Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Jul 2013 16:59

I am sure you have your uses, but does 99% of the unwashed even know such things and needs exist? you think the micromax groupies on fbook have any clue ?

agree on the long tail boutique scale apps ... but to revive the embers of a old cagefight can such things be served up through a browser rather than a native app ?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 24 Jul 2013 21:38

Saik and Vina thanks for pointing out muddled thinking on my part. Concurrency - especially low level stuff - is a minefield that should be tread very carefully. Being casual will cause crashes of all kinds

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Jul 2013 21:44

mat-rim-c garu, i was only trying to understand.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 24 Jul 2013 21:56

In that 1020 review, he is ruing the lack of Instagram, Google+ and other yuppie photo-sharing options. Is the Windows marketplace that bad? As much as I hate Instagram, too many people seem to love using it for it to be missing from the app list.

He also says that the 1020 would have been awesome had it been running Android and Nokia could have competed with Samsung pretty well. Well, it is true that the 1020 and 920 with Android would be compelling, but the problem is the 520/620/720/820 would be slow and laggy and useless. Also merely having a better Android phone than Samsung is no guarantee that it will sell. Just ask HTC.

Anyway, Mickey needs to make sure at least the popular apps are all there in the marketplace.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 24 Jul 2013 22:03

Singha wrote: and what exactly are the benefits of "rooting" on android other than wipe off wasteful vendor UI and get back some speed? WP8 is already very speedy and doesnt need such tricks.
there are no secret apps or turbo levels to unlock by rooting is there? people have forgotten the why of it...just like jihadis just tend to get into a frenzy once the mullah unleashes his flock out the gate. any app that runs on a supposedly 'pure' wahabi rooted phone will run just fine on touchwiz or htc sense or any panda skin in the wild .... Google unable to force all android licensees to frequently update their phones is a failing of android. that cannot be a viewed as a +ve for rooting , just a cause-effect to bypass this failing.

In massaland the Android phones come with tonnes of carrier (and manufacturer) bloatware, that can' be removed without rooting. AT&T used to turn off the WiFi tethering option on all its phones (including iPhunwa I think). Don't know if they still do that. Probably do. Only way to unlock it is to root the phone. Rooting process itself takes about 5 minutes at the most. As for turbo levels, there are methods for overclocking the processor, etc I believe. just like on a PC. But a very small percentage of users would ever need or use it. It'll come with its own pitfalls like overheating and low battery life.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Jul 2013 22:22

Finally chacha has announced the new Nexus 7. Looking pretty good!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Jul 2013 22:29

good features.. but chromecast may invade privacy space!

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 24 Jul 2013 22:35

SaiK wrote:mat-rim-c garu, i was only trying to understand.

It is good you did. May be we should pick up our discussion from where we left off on math dhaga too.

In the academia counterexamples are always wilcommen.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 24 Jul 2013 22:37

Suraj wrote:Finally chacha has announced the new Nexus 7. Looking pretty good!

Chromecast also seems useful for phata abduls like me with a non-wifi enabled non-Samsung TV.

Big disappointment on Android front. 4.3 is just 4.2 with a few new useless features. Just another Jelly Bean version, not Key Lime Pie. Maybe they've run out of ideas.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Jul 2013 22:49

matrimc wrote:
SaiK wrote:mat-rim-c garu, i was only trying to understand.
It is good you did. May be we should pick up our discussion from where we left off on math dhaga too. In the academia counterexamples are always wilcommen.

I will go m-academia nuts!

. thanx.. I will.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 24 Jul 2013 23:05

Lilo wrote:
BhairavP wrote:Lumia 1020 review:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/24/45503 ... 020-review

Raja babu, when are you sending me one?

. There are plenty of compelling Windows Phone 8 options, from the gorgeous 925 to the feature-packed 1020, but they can’t change the fact that Windows Phone 8 itself just isn’t that compelling.

Throughout my entire time with the device, I kept coming back to Stephen Elop. He told the Guardian that Nokia picked Windows Phone because it feared Samsung would come to dominate the Android market, and that Nokia wouldn’t be able to compete. I disagree. The 1020, plus all the sharing options and apps that Google’s OS brings, could be a ridiculously compelling phone. I’d happily carry a big phone that gave me a perfect camera, but right now with the 1020 I’m carrying a big phone running a third-place OS just for the imaging prowess. For Nokia’s sake, I hope Windows Phone 8 gets the apps it needs before HTC, Apple, or Samsung wakes up and builds a killer cameraphone to go with a killer ecosystem. But either way, I hope it happens soon – I hear Justin Timberlake’s coming back to New York this fall.

Typical head in the sand ostrich mentality from the reporter who keep blindly parroting the same line without thinking. GB and Chacha have a conflict of interest when it comes to Location Based Services and mapping and that is the only lifeline GB has to get itself out of the HW onlee manufacturer quagmire which folks like HTC seem doomed to be stuck in. So for GB it didn't make sense to go all in on Android and it had to go all in on one platform whether it was Android, WP or its own (MeeGo) in order to focus and stop the ship from sinking rather than spray and pray. Through lack of proper product management, MeeGo despite being probably the most intuitively designed mobile OS till date never took off as it required a runway much longer than what GB could afford especially in terms of making it a viable ecosystem. That left Android and WP. Chacha refused to allow GB to put its own LBS and mapping on Android while also putting in non-competing Chacha services like Gmail. That left WP and that's what GB decided to focus on.

When Sammy decides to do its own services in a major way esp. LBS expect them to break out of OHA and do a Takla maneuver. They are already putting all the pieces in place...

1) Samsung/Galaxy as primary branding. Check.
2) Samsung App Store. Check.
3) Differentiating Samsung Apps not available thru Play but thru Sammy App store onlee. Check.
4) Another OS platform (Tizen) which will allow cross-compatibility of apps with Android. Check.

member_23651 · Post by **member_23651** » 25 Jul 2013 01:25

quick question though, with chromecast will I be able to stream local videos/pics or the windows desktop to my tv also? If not what cheap wireless solution should I be looking for the same?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 25 Jul 2013 05:48

^^ Yesterday Ubuntu forums too got its database hacked with the bulk of user ids emails salted passwords etc compromised.

Best practice must be to always use two seperate ID/Pass combis for serious accounts (like personal mail) vs non serious board or spam mail accounts.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 25 Jul 2013 06:11

Bawarchi says he will make Iphooon with bigger screen. Mahdi must be crying wherever he is.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jul 2013 06:57

Nokia Lumia 1020 Review

Even the most biased fanbois (aka Engadget and TheVerge) are admitting that this type of phunwa makes P&S cameras don Paki jernail uniform. HW commoditization ensures these technologies trickle down in price point and that has never failed till date.

Mortullah tau, aur kitne din tak haqeeqat se ladtay rahogay?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jul 2013 07:19

4" is too small. 4.8 or 4.5" form factor is still manageable as a phone and one handed use.

5" is where it starts getting into two handed , one legged panda territory - strong, square jawed phalanx of hoplites from shenzhen armed with 14 feet long javelins.

Mihir · Post by **Mihir** » 25 Jul 2013 17:57

Raja Bose wrote:Nokia Lumia 1020 Review

Even the most biased fanbois (aka Engadget and TheVerge) are admitting that this type of phunwa makes P&S cameras don Paki jernail uniform. HW commoditization ensures these technologies trickle down in price point and that has never failed till date.

Mortullah tau, aur kitne din tak haqeeqat se ladtay rahogay?

The review (and many others) mention that the 1020's dynamic range is amazing. My question is, relative to what? I understand it blows the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S4 out of the water, but how does it compare to a mid-range P&S like, say, an S110?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jul 2013 18:15

just got the lumia 820 at home. precise, cleanly engineered iphone/HTC type tolerances and casings. heavy. still havent figured out how to remove the back cover...seems to be almost welded shut.

son is jumping up and down wanting his grubby paws on it.

so different from the chipanda/samsung plastic that looks like came from recycled lotas, mugs, buckets and cheap toys.

added later - first roadblock - yikes it needs a micro SIM and our sim's are full size. looks like have to get it changed in weekend

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 25 Jul 2013 18:47

Singhaji,just get the sim cut,no need for a new one.
Bose babu,my question still stands!

manish · Post by **manish** » 25 Jul 2013 18:52

Singha wrote:just got the lumia 820 at home. precise, cleanly engineered iphone/HTC type tolerances and casings. heavy. still havent figured out how to remove the back cover...seems to be almost welded shut.

son is jumping up and down wanting his grubby paws on it.

so different from the chipanda/samsung plastic that looks like came from recycled lotas, mugs, buckets and cheap toys.

added later - first roadblock - yikes it needs a micro SIM and our sim's are full size. looks like have to get it changed in weekend

Congrats on that. Typically your neighbourhood Sangeetha/Univercell/any other cellphone dealer will cut the SIM in a jiffy for free - get it done right now and start playing with it

Nokia devices at the higher end continue to be exemplary in HW engineering & build quality.

And curiously, they are mated to WP which seems to continue to Symbian's frugal nature wrt HW requirements (Gurulog/Bose babu please correct me if I am wrong here)

So in effect, the package pretty much continues to be great hardware mated to efficient software. Only this time with much more modern, user/coder friendly SW then?

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 25 Jul 2013 18:54

Singha wrote:just got the lumia 820 at home. precise, cleanly engineered iphone/HTC type tolerances and casings. heavy. still havent figured out how to remove the back cover...seems to be almost welded shut.

son is jumping up and down wanting his grubby paws on it.

so different from the chipanda/samsung plastic that looks like came from recycled lotas, mugs, buckets and cheap toys.

added later - first roadblock - yikes it needs a micro SIM and our sim's are full size. looks like have to get it changed in weekend

You can find a SIM cutter (normal to Micro-SIM) in any shop. Saves the hassle to wait for a new SIM activation/etc from the operator.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jul 2013 19:25

thanks for the tip . I also see online templates to print 1:1 and will try tomorrow. making a micro SIM appears simple as DIY -vs- a nano SIM.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jul 2013 20:19

Mihir wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:Nokia Lumia 1020 Review

Even the most biased fanbois (aka Engadget and TheVerge) are admitting that this type of phunwa makes P&S cameras don Paki jernail uniform. HW commoditization ensures these technologies trickle down in price point and that has never failed till date.

Mortullah tau, aur kitne din tak haqeeqat se ladtay rahogay?
The review (and many others) mention that the 1020's dynamic range is amazing. My question is, relative to what? I understand it blows the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S4 out of the water, but how does it compare to a mid-range P&S like, say, an S110?

You have to use it and see or wait for dpreview or anand ji to write a more detailed review.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jul 2013 20:25

Weight is something GB needs to reduce. It is primarily driven by GB's internal device durability requirements which are legendary in the industry. But that results in phones built and weighing like Arjun tank while the metrosexual public demands tin can featherweights so as not to hurt their delicate shahid kapoor like wrists.

Why do you think I call Sammy phones turds.....they feel like some cheap lota one uses in Pakistan.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jul 2013 20:29

BhairavP wrote:Singhaji,just get the sim cut,no need for a new one.
Bose babu,my question still stands!

my whine still stands

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jul 2013 20:46

it must be sammy's curves that is paki.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Jul 2013 20:49

i messedup my tablet pc and now it wont boot

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jul 2013 21:27

why is that a laughing matter? you didn't pay for it?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 25 Jul 2013 21:35

prahaar wrote:Singhaji, it is more about the long tail app content that is missing in WP ecosystem rather than any top of the line apps (there are a few notable exceptions like Instagram, and definitely few others). For example, a TV program was asking for audition videos, and had provided an Android and an iOS version of the app, WP was not supported. Niticentral has Android app but does not have a WP app. Similarly there are utility apps (like stock trading tips apps, etc which are not HUGE apps but for a user depending on tips from a certain blogger or a company is tied to the ecosystem by that single app.

The top of the line apps in Android/iOS can/will be encouraged by MS and other ecosystem players to support WP, but the task becomes impossible for long tail app content.

An app for your bank, an app for your utilities provider, popular websites etc etc and all of these in every country. Already in countries where WP has gained significant market share (like UK), more and more such apps are being provided. WP's market share has to increase in other countries to bring such providers on board.

Then there are the most popular games, which either do not exist or even if exists they are released much later than iOS and Android and in many cases, older versions are released.

And then there are people tied tothe google ecosystem. Google may eventually release official apps for WP when there are significant numbers.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jul 2013 21:51

Chacha is first and foremost a service provider like Mickey. The only difference is Chacha hasn't learned how to finesse the pakiness of leveraging properly yet which is why they sometimes they get gamed by older more experienced khiladis like Mickey (like the whole Youtube app stunt)....but that's just a matter of experience. Fundamentally there is no difference in how both these companies do business or play hardball.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 25 Jul 2013 22:06

Any thoughts on what's happening to Broadcom ? That stock is getting hammered since the last earnings on Tuesday - down 16% since. Nice bottomfeeding opportunity, but there's nothing fundamental support such a price crash. Even AAPL reported ho hum guidance and it zoomed up. Some rumors say BRCM might lose AAPL's mobile chip business, but that seems a little farfetched - completely eliminate BRCM for QCOM ? Where's the benefit to AAPL from that ?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Jul 2013 22:49

This is the type of innovation which doesn't get featured in popular press headlines but is going to bring mobile services to the next billion....

Foursquare hits Nokia's GPS-less Asha 501, gets bearings with connection data

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jul 2013 00:23

RB, Isn't Google's Chromecast like a mini Roku with some enhanced features?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 26 Jul 2013 01:07

^^^chromecast is a dongle, roku is a stb.....dont think they are comparable yet, no?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 26 Jul 2013 04:06

ramana wrote:RB, Isn't Google's Chromecast like a mini Roku with some enhanced features?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/25/45578 ... and-motion

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Jul 2013 11:20

how is the user reviews on the nexus4 phone..it looks very impressive on paper.

if rumours are to be believed , the nexus5 specs will make it the highest spec android phone when it appears. motorola is allegedly the partner this time.
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/google/go ... ce-rumours

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Jul 2013 22:16

highly impressed with the 820 nokia so far. had a lot of fun with the free music service and downloaded some hindi and english songs to listen later, huge selection of music incl regional indian languages.
whoever designed the WP8 UI did a good job of it AoA.
the letters on screen are so sharp, just like the ipad they look printed on it.

currently trying to find some excuse to grab the phone for myself and fob wife off with my samsung heh heh. android has become a zoo with 100 apps for every job at hand.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 26 Jul 2013 23:06

WP8 UI was designed by a wimmens. Android UI is designed by mard (Matthias Duarte), iOS UI is designed by mard (Sir Jony), MeeGo UI was designed by mard (Peter Skillman - Matthias ka chaddi buddy). The Metro design language is essentially what was developed for the Zune music player. Currently it is the mobile UI which most closely follows direct interaction principles (touch based input is a direct interaction input modality).

Once they add the unified notification center and swipe to force close an app (not as commonly needed as Android but still it would be nice to have sometimes), WP8 UI will be complete....right now it feels like 90% done, not 100%.

I like the Nokia Music service and Mix Radio precisely for its huge collection of desi songs....nothing else.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 26 Jul 2013 23:16

Singha wrote:highly impressed with the 820 nokia so far. had a lot of fun with the free music service and downloaded some hindi and english songs to listen later, huge selection of music incl regional indian languages.

How is the Nokia music service different from Pandora/Spotify etc.? Did you pay for the songs you downloaded or were they free as well (although I don't see how hat could work)?

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 26 Jul 2013 23:25

Singha wrote:highly impressed with the 820 nokia so far. had a lot of fun with the free music service and downloaded some hindi and english songs to listen later, huge selection of music incl regional indian languages.
whoever designed the WP8 UI did a good job of it AoA.
the letters on screen are so sharp, just like the ipad they look printed on it.

currently trying to find some excuse to grab the phone for myself and fob wife off with my samsung heh heh. android has become a zoo with 100 apps for every job at hand.

hain na?

android =zoo . truetrue.