Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 16 Aug 2013 20:12

Hari Seldon wrote:Amazing change of hart on Modi in that (former?) kangresi citadel..the IE...

Narendra Modi hoists his own flag, delivers campaign speech on I-Day

Can't get more fair and balanced than this..../snark off

but see the comments, they are not allowing a single anti-congress or pro-modi comment to be made. all the comments posted so far are pro-con party and anti-modi.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Aug 2013 20:42

Muppalla wrote:Sadhu Yadav should not be taken in as a tweet by Shusil Modi and response here is knee jerk reaction. NaMo's team is working on breaking the vote banks. First of all Baba Ramdev is quietly working on breaking the Yadav citadels of Bihar. In talking to Sadhu, you will get to know what he needs and he can bring that is useful to BJP. It is possible that you can throw some bread crumbs for a return of a seat or two in Yadav strongholds. He can be lined in to support a yadav candidate chosen by BJP.

Folks, this is a war and not some intellectual and ethical discourse.

Of course his presence will signal to other voters of Bihar that there is no difference in what NaMo offers and his technic and what laloo and INC are offering. Well NiKu would be gainer in that case, and probably Left too.. Sadhu is no leader of Yadavas, he can bring criminal elements only. Yadavas are no fools to leave Laloo and choose Sadhu. And there are better Yadav leaders then Sadhu. Rest assured.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 16 Aug 2013 20:51

chaanakya wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Sadhu Yadav should not be taken in as a tweet by Shusil Modi and response here is knee jerk reaction. NaMo's team is working on breaking the vote banks. First of all Baba Ramdev is quietly working on breaking the Yadav citadels of Bihar. In talking to Sadhu, you will get to know what he needs and he can bring that is useful to BJP. It is possible that you can throw some bread crumbs for a return of a seat or two in Yadav strongholds. He can be lined in to support a yadav candidate chosen by BJP.

Folks, this is a war and not some intellectual and ethical discourse.
Of course his presence will signal to other voters of Bihar that there is no difference in what NaMo offers and his technic and what laloo and INC are offering. Well NiKu would be gainer in that case, and probably Left too.. Sadhu is no leader of Yadavas, he can bring criminal elements only. Yadavas are no fools to leave Laloo and choose Sadhu. And there are better Yadav leaders then Sadhu. Rest assured.

Sure sir, you know better than someone who has been a 3 time cm, someone who was a core organizational man in the bjp for 2 decades

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Aug 2013 20:59

Well, NaMo is no fool to take Sadhu in. Meeting could be just courtesy call.Time will tell only.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 16 Aug 2013 21:01

How much support does NaMo have in the southern states of KA, AP, TN and KL?
People living in these states, is there any buzz on the ground for him?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2013 21:10

He can only see support by establishing the party in the south. Otherwise, whatever numbers you get does only correlate to some other party tie-ups etc. Now, these assumptions can change once he begins his SI tour, and spells his speeches to check it out.. if he does not come down south further down from HYD, then we can't tell. He must come down and start canvasing.

firstly, what are his state-wise plans? what is he going to bring on the table that would make SIs think about it.. and go, mmm.. interesting.. worth it. etc. to get a start.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Aug 2013 21:40

Today TV18 group fired 250 Journalists including that guy Aashutosh. But Sardesai is still there.

Follow this for details.
https://twitter.com/ssachin_d

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 16 Aug 2013 21:48

But isn't sardesai in cnn-ibn which is owned by some chicago evangelist church?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Aug 2013 21:52

Have fun

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Aug 2013 21:54

Liked the way he is mocking Congress.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 22:45

The only comment I have heard about NM so far is that he is Gujarati CM. He has to overcome his GJ identity if he wants to come down south.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2013 23:04

Theo_Fidel wrote: He has to overcome his GJ identity if he wants to come down south.

as in Good Job?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 16 Aug 2013 23:07

Theo_Fidel wrote:The only comment I have heard about NM so far is that he is Gujarati CM. He has to overcome his GJ identity if he wants to come down south.

How about Italian

à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£ · Post by **à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£** » 16 Aug 2013 23:09

darshhan wrote: How about Italian

Italian = pizza = high class
Gujarati = dhokla = low class

onlee

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 23:12

Sonia appears to have overcome her identity problem.
NM is still regarded as GJ. Gujarati's in the south tend to be exclusivist.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2013 23:17

pizzas are low class for massans. (not the specialty hifi kind)

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 16 Aug 2013 23:20

Theo_Fidel wrote:Sonia appears to have overcome her identity problem.
NM is still regarded as GJ. Gujarati's in the south tend to be exclusivist.

I seriously doubt this. This might indeed be true for Christo-Nazi types. However as far as regular people in South are concerned Namo will win hands down in any comparison with Sonia Gandhi/Rahul Gandhi.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 16 Aug 2013 23:22

Theo_Fidel wrote: Gujarati's in the south tend to be exclusivist.

Are they more exclusivist than Evangelical Christo-Nazis ? Hard to believe so.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 23:22

I think a white shirt and a red bordered white lungi, worn the 'correct way', with a starched mundu, would go a long way. Perception is everything.....

Sonia gets away with a lot because she always wears a Sari with the widows markings...

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 16 Aug 2013 23:32

In my village many wear only a gochi (a piece of cloth to conceal the privates). Theo sir, now imagine Modi's predicament.

yogendra · Post by **yogendra** » 16 Aug 2013 23:32

Theo_Fidel wrote:The only comment I have heard about NM so far is that he is Gujarati CM. He has to overcome his GJ identity if he wants to come down south.

He had come down to Hyderabad and he seemed to have rocked it. I guess directions are all relative to where you are.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 23:37

I don't think he 'rocked' the vote group.

It is a question he will have to answer. Go directly to the people or go to the existing leaders. Completely different approach.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2013 23:38

that means the ideal crowd pulling SI wear would be
- stripped phattaphatti (desh bhakt colors)
- white dhoti or desh bhakt color lungi, half folded to show the inner stripes half of it.
- MG chappals or hawai chappals
- white jibba or loose torn banian
- a short towel tied either on the head or thrown over the shoulders.
- SI MooKha glasses
- MG stick
- ill-kept hair and unshaven half beard
- or a singham beard
- paan lips, with spit marks on the cheeks
- few rough looks with folded tongue popping out..

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 16 Aug 2013 23:40

That Centreright article is truly alarming. Hope someone from the higher-ups with some brains in the BJP is reading this..
Any chance of Delhi issues getting resolved within the BJP?

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 23:42

Saik,

Don't be ridiculous.
But it is an interesting SDRE image...
You forgot the Bullet or Yezdi in the back ground.

Look at how Yeddiurappa dresses.
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BTW there is nothing new about the Center right article. Some of us pointed this out many moons ago only to get roundly panned by the internet crowd here. Elections are always won at the local level. If NM wants to win he must get down to local level.
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WRT Chattisgarh the security situation has deteriorated alarmingly. You can't drive the roads without being stopped by random people for money. If there is a reason Raman singh gets the boot it will be that one. Increasingly he is restricted to Raipur, Bilaspur, Korba, Bhilai, type areas. There is no presence of administration out in the country side.

The Congress how ever remains ridden with factionalism. The AAP has a surprisingly strong support. Who ever gets the AAP support will win.

yogendra · Post by **yogendra** » 16 Aug 2013 23:43

Theo_Fidel wrote:I don't think he 'rocked' the vote group.

It is a question he will have to answer. Go directly to the people or go to the existing leaders. Completely different approach.

Regarding your first sentence, I and the 2 lakh people who attended would disagree.

And, what is the question he will have to answer?

I guess if you had your way people here in south would have to decide on who our next PM is going to be based on their lungi dance.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2013 23:44

onlee onlee telling truth onlee onlee..

oh yeah.. those would be chelas following up like a brigade in mobike.. stinking alcohol, red eyed, RE maffia gang chained necklace around their necks..

context: general mass that influence big big vote bank market... faster ways to inroads.

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ps: or engage with rajnikanth. ask him to sign up to modi - ek pathar do aam.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 23:50

The Vote in Telangana alone is 20 million +/-. 2 lakh is nothing.....
There are tiny towns I'm driving through that have more vote than that.

If NM wants Rajni's support he is going to have to approach him a certain way...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Aug 2013 23:51

he is a trump card man!! oooh yeah! we are talking big data - hadoop ishtyle!

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 16 Aug 2013 23:53

Rajni can deliver more votes to NM than all the hot hyderabad type speeches put together.....

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 17 Aug 2013 00:00

Theo_Fidel wrote: The Congress how ever remains ridden with factionalism. The AAP has a surprisingly strong support. Who ever gets the AAP support will win.

AAP has been very selective in the states it targets. Delhi, Chattisgarh where ever there is a chance of a close contest.

And if AAP will swing voters any way it will be towards the dynasty.

And from what I have seen on social media, less than 10% Xtian will vote for BJP or Modi. The multi-year propaganda has worked, and the narrative on the media is very sympathetic to the fears they have. Every act of violence is being saffronized.

A priest gets arrested for some conflict in Gaya and he is linked to the blast in the temple.
VHP is now being blamed for Kishtwar riots in the Chindu.

It is shocking to see such blatant lies being peddled by the media. It is an emergency without a declared one.

yogendra · Post by **yogendra** » 17 Aug 2013 00:00

Theo_Fidel wrote:The Vote in Telangana alone is 20 million +/-. 2 lakh is nothing.....
There are tiny towns I'm driving through that have more vote than that.

If NM wants Rajni's support he is going to have to approach him a certain way...

Hmmm, by that logic Sonia must not get any votes for congress right? After all even if she comes (in her sari, ofcourse) to give a speech she would get maybe 2000 people at a max, who in all probability are coming for the biriyani.

Where did Rajni come in from? Because the last post I had sought clarification on the question that Namo must answer.
Is it Rajni? If so i take offence because Rajni can never be a question. He is infact the answer to all questions

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 17 Aug 2013 00:07

BhairavP wrote:That Centreright article is truly alarming. Hope someone from the higher-ups with some brains in the BJP is reading this..
Any chance of Delhi issues getting resolved within the BJP?

That article is just a warning. C'mon guys Modi is an organizational man. He knows that these things have to be fixed. so he heard from someone or read somewhere that DK Shivakumar is wooing yeddy, does that mean anything, to me it means nothing and absolutely nothing to panic over. Look for news just 3 days back, where Namo has made it clear that he will not even step foot in Karnataka next month for the speech until yeddy is properly re-inducted into BJP. So the article opens a can of worms and people who have no knowledge of the modi functions come here and give him advice and talk about AAP getting support in Chhattisgarh (like as if they have ground level workers in Chhattisgarh). Next, has the congress party given any indication of what they plan on doing in bihar?? Do they plan on going alone or with nitish or with rjd?? In that event why should modi disclose what plans he has with marandi yeddy or raj thackeray.

Now I am not trying to be all optimistic here. The only area of concern that is genuine is the delhi election. BJP has no credible leader there or anything different to offer and they will suffer there.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 17 Aug 2013 00:10

Theo_Fidel wrote:I think a white shirt and a red bordered white lungi, worn the 'correct way', with a starched mundu, would go a long way. Perception is everything.....

Sonia gets away with a lot because she always wears a Sari with the widows markings...

Trolling like a boss Theo Saar.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 17 Aug 2013 00:12

VikramS wrote:

And if AAP will swing voters any way it will be towards the dynasty.

You will be surprised to know that in Delhi atleast AAP is cutting into Congress votebank.

Infact why do you think AAP and kejriwal are not getting any media coverage. Trust me if Kejriwal was damaging BJP more, he would have been a darling of media. But instead congressis realized that AAP was attracting sections of electorate that had hitherto been captive vote banks of Congress. Hence instructions were given to media to have a blackout wrt Kejriwal.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Aug 2013 00:13

matter of fact, LKA did reach out to Rajni some years back... but the problem is Shatru who is a Rajini dhost! so NM may not get a hand like LKA could.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 17 Aug 2013 00:13

We can't decide popularity until all 20 million voters in Telangana attend a Modi rally, I guess? Why trust opinion polls, then? Do they even interview 2 lakh people? Or just several thousand? By that logic, every opinion poll needs to be a full-fledged election, where every single voter is interviewed. And every rally has to have a voter participation of >50%, before it can be deemed a success. Otherwise, we can't claim that any leader "rocked" any voter group.

How exactly should Modi go about shedding his GJ image? Speaking to a Telugu rally crowd in Telugu doesn't cut it, obviously. Modi, no doubt is a GJ chauvinist - witness the way he selectively extracted Gujarati victims from the UK disaster site, while thumbing his nose at the remaining hapless Indians. Shocking display of narrow-minded GJ identity.

He will have to wear a lungi, speak/swear in Madras street Tamil, say macchi and dey naye, saukraki and soplangi. He will have to eat an idli/vada and bonda with day-old chutney, pander to every S. Indian/Tamil stereotype, before he can be said to have overcome his GJ identity.

Well, really now.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Aug 2013 00:16

sudarshan wrote: say macchi and dey naye, saukraki and soplangi. .

try it, and tell your experiences after that

yogendra · Post by **yogendra** » 17 Aug 2013 00:18

darshhan wrote:
VikramS wrote:

And if AAP will swing voters any way it will be towards the dynasty.

You will be surprised to know that in Delhi atleast AAP is cutting into Congress votebank.

Infact why do you think AAP and kejriwal are not getting any media coverage. Trust me if Kejriwal was damaging BJP more, he would have been a darling of media. But instead congressis realized that AAP was attracting sections of electorate that had hitherto been captive vote banks of Congress. Hence instructions were given to media to have a blackout wrt Kejriwal.

That is exactly my reading too. I actually point my die hard congress friends (who cannot be converted to the saffron fold) to AAP as a better alrernative. So far all of them have been convinced

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 17 Aug 2013 00:23

yogendra wrote:
Where did Rajni come in from? Because the last post I had sought clarification on the question that Namo must answer.
Is it Rajni? If so i take offence because Rajni can never be a question. He is infact the answer to all questions

Are you asking questions to someone who has ears on the ground? You listen and enjoy the comedy unfold. . You dont question. Just like you dont question when Power is expressed in KWhr.