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True this discussion is OT. But to say caste issues do not exist in places where others have complete hold is incorrect. Yes, Hindus may forget their caste difference when they are in minority for they would be hunted down by the followers of religions of peace and love.Muppalla wrote:The only places where caste is not an issues is the places where either islamists or EJists have complete hold. Same places where there is complete takeover by communists. Rest of India has all caste stuff. This thread is a bad choice but caste is not as bad as it sounds out to be. The bad parts can be negated by electoral reforms and genuine judicial reforms.chaanakya wrote:By God so much of caste politics and fissures are there in AP(formerly soon to be) as well, people unnecessarily blame northern states. Such fissures resulting in smaller states, there is something certainly wrong. This way differentiations , which is our strength as well as weakness, will get emphasized for its weakness and demand for many more states would grow stronger.
While Telangana was inevitable there is still some hope that a rational basis for formation of states, not on differentiation but on scientific and geographic basis be formed irrespective of language and caste or creed. Only politicians benefit from accentuating differences.
yamar has already made his post.Muppalla wrote:<snip>
The only places where caste is not an issues is the places where either islamists or EJists have complete hold. Same places where there is complete takeover by communists. Rest of India has all caste stuff. This thread is a bad choice but caste is not as bad as it sounds out to be. The bad parts can be negated by electoral reforms and genuine judicial reforms.
If I am KKR, I will say "screw you. We will be like that and live with it. Our nakre is the reason to show to world, that JLN and Stalin are same and WashPost has shown Indira with no head. Dynasty was adored here and ends here. Again screw you. enjoy the AP hospitality."ramana wrote:Apparently some senior INC politicians gave KKR a dressing down. The gist is dilli sarkar is tired of the nakre from Andhra Pradesh.
This is false. Coastal areas and Rayalaseema were freed within 3 years by 1325 AD and Telangana within 14 years. Harihara Raya and Bukka Raya did not change their hearts, on day one of their arrival into south. They attempted to strengthen, the weakening Delhi Sultanate hold on south. Krishna Nayaka, the then ruler of united Andhra, confronted them in several battles and showed them the light with Vidyaranya. Krishna Nayaka's folly was supporting Zafar Khan (founder of Bahamani Sultanate) when he rebelled against Tuglaq. When the dust settled, Zafar Khan came after Krishna Nayaka. They fought numerous batlles and Telangana was lost. This weakened Krishna Nayaka and his vassals from southern Andhra rebelled against him.ramana wrote:Your guys caste politics is so bad you allowed Tuglaq to setup Sultanate rule in your areas and could dislodge it till British left India. The state is divided and its for you all to get together and rebuild in future whoever comes to power in Delhi.
Hari Seldon wrote:Doubt the INC has written off Seemandhra entirely. Am sure they expect dust to settle in a few yrs and INC to be once more in play in SA (or new AP) for the 2019 polls...
Certainly they will try to drag TDP and YSRCP as accomplices and win few seats in 2014. In fact it was rumored that KKR and Botsa instructed the party to attack TDP and YSRCP on the gounds that TDP gave the unconditional letter for separation, and YSR created the seed for separate T in 1999 by encouraging separatists.Hari Seldon wrote:Doubt the INC has written off Seemandhra entirely. Am sure they expect dust to settle in a few yrs and INC to be once more in play in SA (or new AP) for the 2019 polls...
Nonsense from CongIs.ramana wrote:Apparently some senior INC politicians gave KKR a dressing down. The gist is dilli sarkar is tired of the nakre from Andhra Pradesh.
To prevent civil order breakdown after Potti Sriramulu's death they gave into the Andhra State and that led to linguistic states reordering. In order to give the Telugus a large state and to save on building a capital we agreed to the merger with Hyderabad.
We haven't seen such rancor in two parts of state anywhere. Instead of living together amicably all we hear is exploitation and greed. Ten years after that we had Telangana agitation. Soon as we settled we had Andhra agitation in 1972 right after the border war with Pakistan. We have no peace if the interior gets on fire every so many years.
We know about Reddy and Kamma politics. We know that even T Reddys hate the other side Reddys. As for Kammas they leave nothing to spare for others. And the worst phase was under TDP. Naidu has the nerve to demand 4-5 lakh crores now? He should have thought of that when Hyderabad was there as a muft/free capital city. All it needed was to be a sharing type and not grabbing everything type. And does he think money grows on trees? We had to open FDI to attract investment for there is hardly any treasure.
As for voting loyally to INC all these years we gave Defence Labs, HAL, HMT, Vizag steel plant and so many other central investments which brought jobs and infrastructure. In the YSR years we poured money for the irrigation & agriculture projects which you guys couldn't keep your hands off.
You guys won't blackmail us or any other national party every elections by giving opposition parties an opening. We still get the seats we will get from our candidates for you guys cant see beyond your caste. So what if we don't get votes this election, who else will you vote for in the future?
So sit down and withdraw your 'resignation'!
Your guys caste politics is so bad you allowed Tuglaq to setup Sultanate rule in your areas and could dislodge it till British left India. The state is divided and its for you all to get together and rebuild in future whoever comes to power in Delhi.
Per this analysis, who/which group is then breaking down the statues, burning tires on Indira/Rajiv statues.....I doubt any of that is acting, and it is not a trivial reaction either. Bringing the statues down looks symbolic but it is much more than that, especially with Indira Gandhi statues. Its probably the first time it has happened anywhere in India, certainly on this scale...with 'chappal ka maala' put one some statues... and all that.ShyamSP wrote: With TRS and PRP, congress was openly agnostic but secretively together always. Where are with YSRC, they are openly hostile, while secretively, in my opinion, together.
Someone's interesting take:
Reasons why Congress is winning for the past 65 years and why it will win in the future:
( A View Point)
Currently, on an average (over states) there are 15% Muslims, 8% Christians, 7% Others and 70% Hindus.
That is out of 100 people, there are 70 Hindus, 8 Christians, 15 Muslims and 7 Others.
Voter registration is as follows:
90% of Muslims, 90% Christians and 60% Hindus and 90% Others.
This means, that is out of 100 people, 42 Hindus, 14 Muslims, 7 Christians and 6 'Others' will Register for vote.
Now, interesting point
Out of the registered voters having voter ID or at least having interest in selecting their representative....
Have a look at the number of turnouts 50% Hindus will vote, 90% Muslims will vote, 90% Christians will vote and 90% others will vote
That is ultimately 21 Hindus will vote, 13 Muslims will vote, 6 Christians and 5 'Others' will vote during election and these people are responsible for selecting the representative and deciding the future of our Great India....
That is these, 45 people of total population. It is highly likely that out of 13 Muslims, 10 will vote for Congress, Out of 6 Christians, 5 will vote for Congress and out of 5 others, 3 will vote for congress.
That is Congress will get 18 non Hindus votes, BJP may get 1 Muslim or Christian and 1 others vote.
That is BJP may get 2 non Hindu votes. Other parties, that are third front, may get 2 Muslim or Christian and 1 vote from others.
That is, 'Others' may get 3 non Hindu votes.
Coming to Hindu votes now Out of 21 Hindus. If 5 vote for Congress, 10 vote for BJP and 6 vote for other parties.
Final result will be Congress 23 votes, BJP 12 votes, other parties will get 9 votes. This has been the trend since 1990, therefore, Congress do not bother for Hindu vote.
Congress loses in States where the Muslims do not vote for them.
If Congress scares minority from majority, which is easy in the name of secularism, their 90% work is done....and they have been doing so.. religiously..
It is highly likely that the trend will continue and may vary by few percent and the Congress will remain in Power, as minority population increases, for the next 100 years..
The Congress decision, driven by pure political survival instinct, came without studying the larger economic and political costs. It ignored home ministry assessments warning of a revival of Naxalism in the new state, the billions of rupees coastal Andhra Pradesh would spend on a new state capital when it moves out of Hyderabad, and recent Intelligence Bureau (IB) assessments warning of public outrage opposing division.
But the biggest fear, a home ministry report of July 24 warns, is of "unrest and prolonged agitations" in other states including Uttar Pradesh, Assam, West Bengal and Maharashtra, where people have been demanding new states. Even before CWC took its final call, Gorkha Janmukti Morcha (GJM) called for a 72-hour shutdown in Darjeeling in support of Gorkhaland. In Maharashtra, BJP and Shiv Sena braced themselves to raise the issue of a separate Vidarbha. In Uttar Pradesh, Mayawati upped the ante for carving four states out of Uttar Pradesh.
Andhra Pradesh was the first state created on a linguistic basis when the Telugu-speaking areas of erstwhile Hyderabad state were merged with Andhra state in 1956. Experts predict Telangana could spawn secessionist trends. "This thoughtless decision may lead to a demand for a separate Telugu nation, the 17th largest in the world," says political commentator C. Narasimha Rao.
The home ministry report says Telangana could become a bastion for India's gravest internal security threat, the Maoists. The new state, "could become an easy target, considering its proximity to the worst-affected regions of Chhattisgarh's Bastar district and Maharashtra's Gadchiroli district", it notes. Twelve of the 15 members of the Maoists' central committee hail from the new state. The Maoists were driven out of the state by the Andhra Pradesh Police a decade ago. The report predicts Maoists could infiltrate again, taking advantage of the six months it will take to create Telangana.
Creation of new states means the Centre has to provide funds to develop infrastructure. Chhattisgarh is spending Rs.20,000 crore to develop its new state capital, Naya Raipur, besides other administration-related costs. A new capital for Andhra will cost much more unless both states agree to function from Hyderabad. Other investments will include sharing of water and natural resources.
A senior IPS officer posted at present in coastal Andhra is livid.
"They asked for Telangana state with Hyderabad as its capital and you actually hand it over, without any bargaining," he argues. "And now KCR is playing dirty by asking government employees hailing from Seemandhra to get out of Hyderabad."
In effect, the solution to the Telangana problem has only spawned a new problem.
Votaries of Telangana may snigger that "Seemandhra rogues" are sponsoring the unrest in the two regions but that would be insulting the emotional outpouring that is now visible on the streets of cities like Vijayawada, Anantapur, Rajahmundry, Nellore and Vizag.
If the desire of Telanganites to have their own state was genuine, then so is this urge to keep the state united or at least not being necked out of Hyderabad.
What most people of Andhra Pradesh do not seem to realise that they are no match for the guile their elected representatives show.
In one stroke, the Congress has wiped off all the negativity that it faced in Telangana and the party looks set to make handsome gains in the region, whenever elections are held. Which is why KCR's comment, even if he stated the legal position, was not an innocent one.
The wily politician knew that a remark asking the Seemandhra government employees to go back to their state, would upset and provoke and has served the purpose of pouring oil over the fires that are raging.
KCR and his party, the Telangana Rashtra Samiti, have every reason to feel left out of the party in Telangana. The TRS has been spearheading the movement for over a decade now and has had a kabhi khushi kabhi gham relationship with the Congress.
KCR now realises that by granting Telangana, the Congress has rendered him irrelevant. The TRS had a single point agenda and always did well in elections, when it could milk the sentiment.
Now that the sentiment has been taken care of, KCR faces the risk of political unemployment. An Andhra Pradesh where the faultlines stay exposed, would serve his cause better.
Not to say that KCR did not try the `statesman' approach. In his first reaction after the Congress announced its decision in Delhi, he told me that every Andhra brother and sister would be safe in Hyderabad and if need be, he will go to their rescue, should such a situation arise.
Within 72 hours, KCR was singing a different tune, provoked perhaps by the number of Congress leaders - from D Srinivas to Jana Reddy to Damodar Rajanarasimha - vying to take credit for Telangana.
KCR obviously realises that unless he indulges in some verbal pinch-hitting, he would be pushed out of the frame. Except that this sledging has vitiated the atmosphere on the political pitch of Andhra Pradesh.
The Congress is playing a clever game. In Seemandhra region, it is trying to occupy the opposition space as well.
Its state leaders are at the forefront of fighting against their own High command for the cause of united Andhra Pradesh or at least a situation, where they are not pushed out of Hyderabad. By doing so, these leaders hope to insure their political future in 2014.
What helps their cause is the position Chandrababu Naidu has taken, that is interpreted in most quarters as too docile.
In Telangana, Naidu is perceived as an anti-Telangana politician while in Seemandhra, he is looked upon as someone who did nothing to prevent the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh.
Someone who should have been in a win-win situation, milking the anti-incumbency sentiment against the Congress, has pushed himself into a lose-lose situation.
YSR Congress is in silent mode, shaken by the revolt of its Telangana leaders. Its best bet is to target the Congress in Seemandhra region. Suddenly, Jagan is not looking as big a threat as he did prior to the bifurcation.
Make no mistake about it. The entire struggle is for ownership of Hyderabad. It was and still remains the bone of contention. Telangana won't accept a state without Hyderabad and Seemandhra is not willing to give it all up and quietly engage itself in building a new capital from scratch.
Just a while ago, I spoke to a senior Congress leader in charge of affairs in Andhra Pradesh. He argued that people will forget their anger in Seemandhra in a few days and all will be hunky dory for the Congress.
I reminded him of 2004 when government employees and farmers demonstrated their anger against Chandrababu Naidu and voted him out of power.
Meanwhile, it is a sad commentary on the times we live in that Telugu Talli or Telugu mother in front of the Andhra Pradesh secretariat in Hyderabad is protected against vandals by barbed wired. A sorry state to be in.
Hyderabad could be modelled after Delhi: Digvijay
Hyderabad, which would be the joint capital of Telangana and the Andhra region for 10 years, could be modelled after Delhi where law and order is handled by the Centre, Congress leader Digvijay Singh has said.
http://newindianexpress.com/nation/Hyde ... 718111.ece
This is what Deveshji's lament against 'some' of the Andhra folks who thought they can unleash MIM to control other telugus. This thought of using MIM to hurt other telugus is sadism at its worst. Such a scenario will bring the Hindu Urdu (sic) lovers back, who used to be more Islamic than Muslim during nizam days; with their sherwani/topi wearing and pawn chewing caricature look in addition to the well-known/recorded oppression of Hindu commoners under the guise of Islamic rule.Supratik wrote:Hyderabad as UT will hand it over to the MIM. Need to be nixed. JMT.
May be they are thinking that Governor's bungalow for future ND Tiwari's is all we need.SaiK wrote:^or say put the split on hold, till the center completes the capital for occupation. deal?
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i think the 2 year time they are thinking is only for babooze massage parlour.