Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Wooowwww! Sh. Amitabh Bachhan is true hero today, an upper cut for Rajdeep Sardesai :

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater
The ‪#‎PaidMedia‬ Journalist Rajdeep Sardesai (Editor-in-Chief of CNN-IBN, IBN7) after the Journalism Awards tweets to Public with an abusive and denigrating intent and get a return slap by Mr. Amitabh Bachchan.

In India, this so called 4th Pillar of ‪#‎democracy‬, is also the most corrupted and most compromised, after the UPA Govt.

Make the Media accountable!!
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RamaY wrote: Bliss to connect the dots between gujrat, Kerala and Bodhgaya, myanmar and the internal political equations. While you are at it think about IM as Kangress-Mteam and Ramasene as Kangress-Hteam. Now connect with the proclamations of kangress-mantivaryas.

A nandarajya-picture emerges.
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I watched the whole 'Chanakya' series again few months back. And while seeing Chandragupt and other students forming a sena in Takshashila University under Vishnugupt Chanakya. As I saw them training parading and singing, it suddenly stuck me that in a perverted way, the same thing is happening in those parts with Talibs (again the students) under guidance of Mullah Omar/Jwahiri to conquer the Rashtra, while Sanatan Dharma having no such active movement.
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VikasRaina wrote:<snip>
Is there a celestial conspiracy to bring NaMo to power I wonder.
I will go a little far behind in times for "CT" -- may actually be a true celstical conspiracy--

If ABV had won the elections in 2004-- He would have reired anyway soon due to ill health-- then disaster would have struck India in form the various purushavataars-- loh-----> low purush etc and his acolytes. remember he was still very popular and had more friends then.

due to himself and folks like Sudheendra Kulkarni et al would have scr@wed India royally.

Then aam aadmi would have lost interets in aletrnative to congis.

NaMo would have been history without Indians knowing his true potential to benefit India.-- sort of premature birth or still born.

Congis would have come back to power and stayed forever.

Even in 2009 in hindsight is good for congius to be in power else we would have not known the perils of congis destruction of India.


Now congis have shown their true colors for all to know their capabilities of destroying India.

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All in all NaMo is a product of the times India is travelling thru currently.
All for good onlee.

Tough men last whereas tough times do not last.


JMTs
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Re NM visa issue...

1. NM's tourist visa was revoked. *Not* any diplomatic visa.
2. Tourist visa was applied for when NM was a private citizen (in the late 90s) and not in government in any capacity.
3. Diplomatic visas are harder to revoke and a catfight would breakout in the state department before one could be done...
4. the visa revocation was for 'violations of religious freedom' - code for obstructing unhindered prosletyzation by the EJ brigade who are essentially extensions of the US state policy only.
5. AFAIK, NM has never applied for any US visa since the revocation of his tourist one.
6. Only.
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Manish_Sharma wrote:
SwamyG wrote:
Hopefully, Modi gets intelligent supporters and not deranged fanbois.
Oye 'non-nationalist' dude! So you have appointed yourself to be the judge of who is a supporter and who is a deranged fanboi?
Yes, I have the right to observe and opinion - which automatically includes an element of judgement. I do not need a permission to think however I need permission to place it gracefully in a forum though. It is up to you to decide what you are irrespective of how others judge. Why do you get your panties in a twist? I made a general statement on humans. And you jumped up and down like a joker.
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Wow, Desai bitch-slapped Javed and all pseudo-seculars. Ashutosh and Mani were totally miffed with Madhu. Mani called Madhu a quisling, and did not want to be her friend any more. Burkha never allowed Madhu to finish her points, and when Madhu talked about the history of Secularism, Burkha cut her short because Burkha knew/understood where Madhu was going....but how about aam admi watching the TV - does he know the history and origin of secularism?
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^ this is the debate SwamyG garu was talking about...

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ion/284320

SwamyG garu, like in Indo-pak cricket matches where 11 Indians play with 13 pakis (2 umpires), BJP supporters have to be prepared to play against the news channel anchors/moderators as well. If there are audience, that makes it even worse for they are pre-screened.
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Atri wrote:
sudarshan wrote: Ok, so how did this freak get on Madhu Kishwar's friends/acquaintances list in the first place? Was he not aware of "Modinama" all these days?
Kishwar is herself a Dilli-Billi like Tavleen Singh. It seams she went through some view-altering experiences and started seeing light. yet her commie genes remain alive. her recent tweets about nationalism and patriotism are example of this. But overall, Modinama series is tremendous work and one has to thank the lady for this tour d'force reply to congi-propaganda machinery. She was initially one of them, hence her conversion was bit of a shock to dilli circle. She is now slowly becoming a new Swapan Dasgupta. fair enough. She can reform only so much in this birth.
Thank you for the gyaan, sir. Very illuminating. Will pray that Madhu's sumati/subuddhi will prevail.
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She was always on the side of the 'light' so to speak if you have read other articles by her earlier.
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Madhu Kishwar is a grass roots worker, fairly apolitical. Uses common sense and not rhetorical approach. Understands EJ game very well. Trying to bring ground up change.

What Modi is to politicians, Madhu is to social workers.
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Modi getting all the attention while dynasty gets none on this thread, tch tch.....not fair so here is some:

http://www.deeshaa.org/dr-subramanian-s ... ia-gandhi/
Dr Subramanian Swamy: “Sanction to Prosecute Ms Sonia Gandhi”

| 15, April 2011 |

Dr.Manmohan Singh
Prime Minister as Sanctioning Authority
u/s 19 of the Prevention of Corruption Act (1988) [PCA]
South Block, New Delhi.

Re: Sanction to prosecute Ms.Sonia Gandhi, Chairperson (in Cabinet Rank), NAC, under Prevention of Corruption Act (1988).

Dear Sir:

1. Ms.Sonia Gandhi MP, wife of the deceased Rajiv Gandhi, was first appointed as Chairperson National Advisory Council [NAC] in May 2004. She resigned in 2006 but was re-appointed by an Order of the Cabinet Secretariat dated March 29, 2010, read with Order dated October 8, 2010 [Annexure 1].

2. As per Order of May 31, 2004 [Annexure 2] the Prime Minister’s Office will provide Central Government funds to meet the expenditure of the NAC, and service the NAC for its secretarial needs. Hence she is a public servant as defined in Section 2 ( c ) of the Prevention of Corruption Act (1988).

3. You, in your capacity as deemed appointing authority are therefore the Designated Authority under Section 19 of the Prevention of Corruption Act for granting Sanction to prosecute the said Ms. Sonia Gandhi. As you know, there are no laches or statute of limitations for prosecuting offences of corruption.

4. Your Sanction is required by me for prosecuting Ms. Sonia Gandhi on a private complaint proposed to be filed by me in the criminal court under Prevention of Corruption Act (1988), based on the materials available to me (and enclosed with this letter/application) with reference to two issues:

FIRST ISSUE:

5. Ms.Sonia Gandhi holds office which enables her to give direction to Government departments and Ministries and also call for confidential reports from CBI, and according to the then Union Law Minister, she can even call for files [Annexure 3]. She has been as Chairperson of NAC giving directions to several ministries and departments.

6. It is charged that she obtained for, and colluded with family friend, Mr. Ottavio Quattrocchi—an Interpol Red-Corner Noticee & a proclaimed offender under Indian criminal law, to obtain for him the pecuniary advantage from defreezing of his CBI-frozen account, thus committing offence u/s 13 (1)(d) of the PCA, and also conspired with Quattrocchi to enable him to escape prosecution in Bofors Gun Purchase scam.

7. Bofors scam that occurred in 1986 represents corruption in very high places and the key figure in the scam is Mr. Ottavio Quattrocchi, the Italian family friend and fixer. The then Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi was manipulated by Ms.SoniaGandhi, his Italian born wife, to abet the crime in Bofors gun purchase committed by Quattrocchi against the nation.

8. Ms.Sonia Gandhi stationed Mr.Walter Vinci, her brother-in-law, in Sweden to influence her husband and then Prime Minister, when on a visit to Sweden to finalize the Bofors Deal. Also present in the same hotel was the Italian fixer, small arms supplier, and Snam Progetti agent, Mr. Ottavio Quattrocchi, [who was hailed as the catalyst in the deal by the CBI in their Letters Rogatory documents], and who had in return for a hefty commission prevailed on the Prime Minister to sign the deal before March 31, 1986.

9. Thereafter when the arm of the law began reaching near him, he escaped from India in 1993, then from Malaysia in 2002 via a rigged court judgment obtained by collusion with as yet unnamed parties and from Argentina— by the CBI fudging the records – all achieved under the influence exerted by Ms. Sonia Gandhi under three different and consenting Prime Ministers.

10. This is further confirmed in the interview conducted by Ranjit Bhushan of Outlook magazine [Annexure 4 ] in 1998 with Mr.Sten Lindstorm, the Chief of the Investigation Division of Swedish National Bureau of Investigation and Special Prosecutor of the Swedish Government into the Bofors payoffs. The Swedish National Audit Bureau which he assisted concluded after an independent probe that bribes had indeed been paid in the Bofors deal.

11. Lindstorm states in the interview, which has not been contradicted by anyone including Ms. Sonia Gandhi, that: “The Bofors Papers all point to the [Sonia] Gandhifamily” and further that Ms.Sonia Gandhi should “explain how Quattrocchi-owned companies got such fat sums as payoffs from the Bofors deal.”

12. This report is corroborated by another interview given by Lindstorm to Chitra Subramanian [Indian Express, March 22, 1998] wherein he stated; “All information we had at that time pointed to the Gandhi link—Sonia Gandhi should place her cards on the table. The bribes have been traced to her friend and this is not something out of the blue. This is no coincidence.”

13. Headlines Today is in possession of the written statement of then Intelligence Bureau officer Naresh Chandra Gosain made before CBI Inspector Ghanshyam Rai on March 29 1997. Between 1984 and 1987, Gosain was posted in the Special Protection Group[SPG] of the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. He was part of the escort team. Between 1987 and 1989, Gosain served as the Personal Security Officer or the PSO ofSonia Gandhi.

14. During the tenure of Prime Minister Deve Gowda in 1997, Gosain deposed before the CBI. This deposition has so far never been made public. Headlines Today dug out this deposition, in which Gosain talks at length about the close family ties between the Gandhis and the Quattrocchis.

15. In his testimony Gosain says, “Mr.Ottavio Quattrocchi and his wife Ms Maria Quattrocchi were very close to Mr Rajiv Gandhi and Mrs Sonia Gandhi. When Shri RajivGandhi became Prime Minister, Mr. Quattrocchi and his family members used to visit PM house and the family members of Shri Rajiv Gandhi also used to visit the house of Mr.Quattrocchi.”

16. He adds: “In the initial period of Prime Ministership of Shri Rajiv Gandhi, the children of Shri Rajiv Gandhi used to stay at Mr.Quattrocchi’s house during the foreign visits/domestic visits of the Prime Minister. We used to perform our shift duties at the residence of Mr.Quattrocchi on such occasions. Sometimes, Mrs Sonia Gandhi has also stayed in the house of Mr.Quattrocchi and at that time we used to perform our duties there.”

Gosain goes on to add that Mr.Quattrocchi and his wife Maria enjoyed free access to the Prime Minister’s house. “At No. 5 & 7 Race Course Road, private cars were not allowed to enter inside the bungalow. Only the ferry cars of SPG, after severe security checks, used to carry such visitors from reception to porch and back. Mr. Quattrocchi and Mrs Maria Quattrocchi were very close to Shri Rajiv Gandhi’s family and they got free access to the PM’s House.”

He further added: “All visitors to No 5 & 7 Race Course Road were issued passes at the reception near the alighting point. Every time, a card was kept ready for Mr. Quattrocchi and his family members as and when they visited the PM’s house. Everybody in SPG posted at PM house knew Mr Quattrocchi and his family members. Hence, there was no question of identifying them.”

17. Ottavio Quattrocchi’s proximity to the Gandhis is well known. What is also known is this proximity continued even after Quattrocchi began to be linked to the Bofors scandal.What documents show is that despite the cloud of suspicion surrounding Quattrocchi’s involvment in the Bofors paybacks, he continued to have unfettered access to 10 Janpath, the residence officially assigned to Ms.Sonia Gandhi, which in itself makes her a public servant under the Prevention of Corruption Act.

18. It is important to recollect that by January 25, 1990, a team of CBI officials was already in Switzerland with a list of suspected recipients of the Bofors payback. According to a Frontline magazine story of the time, Ottavio Quattrocchi was the first name on that list. Between 1988 and 1990, the media too carried many stories about the involvement of Quattrocchi as a middleman in the Bofors deal.

19. It is clear from records that Mr.Quattrocchi was the direct beneficiary of bribe payments in the Bofors scam. It is now confirmed by the ITAT Report of the Hon’ble Tolani & Sharma Bench [Annexure 5 ].

The testimony of Mr. Sasi Dharan is crucial in further unravelling the proximity of Quattrocchi to Ms. Sonia Gandhi.. Sasi Dharan worked as a driver in Snam Progetti. Snam Progetti was an Italian public sector giant that was represented in India by Ottavio Quattrocchi. Sasi was Quattrocchi’s personal driver. He drove Mercedes No.DIA 6253. In his testimony before the CBI, Sasi details the frequent meetings between the Gandhis with the Quattrocchis.

20. In his testimony Sasi says: “Shri Quattrocchi and Mrs Maria Quattrocchi were very close to Shri Rajiv Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi and his family. I do not know what type of relation they had but Quattrocchi and his wife Maria used to frequently visit the house of Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi. I knew it since 1985 when I joined service. At that time they used to visit the house of Rajiv Gandhi twice or thrice in a day. Whenever SoniaGandhi’s mother or father visited India, I used to drive them to the house of Quattrocchi. They used to remain there for the whole day and Mrs Maria Quattrocchi would take them for shopping. They used to come to India four or five times in the year.”

21. What is clinching is the car log maintained by driver Sasi Dharan. In this log, Sasi details the exact dates when Ottavio Quattrocchi came to meet Rajiv and Sonia Gandhi at 5 and 7 Race Course Road or 10 Janpath. These logs are for the period 1989 to 1993. In this log book, Sasi Dharan has mentioned 41 occasions when Quattrocchi came to meet the Gandhis.

22. It is important to note that the meetings between Ottavio Quattrochi and Sonia Gandhicontinued even after the death of Rajiv Gandhi in 1991 even as Ms.Sonia Gandhiremained as a public servant under the Prevention of Corruption Act.

23. According to Sasi Dharan, Quattrocchi came to 10 Janpath 21 times after May 1991. Considering the long financial dealings of Mr.Quattrocchi since 1976 with LTTE (the assassins of Rajiv Gandhi), this fact is a subject of a future application for sanction as well.

24. Sasi concludes by saying: “Shri Quattrocchi left India on the night of July 29, 1993 and on this day also I had driven him to the airport. At that time he did not have any luggage except one briefcase and he told me he was going for an urgent meeting. Usually, whenever Mr. Quattrocchi wanted the car, he would tell me in advance, but the day he left, he did not tell me (in advance)”. Obviously he had notice of his impending arrest by CBI in advance.

25. As a consequence of the misuse of her office and position, Ms. Sonia Gandhihelped Ottavio Quattrocchi not only escape from the country, and in 2005 even to withdraw $ 29 million from his de-frozen accounts and thus let off scot free.

26. Hence, it is prima facie obvious that Ms.Sonia Gandhi had misused her office [ she was Life President in the Government funded Indira Gandhi National Centre for Arts Trust(IGNCA Trust) during 1991-2002] and thus a public servant with considerable influence in government to enable Mr. Quattrocchi to escape from India in 1993 and later in 2005 to benefit Mr.Quattrocchi to illegally gain monetarily at the expense of the Consolidated Fund of India, by defreezing his London accounts.

SECOND ISSUE:

27. This complaint against Sonia Gandhi also includes the corrupt monies held under her control in the tax haven of Switzerland as a legatee of the corrupt money which was banked in the name of her late husband or deposited by her of funds obtained from the erstwhile KGB, the Soviet Union’s Intelligence Agency, or by sale of illegally exported antiques in the country. I retain the right to submit details of other illegal accounts in other havens such as Macao at a later stage in another application to you or before the court.

28. It is well-reported that Sonia Gandhi is the beneficiary of Rajiv Gandhi’s estate which includes the corrupt monies continued even now to be held in a tax havens. Why this money is held abroad (even if held as a trust to benefit family members) instead of its being held in India within the Indian financial system to benefit the nation is a question which Ms.Sonia Gandhi must answer.

29. Violations of FEMA have occurred as also under Prevention of Money Laundering Act. In case any transaction on this account which is not reported in the Income Tax Returns, and FCRA is also a violation. There may also be an issue of obtaining RBI prior permission for holding such large sums abroad if it is claimed to be a legitimate account.

30. It is clear that this wealth was not reported in Election Affidavits of SoniaGandhi & Rahul Gandhi as a beneficiary of the monies so held [Annexure 6]. The total wealth of both Gandhis, as per their election returns, is just Rs 363 lakh, Sonia owns no car. ”

31. When Schweizer Illustrierte a prestigious German language Swiss magazine alleged that Rajiv Gandhi held an illegal account in Swiss banks of about US $ 2 billion, neither she nor her son, protested, or sued the magazine, then or later [Annexure 7].

32. When major papers, The Hindu and The Times of India included, had carried in the year 1992 the official confirmation of KGB payments to the Rajiv Gandhi family, adding that the Russian government owned the payments in the disclosures, neither of the two Gandhis challenged or sued them [Annexure 8].

33. Nor did they sue Dr. Yevgenia Albats, a member of the official Commission on KGB Operations set up by President Yeltsin, when she wrote about KGB payments to RajivGandhi and family in her book: The State within State [Annexure 9]

34. More than $ 2 billion in 1991 was being held by Ms. Sonia Gandhi as a legatee, or otherwise obtained by receiving stolen movable and immovable properties, monies and securities, kept illegally in tax haven banks of Switzerland and elsewhere, and which is disproportionate to her known sources of income. She thus has also committed offence u/s 13(1)(e) of PCA. It also attracts the IPC Sections for receiving stolen property.

35. The recent deposition of Hasan Ali, alleged to have siphoned money of the nation to Switzerland secret accounts admits to his close association not only with her but with Mr.Ahmed Patel MP and political adviser to Ms.Sonia Gandhi[Annexure 10 ].

36. Ms. Sonia Gandhi is also obviously culpable under Indian criminal law such as FCRA for the pay offs in the Iraqi Oil-for-Food scam of 2002. The United Nations had set up an independent inquiry committee under Dr. F. Volcker which found that the “Congress Party” headed by Ms. Sonia Gandhi as a beneficiary of a free oil quota from the now deposed and deceased dictator Saddam Hussein, which the beneficiary sold at market price through Marc Rich, the notorious swindler who had been convicted by a US Court for 350 years and several million dollars as fine. He was pardoned by US President Clinton in 2000 on Israeli Prime Minister’s intervention. He lives in Switzerland.

37. No one in Congress Party but Ms. Sonia Gandhi as party President could have been this beneficiary. The other beneficiary listed in Volcker’s Report was by name: Natwar Singh, who got much less [Annexure 11].

38. I reserve the right to further petition you to enlarge the scope of this sanction at a future date to include other violations and offences committed by Ms.SoniaGandhi under Prevention of Corruption Act (1988), for which I will file with you a separate application if necessary..

39. But, in this application alone there is substantive prima facie evidence for an appropriate court to take cognizance of the offence committed by Ms.Sonia Gandhiunder the Prevention of Corruption Act, and thus I seek your sanction to initiate the criminal law to prosecute her under the Act

40. Ms. Sonia Gandhi is habitually committing acts of corruption since 1972. On November 19, 1974, I brought it to the attention of the Rajya Sabha that Ms. SoniaGandhi, then an Italian citizen had functioned as a benami insurance agent of public sector insurance companies, and giving her address as 1, Safdarjung Road, New Delhi which was then the official residence of the Prime Minister of India. She thus committed an offence under FERA. The then Prime Minister Mrs.Indira Gandhisubsequently informed the Rajya Sabha that following my disclosure, Ms. SoniaGandhi had resigned from this agency earning commissions.

41. Between January 25, 1973 and January 21, 1975 she held a post of Managing Director of Maruti Technical Services on a salary despite it being an offence under FERA. But then she had become Managing Director of Maruti Heavy Vehicles Pvt Ltd with an even bigger remuneration. For neither post she had the necessary qualifications having never passed even High School.The Justice A.C. Gupta Commission appointed in 1977 by the Janata Party Government found her guilty of multiple offences under FERA and IPC.

42. In 1980 and January 1983 Ms. Sonia Gandhi then still an Italian citizen enrolled herself as a voter in the New Delhi constituency despite having been struck off the list in 1982 upon the ERO receiving a complaint from a citizen. She thus committed an offence under Section 31 of the Representation of the People’s Act read with Form 4 of the Registration of Electors Rules(1960).

43. Ms.Sonia Gandhi’s Indian citizenship acquired in record speed in April 1983 is vitiated by her incomplete answers to mandatory questions in the citizenship forms. She did not submit documents from the Italian government of relinquishing her Italian citizenship required for Indian citizenship, stating in the Form that it was ‘not applicable” [Annexure 12]. Italian Embassy in New Delhi simply affirmed what she told them and hence that cannot be taken as a valid document of relinquishment for the purposes of citizenship. She also retrieved her Italian passport in 1992 after citizenship laws in Italy were amended which under Section 10 of the Citizenship Act (1955) means cancellation of her Indian citizenship.

44. All these facts stated above were put together and published in USA in a full page advertisement in the New York Times in 2008 by NRIs N. Kataria and others.The Congress Party unit in USA thereafter engaged the most expensive law firm and filed a $200 million defamation suit. However Ms.Sonia Gandhi refused to appear in the witness box and be cross examination. Therefore, Justice Emily Goodman of the New York State Supreme Court dismissed the suit since defamation suits in law have to be filed by the person claiming to be defamed, and therefore cannot be assigned to others [Annexure 13]. Ms. Sonia Gandhi had a case to rebut these facts, then why she failed to turn up in court?


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RamaY wrote:^ this is the debate SwamyG garu was talking about...

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ion/284320

SwamyG garu, like in Indo-pak cricket matches where 11 Indians play with 13 pakis (2 umpires), BJP supporters have to be prepared to play against the news channel anchors/moderators as well. If there are audience, that makes it even worse for they are pre-screened.
I have been advocating that BJP send at least 2 to each show and not one. And BJP seems to have read my post on BRF {ego boost} :mrgreen: One person cannot handle the other panelists and the anchor. Hence a soft and firm voice and another that can roll in the mud with the opponents. Considering how things are shaping, and true to adage - female of the species is dangerous/aggressive; the female supporters of BJP are aggressive. Send in people like Ashok Malik ityadi along with Meenakshi et al. To counter Renuka Chowdry one needs Nirmala, to counter Rana Ayub one needs Smriti :mrgreen:

Man, Mani now absolutely hates Madhu.
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Priyanka to defend Gandhi fortress: Sonia's daughter takes charge of family boroughs as reports predict 'bleak' future for Congress
Priyanka has been looking after Rae Bareli, the constituency of her mother and Congress president Sonia Gandhi, for years. She has now taken over Congress affairs in Amethi, the parliamentary constituency of her brother and party vice-president Rahul Gandhi. The new arrangement also gives Priyanka the option of contesting from Rae Bareli while Sonia shifts to Sultanpur, something Congress sources say is a possibility if not a likelihood.

Sources say party strategists have decided to completely hand over the two constituencies to Priyanka so that her mother and brother can lead the charge aggressively elsewhere. Top Congress sources told Mail Today that Sonia and Rahul were alarmed by internal reports warning that the party could lose at least 17 of the 22 Lok Sabha seats it now holds from Uttar Pradesh in the forthcoming elections. Rae Bareli and Amethi are among the five confirmed seats for the party.
Yawn. But this caught my eye...
"We have come to know that Sanjay Singh, Congress MP from neighbouring Sultanpur, and Akhilesh Singh, a Peace Party MLA from Rae Bareli and former Congress leader, are in touch with Modi. They may join the BJP soon and rattle the local units of the Congress," said Narayan Mishra, a PCC member.

"On the other hand, the influence of Modi is growing all over the state. Congress leaders are not unaware of this. Obviously they need to make a fresh strategy to check Modi," he added. Inayatulla Rayani, former head of party's minority cell in Amethi, said: "We agree or disagree but Modi is a major threat. He can damage the Congress to some extent all over the country and to a large extent in Uttar Pradesh."
This is troubling. The dawn of wisdom and acceptance of reality among the enemy camp is always a cause for concern... No? I'd rather the INC high command continue to croon in its Dilli-billi cocoon right for as along as reality allows...
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Some BJP sources had claimed that NM may stand from Sultanpur.
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Hari Seldon wrote: Yawn. But this caught my eye...
"We have come to know that Sanjay Singh, Congress MP from neighbouring Sultanpur, and Akhilesh Singh, a Peace Party MLA from Rae Bareli and former Congress leader, are in touch with Modi. They may join the BJP soon and rattle the local units of the Congress," said Narayan Mishra, a PCC member.

"On the other hand, the influence of Modi is growing all over the state. Congress leaders are not unaware of this. Obviously they need to make a fresh strategy to check Modi," he added. Inayatulla Rayani, former head of party's minority cell in Amethi, said: "We agree or disagree but Modi is a major threat. He can damage the Congress to some extent all over the country and to a large extent in Uttar Pradesh."
This is troubling. The dawn of wisdom and acceptance of reality among the enemy camp is always a cause for concern... No? I'd rather the INC high command continue to croon in its Dilli-billi cocoon right for as along as reality allows...
Well that is true. But when the devastation is so big (22 dropping to 5) and when BJP has gotten ridden of the useless hawa leaders in the state and put Modi's team there, we have to expect that congress will realize it. But I agree with you, BJP should fool congress and let them live in fools paradise as long as possible
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Sri wrote:Some BJP sources had claimed that NM may stand from Sultanpur.
From what I heard Varun Gandhi was to contest from Sultanpur since it was once Sanjay Gandhi's seat and so on.
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Rebellion in the ranks

Ultimately, the redoubtable RSS may still succeed in bringing Chouhan to heel with a mix of appeasement and threat, but the damage has well and truly been done already to the party, which now appears divided and dissidence- prone.

What such brazen defiance of its own authority means for the RSS is quite another matter. The RSS has been unambiguous in its support for Modi and any backtracking on his name would be extremely damaging to RSS’ credibility.

Through all this, one person who has emerged as the wrecker- in- chief for the BJP, is ironically one who built the party brick by brick in its formative years— L. K. Advani. Behind Nitish Kumar and Shivraj Singh Chouhan’s bravado and the open dissent of the likes of ashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh, Shatrughan Sinha and Sudheendra Kulkarni, is this octogenarian leader who is piqued with the high command for having ignored his claim to the prime ministerial ‘ gaddi.’ Clearly, the BJP high command would have to tackle the growing tribe of Modi’s detractors, if the party is to have some measure of credibility as a viable alternative to the Congress.

Meeting the Congress challenge is no laughing matter. The BJP will have to close its ranks and come out strong and cohesive, if it is to pose an effective challenge to the Congress Party.


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Neoconverts like kishwar should be cautiously given importance, same as subbu swamy.

As long as RSS is firmly behind NM, I won't bother much. Naat to worry. But RSS backing can only keep him as PM nominee. It cannot ensure that he will be PM. No need to let go thi wave.

They should focus on winning as much power in lower rung of polity as possible.

Rest assuared, as long as they do not win MH, they cannot rule delhi. This has been the trend for last 300 years. And they cannot win in MH as of yet. Their victory is still some years away. They should persevere for it.

It is fun to see how this important factor is constantly underplayed by BJP supporters. They should use this wave to entrench themselves in all rungs of power except center. Do not rush for delhi. Unfortunately or fortunately, delhi is destined to be screwed. This is the tryst with the destiny which JLN dreamed off. And I do not see their efforts happening in a crucial state like MH. AP is still farther but MH is winable in shorter term, if they play it right and not take the short cut. If they win delhi, well and good. Else win as many states, gram panchayats, panchayat samitis, zila parishads, trade unions, universities as possible and make them impenetreable like GJ or MP. Sad they lost KN. power to win hearts and do some real good actually lies with states. Delhi will be then a natural outcome.
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Folks,
Question...are there any Congress MPs who are planning to switch to BJP.
IMO that is a good indicator of things to come.
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Neela wrote:Folks,
Question...are there any Congress MPs who are planning to switch to BJP.
IMO that is a good indicator of things to come.
I do not think of it as a good sign always. Switching MP kills the dream of a fledgling leader whom the switcher replaces, creating a bad blood. It is good only in those constituencies with minimal OR declining party presence. Usually switche happen in ascending constituencies. This creates bad blood. It should be treated with utmost care taking in mind the aspirations of rising local leaders. I have seen so many spirited men in MH being disillusioned and leaving the side of light because the party compromised a lot during pramod mahajan era and gave tickets to some swithchers. It is most painful to watch a spirited savarkaraite joining INC, because this is what he learns. That politics is about blackmailing and leveraging one's position to highest bidder. Switchers switch again. The grass root riser usually sticks around for longer.
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Atri wrote:. Switching MP kills the dream of a fledgling leader whom the switcher replaces, creating a bad blood. It is good only in those constituencies with minimal OR declining party presence. Usually switche happen in ascending constituencies. This creates bad blood. It should be treated with utmost care taking in mind the aspirations of rising local leaders. I have seen so many spirited men in MH being disillusioned and leaving the side of light because the party compromised a lot during pramod mahajan era and gave tickets to some swithchers. .
This is precisely what happened in Kkta as well. Shortcuts dont work.
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Good point .
Thanks Atri,Sanku.
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Arvind Kejriwal in all his full glory in his real colors

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?client=ms-r ... pg1&whp=30
Kejriwal justifies demand for probe into Batla House encounter

MOHAMMAD ALI

Days after he termed the Batla House encounter “fake”, Aam Aadmi Party leader Arvind Kejriwal on Wednesday rejected the allegation of “appeasing Muslims” and has justified demands for an impartial inquiry into the shootout between Special Cell personnel and alleged terrorists.

Mr. Kejriwal’s demand has come on the eve of verdict in a case pertaining to the alleged encounter. While similar demands for a probe in the matter had been raised in the past, no inquiry was conducted as the Government felt that it would demoralise the police force.

In an open letter addressed to the nation, titled ‘Politics of Brotherhood’, Mr. Kejriwal has raised several questions. “(Also) in case of Batla House, several people raised a doubt if those youths needed to be killed or could they have been arrested alive? If they were terrorists, it was very important to arrest them and reach their handlers. But if they were innocent, shouldn’t the police personnel present be punished,” he asked.

“A brave police officer Mohan Chand Sharma lost his life in the call of duty. How did he die and under what circumstances? Does demanding impartial investigation into this matter tantamount to Muslim appeasement,” he further asked.

The AAP leader was responding to criticism of another open letter he wrote on July 12 in which he had raised issues of Muslim youths being implicated in false terror cases. Specifically, he questioned those who accused him of “appeasing Muslims” on the issue of Batla House and Ishrat Jahan encounters.

“How does demanding an impartial investigation into the Ishrat Jahan issue become Muslim appeasement? All that we are demanding is an impartial investigation? Isn’t it needed?” he asked.

In his earlier letter to Muslims he had promised that AAP will raise the issue of communal witch-hunt by the police. “Today’s Muslims live in terror. Why Muslims are treated like tenants in their own country? Several youths of the community are implicated in false cases of terror and are kept in jail for decades. But then, they are acquitted in the absence of evidence. This has happened with thousands of Muslim youth. One can imagine how this destroys their and their families’ lives,” he said.

“If they were terrorists, it was important to arrest them and reach their handlers”

“Does demanding an impartial probe into this matter tantamount to Muslim appeasement”
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Why and what phor is Chandan Mitra, the BJP , Yumm Pea, shooting himself and party in the foot ji, by asking Amartya Sen to return the Bharat Ratna.

He rightly got b*tch slapped by Sen, who said, that it was the BJP led NDA that gave it to him and it was handed over to him by Mr Vajpayee and if Vajpayee asks him to return it, he will do so !

Prof Sen, despite whatever differences we have with him, has to be respected for his work. He is entitled to his opinions, we can say that he is now being a Charlatan and Quack and debate with him logically and respectfully and of course agree to disagree . But this kind of childish peevishness is simply too much and self defeating na ?
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vina wrote:Why and what phor is Chandan Mitra, the BJP , Yumm Pea, shooting himself and party in the foot ji, by asking Amartya Sen to return the Bharat Ratna.

He rightly got b*tch slapped by Sen, who said, that it was the BJP led NDA that gave it to him and it was handed over to him by Mr Vajpayee and if Vajpayee asks him to return it, he will do so !

Prof Sen, despite whatever differences we have with him, has to be respected for his work. He is entitled to his opinions, we can say that he is now being a Charlatan and Quack and debate with him logically and respectfully and of course agree to disagree . But this kind of childish peevishness is simply too much and self defeating na ?
Irrespective of Chandan Mitra correctness in asking back the BR, after Sen has jumped into the political debate, he is not above examination. It is one thing to be an intellectual giving policy prescriptions as one deems fit but after making partisan public comments, BJP and every Indian citizen has every right to question him and his views (not limited by economics acumen of the person who is questioning).
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Sanku wrote:Arvind Kejriwal in all his full glory in his real colors

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?client=ms-r ... pg1&whp=30
The courts are all really corrupt now because Delhi court says the encounter is no fake. The only court that is not corrupt is Supreme Court because it helps congress line. The worst court is Allahbad court because it gave RJB verdict in favor of Ram
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vina wrote:Prof Sen, despite whatever differences we have with him, has to be respected for his work. He is entitled to his opinions, we can say that he is now being a Charlatan and Quack and debate with him logically and respectfully and of course agree to disagree . But this kind of childish peevishness is simply too much and self defeating na ?
Call to return the Bharat Ratna is going a bit too far (unless charges of fraud are proven at Nalanda Univ) - but that doesn't mean his work has to be respected....Most especially if his opinions may well result in impoverishment of many millions in India !! Come on , Vina you know this well.

He also needs to explain what his statement on Christian faith schools in London meant and how that compares to the Indian situation - otherwise there are fundamental questions on his thinking skills outside of his focus area.
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SwamyG wrote:
RamaY wrote:^ this is the debate SwamyG garu was talking about...
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ion/284320
SwamyG garu, like in Indo-pak cricket matches where 11 Indians play with 13 pakis (2 umpires), BJP supporters have to be prepared to play against the news channel anchors/moderators as well. If there are audience, that makes it even worse for they are pre-screened.
I have been advocating that BJP send at least 2 to each show and not one. And BJP seems to have read my post on BRF {ego boost} :mrgreen: One person cannot handle the other panelists and the anchor. Hence a soft and firm voice and another that can roll in the mud with the opponents. Considering how things are shaping, and true to adage - female of the species is dangerous/aggressive; the female supporters of BJP are aggressive. Send in people like Ashok Malik ityadi along with Meenakshi et al. To counter Renuka Chowdry one needs Nirmala, to counter Rana Ayub one needs Smriti :mrgreen:
Man, Mani now absolutely hates Madhu.
Add Kiron Kher to the list.
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I said this 10 years ago and got abused in the choicest terms on BRF for this. I did more pathbreaking analysis every week at my job than Amartya Sen has done in his whole career (and I am not a particularly good analyst). If the fact that supply does not create its demand, the fact that Indians tend to be argumentative, and the fact that there is a distinction between law and justice (and justice is a good thing) are massive insights to you, then yes Amartya Sen is an intellectual giant. I knew these things with conviction at age 20 and suspected all this strongly by age 12. Could have written books ion these 3 topics by age 25 if I didnt think they are achingly obvious. What this a****** (and Amartya Sen's conduct in his financial matters and policy prescriptions make him deserve this epithet), has done is write books like this for the West where for the average college graduate emerging market economics and Indian civilization are a mystery and impressed the pants of them by stating well known facts with a Harvard and Cambridge stamps.

And since he is a Bong, Bengali chauvinism has adopted him as its latest poster boy, since Bengal has been singularly devoid of academic and scientific achievements lately, in stark contrast to its glory till the first half of 20th century.
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Follow what Mamta did to Bengali politics.
First she was laughed at by commies when her party won very few seats, then they harassed her when she won some. When people got fed up with commies, she got a landslide victory, which even commies did not see it coming. Through all those years of failure, she never lost focus and kept the issues alive. BJP may be passing through phase 2. Keep focussing on issues till you succeed. After victory never emulate Mamta though..
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vina wrote:Prof Sen, despite whatever differences we have with him, has to be respected for his work.
what work is that?

vayalukku vanthana? naathu nattana? :rotfl:
He is entitled to his opinions,
yes and he is rightly being criticised for it. including calls for recalling BR. he should have kept his dignity. if he comes down and involves himself in politics, why for the other party should give him dignity?
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[quote="Gus"
vayalukku vanthana? naathu nattana? :rotfl:

[/quote]

Good one.
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^^^
What is the meaning of the above proverb?
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Batla verdict has gone in "communal" way today. INC and Diggi raja may have a lot to explain in Azamgarh and to innocent Muslims. SP will make full use of it. With Modi and SP clear polarization in UP may damage INC and even BSP with Bramins moving back to BJP. Modi team has to plan this carefully. This judgment may be a major factor in 2014
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Gus wrote:
vayalukku vanthana? naathu nattana? :rotfl:
Saar, please do translate.
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Sanku wrote:Arvind Kejriwal in all his full glory in his real colors

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?client=ms-r ... pg1&whp=30
Kejriwal justifies demand for probe into Batla House encounter

MOHAMMAD ALI

Days after he termed the Batla House encounter “fake”, Aam Aadmi Party leader Arvind Kejriwal on Wednesday rejected the allegation of “appeasing Muslims” and has justified demands for an impartial inquiry into the shootout between Special Cell personnel and alleged terrorists.
Is it really bad for India if AK is reaching out to Muslim votes by showing his compassion for the "brotherhood"? His emergence in this form will only eat into the sickular vote bank for which we already know there are one too many contenders.
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Meaning US gave a loan to India, that must be used to train selected dhimmis in US under their control and when India pays that loan back, the conversion rate is 4times. Exactly how "vetti=slavery thru loan" used to work in India during the Gloriant British ways.
Although it seems plausible, but considering that most of these dhimmis have leftist(almost marxist/communist) tendencies, I fail to see how could they have been trained in US and that too in the height of US-USSR cold war? Something's amiss in this theory.
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M.Joshi most of the Lefties are trained in Ivy league schools in US. Columbia Uty in particular.

The idea is to coopt the non-Communist Left. it was a very big worldwide program thru the 60s.
Modi is talking of the PL-480 funds and Fulbright scholarships.

Vikram Sarabhai tried to counter with his own "Peace Corps" but died soon after.
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ramana wrote:Vikram Sarabhai tried to counter with his own "Peace Corps" but died soon after.
Did they coopt his daughter in retaliation ? :wink:
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Sri wrote:
Gus wrote:
vayalukku vanthana? naathu nattana? :rotfl:
Saar, please do translate.
it is from the movie 'veera pandiya katta bomman' - about a chieftain, played by Sivaji Ganesan. When demanded of tributes by a Britisher, Jackson, he gives a famous dialogue of why he should be giving tribute. Did you come to the fields with us and did you plant the seeds with us? or did you grind turmeric for our women that play there?

translations do not do justice to Sivaji's delivery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKI0IJY5jp8
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