Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Jul 2013 09:00

My 2 paise on the SSC poster controversy...

1. INC prints BJP posters in its own presses and plasters them over a few Bhopal walls
2. Then invites the (rrr)NDTV types to witness the amazing schism in the BJP and do their flatu-dance around it.
3. The resulting stink is broad(way)cast around the nation with hyperventilating gasps and whuddathunkits...
4. leading to muchlamentation etc on BJP fora...

The part 4 is muted these days coz its a cas of trying shaktis (indra-derived or o/w) once too often...IMHO onlee of course...

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 23 Jul 2013 09:23

Sushupti wrote:What is the conclusion, on this forum, about poster controversy in MP?. Was it deliberate on the part of SSC or just an inadvertent error?

Apart from the rivalry angle there is also the possibility that SSC is trying to pander to the "secular" vote in trying to keep NaMo out of pool publicity material. Anyways saw a BJP poster near my place with only one national leaders picture. Not ABV not LKA not Rajnath Singh, just NaMo. No controversy here.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 23 Jul 2013 09:38

abhik wrote:Anyways saw a BJP poster near my place

Where saar? MP?

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 23 Jul 2013 09:49

^^^
Naah.. In ITvity city onlee. Just saying that there is no confusion (at least here)as to who the boss is. He may be the king of his domain but is nothing outside.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Jul 2013 10:22

Poor BJP, not having overflowing war chests like the INC does... its having to make do with plenty of innovation and jugaad onlee...

BJP's Yuva Mitra Abiyan for UP - Hire 1,000 new members, get honoured by Modi

The BJP's youth wing is launching a special membership drive in Uttar Pradesh from Tuesday, and some 'political incentive' is on offer for those cadres adding a good number of members to the outfit.

Those Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha (BJYM) members who make 1,000 or more new members will be honoured by Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who will lead the BJP's campaign in the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections.

Adding members between 1,000 and 500 will be rewarded with a one-on-one meeting with BJYM national president Anurag Thakur.

The special membership drive would be called "Yuva Mitra Abhiyan".

Well.... hope it generates good buzz, good will and all... reaches out to the new and first time voters, cuts across caste lines etc etc.

Ashutosh Rai, state president of the BJYM, said the first phase of the special membership drive will start on July 23 and conclude on August 15.

"Our target is to associate the youths between the age of 18 and 35 years with the Morcha. Our members will meet young engineers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, MGNREGA and Anganwadi workers and narrate them the vision of the BJP and Modi," said Rai.

"Those who make more than 1,000 new members would be honoured by Modi and those who make more than 500 workers would be able to hold a personal meeting with Thakur. This is going to encourage our members to achieve the target of making 20 lakh new members in the state," said Rai.

disha · Post by **disha** » 23 Jul 2013 10:36

NiKu is fuelling wild conspiracy theories on the horrible death of Children in Bihar. He is now fuelling a CT where BJP+RJD conspired against him and committed this atrocity.

NiKu has gone delusional and now bordering insane. What was a terrible tragedy because of callous disregard has now been turned into political football fuelled by CT. With this NiKu may end up losing whatever he gained! And funny thing is Congress is in a piquant to be seen supporting NiKu and now Congress has gone into total radio silence.

What a falldown for Niku, an example of what a man ends up when fuelled by envy.

Here is the URL http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-r ... r/1145245/

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 23 Jul 2013 11:04

aditi restaurant case in mumbai getting lot of publicity on twitter. mOI thinks primary focus is to wrest mumbai/pune from Kong and secondary is UP.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 23 Jul 2013 11:10

Arvin, link please?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Jul 2013 11:18

disha wrote:NiKu has gone delusional and now bordering insane. What was a terrible tragedy because of callous disregard has now been turned into political football fuelled by CT. With this NiKu may end up losing whatever he gained! And funny thing is Congress is in a piquant to be seen supporting NiKu and now Congress has gone into total radio silence.

What a falldown for Niku, an example of what a man ends up when fuelled by envy.

+1

I think NiKu badly miscalculated, he was caught off guard being too sure of his position, and is now paying for it.

It was extra ordinarily suicidal and foolish for him to ditch BJP, that too on grounds and the way it was done. Even his caste folks in Bihar are like "wtf". The loss in Maharajgang due to BJP basically asking him to eff off, (due to his misbehavior with Kriti Azad a few days before) -- seems to have hurt him to a level where he behaved exceedingly idiotically.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 23 Jul 2013 11:24

BhairavP wrote:Arvin, link please?

Search for #AditiRestaurant on twitter.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 Jul 2013 12:07

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 23 Jul 2013 12:26

Neela wrote:

Pranav wrote:^^^ Yeah, that is being heavily promoted on twitter by Tajinder Bagga & Co. He has taken it from some wordpress blog whose authenticity is unknown.

How typical. When Shakeel Ahmed blames Guj 2002 for rise of IM, Congress distances itself from him. What you see above is similar. Remember, there has been no denial from AAP for this. And in twitter he was lampooned.
Know this - Chorjriwal surfed on Anna's wave and with that gone, he is sinking like a stone. This is an desperate act.
This is consistent with their behaviour..

This leaves very little room for foks here to come and preach about national interests. And so the focus shifts on BJP in-fighting. Not very subtle. Folks in the know, know!

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 23 Jul 2013 12:50

krishnan wrote:

Interesting incident, this Aditi Hotel todfod in Parel. This area is stronghold of Shivsena. Congis would not dared to do anything like this in Parel, if BT were around. The Shivsena MLA from Parel and leader od opposition Ramdas Kadam in MH vidhan sabha, was in news couple of months ago for revolting against UT. He was almost on he verge of joining NCP when UT prempted and stalled it. Resulted in bad PR for party but split was saved.

What this tells me is that Ramdas Kadam is deep in negotiations with NCP or INC. This also tells me that like Dadar, even Parel will be lost in coming elections.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Jul 2013 13:05

More filler-items on a slow news day from india today featuring who else but the 'M' word...

Love it, hate it, but you won't be able to ignore it - Narendra Modi drives content on social media

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 95824.html

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Jul 2013 13:21

While con race youth members don't mind taking orders from high command in Delhi that has not stopped them to advice the owner of veg restaurant to avail of taking legal procedures and not indulge in talking of price rise during UPA tenure.

Not talking of price rise is what mister Amartya Sen can be not seem to talk of. That owner isn't mister Amartya Sen now.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 23 Jul 2013 13:36

After Congress workers shut down restaurant, Narendra Modi tweets "intolerance"

The trouble began over bill receipts with this cheeky message: "As per UPA government, eating money (2G, Coal, CWG scam) is a necessity and eating food in an AC restaurant is a luxury."

The owner, Srinivas Shetty, reportedly upset at the service tax imposed on air-conditioned restaurants, had started using these bills since March.

But some Congress youth workers who happened to eat at the restaurant failed to see the humour.

On Monday afternoon, Congress youth workers led by their Mumbai unit president allegedly stormed the restaurant and asked the owner to shut shop, claiming it was an order from the party headquarters in Delhi. They also filed a complaint with the police.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 23 Jul 2013 14:07

Here is the bill!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 23 Jul 2013 14:48

Atri wrote: Interesting incident, this Aditi Hotel todfod in Parel. This area is stronghold of Shivsena. Congis would not dared to do anything like this in Parel, if BT were around. The Shivsena MLA from Parel and leader od opposition Ramdas Kadam in MH vidhan sabha, was in news couple of months ago for revolting against UT. He was almost on he verge of joining NCP when UT prempted and stalled it. Resulted in bad PR for party but split was saved.

What this tells me is that Ramdas Kadam is deep in negotiations with NCP or INC. This also tells me that like Dadar, even Parel will be lost in coming elections.

That would be a massive self goal by Marathi Manoos.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Jul 2013 16:28

Can it get more ludicrous than this? Indian commie MPs advising a foreign country not to give visa to their fellow countryman who happens to be its most popular politician and against whom the courts have found zilch: MPs write to Obama against visa for Modi

Glad Modi is provoking full and frontal display of Indian retardedness in all its glory.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 Jul 2013 16:32

why are they so eager to get a US visa for him??? He plans to goto US ??

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 23 Jul 2013 16:41

^^
It is unfortunate that even BJP cares so much about approval from the white man (US).

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Jul 2013 16:45

Its actually a good move from the BJP. Just like the Dynasty uses Ram Sene retards to polarize opinion against the BJP, the BJP can use these morons to counter-polarize.

If the US does give a visa - that can also be trumpeted. Its a win-win for Modi.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Jul 2013 16:58

Arjun wrote:Can it get more ludicrous than this? Indian commie MPs advising a foreign country not to give visa to their fellow countryman who happens to be its most popular politician and against whom the courts have found zilch: MPs write to Obama against visa for Modi

Glad Modi is provoking full and frontal display of Indian retardedness in all its glory.

The plot thickens

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/india ... 130723.htm

The signatories to the letters include Sitaram Yechury of CPM and M P Achuthan of CPI, both Rajya Sabha members.

When contacted Yechury expressed surprise saying he had not signed any such letter. It appeared to be a cut and paste job, he said. "I would be the last person to write to the US Administration and to do something like this. We don't want anyone to interfere in the internal affairs of the country. These are issues which will have to be settled in India politically," Yechury said.

Some one is really wasting their energy. Good good.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Jul 2013 17:08

Sanku wrote:Some one is really wasting their energy. Good good.

For Carrot and Yechuri writing such a letter would be blashphemy. Commies, the champions of the poor who ignores America the imperialist & capitalist, actually drafting a letter *requesting* her to deny VISA for Modi? EMS Namboodirippad and Chairman Mao would haunt the dreams of Carrot and Yechuri for ever (plus the confused commie cadre indulging in a few rounds of arson and riots as well).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Jul 2013 18:55

perfect example of forcing people to waste their energy and display pavlovian and ridiculous response.

all it took was one casual remark by rajnath singh which cost 0.

I like this.
However, Adeeb insisted that Yechury and Achthan had signed the letter and was surprised why they were retracting now.

a contest of tu tu mai mai about who is more sikular.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Jul 2013 19:04

jagga wrote:Here is the bill!

http://im.rediff.com/news/2013/jul/23live-bill.jpg

the bill is fine, but not the message. i think, the restaurant as attracted teh attention of upa gov rather just gov. this is a direct message and name calling. imho, wrong approach. /sorry to say this.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 23 Jul 2013 19:10

^^

The government can file suit in a court of law if it feels it was being defamed. Unless all those government workers attacking the restaurant have been arrested, it is fair to say this is a case of state sponsored terror.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 23 Jul 2013 19:11

I thought India was a democracy where you had at minimum right to dissent!!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Jul 2013 19:14

lesson: one should not live in one's thought alone. btw right to dissent is different from right to challenge. if that is so (need to challenge), then courts are the premise and not restaurants.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 23 Jul 2013 19:16

If this is the level of freedom the state provides in a Metro for a well-to-do AC Restaurant in full media glare, it is foolish to expect people in isolated villages to vote out non-performing parties in power.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Jul 2013 19:43

SaiK wrote:lesson: one should not live in one's thought alone. btw right to dissent is different from right to challenge. if that is so (need to challenge), then courts are the premise and not restaurants.

As long as the restaurant did not do anything illegal (which it obviously did not) - the UPA has absolutely no right to resort to intimidation and thuggery.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Jul 2013 19:46

prahaar, how you want your freedom? the message on the bill can't be settled in restaurants. protest is must. but the means and language are important part of responsibilities in freedom.

if we have problems in our court system, then there must be protest there.. example, see how people reacted nirbhaya rape incident at delhi. that is protest.

yes.. thuggery is wrong. that needs to be contended at court. the response to that message by police is wrong as well.

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 Jul 2013 19:53

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 276114.cms

WASHINGTON: As BJP president Rajnath Singh is here batting for visa for Narendra Modi, 65 Members of Parliament have written letters to President Barack Obama, urging the US administration to maintain the current policy of denying visa to him.

"We wish to respectfully urge you to maintain the current policy of denying Mr Modi a visa to the United States," the MPs belonging to 12 parties have said in identical letters to Obama.

One letter was signed by 25 Rajya Sabha members and the other by 40 Lok Sabha members written on November 26 and December 5, 2012 respectively and re-faxed to the White House on Sunday.

Copies of the letters were provided by the Indian American Muslim Council (IAMC) as Rajnath Singh, reached Washington to meet US lawmakers, thinktanks and US government officials during which he said he will urge the Americans to lift the ban on visa for Modi.

Mohammed Adeeb, Independent MP from Rajya Sabha, who took the initiative for this campaign, said they sent these letters to Obama again because of the current campaign and initiative being taken by Rajnath Singh for getting a US visa for Modi. The letters were being made public only now, he added.

Rajnath Singh told a press conference in New York on Sunday that he would appeal to the US lawmakers to impress on the Administration to remove the visa ban on Modi imposed after the 2002 post-Godhra riots. The denial came on grounds of human rights violations in Gujarat with Modi as chief minister.

The signatories to the letters include Sitaram Yechury of CPM and M P Achuthan of CPI, both Rajya Sabha members.

What?!

Have we become Pakistan or what?

Rajnath Singh: why hold a press conf in US or anywhere else urging US govt to remove visa ban?
65 MPs: Why send the letter to US govt?
Commies: America is suddenly kosher, eh?

Next step would be to file a case in the ICJ against Modi and fight it out there I guess.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Jul 2013 19:57

The way con race has gone after NaMo from Gujarat state is an example of 'freedom of speech'. It has taken decade of court cases to get accusations off his shoulders and still other accusations are going on. On the other hand con race does not mind instant justice when anyone criticize inflation during UPA regime.

The onus is on con race to go to courts and not be violent and harm interests of owner of restaurant with some kind of instant justice.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Jul 2013 20:02

actually are not understanding the strengthening part for modi, from all this activities by kangrez folks. more mistakes kangrez makes, more strenght for modi.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 23 Jul 2013 20:14

There is a old saying "nobody kicks a dead dog". Every body, including folks inside BJP, are scared of Namo. This speaks volumes of what kind of change he will bring if voted to power. I have been listening to his speaches. One think stands out. He is a man of action and hates status-quo and always experimenting with new ideas. He is a hard core REFOREMIST. This is the core reason why a lot of folks in the political industry is getting un-settled as most of them are people of words and no action and have been making a killing out of status quo as nobody wants REFORM. NAMO is a much bigger REFORMER than AVB and NSR. If he comes to power with a strong mandate there will be a lot of fire works!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 23 Jul 2013 20:16

Unless proven otherwise, one cannot pin the restaurant issue to the "High Command" and UPA stalwarts. It is common practice for "grass root workers" of almost all parties to indulge in intimidation. It is not restricted to INC.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Jul 2013 20:28

SSC and now this drunkard pervert from B town. Looks like Loh Purush is threatening to chart his own course after the RNS' statements in US about Modi being first choice for PM.

Advani must be at 'helm of affairs', Shatrughan Sinha says

PATNA: A day after Madhya Pradesh chief minister Shivraj Singh Chauhan hailed L K Advani as BJP's supreme leader, another voice of support for the party patriarch came on Tuesday when Shatrughan Sinha described him as the "most seasoned and mature" leader who must be at the "helm of affairs".

Sinha also appeared to lend his support to murmurs of discontent in the party over projection of the Gujarat chief minister as possible prime ministerial candidate saying if it was done through parliamentary board "it would be great".

"I still maintain that Narendra Modi, though he is very popular...the kind of hype that has been created thanks to media and thanks to all of us, he has been very successful.

"If he has been projected as prime minister after parliamentary board meeting, it would be a great thing. But the rider (is) that from our point of view Advani sahab must be at the helm of affairs," the MP from Patna Sahib told reporters.

He said Advani was a statesman. "He is the most seasoned, most mature person and to me he has always been the ultimate leader. He is the last person who would ever sulk. He has never demanded the prime ministerial position. We pray that, whoever, is decided as the PM candidate through the parliamentary board, must have the blessings of Mr Advani."

Asked whether Advani should be in the race for prime ministerial candidate, Sinha said, "there could not be a better person than him in terms of statesmanship.

"Advani is, as I said, to me and to most of us, the one who has contributed the maximum in the growth of BJP from 2 seats to almost 200 seats (in the Lok Sabha). He cannot be sidelined."

Sinha's comments come a day after the Madhya Pradesh chief minister calling Advani the supreme leader of the BJP and set off on his "Jan Ashirvad Yatra" from Ujjain during which posters have photographs of various leaders but not Modi.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 275268.cms

Modi ke liye Delhi abhi dur hai: Satrughan Sinha

Bharatiya Janata Party Member of Parliament Shatrughan Sinha on Tuesday shocked party leaders and workers alike when, during a visit to Patna, he stated, "Modi ke liye Delhi abhi dur hai" (Delhi is still far for Modi).

Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi is widely believed to be the BJP's prime ministerial candidate for the Lok Sabha election in 2014.

L K Advani was more suitable for the PM's post, opined Sinha, adding that the veteran BJP leader deserved it due to his capability and experience.

"I favoured Advani over Modi, because I like Advani more than Modi," said Sinha, the BJP Member of Parliament from Patna Saheb.

Sinha also expressed his unhappiness over the sidelining of Advani and other senior party leaders within the party and its decision-making process.

"It was wrong to sideline Advani, it will not help the party. By doing so, kahin Delhi dur na raj jaye (the party may lose out on its chance to come to power),” Sinha said.

He described Advani as the godfather of the BJP.

"Advani should not be sidelined," said Sinha.

He observed that senior BJP leaders were being ignored and "it is not good for the health of the party".

Sinha claimed that no BJP leader was "bigger or more popular" than former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

"Vajpayee is like a father-figure," said Sinha.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/modi- ... 130723.htm

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Jul 2013 20:36

so, ultimately we are poving that our mass is all behind some hero, heroine worship.. kings, queens and slaves. opinions of the kingships and lordships matters than opinion of the real democracy desiring crowd. people does not have the power, then it ain't democracy. the power, with responsibility is hard to cherish. not many people have realized how demcoracy plays.. it has only been misused.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 Jul 2013 20:46

If these 60-65 MPs from left or wherever had told the US, give Modi a visa, but keep him there, i would have believed they really hate Modi.