Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Hari Seldon]

Now an all-out attempt to paint NM as an autocrat, power-hungry usurper blah-blah... This after the resignation of a known modi-baiter on 'moral(e) grounds'....

Lokayukta on Modi govt: Can't work with 'my way or highway' mindset

one alleged journo Ms. seal-a-butt has been widely tom-tomming this 'report' in rediff all over teeter....

[muraliravi]

Now an all-out attempt to paint NM as an autocrat, power-hungry usurper blah-blah... This after the resignation of a known modi-baiter on 'moral(e) grounds'....

Lokayukta on Modi govt: Can't work with 'my way or highway' mindset

one alleged journo Ms. seal-a-butt has been widely tom-tomming this 'report' in rediff all over teeter....

This is the difference between modi and many others who buckle under pressure. Yeddy buckled horribly, he was a damn fool to issue the gazette notification which led to the appointment of santosh hegde. All modi did was, he stopped short of issuing the gazette notification and these guys have no way out, they can cry wolf all day, he just does not care.

I feel bad for poor yeddy, if only he was a tad smarter, this ninicoomp who is karnataka cm today could have been kept out of the vidhan sabha.

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[SaiK]

Now an all-out attempt to paint NM as an autocrat, power-hungry usurper blah-blah... This after the resignation of a known modi-baiter on 'moral(e) grounds'....

Lokayukta on Modi govt: Can't work with 'my way or highway' mindset

one alleged journo Ms. seal-a-butt has been widely tom-tomming this 'report' in rediff all over teeter....

This is the difference between modi and many others who buckle under pressure. Yeddy buckled horribly, he was a damn fool to issue the gazette notification which led to the appointment of santosh hegde. All modi did was, he stopped short of issuing the gazette notification and these guys have no way out, they can cry wolf all day, he just does not care.

I feel bad for poor yeddy, if only he was a tad smarter, this ninicoomp who is karnataka cm today could have been kept out of the vidhan sabha.

are you saying yeddy did nothing wrong and not a scamster [assume he did not issue the gazette]?

[muraliravi]

This is the difference between modi and many others who buckle under pressure. Yeddy buckled horribly, he was a damn fool to issue the gazette notification which led to the appointment of santosh hegde. All modi did was, he stopped short of issuing the gazette notification and these guys have no way out, they can cry wolf all day, he just does not care.

I feel bad for poor yeddy, if only he was a tad smarter, this ninicoomp who is karnataka cm today could have been kept out of the vidhan sabha.

are you saying yeddy did nothing wrong and not a scamster [assume he did not issue the gazette]?

He is no saint, but much better than what Karnataka has now. At least he did a great job with roads, a lot of 4 laning projects were awarded and completed in his tenure. He did a good job with water distribution to farmland and saved a lot of wasteland. Politically he was destroying congress slowly in the state. What more can u expect. I dont belong to the category of people who expect bjp cm's to be 100% clean people. As long as he does some decent work/governance, does not sell out the country and keep the sangh ideology reasonably intact, i am fine.

[Hari Seldon]

^^Yeddy had his flaws. But he's a wiser man now for all his faults (or so I hope).

I have no doubt RA Mehta was sent precisely to do a Santosh Hegde on namo. Too bad namo != yeddy, eh? Just like MIM's owaisis will discover that namo ain;t no taslima nasreen either, to get pushed around and cowed by the regular variety MIM goon squad.

[Pratyush]

WRT, Yeddy, what exactly was his crime for which eh was hounded out of power. Also, in proportion to the crimes of INC CMs and UPA leaders. Who suffered from his so called crimes.

That is the relevant question.

I ask this because, when the choice is between two evils, then it is acceptable to go with the lesser evil. So let sfigure out who is the lesser evil. In terms of governance and corruption.

[SaiK]

well.. i agree in general.. the party INC itself stands for corruption.. so they are just satisfying their mission profiles.
i am not expecting a county like us to bring ram rajya(m)(u) all of a sudden. i am not expecting that from modi as well.. and hence my liking towards him being the lesser evil for desh.

but, i am more of policy centric, standards based insititution seeker.. so, i will have to ask such questions. but, i will hang my head in shame even while choosing the lesse evil.. unfortunately. well, in my case.. i would not be voting, but would be garnering and networking like minded folks to vote for a cause... this is the power, that India needs.

i hopeexpect we get a better plan from the lesser evils.

/corrected

[krisna]

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1485836

Or maybe,just maybe there are too many people invested in LKA and their proximity to power centers are endangered by the presence/rise of Modi.

BTW, twitter was abuzz with how Arun Jaitley helped Congress kith and kin through some court cases and did not charge a fee!

swapan da in his tweet has mentioned that AJ is a

A non-practising lawyer doesn't have juniors. His law office is non-functioning since 2009.

what the ddm wrote was false to create misgivings within BJP camp.

[Gus]

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[chetak]

X posted from India Nuclear News and Discussion thread

kangressi mischief??

Side note

This guarantees a US visa for Modi but puts him in a very delicate position onlee

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130807/j ... gL8atLVCuI
- CM faces delicate choice amid land protests against reactors

New Delhi. Aug. 6: A key pact India’s nuclear operator and American firm Westinghouse are likely to ink when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visits Washington this September could pitchfork Narendra Modi into a delicate debate on nuclear commerce for the first time.The agreement will commercially commit them to setting up six nuclear reactors in two Gujarat villages near Bhavnagar, laying the ground for land acquisition for a project local residents are protesting against, top officials here confirmed to The Telegraph.

The Nuclear Power Corporation of India Limited (NPCIL) and Westinghouse are close to sealing the pact that edges the two nations closer to realising the landmark Indo-US nuclear deal Singh staked his government on in 2008, the officials said.But Singh’s gain in September could also thrust an uncomfortable choice on Gujarat chief minister Modi between protesting farmers and industry, ahead of elections that his supporters hope will propel him towards the Prime Minister’s chair.“Once the pact is signed, the NPCIL, through the state government, can prepare for the process of land acquisition,” a diplomat, aware of the agreement India’s sole nuclear operator is signing with Westinghouse, said. “There has not be any takeover yet, but the bureaucracy can begin its work.”Politically, Modi has so far remained silent on the debate over proposed nuclear reactors raging across the nation over the past few years, from Jaitapur in Maharashtra to Haripur in Bengal and Kudankulam in Tamil Nadu.Administratively, his government has been keen on nuclear power, and promptly agreed once the villages of Mithi Virdi and Jaspara were picked as sites for the Gujarat Nuclear Power Park in the shadow of the 2008 Indo-US nuclear deal authored by Singh and then US President George W. Bush.

Westinghouse and General Electric — the American nuclear firms that the two governments agreed would supply the first set of nuclear reactors under the 2008 agreement — remain unconvinced about India’s nuclear liability law.
The law, passed by Parliament in 2010, allows the NPCIL to seek partial compensation from suppliers if their reactors are involved in a nuclear accident. The US wants India to tweak the law. India has refused.The inability of the two nations to break this deadlock has triggered criticism of the Indo-US nuclear deal among some of its most vocal supporters, who argue that American firms aren’t getting the business they had hoped for.This tension was a key element of the agenda when US secretary of state John Kerry visited India in June and when Vice-President Joe Biden came in July. After his meeting with external affairs minister Salman Khurshid, Kerry announced that the two countries had agreed to conclude the “commercial agreement” between the NPCIL and Westinghouse by September — when Singh visits the US for a bilateral meet with President Barack Obama and for the UN General Assembly.

“This is not the commercial agreement,” a senior diplomat here said, stressing on the last three words. “But it’s significant, and it’s a milestone, make no mistake.”On the ground, it will outline a series of steps that Westinghouse and NPCIL will take next to move towards a final commercial agreement. Those steps will include negotiations on the liability law that Russia has also raised concerns over. Both firms are expected to make small financial and administrative commitments, officials said.And once the pact is signed, Modi may need to explicitly commit too.

[James B]

Narendra Modi replaces LK Advani on BJP's new campaign poster

Narendra Modi has officially replaced LK Advani in the latest poster unveiled by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) ahead of the grand launch of its 2014 election campaign, ending any lingering doubts about the party's top star and Prime Ministerial face.

The new BJP posters starring the Gujarat Chief Minister are set to make a splash with the new slogan: "Nayi Soch, Nayi Ummeed. (New thinking, new hope)". The posters have reportedly been approved by the party's campaign panel.

The posters replace the BJP's old banners which had LK Advani's image with the slogan: "Sushasan sankalp, Bhaajpaa hi vikalp (BJP is the only option for good governance)'.

The new posters mark the end of an era when leaders like Mr Advani and former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee shared top billing on giant banners - perhaps a message to the faction within the party that still has reservations about Mr Modi's stewardship.

[Yagnasri]

Modi managed the land aquisition issues very well so for. But now since US is involved and the Visa insults US hurled at him he may not (shall not) be oblising on Delhi on this issue. Delhi can cancelled one power related awards as many of these awards were won by Gujarathi companies. MMS has to need to e Chamcha of US not Modi.

Further there is no effort on behalf of US to mend their ways. There is no need for Modi to do anything. Anyway his state does not need power now.

[habal]

US reactors have stuxnet-type backdoors built in. This is what the Japanese are learning slowly.

[member_20317]

Modi managed the land aquisition issues very well so for. But now since US is involved and the Visa insults US hurled at him he may not (shall not) be oblising on Delhi on this issue. Delhi can cancelled one power related awards as many of these awards were won by Gujarathi companies. MMS has to need to e Chamcha of US not Modi.

Further there is no effort on behalf of US to mend their ways. There is no need for Modi to do anything. Anyway his state does not need power now.

On the contrary, NaMo should let the thing start. He should instead keep control over the progress and finishing of the project. It is always good to build up relationships.

[chaanakya]

On the contrary, NaMo should let the thing start. He should instead keep control over the progress and finishing of the project. It is always good to build up relationships.

Yes, that is a mature way of doing things, IMO. It is for the US to mend their ways, not for NaMo who has been proponent of good governance and development. Besides, he will have his control. He has already agreed for Park then why should he back out? Unless there are compelling circumstances.

[member_20317]

^^^

Yes, Aayi Sapath, that is what I was thinking.

2 days of absence changed my heart.

[harbans]

New Delhi. Taking cue from the popular sci-fi movie Inception, in which dream infiltration is used to alter the state of mind, Rahul Gandhi is assembling a team of experts to cure millions of their grand illusion of poverty.

Rahul to use Inception to cure the Poors state of mind

[Yagnasri]

Amul baba is correct and on target this time. There is some thing seriously wrong mentally with our poor. Any mentally healthy person would not have voted for INC and should have hanged INC people en mass.

[SaiK]

see.. dealing with massa is very simple.. they go by the books for all internal issues.. so, if team modi knows (with their huge gujju patel setup in massa) the loopholes, it is very to handle massans. absolutely the sole super power is so simple to handle. one does not have to contend or do anything.. if you are right, just do your job. massan laws are against corruption too.

if modi is proven by the courts, the massan have no problems at all.. why would they react now ahead of the polls? massan issue should be the least of modi problems.. the more of this visa talk actually can reverse his vote counts, imho.

i want him to focus on the plans for india.

[rajithn]

if modi is proven by the courts, the massa have no problems at all.. why would they react now ahead of the polls? massan issue should be the least of modi problems.. the more of this visa talk actually can reverse his vote counts, imho.

i want him to focus on the plans for india.

The denial or withdrawal of VISA has little to do with the riots of 2002. The primary reason is unhappiness with " anti-conversion" legislation of 2003.

The teestas of this world know the real reason but have conveniently hyped it up as being connected to the 2002 riots.

[Yagnasri]

US I feel in involved in India on the side on INC which is after all a gora party now. Even BJP was B team of INC till now. The problem is no colonial power allows raise of a nationalist leader in any nation which is a capacity to challenge their hegomany. Actions of US has to be seen under this contest also. India under 10 years of Modi may quadruple in GDP and it means a serious threat for West. EU may not have any problem because they can not do anything but US is a different thing. Further Democrats in US are traditionally do not like Democracies like India and are anti Indian for a long time. Even Republicans till resently as the same. So denial of Visa is a snub on a nationalist leader of India.

[ramana]

That Telegraph article is immature. For INC mouthpiece it doesn't get the fact the nuke deal implemntation is being doen in a BJP state even though the agreement was an INC achievement!
And when the agreement is between two nations what is he CM's name being dragged except to think in a perverse way that any news could be bad to Modi! The bigger problem is how does INC hope to change the liability bill with a minority govt? Blackmail Mulyam Singh yadav again?

[Yagnasri]

Not possible at this point. By the way AP CM openly opposed Division of AP againt Italian Mafia decision. Clearly shows how weak INC has become in a very important state. His family was with INC from his fathers time and he made the statement knowing very well that he has to resign now. Hyd may be under President rule by the time Modi comes here and even permission may be denied for meeting as Delhi will in in full control by that time.

[KJo]

see.. dealing with massa is very simple.. they go by the books for all internal issues.. so, if team modi knows (with their huge gujju patel setup in massa) the loopholes, it is very to handle massans. absolutely the sole super power is so simple to handle. one does not have to contend or do anything.. if you are right, just do your job. massan laws are against corruption too.

if modi is proven by the courts, the massan have no problems at all.. why would they react now ahead of the polls? massan issue should be the least of modi problems.. the more of this visa talk actually can reverse his vote counts, imho.

i want him to focus on the plans for india.

good post!

[harbans]

^ +1. Me too thinks no point in raking up the Visa issue. In due time it is US that will look foolish on this. As Rajith ji mentioned the denial is not due to 2002 riots and the mass genocide of 40,000 Muslims in Gujarat, but the denial of 'Religious Freedoms'!

And on that the Bin Laden extended family, Saudi monarchs, Islamic dictators and butchers and those that don;t allow Ahmedis and Bahai's to practice their faiths officially all pass through and are honored. But Modi..nah. I wish someone could draw a nice cartoon on this theme. Maybe we should make the US look foolish which it certainly is on this matter. And the bigger problem the US exposes with this, is not the denial of the Visa, but the display of the lack of the ability to correct the obvious gross incongruity! That is much more serious than any denial of the visa.

[Prem]

^ +1. Me too thinks no point in raking up the Visa issue. In due time it is US that will look foolish on this. As Rajith ji mentioned the denial is not due to 2002 riots and the mass genocide of 40,000 Muslims in Gujarat, but the denial of 'Religious Freedoms'! . But Modi..nah. I wish someone could draw a nice cartoon on this theme. Maybe we should make the US look foolish which it certainly is on this matter. And the bigger problem the US exposes with this, is not the denial of the Visa, but the display of the lack of the ability to correct the obvious gross incongruity! That is much more serious than any denial of the visa.

At least Modi know the very first thing to be on his PM desk will be the same anti Conversion law to be passed for whole country.I fully expect him to take oath on Gita or Upanishads or any other Granth.Second job will be to produce and prepare 72 different Modis under his guidance.

[SaiK]

data and metrics are much more important.. to smash the smear camps. if modi, puts on the table a solution that is not caste/religion centric.. and points to a growth model, then any capitalist is just bought out.. hence my angle of thought (aoa). that will also pinch the commie-socialistic camp under their asses.

i think, our aams and inter-mediary elite gangs will be energized by better infrastructure.. this is the growth area, where high speed roadways, interstate la speedways or freeways, city infras, capitalism for growth, socialism for protection and security, and standing as tall as we can for democracy and justice. all that om-baba blasts off, can be implemented better by a genuine sdre indian than any soul on the planet.

coming off this language-state-religion-caste banner will show a big light. just keep these values has required and protected info... just keep building for the future, rather keep on exposing for someone else to raise, and take your hand and pistol, and shoot your leg.. and he will escape, and sue you and your baselines for religious hatredness.

instead of protecting castes, throw more elite castes on economic lines into protection mode.. the caste line disappears.. have a new economic caste, and call it p-caste or poverty caste. give them jobs and quota at equal or higher the scheduled variety (slowly devalue them). the standards will start automatically align to caste/religion agnostic value system.

[rajithn]

^ +1. Me too thinks no point in raking up the Visa issue. In due time it is US that will look foolish on this. As Rajith ji mentioned the denial is not due to 2002 riots and the mass genocide of 40,000 Muslims in Gujarat, but the denial of 'Religious Freedoms'! . But Modi..nah. I wish someone could draw a nice cartoon on this theme. Maybe we should make the US look foolish which it certainly is on this matter. And the bigger problem the US exposes with this, is not the denial of the Visa, but the display of the lack of the ability to correct the obvious gross incongruity! That is much more serious than any denial of the visa.

At least Modi know the very first thing to be on his PM desk will be the same anti Conversion law to be passed for whole country.I fully expect him to take oath on Gita or Upanishads or any other Granth.Second job will be to produce and prepare 72 different Modis under his guidance.

Yes, I do believe he will try to pass an anticonversion law for the whole country. However in a federalistic structure, states are going to have the choice of implementing it. And there are many states that will resist this ..we are not talking of only conversion to islam but the much larger EJ threat in the south and north east.

I do recommend Rajiv Malhotra's book "Breaking India". A very well researched book. He's also come out with a second book "Being Different". Again a worthy read.

Back to topic: NaMo's U.S visa issue is inconsequential. We should attach no relevance to it and treat it with the contempt it deserves. Watch his own response when asked the question by some stupid wannabe reporter.

[KJo]

I am all for an anti conversion law, but I see Christians to be more of a danger to India than Muslims. Everyone knows about the Muslims, but not many know about the Christian agenda which is more or less hidden.

The problem is any anti-conversion law in a democracy will look like it is against free speech and cause problems in implementing. How will it work. Saudis and Pakis can do anything they want and no one will say anything. This will be a difficult one.

[rajithn]

I am all for an anti conversion law, but I see Christians to be more of a danger to India than Muslims. Everyone knows about the Muslims, but not many know about the Christian agenda which is more or less

Thats exactly why I strongly recommend "breaking india". You will be alarmed by what Rajiv Malhotra presents. Whats happening in South and North east is happening right in front of our eyes.

The anti-conversion legislation is pretty fair. It only asks that the person who wishes to convert appear before the court 30 days before they formally convert. So in that respect it doesnt actually prevent conversion..only stops forced conversions. And conversions based on monetary incentives. A Govt with a spine can send out the right message on why we need this legislation. And this is precisely where NaMo comes in.

The fear factor he generates transcends across a range of people. Thats why this visceral opposition to him. The islamists, the EJs, the other p-secs. It wont be business as usual for any of them. So they want ANYONE but him. And thats why i share Atri's fears that someone may try to eliminate him altogether. You know there is this sense that Indians have a short term memory..we have been fed so many scandals one after the other in quick succession, so much so that the earlier ones get lost in the clutter...someone may think that an elimination will indeed have short term repurcussions but bring things back to status quo in the long term. It will be wise for NaMo to be very, very careful.

[devesh]

Elimination of Namo is a double edged sword for the controllers. A "democratic regime" can sustain in the long term only if there is a veneer of "liberty". Take that away and population realizes its actually a fascist regime in the garb of democracy. Think of how Russia revolted against the Czars. And link it to the rising discontent in the preceding two generations. Ultimately Russian social forces ended up developing their own fascist techniques against the regime.

[Hari Seldon]

Has NM spoken on the Pakfauj killing 5 of our troops on our soil?

Here is Baba Ramdev on a roll ... methinks GoI's cowardice has touched raw nerves all over the Hindi belt. And Ramdev garu is merely reflecting that angst.

Yoga guru Baba Ramdev demands retaliatory death of 50 Pak troops

Yoga guru Baba Ramdev called on the Centre to adopt an eye for an eye approach and kill at least 50 Pakistani soldiers in retaliation for the five Indian soldiers killed in Poonch on Tuesday.

"India should retaliate with killing at least 50 Pakistani troops, against the five Indian soldiers that they have killed. And then, the Congress should tell the nation that this is the action that the government has taken. Statements do nothing, especially those filled with cowardice," Baba Ramdev said.

Criticising the UPA-led Central Government, Baba Ramdev said that its reaction damages the pride and respect of the nation.

"The time for statements has gone, it is now time for action. The present Central Government is zero in terms of taking action. But by giving wrong statements, the Central Government is risking the country`s security, respect and pride. It looks like the country is not intact in the hands of the present Central Government. They cannot protect the country`s respect and pride," Ramdev said.

[Prem]

Ideal team for Indian Century
N. Modi PM
Amit Shah Home Minister
Gurmurthy Finance
Rajnath Singh Defense
KC Singh Minister EA
Rajiv Malhotra Education Min
S. Swami Commerce
Maruf Raza NSA
Jaswant Singh UN Rep (Torture By Language Till The Say Lay Lo Bhai Mithai )

Agriculture and Food
Industry
Oil and Gas
Energy
Road and Transportation
and New
Cultural and Civilization Promotion Ministry

[member_27444]

Hasn't in UN would bring back sweet memories

Like MC Chagla?

[SaiK]

evangelists are not just roaming in india, they are palying havoc all over the third and fourth world. the weaker meeker sections shall inherit the earth mission... and now there is only way to inherit., you all know what to do.

conversion makes them to be qualified elite caste of xiandom.. so, the quota vaccancy of scheduled variety gets a boost. .. this is the law that is needed.. energize the caste system, make it more stronger quota system.. let all castes share the spoils.

i want elite caste to seek quota. ban merit quota.. that is not a caste at all... get down to brass tacks.. get everyone on quota system by demographics, percentiles so that economic values will start play in then.

[nawabs]

Bureau to monitor, create content for social media gets cabinet nod

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/96gEIH ... -cabi.html

India’s cabinet on Thursday approved the creation of a Doordarshan-like organization for social media such as Facebook and Twitter.Called the Bureau of New and Concurrent Media, this has been allotted a budget of Rs.22.5 crore until 2017, and will be a part of the ministry of information and broadcasting.The bureau, which will create content for and monitor social media (acting as an early warning system to issues that could blow up), will not regulate it. “The wing is an attempt to create an institutionalized presence in the virtual civilization,” said information and broadcasting minister Manish Tewari. The body will have no regulatory power and will only be a platform to disseminate information, Tewari said.

How the new bureau will work wasn’t immediately clear. Many government departments, including the Prime Minister’s Office, for instance, have their own Twitter accounts. “If other ministries want to put up information in the digital space, they can reach out to this platform. However, this is not a rigid totalitarian structure,” Tewari said. A government official who spoke on condition of anonymity said ministries could choose to do their own thing on social media, or get the bureau to do it for them.

The new wing will be headed by a joint secretary level officer while the administrative manpower will be provided by the Research Reference and Training Division (RRTD). “We have not asked for any additional human resources; we are re-engineering our resources from RRTD,” said Tewari. The division will now be completely absorbed by the new bureau, which, according to Tewari, will have young officers from the Indian Information Service.

The information ministry proposed the creation of the bureau after running a pilot across YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. The exact contours of what this pilot did or achieved isn’t clear. “Essentially, the Internet was the most audacious attempt in anarchy and has succeeded. The Internet today represents the largest ungoverned space on planet earth. Never before in the history of mankind has there been so much power in the hands of so many people across so many places. There is more digital content that is created every two days than the amount of content between the dawn of civilizations and 2003,” Tewari said.

The plan to establish the bureau had run into trouble as the Planning Commission had in June objected to the expected expenditure for the new wing as being “excessive”. The Plan panel had further pointed out that this expenditure would divert resources from an outreach effort for rural areas. The commission had also asked about the need for a separate section outside the Press Information Bureau.

[SaiK]

they need a monitoring ministry for DDM

[Arjun]

"Essentially, the Internet was the most audacious attempt in anarchy and has succeeded. The Internet today represents the largest ungoverned space on planet earth."

And this prime jerk with this Goebbelsian attitude is the one calling Modi a fascist !! Look at this mentality - the internet is an audacious attempt at anarchy - that needs to be governed by the paternalistic hands of the Dynasty.

Tiwari counts right up there with Mani Shankar Aiyar and Digvijay among the most insufferable fools the Dynasty has bequeathed to India.

[SaiK]

after MMS-Sonia combo chain-command setup, all kangrez folks have not just augmented their corruptionistic identities, but have also solidified on narcissistic qualities as well.