Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jun 2013 19:13

Remember he was very close to Windbag and part of BJP's strategic core post 95 (when Windbag put in charge of BJP).

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 23 Jun 2013 19:40

he was part of lka team not abv

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 23 Jun 2013 19:44

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 23 Jun 2013 19:55

Johneeg: He is not the CM of that state. His team was not involved in the direct rescue operations. The credit goes to numerous military forces. Projection of bringing back people of his state in these conditions is .....

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jun 2013 19:57

fanne wrote:he was part of lka team not abv

He was their with ABV as well but "Paarde ke peeche".

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jun 2013 20:00

secular hai, secular nahin hai

Article 370 of the Constitution must be repealed: Advani

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/06/23/a ... 94172.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jun 2013 20:07

Yeddyurappa praises Modi, undecided on Third Front

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 720668.cms

Nilesh Oak · Post by **Nilesh Oak** » 23 Jun 2013 20:14

Shonu wrote:Some might think this isn't the appropriate thread but I think it is to some extent because of the politics that was/is involved.

Great watch!

Shonu ji,

Extremely relevant as I see it. Where can I listen to the entire lecture. I will check Youtube, however if you have links and can post, will be much appreciated.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Jun 2013 20:26

Flash news. Munna has finally cut short videsh vacation and reached delhi. Will visit disaster area fmrw with handpicked msm

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 23 Jun 2013 20:30

krishnan wrote:10 people is normal for innova , you can add 2-3 more per car in emergencies , also it could have been altered by removing the seats which gives 15-20 per car

I do believe that this entire story by ToI is just a plant. Deception and disinformation. Has Modi's official tweet claimed anything in similar lines?

The MSM and the Congress are going to use the story, which is anyways a plant, to vilify Modi. See Manish Tiwaris "reaction"

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jun 2013 21:16

This is the strategy "Loh Purush" wanted to implement at all India level.

Delhi BJP for Non-Political Entities in Wakf Boards

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=801549

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 23 Jun 2013 21:32

Nilesh Oak wrote:Shonu ji,

Extremely relevant as I see it. Where can I listen to the entire lecture. I will check Youtube, however if you have links and can post, will be much appreciated.

Nileshji,

This is the full lecture:

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Jun 2013 22:35

^only problem is the bank driven model should be careful in terms of profits obtained from market driven model. i don't think, one can drive out a economic policy from one angle alone. however, the idea that family driven society rely on banks, in turn rely on market driven economy could gel well as the concept of savings overtakes higher, and the guarantee > risks equation given priority. the clarity by example for the failures are given, but the clarity for the bank driven model is not. this is where the lecture ends.

essentially, statistics and relationships, should map to plans for the future.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Jun 2013 22:45

SwamyG wrote:Johneeg: He is not the CM of that state. His team was not involved in the direct rescue operations. The credit goes to numerous military forces. Projection of bringing back people of his state in these conditions is .....

What are direct rescue operations? Sorry, you are clutching at straws here. Rescuing people is rescuing people. If the CM of that state was competent, he would not get involved. Clearly, he received indications that the disaster was not being responded to adequately.

A common Indian would not give a darn where the help comes from, as long as it comes. Regional/state thinking is passe' and ridiculous.

As regards the military, they are not God. The issue is beyond them, they are doing bits and pieces, so are the rest. If the military could do everything, come a natural calamity, the state would not need to do anything (not that it does). The military is trained for warfighting, equipped for it. They make do with what they have, but many of their capabilities are dwarfed by what civilian teams can and should possess.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 23 Jun 2013 23:25

Plus the obvious fact that Modi is also an aspiring PM of all of India, not just CM of Gujarat. But who's keeping track of such nuances, hmm?

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Jun 2013 01:30

johneeG wrote:People would like to believe that there is some purpose to it... The same thing can be seen on the forum also. Among lurkers, trolls, posters, mods and admins....

archan wrote:So one more enthusiastic deshbhakt has been banned. Now disha et al, I would ask you to moderate your language. Once in a while someone uses adjectives like CON-gis etc. But when your entire posts are laden by so much hatred, you don't really look like someone looking for a better alternative. This thread is really a new low.
Yes, a lot of Indians want change. But is this how you guys want to attract the fence sitters?
I have had people say they'd vote for Rahul Gandhi just because "at least he looks good and educated". For people who want a better India, want to endorse a better alternative, you guys sound way too hate filled.
Saar ji,
that is an interesting idea. Would you apply this idea to paki threads also, then? I mean:

May be, it is good to moderate one's language while posting on pakis also. Once in a while someone uses adjectives like pakis etc. But when entire posts are laden by so much hatred, one doesn't really look like someone looking for a better alternative or trying to change things. That thread may be interpreted as a really low.
Yes, a lot of Indians hate terrorism and want things to change. Yes, a lot of people around the world are fed up of terrorism. But can the fence sitters be attracted by abusing the pakis?
There are people who say they like Imran Khan just because "at least he looks good and educated". For people who want a better world free of terrorism, want to endorse a better alternative, paki thread sounds too hate filled.

JohneeG., pranaams. Great post!

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Jun 2013 01:43

mahadevbhu wrote:Modi's mask is gone apparently;

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... sk-is-gone

Says that Modi used loads of subterfuge to screw all his competitors and Keshubhai Patel and got the top job in 2001.

{that he did a good job afterwards is not mentioned }

I am trying to still figure out the implications of the slaps TOI is getting from internet Hindus in the comment sections.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Jun 2013 01:50

Niku is jealous of Modi going to Ukh and flying out 15k Gujarati's, I hear from sources Nilu's planning to go and fly out 20 K Bihari's out too and take them back to Gujarat or Mumbai.

*Standard disclaimers and JMts*

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 24 Jun 2013 02:03

Harbans Sir that below the belt comment. Biharis do not have to go to Gujarat or Mumbai, and no they do not all work in Gujarat/mumbai. Please have sense of the situation. You have to diss out Niku please by all means do that, but for that you do not have to deman all Biharis.
rgds,
fanne

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 24 Jun 2013 02:17

disha wrote: I am trying to still figure out the implications of the slaps TOI is getting from internet Hindus in the comment sections.

These people are unable to figure out that the game is changing under their feet big time, practically by the day. They're desperately trying the same tried-and-tested formulae. It will take more than just a few jhapads to change their behavior, since they have their careers invested in the previous paradigm. What irony. These people were targeting the elite for brainwashing, ignoring the teeming masses. Now that the elite are waking up, the only hope of these anglophone journalists, is that the rural masses will somehow magically remain immune to the Modi mantra.

If our wishes come true in 2014 and there is a massive paradigm shift, I predict that in addition to the sudden efflux of these morons to foreign shores and assignments, there is also going to be a huge jump in suicide rates as carefully crafted career paths evaporate overnight.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 24 Jun 2013 02:29

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... t=1&ref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/whereispappu

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Jun 2013 02:51

Fanne Ji, it was not below the belt or anything. Fact is large number of people from Bihar are reeling from the ravages of the Laloos and now Nitish kinds. The land that gave Buddha, the Mauryan Empire, Nalanda and much more deserves better. Fact is to escape the ravages of recent rulers that many have made life outside is no snide on Bihari's but it's leadership.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Jun 2013 04:00

Ok, finally some headway in maharashtra (read beyond the headline):

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/not-d ... 130622.htm

It seems the Bharatiya Janata Party proposes but the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena disposes.

MNS chief Raj Thackeray has snubbed the BJP for unilaterally making statements to rope in his party to forge a grand alliance in Maharashtra, without holding any formal talks in this regard.

He also hinted that he is not so ‘desperate’ to join the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance) in the run-up to the Lok Sabha elections.

He curtly asked BJP leaders to concentrate on their own party’s growth, instead of sending signals through the media about forming a Shiv Sena-BJP- Republican Party of India alliance in the state.

Curiously, Thackeray’s remarks have brought relief to the ruling Congress-Nationalist Congress Party alliance, which is struggling to survive the anti-incumbency factor and corruption charges.

Maharashtra Pradesh Congress Party chief Manikrao Thackeray termed MNS as a “small party”, while NCP spokesman Nawab Malik said the MNS will turn a spoiler.

The stand taken by Thackeray comes at a time when BJP's former president Nitin Gadkari, BJP's deputy leader in Lok Sabha Gopinath Munde and its Maharashtra unit chief Devendra Fadanvis have been openly favouring MNS' association as it would help take on the ruling Congress-NCP alliance. These leaders recently held meetings with Thackeray to pursue their agenda.

Besides, Phadanvis had recently admitted that defeating the ruling alliance in the Lok Sabha elections and later in the state assembly polls will be easier after MNS’ entry into the Sena-BJP-RPI alliance.

Thackeray clarified that BJP leaders, who made a courtesy call, never made any formal offer on MNS joining the Sena-BJP-RPI alliance.

Thackeray was not available for his comment as he was travelling.

However, one of his close associates and a party functionary, who did not want to be named, said, “For Raj Thackeray, the BJP is not untouchable but he was strongly displeased with BJP's desperation and the party spreading news about forming an alliance with the MNS. Further, Raj has already clarified that there was no truck between the MNS and the Shiv Sena."

The BJP feels that any division in votes may spoil their efforts to defeat the Congress and the NCP.

In Maharashtra, the Congress-NCP alliance got the majority of the seats (25 out of 48) in 2009 Lok Sabha elections, despite its vote percentage going down by 3.2 per cent compared to 2004. The MNS cut into the vote of the Shiv Sena-BJP alliance, which helped the Congress win more seats.

Subsequently, in the state assembly elections held in October 2009, MNS won 13 seats and polled around 5.7 per cent of the state’s vote, eating into the Shiv Sena’s share, and in some places, the NCP’s vote share as well. The Sena was the worst-hit, losing 3.7 per cent of its support since the last Lok Sabha polls.

So the game seems clear. This guy will finally come into NDA as a pre-poll alliance. To save his face, it will termed as a pact with BJP and not sena. What will interesting is who gives how many seats from their share to him.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jun 2013 04:49

Advani was tamed by Congress ideas, values

Ironically, at this stage, Advani lost steam and became a prisoner of the conventional wisdom he had fought against so heroically. He continued to use his tremendous organizational skills to the hilt, but somewhere the fire inside had extinguished; when the BJP came to power in 1998, it was Advani Mark II who became home minister, and later deputy prime minister. Mark II because he never had the courage to challenge former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s tryst with continuity; outrage followed outrage—e.g., a myriad of surrenders by the government, appeasement of Muslims, directionless foreign policy, rampant corruption, faltering liberalization—but Advani never expressed his disgust at the state of affairs. He often spoke about “hot pursuit” to terrorists in Kashmir but never had the courage to execute it. In fact, his acquiescence increased Vajpayee’s trust in the people who had no stake in change—the people like Brajesh Mishra and Sudheendra Kulkarni. The result was that the BJP, the “party with a difference,” failed to deliver; the promise of change was observed in the breach; and status quo emerged as the ultimate winner.

Kulkarni, Advani’s key aide, is notorious. At least one newspaper, The Economic Times, presented him as a murky wheeler-dealer whom former Disinvestment Minister Arun Shourie threw out from his office. As far as I remember, the ET report too has not been denied so far. According to political journalists covering the BJP, Kulkarni became powerful within the party because of, apart from his proximity to Advani, his strong and old corporate connections. Nothing else can explain his meteoric rise since his joining the party in 1996; he was officer on special duty in the Prime Minister’s Office during Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s regime; till recently, he was a close confidant of BJP president Lal Krishna Advani, writing his speeches and influencing him to make the Jinnah remark in Pakistan.

I believe that what catapulted Kulkarni to national prominence were not just his touting skills but also his capability to mould the thinking of the BJP’s big two, Vajpayee and Advani. And how did he do that? Simply by parroting the lies and rhetoric of the Left.

It is no secret that Kulkarni was a Marxist. Now, Leftists turning Rightwards is not unusual. In fact, in America a number of communists like Irving Kristol and Whitakkar Chambers saw the light and became ardent anti-communists; such former communists renounced Marxist mendacity, embraced the truth, and propagated it with great élan. They helped alter the public discourse and made the Reagan revolution possible.

Kulkarni, on the other hand, is a rank opportunist; he never renounced the Leftist ideology, as is evident from his recent writings, yet he joined the anti-Leftist party, the BJP, and enjoyed the perks of high office (In this regard, he is infinitely worse than communists like Sitaram Yechury and D. Raja, who never renounced their ideology for personal gains; even in the worst days for communism in India in the late 1990s and early 2000s, they stuck to the ideology which, everybody said, had lost relevance). Kulkarni always wanted the BJP to change its core ideology, so that it conforms to the secular claptrap and somehow regains power. With friends like Kulkarni, Advani needed no enemies.

The story of Advani is not that of rise and fall but that of rise and dissipation; he failed because he ignored his ideological moorings and went adrift on the ocean of conventional wisdom and political correctness. The drift increased with his entering into office: power not only corrupts, it also tames radicals and debases ideologies. So, we got Advani Mark II and the abomination called the NDA government.

And then came the Mohammad Ali Jinnah remarks: in June 2005, he lauded the Father of Pakistan for being “secular.” Since in our country, being secular means being good and modern, his remarks were seen as betrayal of the cause of Hindutva. It was his preeminent stature in the BJP that stood in good stead, but it surely diminished him in the eyes of the hardcore supporters of the party.

He went on to lead the party in the 2009 elections, but he had become a shadow of his earlier, vigorous self. He was seen, and still seen, as a run-of-the-mill leader who is no different from others. The momentum was not with him; it still isn’t.

More than age, it is his laidback approach to important issues that is off-putting. When N.R. Narayana Murthy recently came out of retirement and rejoined Infosys, the company’s shares registered a big jump. Investors have shown confidence in him. Unfortunately for Advani, BJP cadres have not shown similar confidence in him. In Modi, on the other hand, they see the Advani of 1990.

http://indiaright.org/detail.php?id=833

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 24 Jun 2013 05:32

Humm guys hatts of to the person who put this article. But if anyone had cared about what I have been writing, I have cried horse on this guy here at BR for last 6-7 years. What is missing among many great stories that this guy is associated with from the above story is that - The new clere detergent was going to fail, the MPs were bribed/blackmailed. BJP tried to get a leg up and expose the bribing. A man by the name of Kulkarni headed that operation from BJP. He unexpectedly called IBN's Mr. Sardeshai's channel to record it secretly (now it is like India calling Musharaff to strategies how to save Kargil for India). As planned, IBN never showed that expose. I believe it was always planned that way. Advani problem is not that personally anything is wrong he has bad advisers. I hope the second one PA is also exposed. People in BJP who are not elected/ or are public figure, but have access to the power should be exposed.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Jun 2013 05:43

fanne wrote:Humm guys hatts of to the person who put this article. But if anyone had cared about what I have been writing, I have cried horse on this guy here at BR for last 6-7 years. What is missing among many great stories that this guy is associated with from the above story is that - The new clere detergent was going to fail, the MPs were bribed/blackmailed. BJP tried to get a leg up and expose the bribing. A man by the name of Kulkarni headed that operation from BJP. He unexpectedly called IBN's Mr. Sardeshai's channel to record it secretly (now it is like India calling Musharaff to strategies how to save Kargil for India). As planned, IBN never showed that expose. I believe it was always planned that way. Advani problem is not that personally anything is wrong he has bad advisers. I hope the second one PA is also exposed. People in BJP who are not elected/ or are public figure, but have access to the power should be exposed.

Saar, just wait for sanku saar to put a chanakyan spin on how kulkarni is actually helping bjp and how advani is a genius to keep him as his advisor. I hope some of the damage can be reversed by modi. Any updates on BJP-JVM alliance? Can Marandi return to BJP or have an alliance?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 24 Jun 2013 05:45

among many ppl (and I do not want to name these ppl here on internet), two did great damage to LKA and to BJP - SK and PA (after her divorce for sure).

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Jun 2013 05:58

fanne wrote:among many ppl (and I do not want to name these ppl here on internet), two did great damage to LKA and to BJP - SK and PA (after her divorce for sure).

This is the issue with Indian political structure, I should not be one person centric, we all thought BJP had many internal checks and balances, but unfortunately, by damaging advani they did damage BJP and his reign saw the exodus of many mass leaders from BJP. So this is a lesson for the future, Modi cannot be a one man army. There needs to be a system.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jun 2013 06:04

Modi invokes Atal, reaches out to Kashmiri youth

Why does Modi need to talk about WINDBAG?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jun 2013 06:05

fanne wrote:Humm guys hatts of to the person who put this article. But if anyone had cared about what I have been writing, I have cried horse on this guy here at BR for last 6-7 years. What is missing among many great stories that this guy is associated with from the above story is that - The new clere detergent was going to fail, the MPs were bribed/blackmailed. BJP tried to get a leg up and expose the bribing. A man by the name of Kulkarni headed that operation from BJP. He unexpectedly called IBN's Mr. Sardeshai's channel to record it secretly (now it is like India calling Musharaff to strategies how to save Kargil for India). As planned, IBN never showed that expose. I believe it was always planned that way. Advani problem is not that personally anything is wrong he has bad advisers. I hope the second one PA is also exposed. People in BJP who are not elected/ or are public figure, but have access to the power should be exposed.

Try to relates these two leads:

1) Guy joins BJP in 1996 and becomes officer on special duty in PMO with Windbag a PM
2) Kanchan Gupta calls him Sudheendra Hinduja

Read this

Hindujas also fixed Mishra's meeting with G-8 Ministers

The disclosure of the Hindujas' active role in setting up meetings here on behalf of the Government of India, independently of the Indian High Commission, is likely to embarrass the Vajpayee Government at a time when they are being investigated by the CBI in the Bofors case.

http://www.hindu.com/2001/05/11/stories/01110007.htm

and

The Vajpayee Angle

THE BJP's prime ministerial hopeful A.B. Vajpayee has close links with the Hindujas, among the alleged recipients of Rs 64 crore payoffs in the Bofors scam.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?204981

and many leads here to explore for those who are interested.

https://www.google.ca/search?client=ubu ... ygGl2ICoCQ

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jun 2013 06:07

In the beginning, a National Democratic Front: L K Advani

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 24 Jun 2013 06:10

Boss I hope I dont show up dead. Lets stop this angle of thinking.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jun 2013 06:19

fanne wrote:among many ppl (and I do not want to name these ppl here on internet), two did great damage to LKA and to BJP - SK and PA (after her divorce for sure).

PA?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jun 2013 06:23

Sushupti wrote:
fanne wrote:among many ppl (and I do not want to name these ppl here on internet), two did great damage to LKA and to BJP - SK and PA (after her divorce for sure).
PA?

OK got it

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jun 2013 06:34

abhishek_sharma wrote:Modi invokes Atal, reaches out to Kashmiri youth

Why does Modi need to talk about WINDBAG?

Even Beef eater Sonia Gandhi goes to Prayag and takes dip into Ganga on the occasion of Kumbh. Does it mean anything ?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jun 2013 06:43

So Modi has some similarities with beef-eater Sonia Gandhi. They both do stuff without really believing in it.

Noted, with sadness.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Jun 2013 06:47

abhishek_sharma wrote:So Modi has some similarities with beef-eater Sonia Gandhi. They both do stuff without really believing in it.

Noted, with sadness.

Boss, modi is a proponent of realpolitik. It has to be practiced on some occasions. Does not mean he is a windbag or will prove to be toothless like vajpayee.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jun 2013 06:51

Realpolitik? It "has to be practised". Why? Do ends really justify the means?

Why can't he disassociate from WINDBAG if ABV was that bad for the country?

It appears that we need chankian theories when reality causes cognitive dissonance.

koi baat nahi. Continue.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2013 07:12

Sushupti wrote:Remember he was very close to Windbag and part of BJP's strategic core post 95 (when Windbag put in charge of BJP).

Pay attention to Kanchan Gupta's tweet.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Jun 2013 07:26

abhishek_sharma wrote:Realpolitik? It "has to be practised". Why? Do ends really justify the means?

Why can't he disassociate from WINDBAG if ABV was that bad for the country?

It appears that we need chankian theories when reality causes cognitive dissonance.

koi baat nahi. Continue.

Theek hai.

People are imperfect - have both +ves and -ves. Rather than throw baby out with bathwater, best one can do in a given situ is try to salvage the +ves and move on. But maybe I'm trying to convince someone who's already made up his/her mind only. Why bother, I guess. More often than not, people see what they want to see. Holds for both modi-fans and the pretend-neutrals. Theek hai only.