Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Jul 2013 02:58

Will be really difficult for NaMo to survive this onslaught, he will be silenced politically am pretty sure

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Jul 2013 06:03

suryag wrote:Will be really difficult for NaMo to survive this onslaught, he will be silenced politically am pretty sure

Loads of links above that provide insight on the flimsiness of the Ishrat Jahan case..Don't see how such a case with no merit can silence anyone - leave alone NaMo.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Jul 2013 06:42

The object is not to convict Modi. It is to confuse the yuppies and the moralists. So that they dont vote for him.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 01 Jul 2013 07:15

suryag wrote:Will be really difficult for NaMo to survive this onslaught, he will be silenced politically am pretty sure

It looks like the CBI effort is falling apart. See todays HT:
Flip-flops that always help Narendra Modi
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 84972.aspx

and todays TOI:
Home ministry’s stand that IB did its work in Ishrat case toughens CBI’s job
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 851757.cms

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Jul 2013 07:24

HM will never let down IB

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Jul 2013 07:44

IB has a number of skeletons on everyone, it could turn into a problem if HM lets it down and they start calibrated leaks to the press about these politicians. However, congies being congies can definitely do some magic

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Jul 2013 07:50

if Modi could have been silenced politically,he would have been silenced by now.

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 Jul 2013 08:07

gakakkadji, you are from Gujarat. I am trying to collect instances of "day to day" lives of ordinary Gujjus like paying electricity bills, property taxes etc. I have one instance., but if you know of other such., feel free to post it here. The point is that the very idea to not to worry about major corruption to get your work done is in itself a revolutionary idea in India.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Jul 2013 08:09

congi did this in haste and they are realizing the truth now, now they cant seems to go forward or backward on this

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Jul 2013 08:12

Win, win for Modi: Ishrat case turns into his advantage

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Jul 2013 08:13

Paragon of humility and humanity Shri Rahul Gandhi shouts back at aggrieved, protesting UKD victims. India simply can't wait to be ruled by such a benevolent soul...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Jul 2013 08:16

Arjun wrote:Win, win for Modi: Ishrat case turns into his advantage

From the 'story':

There seems to be no end to the unexpected — and, sometimes, even half-expected — twists and turns in the 2004 fake encounter of the Mumbai college student, Ishrat Jahan, and three others in Gujarat.

Why no qualifier, no 'alleged', no quote marks, nothing at all before declaring "fake encounter" in the above opening para of the (f)article? Almost like HT has decided the enounter's fake, sub-judice case etc be damned.

While the IB and the CBI, which is investigating the case, are busy keeping each other off their respective turfs, Gujarat CM Narendra Modi – arguably the man who is supposed to be hit hardest in the case – is turning the confusion into a political advantage for himself.

The latest move that could be exploited to the hilt by Modi is the union home ministry’s likely clean chit to IB special director Rajinder Kumar — reportedly close to Modi — who has been accused by the CBI of conspiring with the Gujarat police to kill Ishrat and the others.

More slimy insinuations all of which emerge later in the hit piece. aakthoo only.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Jul 2013 08:34

Hari Seldon wrote:More slimy insinuations all of which emerge later in the hit piece. aakthoo only.

Can't expect a tiger to change its stripes....Going-in assumption re HT is that any article on that rag is expected to be braindead, with very little by way of sense besides reflexively hitting out at Modi.

Once you have the expectations right - what is striking about this particular piece is that even they are not able to escape the elementary logic that Modi is likely to win from this whole affair.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 01 Jul 2013 08:54

Love the comments on that HT farticle though. People are seeing through the media-government BS.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 Jul 2013 09:20

Ishart 'chhote mote bomb blast karne ke liye aayi thi.."

Ajmal Kasab and Party "Hathiyaro ka test karne ke liye aayi thi " ?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Jul 2013 10:49

RSS tells BJP to get BSY back in fold

Former Karnataka chief minister and Lingayat strongman B.S. Yeddyurappa, who was earlier seen as a “liability” by the RSS and BJP for the state Assembly polls, is now being considered as an “asset” for the coming Lok Sabha polls. After it realised that Mr Yeddyurappa’s reinstatement in the saffron fold will not only boost the BJP’s poll prospects in the Lok Sabha polls but also snub the L.K. Advani camp, the RSS engaged its senior leaders to hold back-channel talks with the Lingayat strongman.

The BJP has already begun holding talks with its former leader. With an eye to the general election, the RSS, it is learnt, wants the BJP to either persuade Mr Yeddyurappa to merge his Karnataka Janata Paksha into the saffron fold or to at least have a pre-poll alliance.

Incidentally, it was the RSS that had literally disowned the former Karnataka chief minister after corruption allegations erupted against him.
The RSS had then asked the BJP not to give in to his “pressure tactics” to get reinstated after he was forced to resign as the chief minister of Karnataka.

Well, better late than never. No point having Yeddy eat into BJP voteshare in the LS polls as well. He wants a face-saving return, I think he should get one.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Jul 2013 11:10

The Hindu:

Ishrat case: CBI not to name IB special director Rajendra Kumar in chargesheet

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jul 2013 11:16

Put up today outside CBI HQ by Tejinder Pal Singh Bagga's Modi-fying India Group -

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jul 2013 11:52

India needs Modimard not Ardhnamardh.
Congress=Curse Of Nehru Gandhi Rat Elites Secular Snakes

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 Jul 2013 13:37

NaMo addressing CAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... mCNFWVOdBw

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 01 Jul 2013 14:13

LoL, which side to ackthoo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

Postal deptt. issues a new postage stamp of pappu, now people are confused which side to spit on.

James B · Post by **James B** » 01 Jul 2013 15:37

Manish_Sharma wrote:LoL, which side to ackthoo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

Postal deptt. issues a new postage stamp of pappu, now people are confused which side to spit on.

I think that postal stamp is fake.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Jul 2013 16:02

I think someone posted this joke

SONIA GANDHI during her speech told a story…
“There was a father who gave 100 rupees each to
his 3 sons and asked them to buy things and fill up
a room completely.
First son bought woods for Rs. 100 but couldn’t fill
the room entirely.
Second son bought cotton for Rs. 100 but couldn’t
fill the room entirely.
Third son bought a candle for Rs. 1 and lit it up and
the room was filled with light completely.”
Kapil Sibbal added “RAHUL GANDHI is like the third son, Since the day he has taken charge of his office, our country is filled
with the bright light of prosperity.”
Narendra Modi asked:
“Woh sab toh theek hai, but where are the remaining Rs. 99 ?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Jul 2013 16:14

16:10 In Delhi, Rahul looks at 2019, not 2014: Office bearers of the All India Congress Committee are believed to be losing faith in Rahul Gandhi after he failed to build confidence in the cadre. Four office bearers who had attended Rahul Gandhi's briefing at 24 Akbar Road recently, confided in Rediff.com that Rahul Gandhi does not seem confident of the Congress capturing power in Delhi.

And what gave this impression? Because, during his interaction, the Congress vice president kept repeating, "Let us work for 2019", because the party may or may not be in power in 2014.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Jul 2013 16:20

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/185496 ... rban-india

There are 147 urban settlements in this country with over three lakh people in each. Together, they account for 168 parliamentary constituencies. In short, this is the urban battleground where Congress performance was quite commendable in the 2009 general election. The party, in alliance with the Trinamool Congress, NCP and the DMK, won 92 of these city seats. Effectively, the UPA won over 54 per cent of the constituencies — a feat which, four years later, it doesn’t even dream of repeating. In fact, it is still groping for an urban political strategy.

So, what has gone wrong for the Congress in these densely populated warzones where a burgeoning middle class and an aspiring neo middle class (the term owes its origin to Narendra Modi) are disillusioned by the innumerable instances of corruption at the Centre? This population comprising even the relatively-impoverished slumdwellers have come to believe that never before has such a long procession of corruption accusations besieged a government ruling in Delhi. Worse, the government has looked meek and defenceless as charges pile up.

True, corruption at the Centre does not evoke the same political anger as price rise does. And this government has been callous when it comes to dealing with the economy. The prices of essential commodities have soared in the past four years with the government remaining a mute spectator and offering the insensitive explanation that inflation is a price one may have to pay for a high growth rate. The urban housewife has not accepted such reasoning without cursing the powers-that-be. She may not have always blamed the Centre for it but there is no escaping the fact that she is unhappy and is looking for political change.

Let us look at the situation in some of the metropolitan and other rapidly-growing cities in the country to understand the nature of the urban threat that the Congress faces. For example, corruption will matter as an issue in Delhi more than in any other urban centre. It’s closest to the seat of power and despite the stature of the state chief minister Sheila Dikshit, the Congress may have to suffer the loss of quite a few seats in the capital. Similarly, in Mumbai, the Shiv Sena-BJP combine and the MNS may together outperform the UPA.

In Bangalore, the Congress has only just returned to winning ways and that same trend may continue provided Modi does not successfully negotiate with the disgruntled Yeddyurappa and bring him back to the BJP fold. In Kolkata, the Congress has been reduced to a third force and will watch from a distance while the Left and the TMC battle it out. The DMK and AIADMK will take on each other in Chennai and the Congress will remain an outsider.

In Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Bhopal and Raipur, the BJP is leagues ahead.

In these past four years, the BJP has aligned its politics with the aspirations of the urban middle class. Its decision to project Narendra Modi as a top leader has also matched the yearning of the average Indian citizen for a “decisive” leadership. Modi has already adopted many of the urban tools to reach out to his largely-urban audience. He has mastered Twitter and relied on other technological innovations like three-dimensional holograms. Not that Modi has purposefully chosen this path after much deliberation. Gujarat is fast urbanising itself and Modi has needed to alter his style of politics to cope with the changes.

Quietly enough, without following the Ayodhya route, the BJP has also been able to instil a degree of nationalism in its urban politics. The new middle class is proud of its identity and an undercurrent of patriotic fervour mixed with a dose of cultural nationalism appeals to them. Along with it, the “development” successes of two of its key chief ministers — Modi in Gujarat and Shivraj Singh Chauhan in Madhya Pradesh — have created an aura of “good governance”. There is a growing belief in city centres that the likes of Modi can deliver.

In contrast, the Congress leadership has looked tired, almost exhausted and completely bereft of new ideas. Manmohan Singh in his second avatar as the executive head of UPA-2 has not been able to inspire confidence. The average city-dweller views Rahul Gandhi as a failed escapist. With many of its ministers caught in the web of corruption, the Congress has lacked that defining urban virtue — credibility. And it’s more than obvious the party has no clue about how to retain those crucial 92 city seats.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Jul 2013 17:12

Looks like this thread crossed a milestone with 10,000 posts - more than any other thread on BRF ! And this within a span of about 6 months...

If Modi were to start selling himself based on TRPs generated - he would be a dollar billionaire by now.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Jul 2013 17:31

Meenakshi Lekhi's quote of the day: "It is thousand times better to be a Rambo than be a Dumbo or a Scambo."

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Jul 2013 17:42

Hari Seldon wrote: Well, better late than never. No point having Yeddy eat into BJP voteshare in the LS polls as well. He wants a face-saving return, I think he should get one.

How about he officially join INC? After working towards bringing down BJP in KA, how can he ever be admitted. If he does get admitted, then shame on RSS, BJP, Modi...ityadi

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Jul 2013 17:55

disha wrote:gakakkadji, you are from Gujarat. I am trying to collect instances of "day to day" lives of ordinary Gujjus like paying electricity bills, property taxes etc. I have one instance., but if you know of other such., feel free to post it here. The point is that the very idea to not to worry about major corruption to get your work done is in itself a revolutionary idea in India.

As a supporter of Modi, I disagree with those kinds of statements, because other leaders have attempted at various levels and varying success. Modi's work is laudable and noteworthy - no denying. However, there have been other players. Chandra Babu Naidu made an effort in 1997:
http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1423/14230900.htm

Kothandan's statement raises the vital and sensitive issue of corruption. Chandrababu Naidu, who is aware that corruption, or more importantly, the public perception of corruption, can make or break a politician, says that he is trying his best to make his Government "transparent". Towards this end, he has launched a survey to obtain public opinion on the performance of various departments. A key question in the survey is about the corruption levels in various departments. About 100 people in each of the 1,100 mandals in the State participated in the survey. They were questioned about the levels of service in hospitals, police stations and power and water supply departments. This exercise is seen as a meaningful departure from the usual system of bureaucrats giving politicians a feedback on their own performance!

e-governace was one tool to increase transparency and reduce corruption. Numerous leaders/babus have worked hard - maybe baby steps. Whatever Modi is doing is great, but then let us give credit to others too. The energy that is in air these days, was pretty was there in the mid 90s in Hyderabad under CBN when he ushered in changes. I worked in a computer assembler/manufacturer company, and remember state government officials complaining/bragging about how they could not be late to work or laze around.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 Jul 2013 18:55

Why @mediacrooks been blocked?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Jul 2013 19:26

I am able to acces it.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 01 Jul 2013 19:41

James B wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:LoL, which side to ackthoo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

Postal deptt. issues a new postage stamp of pappu, now people are confused which side to spit on.
I think that postal stamp is fake.

now you can pay money and have a postal stamp issued with your face on it. and with so many boot lickers in con party, one should not be surprised if ever this stamp comes in to circulation.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Jul 2013 19:46

CBI not to name Modi or Shah in Ishrat Jahan encounter case. Psy-ops exercise by Congress which was also meant to gauge public opinion. IMO, Congress will lean on Jihadis or Naxalites to get rid of him. I pray for Modi's safety.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jul 2013 19:53

SwamyG wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote: Well, better late than never. No point having Yeddy eat into BJP voteshare in the LS polls as well. He wants a face-saving return, I think he should get one.
How about he officially join INC? After working towards bringing down BJP in KA, how can he ever be admitted. If he does get admitted, then shame on RSS, BJP, Modi...ityadi

BSY offered to join the INC before the elections in Karnataka. He was refused and told to create his own party and help defeat the BJP. Now that he has doneit, its foolish for BJP to keep him outside after all the stalwarts who took extra effort to put BSY in trouble are themselves in jeopardy. Moprever INC has a long tradition of taking back their 'rebels'. Started with JLN and his Congress Socialist Party in pre Independence India.
Sharad Pawar found it better to stay out and fleece them for his 'support'.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Jul 2013 19:54

Team Modi for 2014

According to sources in Delhi, Chairman of Bharatiya Janata Party’s Campaign Committee Shri Narendra Modi in consultation with the party has finalized the names of members of Campaign committee. The team according to sources is like this:

Narendra Modi(Chairman),
Amit Shah,
Varun Gandhi,
Rajiv Pratap Ruddy,
Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi,
Dharmendra Pradhan,
Sudhanshu Mittal,
Murlidhar Rao,
Ramlalji

Political pundits in their quick analysis describe the team this way:Sudhanshu Mittal is Rajnath loyalist, Amit Shah is Modi loyalist, Varun Gandhi and Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi represent UP, Rajiv Pratap Ruddy Bihar, Dharmendra Pradhan is from Orissa, Murlidhar Rao and Ramlal belong to RSS. Quite young team.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Jul 2013 21:06

ramana wrote: BSY offered to join the INC before the elections in Karnataka. He was refused and told to create his own party and help defeat the BJP. Now that he has doneit, its foolish for BJP to keep him outside after all the stalwarts who took extra effort to put BSY in trouble are themselves in jeopardy. Moprever INC has a long tradition of taking back their 'rebels'. Started with JLN and his Congress Socialist Party in pre Independence India.
Sharad Pawar found it better to stay out and fleece them for his 'support'.

BSY should be admitted only if he is "clean", he should not be admitted because Advani forced him out. Modi or BJP should not admit BSY because he is enemy of Advani. And enemy's enemy is my friend is not that Modi should adopt now. Modi has a clean image with good administrative abilities, sterling national vision in terms of culture and politics. His support among youth, urban population is steadily climbing. And they like him for his ideas, his vision, his accomplishments ityadi. As day go by, there will be more people with greater integrity/clarity joining him. It is not time to stop and taken on people like BSY because of casteist equations, blatantly at least.

Parties routinely take in people who have dissed them, leaders happily bring in opposition party members in spite of all the venomous activities. Recently Jayalalithaa took in members - one from DMK and one from PMK. They are both Dalit leaders and in the past were against JJ, now they are all friends.

In politics, there are no friends and enemies ought to change. If BSY wants to prove him self, let him go through some Agnipariksha. After all Rama made Sita go through it. Let BSY clear his name, let him fight on his own and then ally with BJP as an outsider for a period of 2-3 years.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jul 2013 21:32

Fence siters always wait every minute 24 x 7 to explore "how to blame BJP?". I would love to hear "shame shame puppy shame" more but definitely wish BJP goes after raproachment with Yeddi, Reddy bros, Sriramlu and definitely Babular Marandi before LS polls.

munna · Post by **munna** » 01 Jul 2013 21:38

Muppalla wrote:Fence siters always wait every minute 24 x 7 to explore "how to blame BJP?". I would like here "shame shame puppy shame" more but definitely wish BJP goes after raproachment with Yeddi, Reddy bros, Sriramlu and definitely Babular Marandi before LS polls.

True that! BJP should not be bound to or held by a code of conduct that its adversaries have no respect for.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Jul 2013 22:01

>> BJP should not be bound to or held by a code of conduct that its adversaries have no respect for.

Instead of thinking about adversaries, how about considering what the people expect from BJP? If* BSY is corrupt, why should he be back?

* If he is not corrupt, of course he should be welcomed to BJP.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jul 2013 22:01

A famous American socialite wore a fabulous string of pearls. Her jealous competitor asked "Are they real? One can tell if they are real by biting them." So the socialite said"How are you going to bite them with false teeth?"

Similarly in a sold out system controlled by INC(false teeth) and fellow travellers how to determine if who is innocent or not?