Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 11 Aug 2013 20:44

Kudos to BJP on carrying out a successful, inspiring, and above all, safe NaMo rally. Here's to many more such rallies - and hope they remember - safety first, speed next.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 11 Aug 2013 20:47

^Roy ji, I was also thinking that sometimes back. He had put up all these cases against Sonia on her false documents 'twice' about education even proving her lies. Still dropped the case when the whole thing was proven and only judgement had to come.

In a way blocking others to have presented the cases more strongly. Even in 2G he is the public prosecutar but instead of getting sonia and pc also in jail with k'mozhi and draja even the latter two are out.

Modi should be vary of him. Best is to use him for making important announcements with attacks on sonia so the media gets used to create bigger awareness in janmaanas.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Aug 2013 20:50

is there a recorded one?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Aug 2013 21:10

Letting Swamy in is crazy, playing with fire.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 11 Aug 2013 21:17

SwamyG wrote:Letting Swamy in is crazy, playing with fire.

Question is wouldn't the people that matter, in the BJP, know the issues with SSwamy and may have ways and means to defang him if he were to try and subvert from inside.

I know his antecedents are questionable. A question though, for people in the know: how is his equation with JJ?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 11 Aug 2013 21:21

rajithn wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Letting Swamy in is crazy, playing with fire.
Question is would the people that matter in BJP know the issues with SSwamy and may have ways and means to defang him if he were to try and subvert from inside.

I know his antecedents are questionable. A question though, for people in the know: how is his equation with JJ?

You bring up a good point. He may be able to convince JJ to get her on board. Notice after Modi mentioned JJ in his Hyderabad speech, Swamy joined BJP. He may have some powerful backers in and outside of the country. Meanwhile, Vijay Goel may be replaced by Harsh Vardhan. Good move.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Aug 2013 21:49

SaiK wrote:is there a recorded one?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/guja ... 99050.html

http://snehatv.com/modi/

geeth · Post by **geeth** » 11 Aug 2013 22:00

May be Swami has joined BJP to block the alliance with JJ in future...who knows? JJ can very well say, as long as Swami is in, she won't even give outside support..Some of the court cases she is facing was filed/initiated by Swamy.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Aug 2013 23:04

rajithn wrote: I know his antecedents are questionable. A question though, for people in the know: how is his equation with JJ?

Modi does not need Swamy to get to JJ. JJ and Modi are supposed to have good relations. Cho is a Modi, Advani and BJP supporter. Cho deals and advises JJ. However JJ cares about herself and to keep her in Modi's camp BJP should ensure the 3rd front is a non-starter.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 11 Aug 2013 23:16

SwamyG wrote:Letting Swamy in is crazy, playing with fire.

Yes you can say that again. Swamy is a difficult customer.

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But 'we shall overcome' is 'civil rights-kill the kallu' legacy. We did not need it, right? Because we had something that harked to the 'joint capacity' as against the 'several capacity'. We had Maa

. We had the better rendition of the idea. We had 'Vande Matram'.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Aug 2013 23:17

Regarding the 'yes, we can'; my theory is that Modi and his handlers want to remind the small populace that know Obma to know that Modi campaigns, acts, talks like Obama. The modern progressive youth will like because they would equate with the Obama campaign. Also, it is a signal to the US administration - White House. Probably there is lobbying already going on explaining to US about Modi's agenda indirectly. Obama portrayed himself as a strong Christian who stood for hope and progress. Modi stands as a strong Hindu and a growth oriented politician who will strike deals for the good of people.

It is hence a message. Opponents notice, but can only whine about copying etc. Some supporters who like more originality dislike that inspiration, others just do not care.

Modi realizes media is going to do its part. Media will now focus on this and analyze thread bare, and Modi gets to control the message of hope and development. So every time an expert says Modi copied Obama, it makes Modi even more acceptable.

Media just cannot avoid, look at some of the articles already.

Master stroke. Look at some of the leaders he mentions: Vivekanda, Gandhi, Patel, Narayana guru, Vajpayee, Obama (without mentioning him).... He is painting a narration of himself. Modi's handlers are darn good.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 12 Aug 2013 00:10

kapilrdave wrote:When camera was facing NM's back it looked like he is wearing BPJ.

Also it was only his security man behind him who was handing him water to drink in between. Never saw a security man handing over glass of water to the person giving the speech. Could be a possible safety precaution.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Aug 2013 00:58

yes... the fear of poisoning the water can be valid.. normally bottled waters are specially ordered and kept by the team.

some moons back, in blur tamil majority area, came once the ltte chief pirabhakaran.. he spoke at blur tamil sangham .. happened to go by that side for jogging, and saw this guy from a distance. his second rung men opens the bottle drinks the fluid.. and waits for a minute and then hands over the bottle.

fear is the key., plus when you have an environment full of home grown pakis, what else you expect.

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saw the speech.. so he wasn't against T state.. and good job of not triggering anything to dislikes of AP as well.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Aug 2013 02:15

SwamyG wrote:Regarding the 'yes, we can'; my theory is that Modi and his handlers want to remind the small populace that know Obma to know that Modi campaigns, acts, talks like Obama. The modern progressive youth will like because they would equate with the Obama campaign. Also, it is a signal to the US administration - White House. Probably there is lobbying already going on explaining to US about Modi's agenda indirectly. Obama portrayed himself as a strong Christian who stood for hope and progress. Modi stands as a strong Hindu and a growth oriented politician who will strike deals for the good of people.

It is hence a message. Opponents notice, but can only whine about copying etc. Some supporters who like more originality dislike that inspiration, others just do not care.

Modi realizes media is going to do its part. Media will now focus on this and analyze thread bare, and Modi gets to control the message of hope and development. So every time an expert says Modi copied Obama, it makes Modi even more acceptable. Media just cannot avoid, look at some of the articles already.

Master stroke. Look at some of the leaders he mentions: Vivekanda, Gandhi, Patel, Narayana guru, Vajpayee, Obama (without mentioning him).... He is painting a narration of himself. Modi's handlers are darn good.

mountain out of a molehill.

it is pure desi jugaad. the "progressive" etc is pure nonsense. nobody cares for that crap in India. yes, even the youth. that kind of stuff only sells in select metros like Delhi, and maybe Mumbai. in Hyderabad, even the youth have much more focused approach than to pine after some foreign "progressive" image.

in simple terms, the Modi team used a phrase which was already very popular. the vast majority of the population in the stadium probably doesn't even know that "Yes We can" was an Obama slogan.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Aug 2013 02:44

It is a simple don't lose anyone in the tent

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Aug 2013 03:02

I am happy that Modi team thinks better and have better sense than some of the thinking here.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 12 Aug 2013 03:33

Swamy and Jaya Lalitha are elements with low flash points

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 12 Aug 2013 03:53

In pictures: Narendra Modi kicks off BJP poll campaign in Hyderabad

Very surprised see so many women in Modi's meeting

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 12 Aug 2013 04:59

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... y-chautala

AMBALA: INLD leader Abhay Chautala today said his party would not forge alliance with BJP for forthcoming general elections but would support Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi "unconditionally" for the post of Prime Minister if required.

"INLD will not forge any political alliance with BJP in the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections...yet, if any situation arises where Narendra Modi requires MPs' support, then INLD will unconditionally support him for the post of Prime Minister," Chautala told reporters.

I guess after one month, he will say, we are ready for alliance.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Aug 2013 05:32

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Aug 2013 07:23

Vijay ‏@centerofright

This is AndhraJyothy front page on #NaMOinHYD rally

This is Eenadu's front page of #NaMOinHYD rally yesterday - Saying hv equal love for both regions of AP

Interesting Sakshi had page one and fullpage 5 story on #NaMOinHYD - may be they liked anti cong stand

negi · Post by **negi** » 12 Aug 2013 08:04

geeth wrote:May be Swami has joined BJP to block the alliance with JJ in future...who knows? JJ can very well say, as long as Swami is in, she won't even give outside support..Some of the court cases she is facing was filed/initiated by Swamy.

Swamy has made it clear that INC is a bigger threat than Amma. We need mavericks like him in the system.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Aug 2013 08:11

pic speaks a lot!

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swamy is a nutcase.. amma is nutfull-case.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 12 Aug 2013 08:37

SwamyG wrote:Regarding the 'yes, we can'; my theory is that Modi and his handlers want to remind the small populace that know Obma to know that Modi campaigns, acts, talks like Obama. The modern progressive youth will like because they would equate with the Obama campaign. Also, it is a signal to the US administration - White House. Probably there is lobbying already going on explaining to US about Modi's agenda indirectly. Obama portrayed himself as a strong Christian who stood for hope and progress. Modi stands as a strong Hindu and a growth oriented politician who will strike deals for the good of people.

It is hence a message. Opponents notice, but can only whine about copying etc. Some supporters who like more originality dislike that inspiration, others just do not care.

Modi realizes media is going to do its part. Media will now focus on this and analyze thread bare, and Modi gets to control the message of hope and development. So every time an expert says Modi copied Obama, it makes Modi even more acceptable. Media just cannot avoid, look at some of the articles already.

Master stroke. Look at some of the leaders he mentions: Vivekanda, Gandhi, Patel, Narayana guru, Vajpayee, Obama (without mentioning him).... He is painting a narration of himself. Modi's handlers are darn good.

Good analysis, SwamyG. Modi's historical references tend to be quite deliberate - and he's definitely building a narrative.

Modi's "Yes we can" has a much larger import than Obama's. Obama's reference was to the belief that through their enthusiasm the Obama campaign can be successful and the Democrats can win again. What Modi is facing on the other hand is mass disillusionment with politics and with the Dynasty that has completely sapped the belief of the citizen in the Indian republic. Modi's "Yes we can" is telling the masses that they can take control of the future again and that there is hope for the country. Both the context and the message have a much larger resonance for India in 2014 than for Obama or the US in 2008.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Aug 2013 09:21

Balkrishna has invited Modi to his daughter's wedding

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 12 Aug 2013 10:03

negi wrote: Swamy has made it clear that INC is a bigger threat than Amma. We need mavericks like him in the system.

sswamy was instrumental in bringing down the first vajpayee govt. that was 15 yrs ago..a lifetime in politics. besides, he is not an ideologue who does these things out of compulsion. he is an opportunist and an useful person to find details and put cases on opposition. it is better to have him wheel and deal for you than against you.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Aug 2013 10:08

Sushupti wrote:Balkrishna has invited Modi to his daughter's wedding

Sorry - these days I am a bit removed from Andhra politics. How significant is this?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Aug 2013 10:42

^^^
waiting for Naidu to poke his nose in and ride the high horse of "secularism".

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 12 Aug 2013 13:15

nageshks wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Balkrishna has invited Modi to his daughter's wedding
Sorry - these days I am a bit removed from Andhra politics. How significant is this?

CBN(chandrababu naidu) is a clever politician. He does not want to be seen as been too close to BJP but at the same time does not want to loose the option of joining NDA if BJP crosses 200+. And also today some sites say that most of his TDP Mp's and MLA's want him to join NDA.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Aug 2013 13:49

CBN unfortunately has no long term view of the things and has no principles. NTR for all his faults had made serious efforts to forge anti INC unity across the nation. But CBN since 2004 seems to be interested in 3rd front drama. People like Mulayam can not help him in AP nor CPM or CPI to any major extent. If he is part of NDA BJP can contribute good number of votes which will be critical addition to TDP vote base to defeat INC. Further BJP organisational structure is also helpful on election day management.

INC can now invest huge amounts in elections and CBN/TDP can not match this in 2014. It needs BJP like support to shore up organisational structure so that money power can be contained.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 12 Aug 2013 16:54

Narendra Modi plans another rally in coastal AP

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130812/n ... coastal-ap

It was a hectic Sunday in Hyderabad for Gujarat Chief Minister and chairman of BJP’s election campaign committee Narendra Modi. Before his public meeting at Lal Bahadur Stadium here, Modi interacted with film personalities, doctors, educationists, industrialists and the media for four hours at Hotel Park Hyatt, Banjara Hills. The hotel was teeming with security personnel who kept the hundreds of onlookers at bay.

“Around 60 to 70 people were invited for the meeting with Narendra Modi of whom 10 to 12 were film personalities. Venkaiah Naidu introduced everyone to Modi individually. He hailed Modi as a 3D CM — Decisive, Dedicated and Developing Chief Minister — and gave clear indications that he would be NDA’s prime ministerial candidate,” said a source at the meeting.

Tollywood personalities who met the Gujarat CM were Balakrishna, Rana Daggubati, Allu Aravind, Suresh Babu, Mohan Babu, K. Raghavendra Rao, Murali Mohan, C. Kalyan, Jagapathi Babu, Vishnu, Manoj, Lakshmi Manchu, ‘Dil’ Raju, A.V.S, Suman, Ashok Kumar, and Gauthami.

Sources said that industrialists, film personalities, educationists and doctors who met Modi were thoroughly impressed with the leader and went overboard praising him, his model of leadership and said that they wanted him as the next Prime Minister.

Modi also held closed door one-on-one meetings with selected industrialists. He also criticised the state’s ‘paralysing’ policies and said that AP has been stranded due to these crippling policies.

After Sunday’s Nava Bharat Yuva Bheri in Hyderabad in Telangana region, the BJP is planning to organise a farmers’ bheri in Coastal Andhra soon which will also be addressed by Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. BJP sources told DC that the party had plans to address farmers’ issues through massive public meetings in Rayalaseema too.

These meetings will be part of the 100 rallies to be addressed by the Gujarat CM and National BJP Campaign Committee chairman across the state and the country, the first of which took place in Hyderabad on Sunday.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 12 Aug 2013 17:11

Arjun wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Regarding the 'yes, we can'; my theory is that Modi and his handlers want to remind the small populace that know Obma to know that Modi campaigns, acts, talks like Obama. The modern progressive youth will like because they would equate with the Obama campaign. Also, it is a signal to the US administration - White House. Probably there is lobbying already going on explaining to US about Modi's agenda indirectly. Obama portrayed himself as a strong Christian who stood for hope and progress. Modi stands as a strong Hindu and a growth oriented politician who will strike deals for the good of people.

It is hence a message. Opponents notice, but can only whine about copying etc. Some supporters who like more originality dislike that inspiration, others just do not care.

Modi realizes media is going to do its part. Media will now focus on this and analyze thread bare, and Modi gets to control the message of hope and development. So every time an expert says Modi copied Obama, it makes Modi even more acceptable. Media just cannot avoid, look at some of the articles already.

Master stroke. Look at some of the leaders he mentions: Vivekanda, Gandhi, Patel, Narayana guru, Vajpayee, Obama (without mentioning him).... He is painting a narration of himself. Modi's handlers are darn good.
Good analysis, SwamyG. Modi's historical references tend to be quite deliberate - and he's definitely building a narrative.

Modi's "Yes we can" has a much larger import than Obama's. Obama's reference was to the belief that through their enthusiasm the Obama campaign can be successful and the Democrats can win again. What Modi is facing on the other hand is mass disillusionment with politics and with the Dynasty that has completely sapped the belief of the citizen in the Indian republic. Modi's "Yes we can" is telling the masses that they can take control of the future again and that there is hope for the country. Both the context and the message have a much larger resonance for India in 2014 than for Obama or the US in 2008.

Obama uses the motivational speaker's tactics, 'yes we can', in 2008 effectively. He was indeed a very good motivational speaker.

Modi is also a motivational speaker but of a different kind. Modi makes you think. He doesnt have the command on english language nor the voice to effectively raise the emotional level of the audience with "yes we can' chanting.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 12 Aug 2013 17:16

om-baba like most khan politicians have undergone extensive training by so called "image consultants." most of his speeches and public appearances are an artifice .Modi by conrast is natural. many a times he speaks extemporaneously .

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Aug 2013 17:30

ABV was too.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 12 Aug 2013 17:41

Obama might hold the trademark on "Yes we can", but NaMo's signature style is the "Vande-Mataram" frenzy at the end. Has quite an effect IMO.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Aug 2013 17:46

the "yes we can" is a hope or naya hope kind of statement that lingers in mind only when your are down and hurt, worked when khan economy was down, and bush baba royally screwed it up as well.

hamara banana pm (rajiv gandhi) - yeh banana chayie woh banana.. etc some times help, but can phuck you up if you don't live upto promise.

James B · Post by **James B** » 12 Aug 2013 18:06

Yes we can and Yes we will do is from Swami Vievekananda's chicago speech.

James B · Post by **James B** » 12 Aug 2013 18:09

This is from my primary school

Later in the evening, Modi unveiled a statue of India's first Home Minister of the country Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel at Keshav Memorial High School in Hyderabad.

This school is the supplier of chaddiwalas in Hyderabad for many decades. Not sure what's the position now.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Aug 2013 19:21

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 12 Aug 2013 19:56

rajsunder wrote: CBN(chandrababu naidu) is a clever politician. He does not want to be seen as been too close to BJP but at the same time does not want to loose the option of joining NDA if BJP crosses 200+. And also today some sites say that most of his TDP Mp's and MLA's want him to join NDA.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too all the time. If he has an alliance with BJP pre poll or post poll, then he cannot go back to sickularism. By the way Nitish was shunted, BJP wants an alliance this time on its terms. Any body who is in NDA this time means they are willing to forgo minority votes for ever. Perhaps we will see a consolidation of the small parties around Congress and BJP going forward.