Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Jul 2013 11:59

Mahendra Ji, i am thinking 300-350 plus maybe for NM led BJP. The INC and MSM is getting more irrational by the hour and folks are seeing through the charade..this country is called Hindustan for a millenia at least. Does that mean Hindustan is for HIndu's only. Similarly it implies Hindu Nationalism is not just for Hindu's. Also it was clear NM was equating Patriot with Nationalist. Now they claim Rs 5 is his worth..this is for Uttarkhand Relief and this is not about money but compassion for suffering elsewhere. INC spokesmen are appearing sly and cunning by the day, and people are observing.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 12:29

New ticket controversy. I am loving this

. This election campaign is by far the best in the Indian history. Cong and the paid media are doing loads of favour. What entertainment !

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 16 Jul 2013 12:37

Mahendra wrote:A maid who sleeps half hungry would surely be miffed that the gobermint is more concerned about minorities and secularism than people like her innit?
Surely she would identify with someone who comes from a humble background who promises to make life better for everyone innit?

The maid, who sleeps half hungry, forgets to be miffed when it comes time to collect her 500 rupaiyas just before going out to vote for the same government that will make her sleep half hungry when her 500 rupaiyas are over.

These people live day to day and never care for the future, that's why they are where they are and will continue to be there.

Most people have no idea what rampant inflation has done to the poor people, it has completely screwed them over, even after that I won't be in the least bit surprised if they vote in the Congress again. Have seen this in MH post 26/11 and in KA just a few months back.

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 16 Jul 2013 13:11

Anyone know how to register to get tickets for Narendra Modi's Hyderababd Hyderabad speech?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 13:17

^ bravo, gracias. we can take this to somewhere else but please dont lecture philanthropy when you dont even know other person and what he does in his life. My point was, there is no free lunch and I will never encourage that habit in poors. It is no better than treating them as beggers and for us an easy escape from the social responsibility.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 16 Jul 2013 13:21

Ramesh Srivats ‏@rameshsrivats 57m

India pays.
For Modi's speech.
And for Manmohan's silence.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 13:29

I personally didnt like this idea of collecting 5 Rs. Dangerous precedence, I think.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 16 Jul 2013 13:32

Can someone post the official link of Rs.5 entry fee for NM rally? I understood that the collected money would be used for UK relief. Cannot trust media because they are running crazy stories about this.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 16 Jul 2013 13:42

Suyash A Godbole July 14, 2013
Iam toatly speechless.The sppech in pune @bj medical college was just amazing many yoth have attended the programme felt where great,After seeing all the youth following shri narendra ji modi.Many people were standing outside the ground, bj medical college ground was fully pack naerly 80 to 90 thousand people attended to hear only the words of shri narendraji modi it was a great experince got many things to learn. TANKS NARENDRA JI.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2013 14:09

^^ Dunno but the ferguson college crowd I saw in the youtube vid was small because the hall itself was small - more like a school's annual day function type. NM should aim to reach at least 1000s in each speech now on. <360 days to go. Even 2 speeches per week barely gets to 100 speeches, no?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 14:25

^ the ground outside was packed. 50k possible.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 16 Jul 2013 14:54

prahaar wrote:Can someone post the official link of Rs.5 entry fee for NM rally? I understood that the collected money would be used for UK relief. Cannot trust media because they are running crazy stories about this.

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G Kishan Reddy, MLA ‏@kishanreddybjp 15 Jul

As said by some friends on social media, Rs. 5 is not any "Ticket" money. It is meant for flood relief. Media, please take note of this.
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G Kishan Reddy, MLA ‏@kishanreddybjp 15 Jul

Dear @Iamtssudhir garu, the amount thus collected will be given to the relief of the victims of Uttarakhand floods.
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G Kishan Reddy, MLA ‏@kishanreddybjp 15 Jul

All participants of the meetings will pay Rs. 5 as a token amount, which will go to the relief of recent Uttarakhand tragedy victims.
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G Kishan Reddy, MLA ‏@kishanreddybjp 15 Jul

Sri @narendramodi will address a youth meeting on 11th August at 2 PM at LB Stadium, Hyderabad.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Jul 2013 14:58

IB has not protested seriously over Rajesdra Kumar. Had they threatened to go public or put down their papers the attacks on Rajendra Singh would have stopped. But they did not and this clearly shows there is a plan in this madness.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 16 Jul 2013 15:15

^ I was thinking about this too. The 'token' protest by Ibrahmi smells foul. I hope I'm wrong though and there is more than meets the eye here.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 16 Jul 2013 16:13

very sure it was his idea....5 rupees isnt much for most of those who will be attending , i think even 10 rupees is not much

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2013 16:30

Uh-oh. So like CBI, IB too has sold out? And all that protest drama was scripted so that if and when the next attack comes, everyone can claim innocence? Plausible. And despicable.

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Jul 2013 17:14

Hari Seldon wrote:Uh-oh. So like CBI, IB too has sold out? And all that protest drama was scripted so that if and when the next attack comes, everyone can claim innocence? Plausible. And despicable.

IB is the sword arm of the INC ( or any GoI) and so can be expected to be fully sold out!

Anyways, the upright,nationalist folks within are being purged one by one starting with Rajinder Kumar,it seems ( the WEEK says he was a expert on homegrown jihadis and was "anti-TSP" as if that is a bad thing)

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Jul 2013 17:19

Chandragupta wrote:^ I was thinking about this too. The 'token' protest by Ibrahmi smells foul. I hope I'm wrong though and there is more than meets the eye here.

As per reports Ibrahim has put his strong protest in writing not once but twice. Maybe he has done everything he can short of resigning.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Jul 2013 17:20

Chitra Subramaniam on the recently demised Quattrochi -

It is because of who Q was that George Fernandes, India’s Minister of Defence during the NDA regime, told me that he had been told by National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra “not to touch the Bofors file” – because of instructions from former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and deputy Prime Minister LK Advani. It is no secret that Vaypayee and Advani were very accommodating about Q and his friends in New Delhi. How else can one explain why the NDA government, in power from 1998 to 2004, couldn’t arrest Q?

http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/07/the- ... avy-train/

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 16 Jul 2013 18:09

abhijitm wrote:
SwamyG wrote:BJP on principle should not have to go for any specific group - be it Mulisms, Christians, Hindus ityadi - let alone Dalits. Modi has several items in his vision that benefits all citizens. So as far as winning elections go, BJP has to point out how that vision will benefit all sections of people. And this needs to be hammered down the throats and minds. Focusing on Dalits is === to appeasement of Muslims.
This vision etc goes well into your mind when you have something to eat and some time to think. Try to lecture a bunch of hungry discriminated dalits on vision and imagine what reaction you will get. This ignorance is one of the major reason why BJP lost in 2004. You give vision to college students and middle class, but you must promise 'do wakht ki roti' and 'aatmasanmaan' (food and dignity) to poors, there your 'vision' will not be even comprehended. khali pet dimagh nahi chalata hai. Lets try and experiment selling 'vision' to our maids, kamwali bai living in urban city and if successful we can then think of how it can be sold to the poors and dalits in villages, towns.

Boss, nobody is saying give them just vision. I m saying BJP does not have to appease Dalits for votes. Dalits should be considered just like any other citizen and voter. You missed my point of benefits from the vision. That is all one can do in election - offer hope, vision and promises. Unless you are thinking of paying them for,votes.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2013 18:59

PB Mehta must've come under sustained pressure after his "while we were silent piece".

And since he is no Narendra Modi, he cr(o)acks under pressure and rushes to make amends by writing this piece next:

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/republi ... ess/29882/

Sample some stuff:

The answer the BJP is giving to what comes after Hindutva is plain and simple: a brazenness and encouragement of thuggishness, pure and simple. Think of the pattern: the BJP has openly declared war on every institution — from the judiciary to the Election Commission. Its hate rhetoric is subtly being heightened (after all, Kausar Bi was associated with one of “them”), and the public culture in states it governs is being destroyed. Now it does not even have the minimal elements of an ideology to fill the vacuum. Its stance on OBC reservations for instance is, given its ideological commitments, inexplicable. But this confusion is symptomatic of a deeper malaise: all lines between right and might have now been blurred. But why blame the BJP alone?

Notice the twisting and turning. Only the BJP is named in the piece, never the INC. Further, to seem above mere partisanship, PBM blames "the political class" rather than the ruling party upon whom max blame falls (crassly imitating CNN-IBN at its worst after 26/11.)

Its on how terrible the Guj encounters were. Worthwhile read in that there is some genuine criticism in there. However, these gentlemanly arguments have lost their lustre. In the fog of war (and it is war the C-system is waging) truth is first casuality.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2013 19:06

Burqa of secularism... osted w/o kament only.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 16 Jul 2013 19:10

Hari Seldon wrote:
The answer the BJP is giving to what comes after Hindutva is plain and simple: a brazenness and encouragement of thuggishness, pure and simple. Think of the pattern: the BJP has openly declared war on every institution — from the judiciary to the Election Commission. Its hate rhetoric is subtly being heightened (after all, Kausar Bi was associated with one of “them”), and the public culture in states it governs is being destroyed. Now it does not even have the minimal elements of an ideology to fill the vacuum. Its stance on OBC reservations for instance is, given its ideological commitments, inexplicable. But this confusion is symptomatic of a deeper malaise: all lines between right and might have now been blurred. But why blame the BJP alone?

Sad that PB Mehta had to descend to such depths after the last article....

All he has to go by in this article is a handful of encounter deaths of known terrorists and criminals. What is this 'declaring war on the Judiciary and Election Commission' business? He's not even had the intellectual decency to explain that particular sentence.

He seems to have truly lost it out here in trying to do an equal-equal.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 19:37

SwamyG wrote:I m saying BJP does not have to appease Dalits for votes. Dalits should be considered just like any other citizen and voter. You missed my point of benefits from the vision. That is all one can do in election - offer hope, vision and promises. Unless you are thinking of paying them for,votes.

No I did not miss your point. Why should BJP consider Dalits just like any other citizen when the society does not consider them just like any other citizen? Unless BJP does not care about Dalit votes. If they don't then why this?
BJP tries to harness dalit force with sops, grand feast

Keen to win the assembly polls later this year, the BJP known to have a strong base among the upper castes tried to woo the marginalized communities on Sunday. At a grand feast organized at Burari in north Delhi, the BJP celebrated the Ambedkar Jayanti, with its senior leaders president Rajnath Singh; the leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha, Sushma Swaraj; and Delhi unit chief Vijay Goel sharing food with members of the dalit community.

No matter how lame BJP is trying to woo Dalits, they must continue but with a concrete plan of their development. Today Dalits do not consider BJP as their representative. This picture must be changed. God, we are talking about a population more than 150 million here. You just cannot give up on those votes.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 16 Jul 2013 19:40

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 16 Jul 2013 20:46

I think BJP should clearly state that they are for the upliftment of the poor, not dalits. If the poor happen to be dalits, then fine. But the essential message and focus should be on the poor. NaMo has already stated this. I'm not sure if this is declared as his stated policy. He has mentioned everybody's development. I would prefer the statement to be modified to something like "Everyone's development, with special focus on the poor, regardless of caste, community/religion, north-south-east-west". BJP, as a party, should declare this. We all have heard and know of NaMo's message. But is it the same as BJP's ( party ) message?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 16 Jul 2013 20:53

Hari Seldon wrote:PB Mehta must've come under sustained pressure after his "while we were silent piece".

And since he is no Narendra Modi, he cr(o)acks under pressure and rushes to make amends by writing this piece next:

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/republi ... ess/29882/

HS ji, some relief here....just noticed this is actually an old 2007 article.

For a while there I thought PBM had succumbed to the old Indian disease of 'equal-equalitis'.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 21:08

vnmshyam wrote:I think BJP should clearly state that they are for the upliftment of the poor, not dalits. If the poor happen to be dalits, then fine. But the essential message and focus should be on the poor. NaMo has already stated this. I'm not sure if this is declared as his stated policy. He has mentioned everybody's development. I would prefer the statement to be modified to something like "Everyone's development, with special focus on the poor, regardless of caste, community/religion, north-south-east-west". BJP, as a party, should declare this. We all have heard and know of NaMo's message. But is it the same as BJP's ( party ) message?

We are hearing the same argument for over two decades now and we know Dalits are not buying. BJP needs to accept the fact, change and put forward another solution...if only they value Dalit votes and the existing BJP supports too value the support of Dalits, if they want to rule the country.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 21:17

Alright I just checked 2011 census, Dalit population in India stands mammoth 200 million.

So almost all adults among 200 million Dalits + 180 million Muslim = 380 million are written off votes?? This is where JD(U) break off will hit BJP hard in 2014 election. Some consolation as RPI has joined alliance with BJP and Shiv Sena in Maharashtra. UP picture appears gloomy.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Jul 2013 21:29

Pranav wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:^ I was thinking about this too. The 'token' protest by Ibrahmi smells foul. I hope I'm wrong though and there is more than meets the eye here.
As per reports Ibrahim has put his strong protest in writing not once but twice. Maybe he has done everything he can short of resigning.

Like the oil minister complaining about import lobby. Short of resigning he has done all. Next step perhaps is going to press, who knows.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 16 Jul 2013 21:45

abhijitm wrote:Alright I just checked 2011 census, Dalit population in India stands mammoth 200 million.

So almost all adults among 200 million Dalits + 180 million Muslim = 380 million are written off votes?? This is where JD(U) break off will hit BJP hard in 2014 election. Some consolation as RPI has joined alliance with BJP and Shiv Sena in Maharashtra. UP picture appears gloomy.

Does the appealing to Dalits specifically go against what Modi stands for? If Dalits can not vote for Modi then they should just accept the situation they find themselves in.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Jul 2013 21:54

panduranghari wrote:Does the appealing to Dalits specifically go against what Modi stands for? If Dalits can not vote for Modi then they should just accept the situation they find themselves in.

Should be more like the situation BJP will find themselves in. I think the current gen of BJP leaders understand the dynamics but I believe they are afraid of losing the existing support of upper caste Hindu nationalists. Somewhere somebody needs to compromise, otherwise BJP situation will be just like Blackberry.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jul 2013 22:21

Justice Arnab got taste of his own medicine from Smiriti Irani . Watch initial five minutes.

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Fact-vers ... 432134.cms

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 16 Jul 2013 22:22

abhijitm wrote:
panduranghari wrote:Does the appealing to Dalits specifically go against what Modi stands for? If Dalits can not vote for Modi then they should just accept the situation they find themselves in.
Should be more like the situation BJP will find themselves in.

Lets not muddy the waters.

BJP stands for something and until Modi took over the expression of BJP was kind of a bit subdued (RSS/HMS distinction- read Atri ji post on his blog). Modi is changing some equations. If Dalits cannot see this change, then there is something wrong with the glasses they are wearing.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 16 Jul 2013 22:23

sum wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Uh-oh. So like CBI, IB too has sold out? And all that protest drama was scripted so that if and when the next attack comes, everyone can claim innocence? Plausible. And despicable.
IB is the sword arm of the INC ( or any GoI) and so can be expected to be fully sold out!

Anyways, the upright,nationalist folks within are being purged one by one starting with Rajinder Kumar,it seems ( the WEEK says he was a expert on homegrown jihadis and was "anti-TSP" as if that is a bad thing)

IB boss Ibrahim is himself an expert on jihadis and credited with some of the major ops against SIMI.

re political connections, the person to watch is harmeet singh.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 16 Jul 2013 22:30

Those who have followed PB Mehta over the last two decades should know he is pro-INC, anti-Hindutva.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Jul 2013 22:45

Supratik wrote:Those who have followed PB Mehta over the last two decades should know he is pro-INC, anti-Hindutva.

Yes but he has matured quite a bit since then.

[youtube]9Ikxgynt1rs&list=PL78205183071246D7[/youtube]

Atish · Post by **Atish** » 16 Jul 2013 22:52

Supratik wrote:Those who have followed PB Mehta over the last two decades should know he is pro-INC, anti-Hindutva.

Anti Hindutva yes, Pro Cong, That would be harsh on PBM

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jul 2013 23:32

Let us see if he can convince UP BJP leaders regarding giving up position in the interest of higher cause

Modi mantras to Odisha BJP

Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi today met Odisha BJP state executive members at Mayfair hotel here. As per the PTI report, Modi asked partymen following major points:

-Who will lead the party after elections is not important for us at this stage. Now our priority should be to ensure return of BJP to power.Work hard to defeat the Congress and do not indulge in such things (projecting the PM candidate).

-Prepare chargesheets against the Congress and the ruling BJD in Odisha. Ensure that the charges against rival parties reach the people living in villages.

-At least 10,000 mobile phones of each assembly segments should be regularly fed with BJP’s ideologies and “inefficiencies’ of the Congress.

-Develop public relations with people living in villages and use social media like Facebook and Twitter. We are passing through the age of technology. People in villages also now use mobiles and other means of communications.

-Identify leaders from different castes and give them positions in the party. Caste leaders hold votes which are required for any party for elections. If necessary, give up your positions to accommodate caste leaders.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/07/16/modi- ... disha-bjp/

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jul 2013 23:46

Narendra Modi in Hyderabad

Register and listen him at LBS stadium Hyderabad.

http://www.modifyap.in/