Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Sanku]

telling commentary on some of the responses here

[Arjun]

He has kept himself far enough (by strategy?) from the current cabal that his followers do see him as someone from outside looking in.

Sri ji, it is news to me that he actually has followers who see any use for him beyond his surname !? Also, if he actually has any ideas in that head of his - what has stopped him from implementing them so far ? Are there actually folks dumb enough to believe the kool-aid that he has not been in a position to influence things ?!

I know you don't speak for his 'followers' - so this is not directed at you by any means.

[rkirankr]

Thanks for taking time to give a reply to my question.

What is the take away from this is not the number. It might well be 1500.That is not important
However the way resources were used, using same infra, the same babudom, he seems to have done something, which many Indians now think is a miracle.
For the GOI, it should have been easier with their resources. This is what threatens many people. He threatens their warm inertia, the chalta hai attitude, the endless chai samosa biskut meetings where nothing is resolved. He makes people work and get results. This is new to the Delhi political culture.
He is showing results whereas others do not even understand the problem. These people are threatened by result oriented approach of Modi. Overall I feel, BJP as a party for all its imperfections, is much more result oriented than Cong.

[ashashi]

Good post, Sri. But I do have extreme difficulty with your calling a 5th generation dynast as an 'anti establishment rank outsider'. RG is pretty much the embodiment of the establishment and sycophantic feudalism in India.

Arjun Ji,

I disagree with you here. His claim to the throne is because of establishment. But he has himself had nothing to do with the establishment ever. He has kept himself far enough (by strategy?) from the current cabal that his followers do see him as someone from outside looking in.

Just like NM followers. NM has officially been part of the establishment. Years as CM and before that General Secretary of BJP. But still his ideas show him in different light and even though he says he will make the current machinery of governance work much better, we feel his idea is new.

Irony is RG a product of dynasty talks of changing the system for it to work better but NM part of the establishment talks of making use of current system better.

Your definition of the word "establishment" seems to be "politician". Everyone agrees that RG is not a good politician but he still is the "embodiment of the establishment".

[Gus]

No. That's why I said in an earlier post that the story is a plant.

if the story is a plant, then congress has not learned from the 'coal in face' episode where they took out full page ads on newspapers on what modi has achieved -- thinking it is a sarcastic back handed compliment....and people took it as congress itself praising modi

[Manish_Sharma]

The people of this country did not vote for BJP in 2004. Therefore BJP or Advani don't have any responsibility for what happened in last 10 years.

And was the NDA govt socialist in any way? And if so, how can the home minister of that govt be held responsible for it?

But Advani ji and Atal ji had the responsibility of not pursuing cases against Sonia, whether bofors or others. Look how maino gang is using CBI against Mayawati and Mulayam. Somebody had posted a news where Pramod Mahajan had shown a file of rahul moving around the world depositing black money to a female indian express reporter(don't remember her name, she later died in an accident.)

Subramaniam Swamy has told how brajesh mishra went to US to save rahul from 133 years of prison due to currency crime on US airport. Why both Shri ABV and Shri LKA helped them?

See how sonia used to abuse ABV during NDA regime and in return ABV's timid vilaap as if an animal yelps after being kicked by an owner:




During this whole business of killer italian marines, LKA-SS-AJ missed the whole chance of taking digs at sonia and exposing this vishkanya:

They didn't even have to mention sonia, just would have taken jibes at
italian characteristics,
their own poor prison records (suicides/deaths in italian prisons).
would have exposed how much unannounced business has gone towards italy ever since rajiv gandhi came in power on the lines of:
India has been getting its coins made from italy ever since 1986. Now we should stop giving this order to italy.

But no, they won't .........

antonia maino can abuse them like anything but in return they'll ........ do what?? yelp like slaves.

Nope this ABV & Advani personality cult has to die, in fact one main criticism against Modi is that a special hero worshiping is forming around him, a personality cult is forming around him. But look how much discussion has turned 'modi vs LKA/ABV' instead of vs. dienasty.

Who cares if somebody call them Gasbag and LoLpurush, ignore it. Safeguarding them is also saving the personalities.

That is why the media-D4-nitish like people are so against Modi, I can see panic and fear in their eyes. What will happen if NDA comes to power again minus the protectors (vajpayee, advani, BM, SK). What makes a hero of Modi in my eyes is not his deeds, but the fear in MSM and congi gang are showing reacting to modi.

[M Joshi]

rajithn and rkirankr, I think it is true. Check below link.
Uttarakhand: Sonia Gandhi flags off relief mission after Narendra Modi's 'rescue' act

Arrival of prince was awaited so that the queen can "flag off" the supplies to the needy in U'khand. Doesn't matter if the delay of 3 days could potentially be the question of life and death to hundreds if not thousands..

[krishnan]

wont the drivers drive or the truck move if the rajmatha didnt flag it off ??

[Gus]

Gujarat govt has shown it is very good at disaster management'

“The first thing the Gujarat government did was to appoint a relief commissioner, Poonam Singh Pandey. They then decided to use the BJP network in Uttarakhand and reached out to each unit seeking help. They sent in four officers in the ranks of IAS and IPS to oversee the work and assist the relief commissioner. Each of these officers who were sent in was originally from Uttarakhand but was working in the Gujarat cadre. This was done to ensure that there was no problem where the locations or the language was concerned. They were able to converse and move around with ease since they were familiar with the place and this helped a lot in the rescue operation,” Baluni noted.

“This team spread across the state. Their phone numbers were shared with BJP workers in the state who were told that the numbers should be shared with the pilgrims who could get in touch with the relief commissioner directly. This made it very easy to communicate, as a result of which the rescue operation was successful. Along with planes, the government of Gujarat also sent in 100 buses to rescue the pilgrims. All the workers were told that the pilgrims who were caught up should be provided food and water until the rescue team reaches there,” he said.

swamyg -

there is only so much work you can get out of political workers on rum and biriyani and pocket change. dedicated work comes out of inspiration from charismatic leadership. here is where modi scores a lot...due to his personal image of clean, development oriented, decisive, etc etc etc..

he may not be a selfless mahatma...and i don't expect him to be one either. i expected him to show up, organize, help and in the process show how its done and get some mileage out of it. there is nothing wrong in that. he is an indian, right? what is this business of telling him where he can help and where he cannot (your irrelevant and wrong analogy of resident complexes)...

[Sanku]

would have exposed how much unannounced business has gone towards italy ever since rajiv gandhi came in power on the lines of:
India has been getting its coins made from italy ever since 1986. Now we should stop giving this order to italy.

But no, they won't .........

antonia maino can abuse them like anything but in return they'll ........ do what?? yelp like slaves.

Nope this ABV & Advani personality cult has to die, in fact one main criticism against Modi is that a special hero worshiping is forming around him, a personality cult is forming around him. But look how much discussion has turned 'modi vs LKA/ABV' instead of vs. dienasty.
.

No Manish, the problem is not that there is a cult around ABV or LKA (what cult, where ? ) the problem (only on BRF to be frank) is that people have decided to give a large go by to reality to build a narrative where everything is rotten and Modi will descend from skies and clean it all.

For example you blamed AJ for not raising the Italian issue

However


http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/13/a ... 54990.html

etc etc.

Now you will say, even that is not enough. Well instead of blaming AJ and SS you should blame those Indians who were singing praises for Manmohan till recently.

Nothing has happened overnight, and some of us have been crying hoarse since 2004, but it stopped no one, now people are covering their guilt of promoting the wrong sorts by blaming old BJP leadership. (not you, I know you have not supported congress or man mohan ever)

Sorry, just excuses -- if any one deserves blames, it is those smart alecs who though man mohan was finest thing since sliced bread, and were proud of not being able to see the writing on the wall.

[ashashi]

For example you blamed AJ for not raising the Italian issue

However


http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/13/a ... 54990.html

etc etc.

Now you will say, even that is not enough. Well instead of blaming AJ and SS you should blame those Indians who were singing praises for Manmohan till recently.

AJ was waay too professorial in that speech. Well, most of the time he is that. He is an inapt politician. If Modi comes to power, he could be good Law Minister.

Professors give speeches. Good politicians wheel and deal to make things happen.

[Sri]

Sri ji, it is news to me that he actually has followers who see any use for him beyond his surname !? Also, if he actually has any ideas in that head of his - what has stopped him from implementing them so far ? Are there actually folks dumb enough to believe the kool-aid that he has not been in a position to influence things ?!

I know you don't speak for his 'followers' - so this is not directed at you by any means.

Arjun Ji,

Yes RG has followers and I have met few (nowhere near the NM followers that I have met).

You can say that these followers are generally anti BJP guys and see Rahul as the only hope in the INC system. Most of them think and believe that RG because he is Gandhi scion will make a better PM then Mr Singh as he will have much more political authority. They believe RG is like a breath of fresh air in the hodge podge, stuffy and geriatric Indian polity. All of them believe without doubt that the youth in small towns and villages are waiting for the arrival of yuvraj. According to them and sheer case of chanikiyans where NM is focused on urban voters, RG is quietly chipping away the youth in countryside from other parties without creating much fanfare. Also they point out that RG doesn't believe in allies and he insists on INC doing it alone. He is the reason for breakup of various alliances.

And oh yes! they all hate the current Government. They are angry at Mr Singh for creating a situation where people like NM are nearing the PM post.

Also, many believe that many INC leaders and Allies are in bed with BJP / NM. Just like most at BR think D4 is in cahoots with INC. All of them unanimously believe that these convenient leaks around the parliamentary sessions are work of PMO. Also they point out that Gujrat is the only state to exhausts all the funds allocated by planning commission (how can it be without tacit approval of chairman? hain ji?).

[Virendra]

That NM's policies and brand are attracting "business class + urban middle class" only, has been suggested by others too.
Any thoughts? I was of the opinion that he has a strong base in semi urban Hindi belt too. I still am. It is not out of hearsay. I have felt it first hand.
But nevertheless, the first line still needs to be analyzed. Is he somehow missing the lower gentry that votes in bulk?

Regards,
Virendra

[Sanku]

AJ was waay too professorial in that speech. Well, most of the time he is that. He is an inapt politician. If Modi comes to power, he could be good Law Minister.

Professors give speeches. Good politicians wheel and deal to make things happen.

Well that's a speech in Rajya Sabha, it is supposed to be professorial. At least thankfully Rajya Sabha still sees some good high standard intellectual discussion, where the LS has become akhada for Laloo types.

Actually AJ is the real wheeler dealer, he is THE backroom manager of BJP and a BIG hand behind the Modi victories in Gujarat by micromanaging the campaign details while Modi takes the front mass leader role. There is a reason why after Jaswant Singh --> Arun Jaitely has taken the role of leader of opposition in RS, a VERY prestigious role.

Meanwhile NaMo was at one point of time the real back room boy in large parts of Sangh machinery, in Gujarat, and in other states. He changed hats when tasked by the Sangh and to his credit did exceptionally well in his new role.

A number of these people from Sangh have carried out roles as decided to be the most appropriate by RSS/Sangh collective at different times.

[James B]

Ticker on CNN-IBN:

Dehradun: 4:19 pm: Uttarakhand government not to allow rescue work by other state governments, say sources

[SwamyG]

Gus: I will reply in nukkad. As a supporter I have expressed my reservations, time to move on to nukkad. I like to see Modi's ideas about development and environment. I do not like unchecked development. I prefer a balance and value security and stability more than progress progress progress just for comparing the numbers. So far Modi has said the right things and I agree with them.

[Pranav]

Shiv Sena is bitching again - http://ibnlive.in.com/news/shiv-sena-wo ... 37-64.html

[Pranav]

Uttarakhand: Cong could learn from ‘Rambo’ Modi’s rescue model

The Congress's response to Narendra Modi's supposed Rambo act has been two fold - its senior leaders taking to Twitter, issuing statements running him down with whatever vocabulary they could summon; and second, let party vice president Rahul Gandhi, who faced severe criticism from the opposition for his disappearing act at the time of a national calamity, make a grand appearance with mother, Congress president Sonia Gandhi, at the party headquarters in New Delhi to flag off 25 trucks carrying relief material to Uttrakhand. The whole exercise looked more like a Presidential salute at the Republic Day parade rather than a sincere helping hand to the victims of the natural disaster.

Modi may have had an eye on the subsequent political mobilization through his ground zero rescue act. After all, he too is a politician and is undeclared prime ministerial candidate of the main opposition party and has to prove his management skills. But the way he conducted rescue operations for tourists and pilgrims from Gujarat and transported around 15,000 of them to their home has some lessons for his political rivals, particularly for the Congress.

He did not do a Rambo act himself but did some smart thinking. He made good use of the BJP's organisational machinery at district, mandal (block) and village levels in Uttarakhand and synchronized their activities with that of Gujarat state officials who had descended in good numbers and were camping at different trouble-torn places since 18 June, a day after calamity struck. By the time he landed at Jolly Grant airport in Dehradun on 21 December with a team of officers, a mix of senior and intermediate level officers, he had all the relevant statistics at hand and logistical support in place. It was perhaps the first ever rescue and relief act of its kind where the chief minister of a state camped in another state for three days and evacuated people of his own state without assistance from the host state.

]Uttarakhand Chief Minister Vijay Bahuguna talks with his Gujarat counterpart Narendra Modi about relief work, in Dehradun on Saturday. PTI Uttarakhand Chief Minister Vijay Bahuguna talks with his Gujarat counterpart Narendra Modi about relief work, in Dehradun on Saturday. PTI
While Uttarakhand Chief Minister Vijay Bahuguna appeared completely at loss and helpless, his Gujarat counterpart won many admirers in the Uttarakhand administration. A senior Uttrakhand state official said, "One cannot stop admiring Modi's administrative skills and grasp of the situation."

Modi began his homework immediately after the news of the natural calamity broke. Gujaratis are known to undertake pilgrimages in large numbers and the state government had some rough estimates as to how many of them could be stranded in Uttrakhand. On 18 June, he dispatched Gujarat's Relief Commissioner and Principal Secretary, PK Parmar, a senior IAS officer, to Dehradun. With him came a small group of IAS, IPS and IFS (Indian Forest Service) officers of Gujarat cadre who belonged to Uttrakhand and knew both the terrain and the people.

By the time Modi came his officials had weighed situation, made an assessment and put some rescue and relief system in place. Modi landed with another group of select officers, qualified and trained in rescue and relief. But it was the BJP's party machinery down to block level that he galvanized and put to test. It helped the party workers get out of idle negativity mode and do some worthwhile job to be in sync with their leader. Modi camp office at a hotel in Dehradun had all kinds of communication facilities - all his officers had numbers of BJP functionaries of all 190 mandals (blocks) in Uttrakhand and vice versa.

The party workers were informed of all the logistical support that they could get or Gujarat could provide and were tasked to identify Gujarati tourists or pilgrims, coordinate with Relief Commissioner Parmar or other designated officers. An additional DG rank officer, TS Bisht, had been camping at Guptkashi since June 18. In three days that he spent in Uttrakhand, traveling, meeting people, doing reviews and so on, Modi came across as a man in command, fully conversant with every development and requirement as they arose. State party leaders were surprised to see him holding review meetings at 1 am in morning, after finishing with day's rescue and relief work.

The stranded Gujaratis were provided with food, fuel, transport ranging from Boleros to Innovas to buses and finally Boeings to reach home. Even the chartered plane on which Modi had landed in Dehradun, took off that same night for Ahmedabad carrying 11 rescued pilgrims.

Uttrakhand BJP leader Anil Balooni said, "The Congress should learn to appreciate good works done by our leader and take a lesson or two from the disaster management skills that he displayed. They unfortunately think that their responsibility is over after doing a misguided tweet or making an ill- informed statement against Modiji. His presence gave a new zeal to our party workers."

Modi's three-day Uttrakhand mission has now become a matter of political debate. Two Congress chief ministers Prithviraj Chavan and Bhupinder Singh Hooda landed in Dehradun yesterday. The Congress would hope that their presence and trucks flagged off from its New Delhi headquarters would give relief to the affected people in Uttrakhand and restore popular confidence outside.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/uttar ... 01315.html

[SaiK]

breapers and modi-lets, nukkad is getting some heat of modi-wave.

[muraliravi]

Shiv Sena is bitching again - http://ibnlive.in.com/news/shiv-sena-wo ... 37-64.html

Every single statement from Uddhav or Shiv Sena has to do with only one issue, Seat Sharing and nothing else. BJP is playing hard ball with them on giving some seats to MNS from their share of seats. SS is hesitating to do that. They want all MNS seats to be given from BJP's kitty. But the fact of the matter is that they are the ones most hit by MNS. It is this ego issue and seat sharing that is causing SS/Uddhav to issue all these statements and create a bargaining chip.

[panduranghari]

Ticker on CNN-IBN:

Dehradun: 4:19 pm: Uttarakhand government not to allow rescue work by other state governments, say sources

I wonder if it is to permit the backdoor entry of EJ NGO's?

[Sushupti]

Narendra Modi reacts to Congress's CBI threats

[ashashi]

AJ was waay too professorial in that speech. Well, most of the time he is that. He is an inapt politician. If Modi comes to power, he could be good Law Minister.

Professors give speeches. Good politicians wheel and deal to make things happen.

Well that's a speech in Rajya Sabha, it is supposed to be professorial. At least thankfully Rajya Sabha still sees some good high standard intellectual discussion, where the LS has become akhada for Laloo types.

Actually AJ is the real wheeler dealer, he is THE backroom manager of BJP and a BIG hand behind the Modi victories in Gujarat by micromanaging the campaign details while Modi takes the front mass leader role. There is a reason why after Jaswant Singh --> Arun Jaitely has taken the role of leader of opposition in RS, a VERY prestigious role.

Meanwhile NaMo was at one point of time the real back room boy in large parts of Sangh machinery, in Gujarat, and in o states. He changed hats when tasked by the Sangh and to his credit did exceptionally well in his new role.
A number of these people from Sangh have carried out roles as decided to be the most appropriate by RSS/Sanghe, collective at different times.

?

You are giving too much credit to AJ for Gujarat elections. What is the source of your information ? Please don't use AJ's wik

Under his stewardship, 2009 elections were a diaster.

Sure, AJ is an influential person in BJP, but that mean he is an able politician.

[Sushupti]

All the Janta Dal (a to Z), Samta, Samajwadi party etc are nothing but B team of C system to oppose BJP lead by a non Dili-Billi leader.

Front and foes

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... d=14370936

[Sanku]

You are giving too much credit to AJ for Gujarat elections. What is the source of your information ? Please don't use AJ's wik

Under his stewardship, 2009 elections were a diaster.

Sure, AJ is an influential person in BJP, but that mean he is an able politician.

Please do some basic reading, any source would be start.

[Sushupti]

[ashashi]

You are giving too much credit to AJ for Gujarat elections. What is the source of your information ? Please don't use AJ's wik

Under his stewardship, 2009 elections were a diaster.

Sure, AJ is an influential person in BJP, but that mean he is an able politician.

Please do some basic reading, any source would be start.

Well, if you cannot ubstantiate your claims that Modi's Gujarat wins are a result of Arun Jaitely's masterful micromanagement, of the electioneering, let's move on.

[Ashok Sarraff]

My humble message to those complaining against Modi's evacuation of (primarily) Gujaratis: He focused on Gujaratis because he is Gujarat C.M. If you find it problematic that he focused more on Gujaratis, please work hard on the ground to hand-over Uttarakhand to him, so he can manage the disaster to your satisfaction. In fact, please put in all your energies to hand over the entire country to him in 2014 elections. This will ensure that he can care for all of us, including seculars.

[Sushupti]

How Narendra Modi managed his rescue act in Uttarakhand

The news report that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi helped in the evacuation of 15,000 Gujaratis from Uttarakhand in two days has come under fire from various quarters. Even if one disputes the figures, Modi's detractors can learn how the entire operation was handled meticulously. Sheela Bhatt reports.

A controversy has broken out after a newspaper report that gave huge credit to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi for leading the team that managed evacuation of 15,000 people, during his two-night stay in a hill state of Uttarakhand.

A Non-Resident Indian has even petitioned the Press Council of India for “serious violation of media ethics” for reporting that hugely helped Modi to reinforce his image of being a good administrator.

On Monday, the Gujarat government, when contacted by rediff.com, refused to confirm or deny the exact figures of Gujarati pilgrims helped by the Modi government. However, in an off the record briefing, the officer who was a part of the supervisory team gave factual position of what Modi and the government officers did.

"What all of you are not understanding is that after the Kutch earthquake, the Gujarat government has acquired the capability and more importantly, sensitivity to deal with any kind of disasters. Why should we not share our knowledge with the devastated state? That is real federalism according to Modi,” he said.

He added, “Modi’s critics don’t appreciate that everyone woke up only two days after, but we got the advantage because we anticipated the calamity as soon as the news of cloud burst was reported. Also, I can say with authority that the Gujarat government has done everything with the help of the Uttarakhand government and through the state machinery of Uttarakhand. We refuse to criticise the state government."

He said the actual figures of evacuation of pilgrims by the Gujarat government under the leadership of Modi will never be known because the chartered Boeing planes made five trips to Gujarat from Dehradun, there were hundreds of other cars, buses and trucks engaged by the government.

It’s impossible to count the exact number of pilgrims because, “We had firmly decided that at no point of time pilgrims should crowd the base camp in Haridwar, Dehradun or New Delhi. In case of an emergency, a large congregation can create other issues. Our aim was to rescue the pilgrims, give them food and some counseling and arrange for their transport and move them out of the affected zone.”

Of course, all those helped by the Gujarat government were not Gujaratis, he says.

For example, a group of 10 holy men from the Sivagiri Mutt in Kerala were also trapped. They contacted Modi and they were also located in the mountains and rescued. Modi had visited the mutt last April. The senior officer narrated the sequence of events after the news of cloud burst was reported in the Kedar valley.

“Modi was camping at the Gujarat Bhavan in New Delhi, on the night of June 17. The next day, he was to attend the annual plan meeting. We had an emergency meeting at night to take stock of the situation. Gujaratis have deep faith in the ‘Char Dham yatra’ so we knew that there will be easily more than 20,000 Gujaratis in Uttarakhand. Only common sense was needed to understand the issue,” he said.

Most Hindu Gujarati families dream of visiting Kedarnth-Badrinath and Gangotri-Yamuontri once in a lifetime. It’s a part of the Hindu family tradition. There are hundreds of Gujarat-based tour operators who specialise only in the ‘Char Dham’ yatra. Sometimes, rich families book an entire train to take relatives on the yatra.

On June 17, the camp office was opened at the Gujarat Bhavan. Then, one more camp office was opened right inside the control room of Uttarakhand government. On the same day, Modi asked his officers to enquire with Uttarakhand government the status of the Gujarati pilgrims.

The Uttarakhand government said that the Kedranath and Gangotri routes were facing deluge, floods and landslides. On the morning of June 18, three officers of the Delhi-based resident commissioner's office were asked to co-ordinate and help the Gujarati pilgrims.

Soon, these three officers found out that more than 40 people were stuck in the Kedarnath temple. In spite of information of the location of Gujarati pilgrims it was difficult to co-ordinate at Dehradun.

In no time, mobile numbers of Uttarakhand’s collectors, deputy collectors and disaster management officers were found out and circulated. As soon as information from Gujarat arrived about the missing pilgrims, the government officers knew whom to contact in Uttarakhand.

A system was set up for passing the information to the right person in the field. Also, on June 19, an advertisement in Gujarati papers was given about the available help of the government with all relevant telephone numbers.

On the same day, Modi wrote a detailed letter to Mallikarjun Kharge, the railway minister, requesting him to arrange for special trains. Modi requested that the railways should not charge the fare and serve free food on trains because people had lost everything.

Senior officers of the Gujarat government started writing letters to the Uttarakhand government from June 18 onwards. In one of the letters written on June 18, they gave details of the 94 pilgrims lost somewhere in mountains of the Kedar Valley. But, soon officers understood that by writing letters, things won’t move.

So, more than 25 officers from Gujarat were sent along with doctors to Dehradun on June 19. Modi gave a cheque of Rs 2 crore to Uttarakhand when not many people had an actual idea of the disaster, said the officer.

The officer said, “We received first request from Gujarat’s agriculture minister to help 27 pilgrims of the ‘Jaishree Ambe Ma Pariwar’. We forwarded it to Dehradun.”

Dhirubhai Patel was the first Gujarati pilgrim whose death was officially reported from Uttarakhand. The officer handled his body and helped his relatives with the cremation.

“Until June 20, we were coordinating individual cases, but when Modi went to Uttarakhand, the Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh cadres got galvanised. For the saffron cadre, Modi is next to God. His presence made the difference,” said the officer.

“In his presence they started the rescue work with vigour and helped in locating victims. They knew the local terrain so they could guide victims to take the shortest route to reach safe places,” he added.

The figure of evacuation of 15,000 pilgrims in two days can be surely doubted, but Gujarat state team’s drive and talent to handle the disaster cannot be.

http://m.rediff.com/news/report/how-nar ... um=twitter

[Sanku]

Well, if you cannot ubstantiate your claims that Modi's Gujarat wins are a result of Arun Jaitely's masterful micromanagement, of the electioneering, let's move on.

O boy

Here
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/arun ... 29300.html

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... ajya-sabha

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1730417/r ... eparedness

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/g ... 221979.ece

and this is ONLY for 2012, and ONLY a small snippet of the available information (AJ has worked for 2004 and 2009 Guj elections too)

and oh you can read the wiki too, it wont bite

[ashish raval]

^^ saw Jaitley yesterday in London OFBJP meet on Sunday. Got brief chance of hand shake not much interaction as people were bumping for photo etc. Masterful as ever, Modi and Jaitley combination could easily surpass the achievement of Vajpayee and Advani.

[Sanku]

^^ saw Jaitley yesterday in London OFBJP meet on Sunday. Got brief chance of hand shake not much interaction as people were bumping for photo etc. Masterful as ever, Modi and Jaitley combination could easily surpass the achievement of Vajpayee and Advani.

Lets hope so Ashish ji.

[Muppalla]

AJ's best achievements are KA and MP elections to bring Uma to victory and Yeddi to victory. He is not a person who can easily meet common cadre and little elitistic (not wrong). He knows his limitations and works around and I think overall he is a good party man. Regarding Guj and his contribution, it is more from a legal help to Modi than from a election strategy. Modi used to have a raw-talk tendency to maut-ki-saudaghar type traps. He controlled Modi from becoming Bal Thakrey type talk and was instrumental in telling him not to get banned by Supreme Court due to utterances in that period of time.

[ramana]

NewsInsight's NV Subramanian quotes Shakepeare while writing about Modi

As King Henry VI says in the Shakespeare play,

‘What stronger breastplate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he armed that hath his quarrel just, And he but naked, though lock’d up in steel Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted.’

And about INC the last sentence applies.

[Vayutuvan]

there is only so much work you can get out of political workers on rum and biriyani and pocket change. dedicated work comes out of inspiration from charismatic leadership. here is where modi scores a lot...due to his personal image of clean, development oriented, decisive, etc etc etc..

he may not be a selfless mahatma...and i don't expect him to be one either. i expected him to show up, organize, help and in the process show how its done and get some mileage out of it. there is nothing wrong in that. he is an indian, right? what is this business of telling him where he can help and where he cannot (your irrelevant and wrong analogy of resident complexes)...

Very well put. Leaders have to be self-made - no amount of marketing and propaganda is going to do it if they do not have it in them. One has to be made of sterner stuff. Without that no amount of propaganda will work. Of course, it assumes that the system is efficient.

[harbans]

“Modi’s critics don’t appreciate that everyone woke up only two days after, but we got the advantage because we anticipated the calamity as soon as the news of cloud burst was reported. Also, I can say with authority that the Gujarat government has done everything with the help of the Uttarakhand government and through the state machinery of Uttarakhand. We refuse to criticise the state governmen

Bold statements with plenty character to boot! Well done NM..that statement shows you're a notch above and more than the rest that talk about the Nation.

[ramana]

That also means Uttar Khand govt saying no to other state govts is due to pressure from other quarters who are looking bad.

[ashashi]

Well, if you cannot ubstantiate your claims that Modi's Gujarat wins are a result of Arun Jaitely's masterful micromanagement, of the electioneering, let's move on.

O boy

Here
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/arun ... 29300.html

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... ajya-sabha

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1730417/r ... eparedness

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/g ... 221979.ece

and this is ONLY for 2012, and ONLY a small snippet of the available information (AJ has worked for 2004 and 2009 Guj elections too)

and oh you can read the wiki too, it wont bite

You are confusing roles of BJP office bearers.

Yes, AJ is an intellectual in the BJP alone with Jaswanth Singh and Arun Shourie.

For example, lets the the first link from India Today reads "Arun Jaitley meets Modi to chalk out Gujarat poll strategy" for the 2012 Gujarat Elections.

If the Arun Jaitley won the 2012 Gujarat elections with his micromanagement as you claim, he is also responsible for defeats in Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand defeats. Going a few years back, he should be responsible 2009 lok sabha defeat.

Jaitely cannot be a super genius in one state election and an incompetent idiot in a bunch of elections. Gujarat elections were strategized and implemented by Modi and Amit Shah. Similarly UP elections were strategized by Nitin Ghadkari. As a national office bearer who was given responsibility to oversee/coordinate, AJ met the state office bearers to review, advice and to report to the nation committees of BJP. Thats all his role was.

Remember Jaitley was the chairman of the election campaign committee in 2009, which means he had real responsibility and duties to see BJP wins the elections. He failed miserably in that role. There was NO grass root enthusiasm for BJP, even among the grass root cadres. There was no coherent message or any serious effort to win the election.

[ashashi]

He controlled Modi from becoming Bal Thakrey type talk and was instrumental in telling him not to get banned by Supreme Court due to utterances in that period of time.

We are talking 2012 elections, but Modi traded "hum panch, hamara pachees" type of rhetoric for development agenda several years even before 2007 elections.

[Muppalla]

We are talking 2012 elections, but Modi traded "hum panch, hamara pachees" type of rhetoric for development agenda several years even before 2007 elections.

2012 is the year of Modi and I don't think AJ's role is much in that election other than official role. AJ was very good election strategist and he had good results in the pre-2009 elections.