Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 09 Aug 2013 09:55

What next? facebook to be nationalized and renamed pappu mukhya pustaka antarjal yojana(pappu face book internet scheme). Likes and friend requests should be authorised by a gazetted officer. Daily limit of only 3 updates. Server to be shut down between 11 to 12 for maintainence. Photo comments to be approved 2 days in advance........

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 09 Aug 2013 10:15

arvin wrote: pappu mukhya pustaka antarjal yojana

Such communal language !

Kuch to sharam kar, mere dost ! In more 'inclusive' and secular language, it would be called Pappu Rukh Kitab Internet Mansoba

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 09 Aug 2013 11:31

Jhujar wrote:
At least Modi know the very first thing to be on his PM desk will be the same anti Conversion law to be passed for whole country.I fully expect him to take oath on Gita or Upanishads or any other Granth.Second job will be to produce and prepare 72 different Modis under his guidance.

For that BJP will need 2/3 majority alone. No one other than SS would support this bill. Perhaps Akali also.

IMO NM will concentrate on strengthening the delivery system (his own words) rather than going for new bills. That's what good governance is. Bills are license to use the gun not the gun itself - again his own words. But that doesn't mean, or I hope so, that he will not go after dynasty. He will not do the same mistakes which ABV did. NM is disillusioned and does not have sold out people around him like ABV had B Mishra. His full 5 years rule, even with coalition government, will mean the death knell of the family. Probably that's the reason INC is thinking about making CBI an independent body.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Aug 2013 11:51

With so many regional parties standing up in LS elections, why can't a law be enacted that LS elections be fought between National Parties and that these will be fought over 540 seats or say 95% total seats at the minimum. So essentially if a party has to fight for seats in the LS, it has to fight in 95% plus seats direct. The horse trading etc will peter off and the pandering to the LCD of minority opinions will cease. Any thoughts on why or why not this is possibly a better solution than the present day one?

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 09 Aug 2013 12:20

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Habal ji,
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panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 09 Aug 2013 12:24

harbans wrote:With so many regional parties standing up in LS elections, why can't a law be enacted that LS elections be fought between National Parties and that these will be fought over 540 seats or say 95% total seats at the minimum. So essentially if a party has to fight for seats in the LS, it has to fight in 95% plus seats direct. The horse trading etc will peter off and the pandering to the LCD of minority opinions will cease. Any thoughts on why or why not this is possibly a better solution than the present day one?

Fitting a round key into a square peg wont lead us to anything fruitful. Perhaps democracy is not suitable for a egalitarian and truly secular country like ours unlike many countries in the west. Or perhaps its the parliamentary form of democracy is unsuitable for us.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 09 Aug 2013 12:28

harbans wrote:With so many regional parties standing up in LS elections, why can't a law be enacted that LS elections be fought between National Parties and that these will be fought over 540 seats or say 95% total seats at the minimum. So essentially if a party has to fight for seats in the LS, it has to fight in 95% plus seats direct. The horse trading etc will peter off and the pandering to the LCD of minority opinions will cease. Any thoughts on why or why not this is possibly a better solution than the present day one?

All parties would just have dummy candidates contesting everywhere - increases costs somewhat but not too exorbitant.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 09 Aug 2013 12:42

harbans wrote:With so many regional parties standing up in LS elections, why can't a law be enacted that LS elections be fought between National Parties and that these will be fought over 540 seats or say 95% total seats at the minimum. So essentially if a party has to fight for seats in the LS, it has to fight in 95% plus seats direct. The horse trading etc will peter off and the pandering to the LCD of minority opinions will cease. Any thoughts on why or why not this is possibly a better solution than the present day one?

What happens to Independent candidates and which is a National Party, I mean how would one define it?
I think even in US , other candidates can stand for Presidential elections though they may not win. The point is , that is also not restrictive though contest is between two major parties.

Yet contesting 95% or even 90 % seems like good idea. But what prevents parties from putting up dummy candidates. They do it all the time.

Regional parties are emerging for a variety of reasons, but primarily, national parties and the present Ddmocraric setup has not been able to answer regional aspirations and the polity is essentially based on accentuating differentiation and creating a sense of grievances rather than ideology or even the idea of good governance and development.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Aug 2013 13:17

^^ A system of run-off polls among the top 2 candidates in all seats where the winner got less than a third of the votes cast will clear up the problem. Former CEC sri Gopalaswami is on record proposing this and namo is on record supporting the idea.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 09 Aug 2013 13:51

Yes,, generally there are two way or three way contest in our system of first past the post. Run offs would really make elections interesting and participatory for voters. The cost of conducting elections would increase manifold, on the contrary.

Incidentally there is a PIL against ECI on their failure to deliver quick poll results after introduction of EVM whcc was one of the main arguments in favour of EVMs. After its introduction , counting and polling process has become a lot more easier but time taken to declare the result has been extending due to multiphase polling and the practice of ECI not allowing counting and result defalcation till all polling are over.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Aug 2013 18:41

Bosted without kament only.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 09 Aug 2013 18:50

Boss security should be very tight for this. I hope BJP is not taking it lightly!!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Aug 2013 19:00

From the AP BJP chief on twitter..

>>G Kishan Reddy, MLA ‏@kishanreddybjp 1h
Please share this info with all: We are arranging special gallery for women at LB Stadium. Entry through Rani Rudrama gate. #ModiInHyd

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 09 Aug 2013 19:05

If BJP forms the government and that is a BIG IF, their 1st priority should be destroying the congress party PERMANENTLY within 1 year. Everything else will fall in place. Conversion, re-conversion, influx, deport etc.. etc.. will all come later and they can be done. But for all that to happen, this kangress has to be finished for ever. Congress is the leg on which regional parties flourish. Once congress is over, BJP will obviously gain and there will be 2 sides in the regional parties camp. One side will go with BJP and then all the damn laws can be passed.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 09 Aug 2013 20:11

Announcement of Modi as BJP's PM candidate may be delayed

New Delhi, Aug 9 - BJP may further delay the announcement of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as the party's Prime Ministerial candidate till the assembly elections to Delhi, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Rajasthan are over.

Top party sources said though discussions are on in BJP on the issue, there is a view that announcing Modi as the PM candidate before the assembly polls may not be a good idea.

The reluctance to anoint Modi as the PM candidate stems mainly from the party's anxiety to insulate him from criticism in the event of the results of the assembly elections going against the party.

"In case we lose say two of the four states, it will reflect badly on Modi as our political adversaries will blame it on him," a senior BJP leader said.

Though BJP is confident of victory in Congress-ruled Rajasthan and to a great extent in Madhya Pradesh, the chances are slim in Chhattisgarh and quite bleak in Delhi, according to party sources.

Much will also depend on whether Congress will go for early Lok Sabha polls. BJP does not want to announce Modi's candidature very close to the general elections either and would like the message to go out loud and clear to the people.

"However, it is highly unlikely that Congress will go for early polls as there is a strong anti-incumbency against it at the moment," a BJP leader said.

The main opposition feels Congress would like to reap the benefits of the Food Security Act and Direct Benefit Transfer as well as other schemes before it faces the electorate.

However, there is a strong opinion in BJP that the party should declare the PM candidate ahead of the polls.

"Since 1996, in every Lok Sabha election, we have announced the PM candidate," the sources said.

Meanwhile, BJP distanced itself from two posters that came up in the city depicting only Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi with the slogan "new thinking, new hope" and said these hoardings have not been authorised by the party.

Senior BJP leaders said the campaign material and posters have not yet been prepared and there is no plan as of now to project only the Gujarat Chief Minister on them.

"These hoardings may have come up due to some enthusiastic supporters of Modi. BJP has not decided to put up Modi posters to test any public response," a senior BJP leader said. PTI

What the heck is going on in Chattisgarh. Can congress really pull it off? I know that the vote share gap is pretty damn slim there.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Aug 2013 20:24

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It is live now.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Aug 2013 20:42

murali, that article on lensonnews is a plant to PTI. no names but just junk.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Aug 2013 21:52

Day is not far when Hindus will have to eat beef to show their secular values. And this Chouhan dude is in news every second week with some secular stunt. Signs aren't looking good for BJP. Press activists of Loh Purush working full time to put Modi in dock.

Unlike Modi, Chouhan wears skull cap on Eid

In stark contrast to Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi who refused to accept a skull cap from a maulvi at his sadbhavna (goodwill) fast in Ahmedabad in 2011, Madhya Pradesh CM Shivraj Singh Chouhan wore one while greeting Muslims on Eid in Bhopal on Friday.

Chouhan's gesture prompted Bollywood actor Raza Murad, who belongs to Bhopal, to remark, "It is a message to those who refuse to wear a skull cap that you don't become a Hashmat Ali just because you wear one."

Murad said this as he stood beside Chouhan at the Idgah, Bhopal's main mosque, where Congress leaders had also assembled.

The issue threatened to snowball into a controversy by the afternoon when BJP leader Uma Bharti said, "I am really hurt that a C-grade actor standing beside our CM poked fun at Narendra Modi. I will raise the issue at the appropriate party forum."

Chouhan reacted by telling mediapersons later, "It was Eid, an occasion to celebrate mutual love and brotherhood, and nobody should distort its spirit by giving it a political colour."

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 05724.aspx

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 09 Aug 2013 22:22

Would any mullah put a tilak, or wear safron or any costumes that signify Hinduism?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 09 Aug 2013 22:29

hanumadu wrote:Would any mullah put a tilak, or wear safron or any costumes that signify Hinduism?

Forget mullahs. Would any Muslim politician do that? But then the double standards have always been stark in India.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Aug 2013 22:36

so, then manio ji must wear her burkha and niqab then. if she does not, then she has a problem to support muslims. similarly pappu should wear his hijab and lower his gaze on public wimmen with his new long sunnah beard.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 09 Aug 2013 23:04

MP barely has 6.3-6.5% muslim pop. It is clear that shivraj is doing this at someone's behest and not even to get any votes.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 09 Aug 2013 23:21

Loh purush can not just give up even now. So we can expect all kinds of dramas by his supporters. But rest assured he will not become PM of India. If it is not Modi then it may even Rajnath Singh. No one who from old man camp.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Aug 2013 23:27

Amartya Sen model at work.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Aug 2013 23:50

Best comment on wearing topi and secularism

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 09 Aug 2013 23:51

muraliravi wrote:If BJP forms the government and that is a BIG IF, their 1st priority should be destroying the congress party PERMANENTLY within 1 year. Everything else will fall in place. Conversion, re-conversion, influx, deport etc.. etc.. will all come later and they can be done. But for all that to happen, this kangress has to be finished for ever. Congress is the leg on which regional parties flourish. Once congress is over, BJP will obviously gain and there will be 2 sides in the regional parties camp. One side will go with BJP and then all the damn laws can be passed.

+101

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Aug 2013 23:52

Anti- Conversion law/s should come under the category of National Security. This will pull the plug on all anti nationals involved in these activities in hope to win the MF= Most Faithfool Servant Title from outside power center/s.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Aug 2013 01:18

force-fooled converts shall lose all rights to seek under quota system.. they shall be the un-reserved types (la indian railways). common civic laws are needed.. make equal opportunity to all, no matter what.. put a pie chart, and divide by demographics. period... then within that pie segment, let them fight on merits.. and for all jobs and edu that demands performance, it only matters who does the right job better. the merits kicks in automagically.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 10 Aug 2013 01:22

The question is, is it a lal topi? May be then the circle will be complete.

We face terrorism, they face terrorism. They wear lal topi, now we too wear the same. We are like two conjoined twins. Only difference is at least they wear it their head.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Aug 2013 01:27

sab ko topi lagao!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Aug 2013 01:35

hanumadu wrote:Would any mullah put a tilak, or wear safron or any costumes that signify Hinduism?

Salar Jung III would sit in the audience in while puja was being performed in my grandfather's house in Vizag long before Independence.

All this hate Hindu stuff is a post Independence phenomenon.

Even Amitabh Bacchan refused to light a lamp on a stage in Chennai and it made some discussion. Soon after his financial reset he became very pious.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Aug 2013 01:42

In India, All minorities are de-facto secular and all Hindus are communalists unless proven otherwise by repeated actions.

"It was Eid, an occasion to celebrate mutual love and brotherhood"
BTW What was SSC doing at the Idgah maidaan. Isn't Eid a muslim festival for Muslims only ? Why do Hindu Leaders try to be gate crashers during Eid and Iftar ?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 10 Aug 2013 01:45

ramana wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Would any mullah put a tilak, or wear safron or any costumes that signify Hinduism?

Salar Jung III would sit in the audience in while puja was being performed in my grandfather's house in Vizag long before Independence.

All this hate Hindu stuff is a post Independence phenomenon.

Even Amitabh Bacchan refused to light a lamp on a stage in Chennai and it made some discussion. Soon after his financial reset he became very pious.

Basically insecurities of Gandhi, Nehru and Indira Gandhi are rubbed and institutionalized as national characters. Media is built as watchdog to look for who deviates from those characters.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 10 Aug 2013 01:46

Narendra Modi is actually secular by deeds.

However king of Saudi is not secular either in mind or by deeds.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 10 Aug 2013 01:56

VikasRaina wrote:BTW What was SSC doing at the Idgah maidaan. Isn't Eid a muslim festival for Muslims only ? Why do Hindu Leaders try to be gate crashers during Eid and Iftar ?

Bicaaj they are not Hindu leaders

They are leaders of vote banks.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 10 Aug 2013 02:18

I am actually quite impressed by NM not wearing that skull cap. Takes guts and principle in the present day dhimmi setup to do that. The IMs don;t want Vande Mataram and i've never seen a Muslim politician even sporting a Tilak ever..why the need for dhimmi symbolization then?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Aug 2013 02:20

Leaders can conveniently move from one ideology to another in search of power (not in reference to SSC).
You can be Vaghela , Sidharamiah and Renuka moving to Congress, SS Ahluwalia and Najma Heptullah joining BJP.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Aug 2013 02:22

harbans wrote:I am actually quite impressed by NM not wearing that skull cap. Takes guts and principle in the present day dhimmi setup to do that. The IMs don;t want Vande Mataram and i've never seen a Muslim politician even sporting a Tilak ever..why the need for dhimmi symbolization then?

That's the reason NM is darling of Masses in India and not other CM's. The Man has cojones and conviction of thought.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 10 Aug 2013 03:07

I am worried with Shivraj Chouhan antics, there have been too many subtle anti-Namo moves to ignore. There is more to it than just Loh Purush gang. Perhaps SSC is aspiring for vice-PM role?. About time RSS steps in and puts and end to his 2 minute stardom.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Aug 2013 03:09

what is his performance compared to modi?