Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

James B · Post by **James B** » 24 Jul 2013 21:27

ramana wrote:
Is the worm turning? ABP if its Amrita Bazar patrika the Kolkaa based channel then its out and out INC channel. Recall after 1998 tests some one in US hacked BARC computers whcih had Bengali words in Roman script. ABP group provided translators of the Bengali words used to deride the NDA govt.

ABP news channel previously 'Star News'

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jul 2013 21:40

Shri Narendra Modi's at the Zee Business India’s Best Market Analysts Award event

Some trivia about Nehru. A congressi was already wailing on timesnow that Modi insulted Nehru.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Jul 2013 21:52

if looked at purely as self-supporting enterprises, timesnov, headlinestoday, cnn-ibn, undie-tv,star news infact none of the english language news channels would remotely make money to survive on their own. who watches them? what is there to watch? every night is a muharram with a "big fight", one MC, and 8-10 people shouting from postage stamp size windows without coming to any conclusion over some stupid question like "is ISI good for india and bad for america?"

only the demented would ever watch any of these channels.

they are either cross subsidized from other channels in their groups or somehow compensated by the regime to keep blaring their dull propaganda...kind of like TASS and izvestia in soviet union days.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jul 2013 21:58

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 24 Jul 2013 22:05

https://twitter.com/anilkohli54/status/ ... 36/photo/1

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Jul 2013 22:10

ravi_g wrote:You can always bet on some guys to provide the entertainment.

Here's something to dream about for nishachar bandhulog in Aimerikastan.

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/economy/art ... lan-324865

I did not read it. Reading it would imply it is worth reading, which it is not. But the entertainment value is in the punch line so linked it here with appropriate comment. Earlier I thought I would post it in the Indian Economy Thread.

I do not read NDTV articles. However cannot escape headlines like above since they blare at you from several places. Anyway, on that topic with an NRI, who laconically remarked "Let them fix the Dual Citizenship issue and the Indian Rs then we will invest". So the gimmick of pulling at NRI heartstrings will not help in a very large extent.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 24 Jul 2013 22:11

for news , I catch it on twitter and on http://www.nwrlive.com hosted by kanchan gupta in the evening at 8.00. No debates no discussions.
Those windows on TV debates should also not be rectangular, but should be like mughal style windows as on Taj mahal, so as to re-affirm their commitment to secularism.

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Jul 2013 22:11

Shonu wrote:

https://twitter.com/anilkohli54/status/ ... 36/photo/1

Aiyo - even proof readers are dumb!

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Jul 2013 22:17

krishnan wrote:The letter to POTUS wouldnt have gone without GoI and esp sonia's knownledge , whats next ???

Would be interesting to known the expiry date of modi's visa before it got banned....did it expire or was it banned

It was revoked. Interestingly a "diplomatic visa" was revoked. So if GOI had put its full weight on it, US would had to take a backseat. A push from GOI would mean diplomatic row breaking out. With this 65 traitor MPs GOIs hand is considerably weakened, not just now but in future as well.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 24 Jul 2013 22:19

Mister Amartya Sen has learnt well in Europe it seems- degree & prizes and all. When talking of economic problems he says 'reduced progress' not as bad as China and doesn't compare to say Germany or even France/US. When question about growth in Gujarat comes it's not about economics but so-called secularism.

It seems he is trained to not look at economic prosperity in Gujarat or a state not ruled by con race and against principles espoused by European educated economists outside Europe.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jul 2013 22:26

Idiotic article in Business Standard:

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 516_1.html

How do Leftists get employed in Business journals in India?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jul 2013 22:30

Wasn't Dilip Padgoankar getting money from Kashmiri terrorist supporters like Fai who in turn was getting the funds from ISI?
And at that time he was leading a commission on Kashmir along with three other dupes?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 24 Jul 2013 22:44

There is something common to these elite MSM members.
Most of them are Pro-Dynasty, Pro-Give-Kashmir-to-Pakistan, in-love-with-Terrorist-Musharraf, Love-Pakistan, Anti-Hindu leaders,
Have cross personal relationship with regime,Pro-US.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jul 2013 22:58

2:00 onwards.

Shivraj Singh Chouhan on why Narendra Modi isn't in his posters

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/s ... ers/284306

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Jul 2013 23:01

And irony of it all, NM has been denied US Visa for denial of Religious Freedoms clause. Saudi Barbaria, Shitistani Generals, Self declared Presidents, Yahya Khans and assorted demented communal filth get US Visas..while Gujarat where there has been no stricture against Islam or worship is punished by refusing it's head. Meanwhile Barbaria continues to throw Gita's into bins and it's leaders are all secular. A large majority of these 65 traitors i bet go there to pay obeisance to foreign soil and icons. We need to muster the thought and mindsets to kill the thought that considers foreign interests above Dharma that this nature is meant to nurture. But this is a promise by the Creator himself.. that whenever Adharma will raise it's ugly head..it will be removed. And violently too if it does not understand the language of Peace and reform to the universal ethic of Dharma.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jul 2013 23:04

Gift from Zee Owner Subhash Chandra gave to Modi

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jul 2013 23:05

VikasRaina wrote:There is something common to these elite MSM members.
Most of them are Pro-Dynasty, Pro-Give-Kashmir-to-Pakistan, in-love-with-Terrorist-Musharraf, Love-Pakistan, Anti-Hindu leaders,
Have cross personal relationship with regime,Pro-US.

Modern day Rai Bahadurs

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Jul 2013 23:05

the other irony being muslim representatives of india crying to america, arguably the country that has directly and precipitated events that killed most muslims in recent history.

the sheer knee jerk idiocy boggles the mind.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jul 2013 23:07

From UnReal Times

Mayawati’s restaurant

Rajnath Singh’s restaurant

Chidambaram’s restaurant

Nitish Kumar

Nitin Gadkari’s restaurant

Mamata Banerjee’s restaurant

Manish Tewari’s restaurant

LK Advani’s restaurant

Narendra Modi’s restaurant

Mulayam Singh Yadav’s restaurant

Subramanian Swamy’s restaurant

Sushil Kumar Shinde’s restaurant

Rahul Gandhi’s restaurant

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jul 2013 23:10

VikasRaina wrote:There is something common to these elite MSM members.
Most of them are Pro-Dynasty, Pro-Give-Kashmir-to-Pakistan, in-love-with-Terrorist-Musharraf, Love-Pakistan, Anti-Hindu leaders,
Have cross personal relationship with regime,Pro-US.

This is what I called as a heirarchial-relationship based polity.
Its pyramidical 3D (political, babudom, judiciary) structure with 2Gs at the apex and whole lot of minions under it.

So knocking out a few here and there wont affect the stability.
A pyramid collapses when the angle is too steep. And that happens when more of the minions want to clamber up then prudent.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Jul 2013 23:11

Singha wrote:if looked at purely as self-supporting enterprises, timesnov, headlinestoday, cnn-ibn, undie-tv,star news infact none of the english language news channels would remotely make money to survive on their own. who watches them? what is there to watch? every night is a muharram with a "big fight", one MC, and 8-10 people shouting from postage stamp size windows without coming to any conclusion over some stupid question like "is ISI good for india and bad for america?" only the demented would ever watch any of these channels.

they are either cross subsidized from other channels in their groups or somehow compensated by the regime to keep blaring their dull propaganda...kind of like TASS and izvestia in soviet union days.

english media, both print and tv, is over rated.

the hundi clocks 2.2 mil, while the daily thanthi alone, that publishes in tn, blr and mumbai - clocks 1.6 mil circulation. add the other tamil dailies and they would dwarf hundi.

there are some diehard english media watches in brf though. it is like a fatal attraction. they hate it but can't help watching it. they watch it and immediately log in here to erupt. crams was the leader of this brigade.

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Jul 2013 23:14

Sushupti wrote:Shri Narendra Modi's at the Zee Business India’s Best Market Analysts Award event

Some trivia about Nehru. A congressi was already wailing on timesnow that Modi insulted Nehru.

Must watch. Particularly relevant in the Indian Economics thread. Talks about the sovereign fund and how it was used to "train a generation of Indian scholars in American Thinking". Connects FII/FDI and also the inflation in RE/Gold markets. Takes a dig at MMS for his comment "money does not grow on tree" (Gold does grow on trees. Have anybody seen Pedda Rasalu?).

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Jul 2013 23:16

Madhu Kiswar plays snake charmer to 2 secular King cobras (Varshenya, Aiyar) and a wiper, who bites from both end and this time biting seculars (Meghanad Desai)

1) Desai shows Closet Jihadi Akhtar his place and exposes him by calling his definition of secularism local to India and ploy to hide congress pusillanimity and failure against Islam
2) Kiswar says there is no context for secularism in India as monotheism never existed in India. Varshneya counters India has its own definition of secularism
3) Madhu K to Akhtar: " Platitude soon soon ke kaan pak gaye mere".
4) Desai says: "Democracy is more important than secularism

The secularism debate: Just a media fixation?

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ion/284320

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jul 2013 23:18

Did he say anything about the Sterling balances which the British stole or kept before leaving the land?

Disha or Sushupti, Please give as short description(four-six points) for us.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 24 Jul 2013 23:19

ramana wrote:Wasn't Dilip Padgoankar getting money from Kashmiri terrorist supporters like Fai who in turn was getting the funds from ISI?
And at that time he was leading a commission on Kashmir along with three other dupes?

IIRC, Padgaonkar was also one of the firsts to compromise with Indira during emergency. Chauthi duniya made a story about journos who sold out during emergency and DP was one of them..

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Jul 2013 23:27

harbans wrote:And irony of it all, NM has been denied US Visa for denial of Religious Freedoms clause. Saudi Barbaria, Shitistani Generals, Self declared Presidents, Yahya Khans and assorted demented communal filth get US Visas..while Gujarat where there has been no stricture against Islam or worship is punished by refusing it's head. Meanwhile Barbaria continues to throw Gita's into bins and it's leaders are all secular. A large majority of these 65 traitors i bet go there to pay obeisance to foreign soil and icons. We need to muster the thought and mindsets to kill the thought that considers foreign interests above Dharma that this nature is meant to nurture. But this is a promise by the Creator himself.. that whenever Adharma will raise it's ugly head..it will be removed. And violently too if it does not understand the language of Peace and reform to the universal ethic of Dharma.

More than anyone Pope. He is the head of the state, Vatican. And he says that there are billion souls to harvest in India. How different is he from say Ahmenijad, who says Israel to be wiped out of the map?

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 24 Jul 2013 23:32

Atri wrote:
ramana wrote:Wasn't Dilip Padgoankar getting money from Kashmiri terrorist supporters like Fai who in turn was getting the funds from ISI?
And at that time he was leading a commission on Kashmir along with three other dupes?
IIRC, Padgaonkar was also one of the firsts to compromise with Indira during emergency. Chauthi duniya made a story about journos who sold out during emergency and DP was one of them..

Ok, so how did this freak get on Madhu Kishwar's friends/acquaintances list in the first place? Was he not aware of "Modinama" all these days?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 24 Jul 2013 23:55

abhishek_sharma wrote:
Sushil Kumar Shinde’s restaurant

Actually Saffron is a very unique spice of India found only in Kashmir Valley, sold at very high price and used for premium cooking

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Jul 2013 23:59

abhishek_sharma wrote:
Sushil Kumar Shinde’s restaurant

In any UPA-owned restaurant, they would serve "Kesar Pista" ice cream made with Haldi (Turmeric), but charge you the price for Kesar (Saffron)... and then go on to abuse Saffron.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 Jul 2013 00:04

chaanakya wrote:

Actually Saffron is a very unique spice of India found only in Kashmir Valley, sold at very high price and used for premium cooking

Italy also produces saffron. No really.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Jul 2013 00:09

Neela wrote:
chaanakya wrote:

Actually Saffron is a very unique spice of India found only in Kashmir Valley, sold at very high price and used for premium cooking
Italy also produces saffron. No really.

I think Spain not Italy. But it may be the case equivalent of Latin American mango vs Indian mango.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jul 2013 00:28

I thought it was Iran.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Jul 2013 00:28

Neela wrote:
chaanakya wrote:

Actually Saffron is a very unique spice of India found only in Kashmir Valley, sold at very high price and used for premium cooking
Italy also produces saffron. No really.

Thanks Neela, , though not Italy, but it is native of Greece and South West Asia as per Wiki. . Saffron is more secular than anything else.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Jul 2013 01:27

ramana wrote:Did he say anything about the Sterling balances which the British stole or kept before leaving the land?

Disha or Sushupti, Please give as short description(four-six points) for us.

I am giving certain gist, not necessarily in the given order.

0. Inspite of 1200 (or 1000 missed the number) years of subjugation, India started out with a "revenue surplus"
1. Modi pointed out the 100 Billion Pound Sterling loan owed to India by the British during independence for expenditure on WWII
2. He then indicated that the "world bank" was very much under the US control
3. US used that money as a barter, instead of sending us needed material or trade the money was actually used to train scholars in US. Scholars chosen by US to be trained in US (and sub-corollary hence trained in American way of thinking)

Then he turned to point out the US strategic thinking of training an entire generation of scholars using education as a resource. He left further implications for the audience to chew on.

Then he turned and pointed out that in spite of 1200 years* (see above) of subjugation., India had a "revenue surplus" and then went on to current state where "surplus"es are frittered away by the current GOI due to

1. Lack of governance
2. No direction or vision
3. Indecisiveness

For eg. even for early election one has to take a decision.

Pointed out that India has become a "bazaar" for goods coming in (and hence a dump, because only import and no export). He tied into FDI on why there is fall in investment. Also touched on FII (missed something here, was distracted). Pointed out that money is chasing RE/Gold since there is no real returns in any other trading/manufacturing/service industry.

<something about power generation capacity underutilized inspite of coal availibility>

Indicated with right direction and decision making India can get back to "surplus" state, in Gujarat a small surplus was achieved that is now spent on social upliftment programs. Mocked MMS on his "money does not grow on trees" statement. Pointed out that Gujaratis see money growing in farms, in industry and even in the sweat of a labourer.

Edit: Any errors are mine since I am summarizing in gist.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jul 2013 01:37

Thanks. Point 1 is about the Sterling Balances that Great Britain held in London during WWII from Govt of india that was under their control. They did not give it back and gave us Independence. The INC never questioned that.
We bought our Independence and the freedom struggle had little to do with it.

The US foundation was Fulbright scholarship that trained a generation of Indian scholars to think for the US.

We see that when Salman Khurshid rushes to defend US even before they want to say something!!!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jul 2013 02:34

X-Post...

arun wrote:
arun wrote:65 of our Members of Parliament have shamefully ceded national honour and sovreignity and anointed the US President the new Viceroy of India by begging him to punish Gujarat CM, Mr. Narendra Modi by not giving him a visa . What is particularly pathetic is to see the Communists, in particular Mr. Sitaram Yechury, take on the role of supplicant at the feet of arch ideological enemy, the capitalists United States of America . It would seem that for some of our MP’s playing communal politics and wooing the Mohammadden vote bank will not be deterred even at the cost of turning India into a client state of the US :

65 MPs write to Obama seeking visa ban on Modi
US becomes battleground for Hindu-Muslim political feud

The pdfs at teh end and the text of the ttories tell us a lae if we decipher the messages.

Essentially there are Indian Muslim-Americans stirring the pot. Omar Khalidi types
The TOI brings in the demographics of the MPs that 'signed' the letters.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 25 Jul 2013 03:26

sudarshan wrote:
Atri wrote:IIRC, Padgaonkar was also one of the firsts to compromise with Indira during emergency. Chauthi duniya made a story about journos who sold out during emergency and DP was one of them..
Ok, so how did this freak get on Madhu Kishwar's friends/acquaintances list in the first place? Was he not aware of "Modinama" all these days?

Kishwar is herself a Dilli-Billi like Tavleen Singh. It seams she went through some view-altering experiences and started seeing light. yet her commie genes remain alive. her recent tweets about nationalism and patriotism are example of this. But overall, Modinama series is tremendous work and one has to thank the lady for this tour d'force reply to congi-propaganda machinery. She was initially one of them, hence her conversion was bit of a shock to dilli circle. She is now slowly becoming a new Swapan Dasgupta. fair enough. She can reform only so much in this birth.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Jul 2013 03:30

Modi touchs few things for the audience to ponder.

1. Is about Indian sterling balances under British control during ww2.
2. Then talks about a Indo-us loan agreement signed by JLN in 1950s. Under this India took a loan that is given by US by identifying the Indians that can go to US, study there as part of that loan. And part of the loan repayment schedule regimen was devaluation of INR which went from 1Rs=1USD to 4+InR=1 usd.

Meaning US gave a loan to India, that must be used to train selected dhimmis in US under their control and when India pays that loan back, the conversion rate is 4times. Exactly how "vetti=slavery thru loan" used to work in India during the Gloriant British ways.

Come to think of it, I wonder how Theo missed the point that how Reformed British elite failed to reform india during their 190year rule.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Jul 2013 03:32

Is there a reason the GoI, UPA and other parties are encouragingly doing stupid things to move fence sitters to NaMo Camp.
Assuming I was a traditional Congress or regional party voter who is just mildly interested in Politics and not aware much about NaMo.
With Inflation running havoc, Cost of living going haywire and corruption permeating in every droplet of political veins, They should be trying not to make anyone a symbol of hope and positive light but instead they are doing everything to keep NaMo ahead of the pack and in news.
Congress leaders have been at it since last year, and then it was CM of Bihar, now these 65 MP's.
Is there a celestial conspiracy to bring NaMo to power I wonder.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Jul 2013 03:33

At the time of independence Rs1=usd1. When NDA got power in 1998 it was 42/1. In 2004 it was 44/1 and now after 9 years of congress rule it is 60/1.

That is cost of congress system to India vis.a.vis USD. Every year of congress rule, INR loses 1rs against usd.