Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Jul 2013 08:45

I see sinister moves at play as part of the transition culminating in 2014 elections. Please ask your friends/family to be alert, especially in Hyd.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jul 2013 09:11

Now its Hindus!

Meanwhile TOI reports Kurnool aka YSR District and Ananthapur also throw in for free.Wonder what it will do to the local mix.

NEW DELHI: Disregarding opposition to Telangana from its ranks, the Congress added new urgency to the creation of the proposed state by deciding to hold consultations with UPA partners and calling the meeting of its apex decision-making body — Congress working committee (CWC) — on the vexed issue next week.

A discussion with the UPA partners is likely on July 29 or 30, and the CWC could meet on the same or the following day. The decision to call the partners is seen as the clear indication that the Congress may have made up his mind despite continuing opposition from party leaders hailing from non-Telangana regions in Andhra Pradesh.

The party managers discussed the vexed issue on Saturday, a day after it was conveyed to state leaders that a decision had been taken to divide Andhra.

The indication of twin meetings in the coming three days came even as four Union ministers advocating United Andhra met PM Manmohan Singh and urged him to stall the decision on statehood which they warned would create a mess.

The decision to carve out Telangana has been clinched but, sources said, the leadership is still discussing the final contours — like including two districts of Rayalaseema — of the proposed state.

It might be called Hyderabad state

The Rayala-Telangana proposal would include Kurnool and Ananthapur districts, and make Telangana a 12-district state. The proposal is seen by insiders as politically significant since it would considerably alter the social demographics of Telangana.

Sources said the population of Muslims in Telangana would go up by 2% while that of dalits would also increase if Kurnool and Ananthapur districts are made part of Telangana. The minorities and SCs are part of traditional Congress votebase and the party feels it would help its political cause.

Also, increasing the share of Muslims in Telangana would allay the fears of those sections who feel the proposed state could lead to the growth of BJP that is also promising statehood.

However, the critical reason, as claimed by experts, is the inclusion of two districts would do away with the need for water-sharing of Krishna river that passes through Rayalaseema districts.

If Rayala-Telangana gets the nod, the state may be called the "Hyderabad state". The nomenclature is loaded given that it would convey that the capital city is an integral part of the new state.

The feverish pitch of developments sent four Union ministers opposed to creation of Telangana to the doorsteps of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday morning.

KS Rao, Chiranjeevi, Pallam Raju and D Purandeswari told the PM that Congress should not divide the state for short-term political gains and warned it would create a mess. PM Singh is learnt to have assured the bunch of Andhra ministers that he would apprise the leadership about their apprehensions.

The meeting came after ministers in Andhra government told the four that they should still try to convince the leadership against statehood for Telangana. The state ministers have announced that they would not like to be against the public sentiment in coastal and Rayalaseema regions and would tender their resignations if the announcement is made. They think their winnability would go down in 2014 if Telangana is created.

However, the mild protest from Union ministers, well short of resignation threats as against what was said by the Andhra ministers, showed they were reconciled to the leadership's decision.

{Param Eunuchs among other eunuchs!}

While concern about a backlash in Andhra region looms, reflected in the fears of Union ministers, Congress has done a cost-benefit analysis based on its condition in the state with 42 Lok Sabha seats.

The reaction of Chandrababu Naidu's TDP may decide if the Congress would be cornered in the non-Telangana regions on the sensitive issue. YSR Congress has begun to position itself to polarize anti-Telangana region against Congress, with 16 of its 17 MLAs tendering resignations last week when it became clear that carve-up of the state was on its way.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jul 2013 09:15

UPA is minority govt surviving with help of allies that are blackmailed by CBI to browbeat them. This decision is as valid as the 'secualrism' in the Indian Constitution during Emergency.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 28 Jul 2013 09:16

^^^
yup, what did I say in one of the previous posts: dividing Seema is crucial in making sure that the Water-wars don't break out. it keeps both sides balanced. and makes sure that the hotheads are checked in their fantasies.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 28 Jul 2013 09:21

ramana wrote:Now its Hindus!

Meanwhile TOI reports Kurnool aka YSR District and Ananthapur also throw in for free.Wonder what it will do to the local mix.

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However, the critical reason, as claimed by experts, is the inclusion of two districts would do away with the need for water-sharing of Krishna river that passes through Rayalaseema districts.

If Rayala-Telangana gets the nod, the state may be called the "Hyderabad state". The nomenclature is loaded given that it would convey that the capital city is an integral part of the new state.

The feverish pitch of developments sent four Union ministers opposed to creation of Telangana to the doorsteps of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday morning.

KS Rao, Chiranjeevi, Pallam Raju and D Purandeswari told the PM that Congress should not divide the state for short-term political gains and warned it would create a mess. PM Singh is learnt to have assured the bunch of Andhra ministers that he would apprise the leadership about their apprehensions.

The meeting came after ministers in Andhra government told the four that they should still try to convince the leadership against statehood for Telangana. The state ministers have announced that they would not like to be against the public sentiment in coastal and Rayalaseema regions and would tender their resignations if the announcement is made. They think their winnability would go down in 2014 if Telangana is created.

However, the mild protest from Union ministers, well short of resignation threats as against what was said by the Andhra ministers, showed they were reconciled to the leadership's decision.
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the red highlights are mine. the "mild protest" is also not surprising to me. we should not get too emotional if we want to get the real picture. the elites have their own dance to play. and they are dancing alright. the overt protestations are not the real picture. the internal assessment is quite different. they might be "happy" on a certain level that this is happening. kind of like a feeling of a "burden relieved".

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Jul 2013 09:26

So RT loses any access to Bay of Bengal and kosta becomes lower riperian. Both are going to be dependent on each other. Recall that "mAsuli" (machilI paTTaNam or bandaru) used to be kAkatIya sAmrajya rEvu paTTaNam). The erstwhile naizAm rAjyamu also included bandaru, IIRC.
If this comes to pass, all of us in our extended family would be waking up on Aug 6th to a new reality.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jul 2013 09:53

MatrimC, Are you linked to Bandaru? Any connections to Hindu College admins?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 28 Jul 2013 10:09

Q: When has the bifurcation of a large state not helped the bifurcatee and bifurcated ?
e.g: Erstwhile PEPSU, MP, UP , Bihar , Madras Presidency, Bombay Presidency...

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Jul 2013 10:29

ramana wrote:MatrimC, Are you linked to Bandaru? Any connections to Hindu College admins?

No. But love bandaru laddu. Let us say a part of my family would be celebrating T and the other part would be a little sad. I am from a district where Vishwanatha garu worked as degree college principal just around the time he started writing vEyi paDagalu. I think he was also influenced by lambADi milieu in his mA bAbu. That book has some elements from Great Expectations as well.

I will relate some of experiences from all the three region of AP (hopefully we can say that in the foreseeable future as well) in the near future.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jul 2013 20:46

EC prepares for early polls, orders 2 lakh more EVMs

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ec-pr ... um=twitter

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jul 2013 22:11

I ma thinking that we need a new thread on AP politics and runup to 2014. If there is a desire for it we can start it.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Jul 2013 01:18

ramana wrote:I ma thinking that we need a new thread on AP politics and runup to 2014. If there is a desire for it we can start it.

Please do if it is okay. Otherwise the threads get will get a single topic focus

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 29 Jul 2013 01:25

it might also lead to flame wars.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Jul 2013 02:13

-Deleted- duplicate post

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jul 2013 02:15

It will confine to that thread and make it easy for admins.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Jul 2013 02:45

devesh wrote:also, division of AP is probably not just about AP. in 2014, INC is likely to sweep Telangana with this move. it is also likely to post a strong show in TN -- reasons should be somewhat obvious, but let's not go there. -peace-

Why would INC become strong in TN? Are you referring to deep southern TN that has sizable Christian vote block? And that INC would broker a split of TN in those lines, and getting that Christian block? Is that the obvious reasons you are referring? Other than that remote possibility there is no reason why INC will grow strong based on existing situations.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 29 Jul 2013 02:58

^^^ no, that's not what I meant. I'll edit my post and take it out. sorry for bringing that in...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jul 2013 06:18

OK, Looks like a thread on AP politics and 2014 is needed to keep this thread focussed.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Jul 2013 15:56

Per all the news, in W.Bengal Mamta swept the local body election. Could anyone post the details? Thanks

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 29 Jul 2013 16:20

Except Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri( all the four districts of North Bengal) MB has swept all the other districts....This is a huge victory....All the Hindu Districts like Bardhaman,Hoogly,Purulia,Midnapore,Birbhum,North 24 Pargana has been swept by MB......

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 29 Jul 2013 16:22

Samudragupta wrote:Except Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri( all the four districts of North Bengal) MB has swept all the other districts.....

Is it true that Mamta Banerjee and Co adopted the same tactic used by commies (i.e thuggery) against them efficiently this time?

. In that case it is even more better. Nothing more like beating commies in their own game.

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 29 Jul 2013 16:37

Sachin wrote:
Samudragupta wrote:Except Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri( all the four districts of North Bengal) MB has swept all the other districts.....
Is it true that Mamta Banerjee and Co adopted the same tactic used by commies (i.e thuggery) against them efficiently this time? . In that case it is even more better. Nothing more like beating commies in their own game.

Certain amount of muscle is used but the administration worked properly this time

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Jul 2013 18:02

Samudragupta wrote:Except Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri( all the four districts of North Bengal) MB has swept all the other districts....This is a huge victory....All the Hindu Districts like Bardhaman,Hoogly,Purulia,Midnapore,Birbhum,North 24 Pargana has been swept by MB......

Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur are Muslim strongholds but Jalpaiguri is not. What about Birbhum and South 24 Pargana.

Is it a vote along religious lines? Or is this only a begining? If it is then it is makes for one more of my hypothesis that Hindus can get polarized vs. the minority community, behind non Saffron parties too.

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 29 Jul 2013 18:32

ravi_g wrote:
Samudragupta wrote:Except Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri( all the four districts of North Bengal) MB has swept all the other districts....This is a huge victory....All the Hindu Districts like Bardhaman,Hoogly,Purulia,Midnapore,Birbhum,North 24 Pargana has been swept by MB......
Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur are Muslim strongholds but Jalpaiguri is not. What about Birbhum and South 24 Pargana.

Is it a vote along religious lines? Or is this only a begining? If it is then it is makes for one more of my hypothesis that Hindus can get polarized vs. the minority community, behind non Saffron parties too.

Regarding Jalpaiguri...there seems to be a backlash among the Bengali and the tribals against MB's outreach to Gurkhas.......the general sense is that those districts with significant Muslim population it was harder for TMC...its true for both Howrah ,South 24 Pargana as well as Nadia district....there is a general wash up of TMC in Murshidabad....

But one thing is for sure rural Hindu is with MB.....MB has swept Lalgarh and the Maoist dens in the Western jungle (Jungle mahal)

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Jul 2013 20:44

It is very clear, INC will be doing most cruel stuff in the next coming days. Even with a INC sweep in Telangana, INC total tally is not going beyond 140 per any kind of internal and external surveys. They are now on screw everyone mission. Mamta will hold the forte in WB it looks like. Left is as good as dead in WB.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 30 Jul 2013 00:29

Could someone clarify what/who "MB" is?

James B · Post by **James B** » 30 Jul 2013 01:04

Shonu wrote:Could someone clarify what/who "MB" is?

Mamta Banerjee.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 30 Jul 2013 01:35

James B wrote:
Shonu wrote:Could someone clarify what/who "MB" is?
Mamta Banerjee.

C'mon boss, she changed her name a while ago to Mamta Begum

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 30 Jul 2013 09:06

ravi_g wrote:
Samudragupta wrote:Except Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri( all the four districts of North Bengal) MB has swept all the other districts....This is a huge victory....All the Hindu Districts like Bardhaman,Hoogly,Purulia,Midnapore,Birbhum,North 24 Pargana has been swept by MB......
Malda,Murshidabad,North Dinajpur are Muslim strongholds but Jalpaiguri is not. What about Birbhum and South 24 Pargana.

Is it a vote along religious lines? Or is this only a begining? If it is then it is makes for one more of my hypothesis that Hindus can get polarized vs. the minority community, behind non Saffron parties too.

There were reports that there was (at least to some extent) polarisation for the Communists in KL due to the aggressive pro-minority stance of the Congress alliance.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 30 Jul 2013 10:56

All Bengali pro-Hindu forces including the goonda types active during riots and bashing up Commies in the 60-70s are with the TMC. Hope this will stop Mamata from pretending to be more leftist than the CPI-M and do some good work. TMC did use muscle power according to reports. Mamata begum is more opportunistic than ideological. Her family was kicked out from Bdesh and were refugees and still live in a small hovel in Kolkata. She is not like the elitist FC refugees who became Commie and started abusing Hindus, Hinduism and India after being kicked out. Hopefully once and if the Commies start disappearing from WB she will drop the leftist rants and agendas in WB.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 30 Jul 2013 10:59

abhik wrote:There were reports that there was (at least to some extent) polarisation for the Communists in KL due to the aggressive pro-minority stance of the Congress alliance.

I tend to agree with you. The current KL Government is doing a trapeze dance every day. For them to land up in such a mess, it was mainly because of leftists still getting a larger share of the votes (courtesy Com. V.S Achu). The polarization of Hindu votes are going to increase, especially with the cheap gimmicks of the Muslim League ministers (who are the de-facto runners of the current govt.). For many people the other alternative are the commies. BJP any way does not have any say in Kerala. The commies also seem to have a hidden diktat going around that they should now try to entrench themselves in Temple administration boards/councils. Yeah, the reason they say outside is to ensure that RSS does not get a hold there. Secularism should be protected.

James B · Post by **James B** » 30 Jul 2013 15:22

Ok. Telangana decision taken.

‘Sushma congratulates PM over Telangana decision’

BJP Andhra Pradesh Chief G Kishan Reddy may have just given away the UPA government’s decision on the division of Andhra Pradesh.

Speaking to local media in Hyderabad, Reddy said senior BJP leader Sushma Swaraj telephoned Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and discussed the stance of BJP on a separate Telangana state.

The PM apprised Sushma of the decision the government was going to take later today, post which Sushma Swaraj congratulated Singh.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/telan ... 95733.html

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 30 Jul 2013 17:57

Times Now-CVoter Opinion Poll: Congress Clear Loser but BJP still Far from Victory

We could end up with a Lok Sabha in which, for the first time, the single largest party has less than one-fourth of the 543 seats and no front has even a third. That is what would happen if elections were held now, according to a Times Now-CVoter opinion poll. It projects that the NDA would win 156 seats with the BJP getting 131 of them, while the UPA would win 136 with the Congress pegged to 119.

The poll estimated that the 'Third Front' , which includes the Left, Samajwadi Party, RJD, TDP, BJD and some other regional parties, would win 129 seats and the 'Fourth Front' , including the BSP, Trinamool Congress, AIADMK and others, would win 122. In short, the elections are projected to end up as a fairly even four-way split, though some of these formations like the Third and Fourth Fronts are not really firmly established , at least as of now, and others may also morph in the coming months.

If the predictions come true, the AIADMK, SP, BSP, Left and Trinamool would each have between 22 and 33 seats. With the two big national parties put together not winning even half of the seats, the regional bosses would really be able to call the shots in such a scenario.

Among the bigger states, the poll projects SP and BSP between them winning threefourths of the 80 seats in UP, with the SP picking up 33 and the BSP 27.

The Congress, which won 21 seats in the state in 2009, is projected to win just five in 2014 and the BJP is estimated to gain just a couple of seats to get 12.

http://2014-elections-in-india.blogspot.co.uk/

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 30 Jul 2013 18:21

All this 3rd front 4th front is garbage. They are just trying to convince the voter that NDA doesn't have a chance with Modi. If Congress can't than BJP can't either. Scorched earth policy onlee.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Jul 2013 18:25

and thats why INC is sitting pretty with RG enjoying a sound sleep. they know the NCP, Patnaik, SP, BSP, Nikumma and Trinamool are in the bag with a mix of threats, bailout packages and share of spoils..old carrot and stick approach. Left will sit out but "support from outside to keep communal forces out of power".

only the Akalis, AIADMK and SS would probably count as BJP's firm allies.

we are likely to be condemned to another 5 years of economic failure and attacks on indian culture.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Jul 2013 18:26

1st-Front a.k.a UPA - Congress-A team that is part of the alliance BEFORE elections
3rd-Front - Congress-B team that will join the Govt AFTER elections
4th-Front - Congress-C team that will support congress from OUTSIDE and also prevent any opposition of Congress from coming to power.

Like CBN's campaign of "Talli Congress, Pilla Congress" (YSR Congress is child/pilla-congress of the INC which is mother/talli-congress), BJP need to start a national campaign that explains this to urban/rural voters. Vote for 3rd front parties is nothing but vote for UPA.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Jul 2013 18:28

your definitions nails it perfectly.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Jul 2013 22:11

Nitish considering clubbing Bihar assembly polls with LS polls?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 00861.aspx

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 31 Jul 2013 07:47

BJP woos DMDK and PMK for 2014 polls
Do not know what is happening here. Is this an attempt to force JJ to make early calls or side with BJP? Or does this mean amma is out of picture?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Jul 2013 07:53

Times now poll is a bear minimum that BJP will get in case Modi magic is totally absent in UP and Bihar. A possibility that cannot be pushed away.