Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Aug 2013 00:23

the way many infighting BJPwalas (shatru to lka) are playing, it appears that 5 more years of MMS with a pulley-chain relationship from sonia is certain.. there are people, who are still in the bronze age... quite a size that is.. modi should focus on youth crowd, and those who generally stay away from politics.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Aug 2013 00:29

Kejriwal is losing some ground in Dilli due to his current controveries in sickularism. few have left his party and gone elsewhere.
some are unhappy. furious maalishimg going on inside the party.

seems AK is seriously donning the safed topis to show he is the whitesest of white sickular person.

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in some other news some are speculating whether Kiran bedi will come into BJP and made the Cm candidate.
of course it looks too late to be true.
Goel is loh purush acolyte doing everything to give congi another victory unless he is kicked out.

politics will be the art of impossible. If NaMo can do some here it will set cat amongst congi pigeons.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Aug 2013 01:06

Luckily whole gang of Loh Purush, including this Mithai Purush, is out of loop in BJP.

PM candidate should be named after polls: Jaswant Singh

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/pm ... 66467.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Aug 2013 01:09

geeth wrote:
They will try to take him out before he occupies the throne. Delhi will become a fortress.Seeing what is happening Andhra due Telengana bifurcation, I shudder to think what would happen to India if such unfortunate event happens...

Dilli Billies are too snake smart to commit collective suicide facing Bharti people.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 04 Aug 2013 01:12

People who are making statements about PM candidate are the ones not invited for dinner. It is sad to see a person of Jaswant Singh's stature make stupid statements like PM candidate after polls. Why would someone have a PM candidate after polls? Would there not be a real PM after polls?

It is pretty obvious for any unbiased observer who is the PM candidate for BJP, this is what Ashok Malik also retorted to Burkha, when she asked about this topic.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Aug 2013 01:53

I am not convinced about Modi going to Seemandhra region when the tempers are very high. Those people just hate BJP because of often repeated and irritating statements from LKA, Sushma etc. They go there and give statements such as " we will give Telangana on day one after return to power". He as a representative of Seemandhra going to that region will get tomatoes and chappals. It will be made as a joke all over the media. I hope better sense prevail and skip the region.

satya · Post by **satya** » 04 Aug 2013 02:23

People doing disco on streets & rupee at attractive levels to bring in 'FDI' for 'investment' in Indian Election Industry . Things will get back to normal in 2014 = UPA-3 ( whtever its new name will be) so now is good time for any money transfers to India .

Watch out for rupee , its move is in sync with INC's fortune ( rupee fall was steep to ensure an attractive rate for our neta's FDI in India ) . INC in power is in sync with Kalyug dharma . NaMojee's victory slows down the full arrival of Kalyug Dharama but can not stop it .

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Aug 2013 02:26

then it is the right time for modi to challenge kangrez folks to give a speech at a seemandhra place first!

btw, how does rupee devaluation helps FDI and long term growth? it only looks big in numbers, but time & material value increases correspondingly.. this is not like shooting at foot, but knee.

satya · Post by **satya** » 04 Aug 2013 02:34

FDI-economy-national interest has no value for those in power ( had it been so India's first family would have been long exiled ) . This is for aam janta's disco = media discussion nothing else.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 04 Aug 2013 08:03

prahaar wrote:People who are making statements about PM candidate are the ones not invited for dinner. It is sad to see a person of Jaswant Singh's stature make stupid statements like PM candidate after polls. Why would someone have a PM candidate after polls? Would there not be a real PM after polls?

It is pretty obvious for any unbiased observer who is the PM candidate for BJP, this is what Ashok Malik also retorted to Burkha, when she asked about this topic.

In the election that brought NDA-1 to power, the slogan was "Abki baari, Atal Behari".

So Jaswant Singh is being disingenous when he says that in our Parliamentary system, the PM candidate is never declared before elections.

Even in the British parliamentary syatem that all these oldies are so enamored of, everybody knows who the PM candidates of Labour and Conservative parties are before the elections.

I think all these oldies in BJP need some chappal-pooja from the party workers.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Aug 2013 08:25

Many of the bhajapa oldies were at one time crowd pullers or at least capable of winnning some seats on their own and influencing neighbouring ones at least.

They all feel NaMo should pay more respect to them for they think they defended him during 2002 and later. NaMo despite paying his customary respects is not treated properly by these whiners. However NaMo is made of sterner stuff who has come out in flying colours not depending on these folks.

Now the very same oldies are out in sync with new generation. Also kind a feel they have been pushed into a corner. hence the periodic

They are now a drag on the party.
They dont believe in silently going with the wishes of the people and help all.

In some ways - theory of evolution- stronger ones prevail, weak and older ones refuse to go away unless kicked hard.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Aug 2013 08:26

from mithai wala to i-run man, from party to party have oldies.. there is dearth of olides in kangrezy paty too. something needs to be done on the babooze age soon. they can't be politically active beyond certain age.. respectfully retire at 70 max.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Aug 2013 09:38

The old warhorses probably need some ego-massage. If that was all that was required, then am sure NM's astute cost/benefit calculations would have no problems in indulging some age-ing egos.

However, it seems that its more than mere ego-massage the oldies seek.

They want power, more than just a say in running the campaign, ticket distribution, post poll spoils-sharing etc. Then, their meddling becomes counter-productive to the primary purpose of maximizing voteshare and setas for the BJP. And the cost/benefit calc goes haywire.

Hence, NM is not engaging them, IMO.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 04 Aug 2013 09:42

All those who were in ABV cabinet would want to be in cabinet posts again if the BJP comes to power. That would happen under an LKA PM-ship, but they know it won't happen under Modi as PM.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Aug 2013 09:46

allow some leeway to the oldies for their rhona and dhona

now in right earnest BJP planning mission 272+.

http://www.india272.com/

"If there are no dreams then how will there be a determination to achieve them"

alo kitab e chehcra abd teeta in full swing.

many party workers and part time folks are actively involved in campaign.

Of course, all are doing voluntarily as there is no mnrega like congis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Aug 2013 09:50

SaiK wrote:then it is the right time for modi to challenge kangrez folks to give a speech at a seemandhra place first!

btw, how does rupee devaluation helps FDI and long term growth? it only looks big in numbers, but time & material value increases correspondingly.. this is not like shooting at foot, but knee.

Most FDI in India is neta/bania black money coming back thru Doobai, Mauritius and Macau. So if rupee crashes they get better value when they bring back their money.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Aug 2013 15:58

we should move to a complete credit card/direct bank transfer transactions for anything greater than 20k/day. some kind of restrictions, where people are not given that ability to do black.. major sector imho is the RE sector.. where the black runs from 30% dishonesty to all the way 80%. cash transactions should seize.

even hard labor market should move to banks.. people should move to plastic.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 04 Aug 2013 16:49

Why Narendra Modi should tour Telangana & Andhra now

Recent poll survey said BJP's share increased from 7% to 13% in Telangana after T-state announcement

In a surprising outcome (though not for the author), the recent OutLook India survey after the Telangana, announcement revealed that 13% preferred the BJP over the TDP. This figure is not insignificant in the backdrop of huge coverage that Chandrababu Naidu got in the local media in the past years. It is high time that the party capitalises the opportunity and who else than Modi can do it for them?

Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/feature/2013/wh ... 75663.html

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 04 Aug 2013 16:54

Another Congi plot to divide the Indians in the name of religion?
Shed some light please.

Modi’s move on Sikh farmers shows he is ‘anti-minorities’: Bajwa

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Aug 2013 17:05

ashashi wrote:Why Narendra Modi should tour Telangana & Andhra now

Recent poll survey said BJP's share increased from 7% to 13% in Telangana after T-state announcement

In a surprising outcome (though not for the author), the recent OutLook India survey after the Telangana, announcement revealed that 13% preferred the BJP over the TDP. This figure is not insignificant in the backdrop of huge coverage that Chandrababu Naidu got in the local media in the past years. It is high time that the party capitalises the opportunity and who else than Modi can do it for them?

Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/feature/2013/wh ... 75663.html

Some forces are trying to pull Modi into mess. All these survey are to make believe Modi's team. Touring Telangana is fine but touring Andhra is not advisable.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 04 Aug 2013 17:20

Interesting post on FB:

Someone's interesting take:
Reasons why Congress is winning for the past 65 years and why it will win in the future:
( A View Point)

Currently, on an average (over states) there are 15% Muslims, 8% Christians, 7% Others and 70% Hindus.
That is out of 100 people, there are 70 Hindus, 8 Christians, 15 Muslims and 7 Others.
Voter registration is as follows:
90% of Muslims, 90% Christians and 60% Hindus and 90% Others.
This means, that is out of 100 people, 42 Hindus, 14 Muslims, 7 Christians and 6 'Others' will Register for vote.

Now, interesting point
Out of the registered voters having voter ID or at least having interest in selecting their representative....
Have a look at the number of turnouts 50% Hindus will vote, 90% Muslims will vote, 90% Christians will vote and 90% others will vote
That is ultimately 21 Hindus will vote, 13 Muslims will vote, 6 Christians and 5 'Others' will vote during election and these people are responsible for selecting the representative and deciding the future of our Great India....

That is these, 45 people of total population. It is highly likely that out of 13 Muslims, 10 will vote for Congress,
Out of 6 Christians, 5 will vote for Congress and out of 5 others, 3 will vote for congress.
That is Congress will get 18 non Hindus votes, BJP may get 1 Muslim or Christian and 1 others vote.
That is BJP may get 2 non Hindu votes. Other parties, that are third front, may get 2 Muslim or Christian and 1 vote from others.
That is, 'Others' may get 3 non Hindu votes.
Coming to Hindu votes now Out of 21 Hindus. If 5 vote for Congress, 10 vote for BJP and 6 vote for other parties
Final result will be Congress 23 votes, BJP 12 votes, other parties will get 9 votes.
This has been the trend since 1990, therefore, Congress do not bother for Hindu vote.
Congress loses in States where the Muslims do not vote for them.
If Congress scares minority from majority, which is easy in the name of secularism, their 90% work is done....and they have been doing so.. religiously..
It is highly likely that the trend will continue and may vary by few percent and the Congress will remain in Power, as minority population increases, for the next 100 years..

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Aug 2013 17:37

^^^^
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very true.

In any well admired company, it is the percentage of well committed or well enagaged workers who believe in the brand promise. they create the brand and live it.

There are different types of workers-
1- not engaged
2- less engaged
3- engaged
4- more engaged
5- very much engaged.

It is the 5th type of workers who make or break companies.
2-4 are variants depending on their mood or whims and fancies. they can vary in their behaviour day to day.

1 are useless in the company.

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Amongst voters BJP has a lot of folks in all areas except 5. This is crucial in winning or losing elections.

Hence the constant refrain of NaMo to increase the %age of engaged voters.

This is also the reason for NaMo to win elections consistently in Gujarat despite lies by congi presstitutes including the GOI itself.

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To create the most engaged type of voters, company has to make the workers motivate to its ideals.

BJP has so far failed in this-- of course with consatnt bickering highlogted in big way by congi bootlickers it will scare 2-4 types from committing themselves to BJP.

Only NaMo has so far succeeded in instilling the confidence in voters that he will make a difference to their lives throughout his rule in Gujarat. he has made tangible results to their lives-- as simple as establishing peace, water supply, electricity, roads etc. basuc stuff never done before in independent India.

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congis job is easy-- non engaged voters from Hindus along with scaring tactics of minorities despite overwhelming evidence that minorities are more safer with BJP.
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If the most engaged voters 5) increases even a a few %gae points, it is curtains for congis regime in India.

NaMo has understood this perfectly when he gave a call for "congress mukt Bharat".

Hope the 5- most enagaged voters %age increases.

May Ram/allah/,yesu bless us.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 04 Aug 2013 18:03

^^
Can all of us on BRF at least take up the task of convincing at least 100 people each to register for voting and then influence them to appear on the voting day ?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Aug 2013 20:17

Great site exposing the AAP anti-national buffoons.

http://www.knowarvindkejriwal.com/

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Aug 2013 20:33

krisna wrote:allow some leeway to the oldies for their rhona and dhona

now in right earnest BJP planning mission 272+.

http://www.india272.com/
"If there are no dreams then how will there be a determination to achieve them"
alo kitab e chehcra abd teeta in full swing.

many party workers and part time folks are actively involved in campaign.

Of course, all are doing voluntarily as there is no mnrega like congis.

I request interested BR members to forward this website to their friends and start a chain to intro 3 people each to this website.

The intent is not to get members to the site but
- participate in one of the interest groups (there are many of them) and offer suggestions
- create awareness in urban India so they can be come part of national discussion and debate
- and work towards their goals thru political medium

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Aug 2013 20:36

NikhilB wrote:^^
Can all of us on BRF at least take up the task of convincing at least 100 people each to register for voting and then influence them to appear on the voting day ?

I have taken up this challenge. There are two approaches to it.

Introducing and convincing 100 people. And the second and most important one, IMHO, to adopt a booth and get 100+ people to vote, which I is most important.

I am going to try both.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Aug 2013 20:43

blind votes is of no use.. you may better encourage them to think in terms of future, and how we want to shape it.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Aug 2013 20:45

On BRF we don't want to endorse specific political parties naaa

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Aug 2013 21:19

Manish_Sharma wrote:
Murugan wrote:Some BG check on owaisis

What is this party for which Shri Raja Singh is speaking?

Usually red gandhi topi is mulayam's party.

Manish ji, you or some one asked who is this Raja Singh and if he is Andhraite. There is very long settled Lodh community in Hyderabad (Kalyan Singh/Uma Bharati are Lodhs). They live in Dholpur area of Hyderabad. They actually fought against Nizam and Razakars. Folklore says that during Razakar attacks, several Hindus have hiddent themselves in Dholpur areas of Hyderabad. They are most feared folks in Old city and they did not move away from Muslim dominated Old city as others ran away to better locations. This guy is now BJP and was with TDP sometime back. No one can change their basic instinct.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Aug 2013 21:21

RamaY wrote:On BRF we don't want to endorse specific political parties naaa

did not read that on any forum rules yet. btw, when you said "we", it is "you". only if you use the word "we", it becomes BRF. and the opinion on BRF, is not the responsibility of the web hosting entity.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 04 Aug 2013 22:02

Muppalla wrote:

Manish ji, you or some one asked who is this Raja Singh and if he is Andhraite. There is very long settled Lodh community in Hyderabad (Kalyan Singh/Uma Bharati are Lodhs). They live in Dholpur area of Hyderabad. They actually fought against Nizam and Razakars. Folklore says that during Razakar attacks, several Hindus have hiddent themselves in Dholpur areas of Hyderabad. They are most feared folks in Old city and they did not move away from Muslim dominated Old city as others ran away to better locations. This guy is now BJP and was with TDP sometime back. No one can change their basic instinct.

Thanks Mupalla ji, I had a very good feeling watching this video. Now that you've explained I can see why. The power from his words come from the strengh and veerta of his purvajs.

Thanks again.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Aug 2013 22:27

I think this whole Telangana issue is being used as smokescreen for the failing economy and to the heat off the center. IMF teams are supposedly in India. Something big may happen soon. Telengana if it does happen will take forever. Congress may be using this opportunity to make preparations to leave the country and/or secure their loot money. What better way to set the country on fire than dividing states without a concept of national unity besides for this stupid concept of secularism.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Aug 2013 22:31

^ bliss to note that GoAP has ~1L crore loans (not sure who gave what) and there will be a discussion on who owns what amount of what loans.

Truth will come out on all aspects; how was much of jalayajnam spent in Seemandhra, Telangana and how much was eaten by the YSR coterie, soon.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Aug 2013 23:05

RamaY wrote:^ bliss to note that GoAP has ~1L crore loans (not sure who gave what) and there will be a discussion on who owns what amount of what loans.

Truth will come out on all aspects; how was much of jalayajnam spent in Seemandhra, Telangana and how much was eaten by the YSR coterie, soon.

in the short term, the political powers will have more fires to put out than they can handle. MIM will fly under the radar. and the major powers with a stake: INC, YSRCP, TDP, TRS, will not want to touch them. simply b/c the prevailing wisdom is "they can be ignored. and when it suits our purpose, we can use them." big, big mistake. but nobody is in the mood to listen right now. entire scene is paranoia and chaos. same with the EJ's. both TDP and INC will ignore and think "we can use them for our purposes". YSRCP is out and out an EJ establishment anyway. TRS is the same mold as INC and TDP, on this issue.

we can see how both the long-term enemies will use this period to stay out of notice and shore up respective positions to eventually negotiate with each other on a virtual "division" of spoils. it remains to be seen how quickly they move in that direction.

but worst thing I fear is that any minds which show an inclination to reach beyond this petty game of personal-power-politics will be "taken care of". I do believe that the AP hindus have started seeing where things are headed, but I also fear that there is a strong layer of political naivete, simply b/c it's been a long, long time since the people here have had anything other than caste/clan to organize them. Communists were an exception and they did achieve a decent level of cross-caste mobilization, but how rapidly they disintegrated perhaps shows us the challenges and also the threat to any such attempts from the existing powers. TDP again proved capable of doing it, but the greed for caste-based accumulation under CBN, undid that movement too. YSR's was mostly a freebie-driven victory.

they are thinking and perhaps even preparing for a "war", but this "war" will not be organized on the lines that they think it will be. the old organizational thinking and tactics that were able to form relatively stable and powerful political balances will not work against the new threats that are rising. it will take different kind of thinking. this is where I worry. it might take some time, and "painful experiences" to change the thinking. I hope people don't get disheartened by the lack of immediate hoped for success. you cannot fight this new "war", while rooted in generations-older thinking. some amount of pain and retreat might be inevitable. but I hope it isn't.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 Aug 2013 00:29

RamaY wrote:
I have taken up this challenge. There are two approaches to it.

Introducing and convincing 100 people. And the second and most important one, IMHO, to adopt a booth and get 100+ people to vote, which I is most important.

I am going to try both.

"convincing" is not a problem. practically everybody i talk politics, want modi as PM. couple of hundred people may in the past few months, at all strata - relatives, friends at my circle, shopkeepers, barbers, lineman, garbage man.

they'll all vote admk..the power situation is better, we don't even get the 2 hr mandatory half the days now. it has improved vastly in rural areas, that were facing 14 plus hr cuts a year ago. she has all the bases covered, the poor (with subsidized food, veggies and employment schemes), and the voting sections of middle class, govt servants etc.

if things are trending as they are today, a clean sweep won't surprise me, even if dmk+inc+ vijaykant enter the field. I hear that bjp may woo dmdk and dmdk may bite, getting into a poll alliance with dmk is a death sentence these days..they are still unpopular.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 05 Aug 2013 01:41

RoyG wrote:I think this whole Telangana issue is being used as smokescreen for the failing economy and to the heat off the center. IMF teams are supposedly in India. Something big may happen soon. Telengana if it does happen will take forever. Congress may be using this opportunity to make preparations to leave the country and/or secure their loot money. What better way to set the country on fire than dividing states without a concept of national unity besides for this stupid concept of secularism.

Roy ji I have asked you a question here:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1491899

Would be great if you explain. TIA

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 05 Aug 2013 06:32

From Times Of India: Modi set to arrive in Hyderabad along with his holograms

HYDERABAD: Like in the Gujarat assembly polls held earlier this year, Narendra Modi is all set to grab eyeballs in the city by using the 3D holographic technology during the 'Narendra Modi Nav Bharath Yuva Bheri' meet at LB stadium on August 11.

The BJP has been collecting Rs 5 for passes to attend the meeting. "Initially, we thought over 50,000 youths would attend the conclave. But the response through the online registration is so overwhelming that the size of the audience would be three times more than expected," claimed BJP state president G Kishan Reddy. "As LB Stadium cannot accommodate so many, we are planning to organise 3D holographic projections at select places across the city," he added.

BJP state general secretary NVSS Prabhakar, who is among those in charge of the conclave, said over 15 locations had been identified for the holographic projections. Organisers are planning to install the equipment for the hi-definition projections at Necklace Road, Nizam College grounds, NTR Gardens and Indira Park where the crowds can view Modi for free.

While the projections can be either live or recorded, the state BJP has opted for live projection so that people can 'see' Modi address the stadium with other BJP leaders, including Venkaiah Naidu, Bandaru Dattatreya and Kishan Reddy seated on the dais. "The content of the 3D broadcast will be different this time. It was done from an Ahmedabad studio last time. But now it will be live. Several teething problems faced during the Gujarat assembly polls have been sorted out. The scale of the projection will be much bigger," said a source close to the project.

During the assembly polls, Modi had used the technology to simultaneously address gatherings at 53 locations and the campaign had even got a mention in the Guinness World Records for the most simultaneous broadcasts. While the Hyderabad public meeting would be limited to around 15 projections, the BJP leaders said they would go for hundred during the general elections when Modi would spearhead the campaign.

Interestingly, one of the company promoters, Nchant, which is providing technology service, is a Hyderabad-based film-maker Manishankar. He said it would be a great technological experience for Hyderabadis. The 3D holography is a technique that enables a light field to be recorded and later reconstructed. The technology is in many ways similar to sound recording, where a sound field created by musical instruments or vocal cords is encoded and later reproduced.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 05 Aug 2013 09:36

Focus on good governance not enough, Narendra Modi needs to connect emotionally to win masses

Excellent article written by a Business school professor.

His points are well articulated and have a compelling logic to them. Am sure, NM is working to bridge the gaps.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 05 Aug 2013 10:30

Hari Seldon wrote:Focus on good governance not enough, Narendra Modi needs to connect emotionally to win masses

Excellent article written by a Business school professor.

His points are well articulated and have a compelling logic to them. Am sure, NM is working to bridge the gaps.

Correct indeed. The real Indian voter is a poor, scantly educated, misguided and ill provided person. Unlike a middle class urban guy, he may not be able/aware enough to understand yet what Modi and his governanace message is trying to say.
Although anger against Congress will move the people into emotional anti-incumbency, yet it will not necessarily convert into BJP win. Modi has to do the rest on emotional appeal.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 05 Aug 2013 10:57

Virendra wrote:Correct indeed. The real Indian voter is a poor, scantly educated, misguided and ill provided person. Unlike a middle class urban guy, he may not be able/aware enough to understand yet what Modi and his governanace message is trying to say.
Although anger against Congress will move the people into emotional anti-incumbency, yet it will not necessarily convert into BJP win. Modi has to do the rest on emotional appeal.

The emotional appeal can be in the form of either an anti-Congress or a pro-Modi appeal.

I would personally like to see hard-hitting television ads from the BJP portraying the Dynasty as continuing in the same unbroken tradition as the Invaders from the North-West and the British, and suggesting that 2014 would mark the new freedom movement.