratis get out of Uttarakhand, an angry Congress legislator said, "See, that's what we mean. His model works only for Gujaratis."{Which is why when he expands his constituency to all of India tomorrow, tumhari phategi big time beta...}

[/quote]

I wonder how he transported 15000 Gujjus with only a few Innovas?

I am as big a supporter of Modi as they come....but this figure has me going back to class 12th.

10 people per innova.....15000 people....1500 trips one way to Delhi.....
etc.etc.etc.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 23 Jun 2013 08:34

Boeings carry a few more than Toyotas one would think

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 23 Jun 2013 08:39

krisna wrote:^^^^
out of 16 civilian helis used, 11 were used by congi ministers and only 5 used only for civilian rescue efforts.

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In another news, NaMo personally handled a few phone calls and made sure some help reached them.
one of them thru twitter mentioned it.

One may say propaganda like swamyG etc and his ilk but the message is very powerful that when the top works hard, cracks the whip- other officlas work equally hard.

the same could have been done by congis salvaging their pride.

I question that tweets authenticity. Too many chars.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 23 Jun 2013 08:43

mahadevbhu wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:
Asked about the "new model" of rescue and relief operation by Modi that has helped 15,000 Gujaratis get out of Uttarakhand, an angry Congress legislator said, "See, that's what we mean. His model works only for Gujaratis."{Which is why when he expands his constituency to all of India tomorrow, tumhari phategi big time beta...}

I wonder how he transported 15000 Gujjus with only a few Innovas?

I am as big a supporter of Modi as they come....but this figure has me going back to class 12th.

10 people per innova.....15000 people....1500 trips one way to Delhi.....
etc.etc.etc.[/quote]

Right. Just yesterday there was a news article that Uttarakhand govt. rescued 10,000.

munna · Post by **munna** » 23 Jun 2013 08:49

ashashi wrote: 10 people per innova.....15000 people....1500 trips one way to Delhi.....
etc.etc.etc.

Right. Just yesterday there was a news article that Uttarakhand govt. rescued 10,000.

Please add 25 buses too. Further add the the train traffic. He will release the figures/operational details later and it will come back to bite the local and national administration very hard.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 Jun 2013 09:04

10 people is normal for innova , you can add 2-3 more per car in emergencies , also it could have been altered by removing the seats which gives 15-20 per car

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jun 2013 09:05

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 23 Jun 2013 09:44

mahadevbhu wrote: I wonder how he transported 15000 Gujjus with only a few Innovas?

I am as big a supporter of Modi as they come....but this figure has me going back to class 12th.

10 people per innova.....15000 people....1500 trips one way to Delhi.....
etc.etc.etc.

Hari Seldon wrote:SwamyG, especially for thine glazed eyes onlee...

Narendra Modi lands in Uttarakhand, flies out with 15,000 Gujaratis

DEHRADUN: In the two days that Narendra Modi has been in Uttarakhand, he has managed to completely rile not just the Congress government of Vijay Bahuguna but also the administrative staff involved in rescue operations at Kedarnath, Badrinath and Uttarkashi. But above all, he has also managed to bring home some 15,000 stranded Gujarati pilgrims.

The Gujarat CM, who flew in on Friday evening, held a meeting till 1am with his crack rescue team of five IAS, one IPS, one IFS and two GAS (Gujarat Administrative Service) officers. Two DSPs and five police inspectors were also part of his delegation. They sat again with the nitty-gritty of evacuation in a huddle that a senior BJP leader said lasted till 1am on Sunday.

Around 80 Toyota Innovas have been requisitioned to ferry Gujaratis to safer places in Dehradun as have four Boeings. On Saturday, 25 luxury buses transported a bunch of grateful people to Delhi. The efforts are being coordinated by two of the senior-most IAS officers of Gujarat, one currently stationed in Delhi and another in Uttarakhand.

As if that was not enough to thumb his nose at a government accused of large-scale mismanagement in handling the crisis, Modi later in the day even offered to "completely rebuild" the temple at Kedarnath using "the latest technology available" in such a way that no natural calamity would ever shake it again. The Uttarakhand CM is believed to have dismissed the statement.{Of course he'll dismiss it. How can any Cong CM worth his salt miss out on contract kickbacks from the rebuilding gravy train, eh?}

What cannot be dismissed, though, is Modi's now trademark style of micro-management, something his supporters say is the need of the hour for India. "It's amazing what he has done here," said Anil Baluni, a BJP leader. "If someone doesn't like it, what can we do?'

Modi's men have not only para-dropped a complete medical team in Hardwar, they have also set up camps across th flood-hit regions. Prominent BJP workers in villages across the state are dealing directly with members of the rescue committee, telling them where food is to be sent, people given shelter and medicines administered. That seems to have helped. When a car owned by a Gujarati was stuck in a road-block by angry residents demanding aid in Badkot, Uttarkashi, an urgent message was immediately sent out by an IAS officer and the vehicle taken to safety.

Asked about the "new model" of rescue and relief operation by Modi that has helped 15,000 Gujaratis get out of Uttarakhand, an angry Congress legislator said, "See, that's what we mean. His model works only for Gujaratis."{Which is why when he expands his constituency to all of India tomorrow, tumhari phategi big time beta...}

80 innovas + 4 Boeings + 25 luxury buses == 15,000 Gujarathis saved. (maybe, others were also saved, but primarily Gujjus).

This is what a good ruler means. This! This is why he should be made PM of desh.

A ruler makes the difference of life and death. Kongis prove it everytime, in a negative manner. NaMo proved it in a positive manner.

SwamyG wrote:Hari garu, I have still reservations....nenu diniki minchi chepannu

He just saved 15,000 guys from his state. As a CM, deniki minchi inka emi cheyali?

Every quality has its positive side and negative side. Anger, ambition, love, beauty, ...etc all can be used positively or negatively.

Even if you assume that Modi is only guided by his personal ambition, he is doing good. So, this is a positive side of ambition. If a person does good to people propelled by ambition or desire for fame, such ambition or desire for fame is good. Italian and her pappus are the example of exact opposite behaviour. If a person does harm to people propelled by ambition or desire for fame, such ambition or desire for fame is bad. You are simply not noticing this difference.

For example, lets say X wants to be the first ranker in his class. So, he studies hard day and night and finally scores well in his class and becomes first ranker. Y also wants to be first ranker in his class, he does not study at all. He sees that X is studying hard. So, he tries to disrupt the chances of X. Y cheats in the exam, bribes the invigilator, bribes the person who corrects the answer sheets, and so on. Both X and Y have the same ambition, but the methods are different. So, X is not equal to Y.

Another example, X loves a girl. He woos the girl and finally succeeds in making her fall in love with him. Then, he woos the parents of the girl and convinces them also. Finally, marries her with the blessings of the family. Y also loves a girl. But, Y thinks the girl will not accept his proposal, so he throws acid on her face so that she will not be acceptable to anyone else. Both, X and Y are in love, but they are not same same.

archan wrote:
Pranav wrote: Is this thread causing takleef outside of BRF (like the YSR accident thread did)?
We've seen a tendency on BRF that members often overestimate the impact of their posts. Outside of BRF, it hardly matters what people post in here. Which is why I am surprised how serious some take themselves/their posts here.
No, no takleef anywhere "outside". Its just that the mods are getting fed up.

Saar ji,
it is difficult to prove na+asthi(does not exist), in this case, 'impact'. One can only prove the existence of something. One cannot prove non-existence.

At the most, one can say that one has, thus far, not seen(pratyaksha) or heard(shabda) of it. And you think(anumana) that there is not impact.

However, the existence of one counter example, will falsify your claim.

wiki wrote:One notices a white swan. From this one can conclude:

At least one swan is white.

From this, one may wish to conjecture:

All swans are white.

It is impractical to observe all the swans in the world to verify that they are all white.

Even so, the statement all swans are white is testable by being falsifiable. For, if in testing many swans, the researcher finds a single black swan, then the statement all swans are white would be falsified by the counterexample of the single black swan.

Link

What is the counter example in this case?
All the posters here are themselves counter examples, isn't it. They came across this site while searching for something on the net. Then, they lurked for sometime(maybe a day, a week, a month or an year...). Then, they decided to join. Then, they decided to post. This is impact.

What is the degree of impact?
That is difficult to gauge, I think. Even the surveys can only be an indicator.

Anyway, the primary thing that is shared here is 'ideas'. Ideas have great power, perhaps, the greatest power. Their lifetime is way beyond the people. And their spread is also not easy to track. So, ideas that are shared in public forums can spread widely. The impact may not be visible immediately, but that does not prove that there is no impact.

Also, there is another angle here: Govt.s are snooping on people. This is happening in US. And there seems to be a similar project in desh. Perhaps, such projects are there in every country. And there have been instances on the net, when sites or information or pages or blogs suddenly being blocked or disappearing. So, there is every chance that if some people in powerful positions are not happy, they may try to shut down such things.

Of course, it is true that people give great importance to their own actions and take it seriously. Perhaps, it is a surviving mechanism. This ails everyone(not just posters). Otherwise, in this vast universe, what is the worth of a man's actions? What does it change, if people live or die? What difference is there, whether human race continues or perishes?

People would like to believe that there is some purpose to it... The same thing can be seen on the forum also. Among lurkers, trolls, posters, mods and admins....

archan wrote:So one more enthusiastic deshbhakt has been banned. Now disha et al, I would ask you to moderate your language. Once in a while someone uses adjectives like CON-gis etc. But when your entire posts are laden by so much hatred, you don't really look like someone looking for a better alternative. This thread is really a new low.
Yes, a lot of Indians want change. But is this how you guys want to attract the fence sitters?
I have had people say they'd vote for Rahul Gandhi just because "at least he looks good and educated". For people who want a better India, want to endorse a better alternative, you guys sound way too hate filled.

Saar ji,
that is an interesting idea. Would you apply this idea to paki threads also, then? I mean:

May be, it is good to moderate one's language while posting on pakis also. Once in a while someone uses adjectives like pakis etc. But when entire posts are laden by so much hatred, one doesn't really look like someone looking for a better alternative or trying to change things. That thread may be interpreted as a really low.
Yes, a lot of Indians hate terrorism and want things to change. Yes, a lot of people around the world are fed up of terrorism. But can the fence sitters be attracted by abusing the pakis?
There are people who say they like Imran Khan just because "at least he looks good and educated". For people who want a better world free of terrorism, want to endorse a better alternative, paki thread sounds too hate filled.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jun 2013 09:46

Interview: Sharad Yadav

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jun 2013 09:48

Bihar: After division adding up

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 23 Jun 2013 11:16

The 15K rescue

This is going to be a very interesting study material. It is interesting to see how 15K pilgrims were spotted, collected and coordinated.

Rescue and relief is not what it sounds on social media, news paper and tv. Hell of ragada and chaos go on relentlessly. To make a way out of this, Modi's team must have found out some innovative approaches.

Kudos!

(Anybody influential govt side is reading this, pl stop this aerial survey nonsense. I dont pay tax for unproductive aerial surveys. You arrogants, satellite bhi hamare paise se chadate ho aur upar se luxury plane mein survey bhi hamare paise se? Satellite kaay ke liye chadaye? Aur nahi bhi chadaye, sat image kuch hajar rupiyo mein internation bazaar mein milta hai. This is for all parties and politicians)

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 23 Jun 2013 12:36

ToI comment

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 23 Jun 2013 12:47

This is the pain relatives go through and this is the relief when they are rescued. It does not matter if it is Modi or Gehlot. Like I said earlier , at times of national disaster, we have to see beyond all of this and CM's can muster far more resources to get people to safety.
To see politics when hundreds of lives are at stake is truly despicable and Shinde and DigVijay Singh stand accused of that!

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Jun 2013 13:20

Tavleen rips the NiKu facade: Let’s talk of real things

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 23 Jun 2013 13:21

NaMo addressing first Mega Election rally at Pathankot after taking over as Campaign chief.
Live on TimeNow.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Jun 2013 14:18

Arjun wrote:Tavleen rips the NiKu facade: Let’s talk of real things

I am afraid I will disagree with Tavleen Singh here on her central premise.

India's biggest problem is bad governance and one reason why we always fail to address it is because we get distracted much too often by useless debates on things such as secularism.

The discussion on "secularism" is a very real and important debate, it is a proxy debate for the "idea of India" do we want a Nehruvian, dhimmi, mildly Islamic India, continuously trying to be more like "them" with "us" providing merely slave labor towards this "development"

No should for a minute think that this is not a critical issue raging in the heart of India

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Jun 2013 14:51

teams of writers on inc-pasand tv channels and inc paid hacks must be hard at work rounding some sleeping drunks to claim on tv, they too were trapped there but Namo team on learning they were not yindu left them behind

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Jun 2013 14:59

BJP appears to be re-positioning itself as back to basics BJP and this seems to be result of recent alignment meetings between various BJP leaders. This also explains why JD(U) was constrained to break away with BJP clearly communicating its strategy.

Narendra Modi sounds poll bugle, rakes up Uniform Civil Code at Pathankot rally

#10: If in 2004 Vajpayee govt would have been formed, rights of Kashmiri Pandits would have been protected-Narendra Modi

#11: If Vajpayee's govt had returned to power Kashmiri Pandits would have got justice, Kashmiris would have been in step with other Indians: Modi

From rediff --

14:42 LIVE! Advani pushes for repealing of Article 370: Senior BJP leader L K Advani today pushed for repealing Article 370 of the Constitution, saying it would help Jammu and Kashmir's full integration with India.

"The country eagerly awaits the day when Article 370 would be repealed and the two vidhans (Constitution) also would become one," Advani wrote in his blog to commemorate the 60th death anniversary of party's founder Shyama Prasad Mookerjee.

Article 370 accords special Constitutional status on J&K and its abolition has been one of BJP's core demands.

The party had put the issue on back burner in its attempt to woo more allies, most of whom are wary of its Hindutva agenda.

In his blog titled 'Independent India's First Martyr for National Integration', the veteran leader said Mookerjee's death in controversial circumstances triggered a series of developments which significantly promoted the process of national integration.

I for one am glad to see a BJP realigned with its fundamental strategy and focusing on its core messages.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Jun 2013 15:12

Some one else who feels BJP is going back to its core issues, and to not be accused of opportunism, they are fielding as front some one with impeccable credentials of credibility. Since the original core message had greatest impact in the GV belt, UP-Bihar, this strategy is in tune with the view "the road to Delhi goes through Lucknow" view.

Narendra Modi's elevation may resurrect BJP's fortunes in UP: Analyst

Ashutosh Misra of Political Science department of Lucknow University and a political analyst says the exact target of the "Modi missile" fired by the BJP is Uttar Pradesh.

The party, which has already announced to contest on the issue of inflation, corruption and development, and has also not desisted to sacrifice its 17 year old ally and opposition from within, feels that the party's resolve to return to its core issue would go down well in Uttar Pradesh and the message from here would be well received all over the country.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Jun 2013 15:17

Meanwhile, from twitter

@ANI_news 1m
The way he(Narendra Modi) raised national security issues in Pathankot,its not right when country is facing a calamity-Ajay Maken,Congress

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 23 Jun 2013 17:26

Modi's mask is gone apparently;

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... sk-is-gone

Says that Modi used loads of subterfuge to screw all his competitors and Keshubhai Patel and got the top job in 2001.

{that he did a good job afterwards is not mentioned

}

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 23 Jun 2013 17:37

So this means he is an astute politician. not like some q-tiya pappu..

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 23 Jun 2013 17:46

Some might think this isn't the appropriate thread but I think it is to some extent because of the politics that was/is involved.

Great watch!

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 23 Jun 2013 18:11

Atri wrote:So this means he is an astute politician. not like some q-tiya pappu..

Pappu , if he were an American politician, would have a lot of aspersions cast on his "manliness" and tendency to not be attracted to women.

But as an Indian, he is content to be ground up and be with the villagers, and be sympathetic to their plight and woes.

Again, being of sensitive nature, he understands that his party needs to get rid of the Nehru Gandhi clan tag and at least TALKS of getting rid of the dynasty culture.

But the guy needs to man up and face responsibilities. Else he will run the party into the ground. He is totally not a man of the times. The man of the times needs to be clued into what Indians want.

Talk is not one of them.

Show em the money

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 23 Jun 2013 18:27

was tht some sort of apologetic propping up of pappu?

shenshitib, getting rid of Nehru gandhi tag OMG

Youth icon instead of loot icon

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 23 Jun 2013 18:54

Advani still in sulk mode, might pounce at the next opportunity to embarrass BJP

But Advani remains unconvinced, and leaves no opportunity to take his party to task. On Friday, while speaking at a function in the national Capital to commemorate the "martyrdom" of Shyama Prasad Mookerjee, Advani sought to remind his party colleagues that even the Jan Sangh founder had tried to bring anti-Congress forces together to break the Congress's sway.

The allusion was not lost on anyone. He was hinting at Modi's perceived role in forcing the JD-U to break its 17-year-old ties with the BJP. BJP leaders ranged against Advani to trash his argument.

"Advaniji was the BJP's face in the 2009 Lok Sabha polls. Yet, Orissa Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik decided to break away from the NDA and go solo. Should we blame Advaniji for the BJP-BJD split. Everyone knows that the BJP can attract new allies only if it sets its house in order and increases its tally in the Lok Sabha significantly," said a senior leader who did not wish to be named.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 23 Jun 2013 19:06

I think the "natural calamity" will do more than merely damage. It will raise those voices who will connect "madira mangsa bhakshan" in the zone, to the wrath of Mahakaal. When used properly, it will kill certain tendencies of rampant mercantilism in the fad about development that was engulfing the area. A leaner, meaner institutional as well as societal direction is feasible.

It marks a turning point for Uttarakhand. There will be the seeds of a purification drive in the coming future. Down the lane, there are darker periods ahead for the BJP, and NaMo. But I am really happy, that they are seemingly turning towards the basic "kattar" principle that I have suggested many times on posts that they should have. They shoul dnot fear getting isolated or less votes. They must stick to their basic foundational principles. In the process they may lose temporarily - electorally - and they will face murderous attacks organized by forces patronized by state-size back-ups, internally as well as externally. But this will prepare the ground for the polarization needed to first check the flood, and then turn things around by the survivors of that struggle.