Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 16 Aug 2013 17:34

We should consider a limited war or stand off with Pakistan before elections. This will have influence on the elections.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 16 Aug 2013 17:47

TSPA as may very well happily oblige..

The thing is, Dilli Billi is in power throughout the Indo-Gangetic plains. The Dilli billi on either sides will not take too drastic steps to eliminate each other. The this is that both in TSP and India, the dilli billi is being slowly replaced, due to their own corruption, ideologically purer ppl. TSP is inverse and distorted, but a mirror image of Desh. they have to follow the trend started in desh, they are bound by that inevitable connection. when this replacement of dilli billi is complete, this will offset the balance. One of the reasons why India is becoming warm to Hindutva is precisely this. This has been an ongoing cycle since WW1 but has accelerated after Soviet invasion on AFG..

so far as current situation is concerned, the dilli billi across the border can easily provide that opportunity to dilli billi on our side to appear strong and stay in power by taking few blows. It may not be a limited war (even limited way is too big for this), but well managed retreat after border skirmishes which are properly covered be paid media of desh and credit is given to MMS for showing the spin.

India has no choice but to be on defensive for next 5-6 years at least. Just hold on and survive until 2020. World is ours, there after. One can clean things up internally, meanwhile.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 16 Aug 2013 18:06

Atri garu ji, we can have that started right here right now.

Did you read the post by Jagan ji on INA history. Its strange how the devil plays both sides. Mayavi shaktian indeed.

The Admission on Page 3 bottom:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1496855

The blog:
http://osmaniac.blogspot.in/2013/08/an- ... -army.html

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 16 Aug 2013 18:15

Warm to Hindutva? How do you say so? There was an interesting war of words on Arnab's show yesterday. Sushil Bahn put down chardam and moksha analogy that Modi used in his yesterday's speech. I have heard it once earlier from Modi. Anyway Sushil's point was that nobody is interested in moksha these days. Arnab stepped in and put a full stop to Sushil's opinion.

My opinion is that NaMo attracts the youth because of his no nonsense approach and development plank. India is too vast, and because of the unorganized nature of desh it is tough to predict the sentiment. One of the things we know for sure is people vote on caste calculations.

Pakistan will play a role in the next election. Just my guess or fear.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Aug 2013 19:59

niran wrote:
chaanakya wrote: “Stockists have started releasing stocks intermittently in anticipation of lower quantity of goods in warehouses. Since stocks at 2.7 million tonnes are 5-10 per cent lower across the country, compared to the last year, stockists are making profits to the maximum extent possible,” said R P Gupta, director, NHRDF.
see the report you post says "stockist" (aahartiya ) are intermittently releasing the stocks in plain angalaise it is "Hoarding to jack up the price"
as to why kangrez is allowing it have no idea, i have a loooong list of kangrez folly since they beat up and killed middle aged people
sleeping in Ramlila maidan,either in this thread or in the other thread have had expressed me concerns, 2 decades ago when me had no greys on me head would have laughed at them, but misfortunately me have lotsa greys now, me is really worried as to why kangrez is committing these folly and allowing the opposition to gain.

Stockists will have some leverage in hoarding but they generally move out old stocks and store new ones as new crops comes in. If new crop does not come in then they may release it slowly jacking up prices. Clearly new arrivals were affected. Also there is no storage control order on Onion and Potato or vegetables in general. They are not essential commodities under the Act. Hence , technically , they are not hoarding it.

Now why this script is being played when INC is in power and they control the onion export , even when shortage is expected, is mystery to me. Same trick was played out in 2004 when Nafed had refused to stop export despite acute shortage and BJP did not know how to react as farmers could have been incited by INC otherwise.

Now , it seems that they would import from pakistan among other countries, same action that BJP took and that went against them. But INC, being sickular, may gain. Who knows.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Aug 2013 20:13

Vijay Goel is not Delhi’s man

Most Delhiwallahs feel their city is heading in the right direction (womens safety being a notebaly exception) and after 15 years of Shiela Dixit would like fresher, younger blood at the helm of affairs, but are not adamant about this, especially if the alternative is inferior.

In this context, Vijay Goel is not Delhi’s man.

All the BJP had to do in this election was to provide a semi-competent alternative leader. With Shiela Dixit at her weakest in years and the double centre-state anti-incumbancy, this should have been a state for the BJPs taking. Increasingly, Vijay Goel is proving that he is not the man for the job.

Handpicked by Vajpayee, he served in the PMO as a Minister of State and had various stints in the Parliamentary Affairs, Sports and Statistics ministries during the NDA regime. In a government that is credited with bringing about amongst the most significant achievements in Indian history, Vijay Goel stands out as a rare Minister who had no significant achievements.

During his stint at the Sports Minister, he happened to sign off on Delhi’s bid to host the Commonwealth Games – something he cannot really take personal credit for. His most significant achievement was to ensure the government paid the medical bills of an injured hockey player. Arguably, not a bad decision but with our crumbling sporting infrastructure and significant challenges in the field, the fact that this was his most significant achievement is uninspiring.

In the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs, his signature achievement, beyond several ribbon cutting events, was to change the format of the gate-pass given to visitors and tourists. Not exactly a path-breaking reform!

Vijay Goel’s most significant achievement however has been his central role in the movement to ban the lottery in India in the early 1990s. While it is true that scrupulous lottery dealers did exploit the poor and illiterate, the decision of the state to ban the lottery altogether is part of worrying illiberal trend. As Narendra Modi is winning support across the country with his ‘minimum government, maximum governance’ mantra – Vijay Goel’s ideas stand in direct contradiction. Problems surrounding the lottery in India such as the lottery mafia and illicit ticket sales are law and order problems. Efficient law and order machinery can eliminate these issues. As an insight into Goel’s mind, clearly he has no issues with using the might of the state to simply ban practices he considers immoral, but are voluntarily engaged in by people. This is ‘maximum government, minimum governance’. What is next? Ban textbooks to counter the textbook mafia in Delhi?

Also for a supposed Hindu hardliner, what about Diwali and its long tradition of playing cards that is part and parcel of our cultural heritage? Will he ban that too?

There are rumors that his distaste of letting people make their own decisions extends to alcohol. Will he declare Delhi to be a dry state? Will he shut bars and restaurants at 11pm? Now whether you agree with these policies or not, (and I will admit to finding such ideas ridiculous) a party platform on prohibition could be electorally disastrous in Delhi. If the Delhi Gymkhana stops serving whisky-soda’s, what will every retired bureaucrat, judge and army officer do on a Sunday evening?

When it comes to his policy on power, Goel has in a fit of populist desperation announced an across the board 30% reduction in tariffs. Yes, prices are high but across the board cuts are not the answer. Both Narendra Modi and Shivraj Chahan have achieved close to a 24X7 power supply due to an understanding that people don’t mind paying a little more as long as the power supply is guaranteed. Moreover, you check leakages and cut illegal power supply to complement increasing power generation capacity. Next, you can offer subsidies and cash transfers to the poor who may not be able to afford it. This is the BJP model that is working and being appreciated, why Goel is behaving more Congress than the Congress is baffling.

With several media outlets reporting that despite the recent hike in tariffs, the shortfall and wastage is so great that up to 4 hour of power cuts a day may be a reality in the coming weeks. Not only will Goels populist proposals lead to stagnation in the city’s energy sector (Are we supposed to live with power cuts for the next few decades as long as the prices do not increase?) but he demonstrates a remarkable lack of foresight, new ideas and stands apart from the more sensible routes taken by the BJP states.

Even in his campaign, which has been largely limited to Delhi’s urban villages, he shows a remarkable lack of foresight and fresh ideas. Delhi’s villages are either solidly Congress or BJP and unlikely to electorally budge, the swing constituencies in Delhi are largely the middle-class/upper-middle class colonies of Malviya Nagar, Vasant Kunj (Bijwasan), Karol Bagh, Ambedkar Nagar, Model Town, Shahdra, Patparganj, Chhatarpur etc. These are also areas where even if a few hundred people vote for the Aam Admi Party, the split in opposition votes cam ensure that the Congress will carries each of these swing constituencies and along with its core constituencies’, win the election by default.

What the BJP needs is a push against this candidate and as a concerned Delhiite, please tweet, talk and do anything small or big that you can to ensure that the BJP presents a viable candidate. Rumor has it that several BJP leaders are waiting on the sideline, anyone of which would be a far better candidate.

Delhi needs a Chief Minister with integrity, new ideas, foresight and a future-driven outlook. Vijay Goel is not Delhi’s man!

http://centreright.in/2013/08/vijay-goe ... elhis-man/

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Aug 2013 21:50

Election Commission to use VVPAT system at bye-election in Nagaland

http://www.sify.com/news/election-commi ... jbbie.html

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Aug 2013 22:27

According to twitter-
internal survey by congis show them getting less than 20 seats in Delhi assembly if held today. It is fast losing its core voters esp urban constituency and young voters.

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also over India as a whole.(at elast 150+ LS seats)
This could spell doom to congis as they cannot form govt, but still strong enough to prevent NaMo led govt.

NaMo still has miles to go ---> Juggernaut should contiue to roll relentlessly across India.
elections still few months-- hopefully multiple rallies and more campaigns with contiuing folly of congis should help it make it a reality--> NaMo as PM.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 18 Aug 2013 09:14

It is not only about winning Delhi. It is also about improving the lot of People with better governance and fresh ideas otherwise Kangress will be back in 5 years. After all BJP needs to be different from Kangress.
Offcourse you don't know you might find another SSC or NaMo or Raman Singh once he or she is elected to CMship.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Aug 2013 09:57

So actor Vijay has joined DMK. Prospective Samuel Reddy for TamilNAdu.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Aug 2013 11:35

^^Is Vijay xtian? Didn't know that. Liked the 'tupaki' movie dubbed from Tam into telugu.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 18 Aug 2013 12:20

Atri wrote:TSPA as may very well happily oblige..

The thing is, Dilli Billi is in power throughout the Indo-Gangetic plains. The Dilli billi on either sides will not take too drastic steps to eliminate each other. The this is that both in TSP and India, the dilli billi is being slowly replaced, due to their own corruption, ideologically purer ppl. TSP is inverse and distorted, but a mirror image of Desh. they have to follow the trend started in desh, they are bound by that inevitable connection. when this replacement of dilli billi is complete, this will offset the balance. One of the reasons why India is becoming warm to Hindutva is precisely this. This has been an ongoing cycle since WW1 but has accelerated after Soviet invasion on AFG..

so far as current situation is concerned, the dilli billi across the border can easily provide that opportunity to dilli billi on our side to appear strong and stay in power by taking few blows. It may not be a limited war (even limited way is too big for this), but well managed retreat after border skirmishes which are properly covered be paid media of desh and credit is given to MMS for showing the spin or something similar.

India has no choice but to be on defensive for next 5-6 years at least. Just hold on and survive until 2020. World is ours, there after. One can clean things up internally, meanwhile.

This is What I said few days ago about Paki-Dillibilli giving a nominal victory to Delhi-dillibilli to help them be in power so that every thing goes about as business as usual.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1497042

This is what I said few days ago.. And here we have Tunda being thrust upon India as his VRS pension scheme. It is being played out as "major success of MMS" forgetting the fact that this Tunda fellow is above 70 and riddled with diseases. This is the trick to have him treated at AIIMS or Breach-Candy for free plus give something to MMS to harp about. By the time this TUnda fellow will be pronounced guilty by all three tiers of Indian judiciary, he will be at least 80 OR dead. Or may be there will be a speed trial and old man will be hanged before the election with appropriate media hype

It is a welcome news, nevertheless. Yet, I cannot help but smell some perfidy and molly-coddling of MMS and GOI.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 18 Aug 2013 12:33

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Is Vijay xtian? Didn't know that. Liked the 'tupaki' movie dubbed from Tam into telugu.

The real question is ...
Is he an EJ type ?
I don't mind voting for a Christian if he is a Bhumiputra and who detests like me those who have hitched their interests to the evangelical or papal institutions from abroad. After all Tessy Thomas too is a Christian.
But since he joined the the supposedly atheist yet particularly anti-hindu MuKa looter gang (whose closeness to EvanJehadis is well known) while not disavowing his neoconvert EJ roots in favor of a pan religious ideology like at least the Tamizh nationalism which DMK supposedly pursues I guess he became just another nonentity for me.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 18 Aug 2013 12:53

Atri wrote:
Atri wrote:TSPA as may very well happily oblige..

The thing is, Dilli Billi is in power throughout the Indo-Gangetic plains. The Dilli billi on either sides will not take too drastic steps to eliminate each other. The this is that both in TSP and India, the dilli billi is being slowly replaced, due to their own corruption, ideologically purer ppl. TSP is inverse and distorted, but a mirror image of Desh. they have to follow the trend started in desh, they are bound by that inevitable connection. when this replacement of dilli billi is complete, this will offset the balance. One of the reasons why India is becoming warm to Hindutva is precisely this. This has been an ongoing cycle since WW1 but has accelerated after Soviet invasion on AFG..

so far as current situation is concerned, the dilli billi across the border can easily provide that opportunity to dilli billi on our side to appear strong and stay in power by taking few blows. It may not be a limited war (even limited way is too big for this), but well managed retreat after border skirmishes which are properly covered be paid media of desh and credit is given to MMS for showing the spin or something similar.

India has no choice but to be on defensive for next 5-6 years at least. Just hold on and survive until 2020. World is ours, there after. One can clean things up internally, meanwhile.
This is What I said few days ago about Paki-Dillibilli giving a nominal victory to Delhi-dillibilli to help them be in power so that every thing goes about as business as usual.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1497042

This is what I said few days ago.. And here we have Tunda being thrust upon India as his VRS pension scheme. It is being played out as "major success of MMS" forgetting the fact that this Tunda fellow is above 70 and riddled with diseases. This is the trick to have him treated at AIIMS or Breach-Candy for free plus give something to MMS to harp about. By the time this TUnda fellow will be pronounced guilty by all three tiers of Indian judiciary, he will be at least 80 OR dead. Or may be there will be a speed trial and old man will be hanged before the election with appropriate media hype

It is a welcome news, nevertheless. Yet, I cannot help but smell some perfidy and molly-coddling of MMS and GOI.

Atri ji,
More like Paki's pushing up a alkeeda no 3 turd to float to the top for amreki bosses to pick when ever they press for progress on WOT.
Similarly,
When ever Indian people demand action on terror the Indian agencies press the gelf sheikhs to push up a turd and on being obliged, he is promptly picked by Indian agencies on Nepal border with a Paki passport. Next comes the parade by the congress govt (whose home minister addresses Hafiz Saeed as Saheb) where it claims its success in fighting terror onlee.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 18 Aug 2013 13:16

While Nepali are busy in politics, the Nepal border idea is not to be underestimated perhaps. Ropers from, not BD borders but Nepali borders of course could be the new thing all over. This somehow coincides with 'progress' in phases. The locals are busy during plantation season and not therefore present all through the year. At this point of time ropers are available hovewer locals can't get the same job on return so locals go back with rural employment schemes. This can happen indirectly too - first UP personnel and then ropers when UP personnel go back to visit home. All form MNREGA candidates only while ropers slowly get permanent jobs. Such is issues with progress - what to do only.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Aug 2013 16:38

NaMo and his team have a major fight on their hands. lot of ground work to be done.
Imagine over 13 lakh voters are bogus in Delhi - being a small state with 70 assembly seats.
This is virtually unbeatable combination with core vote constituency of congis.
BD immigrants have also got Aadhar cards.
what about other states partcularly vulnerable ones in NE.

congis seem hell bent on destroying India.

wonder how its supporters all over India are ok with it.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 20 Aug 2013 07:01

Sushupti wrote:So actor Vijay has joined DMK. Prospective Samuel Reddy for TamilNAdu.

He will be killed within the DMK. Thats all i can say, nothing more on this forum

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Aug 2013 11:42

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tamil-superstar-vijay-thanks-j.-jayalalithaa-for-intervening-in-thalaiva-release/1157542/

"I wholeheartedly thank the Chief Minister for having solved the problem, inspite of her busy schedule.

"Due to some threats to theatres, 'Thalaiva' could not be screened as scheduled on August 9. This has disturbed me, producer, distributors, theatre owners and fans. Chief Minister has intervened and acted in a manner, in a befitting reply to the articles, which appeared in the media," he said.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Aug 2013 06:09

From rediff: UPA govt is headed for a major storm

The scam-ridden United Progressive Alliance government is staring down the barrel once again.

A latest expose involving gross impropriety on the part of a government servant who has been dealing with sensitive issues and government institutions in New Delhi, is set to once again embarrass Manmohan Singh’s government.

It is believed that a highly-distinguished non-Congress Member of Parliament has in his possession details of a foreign bank account that would not only tarnish the government servant but also hit the UPA government hard.

The widely-respected MP whose credibility is unquestionable has written to the Prime Minister to verify the details of the illegal account in Union Bank of Switzerland's Singapore branch.

When contacted by rediff.com, the MP declined to speak.

He merely said, "Please wait. Let Parliament get stabilised."

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Aug 2013 09:52

The UnReal Times: Google requests UPA to not launch yet another Rajiv Gandhi scheme citing indexing problems

Google Inc has requested the UPA to refrain from launching yet another scheme named after Shri Rajiv Gandhi. The request comes in the wake of mounting speculation that the Food Security Bill may be named after the late leader, thereby adding to the kitty of the thousand and odd central schemes named after one of India’s tallest and most dynamic leaders.

Google CEO, Larry Page, said that it is becoming impossible for Google’s crawlers to index all the schemes, universities, ponds, bridges, roads and stadiums named after the late leader. “No matter how hard we try, the UPA has been one step ahead of us in spawning more Rajiv Gandhi schemes than we can index. While we endeavour to improve our search infrastructure , we request the UPA to give us some time to play catch-up,” was the plaintive appeal from the CEO of the internet technology giant. Googlebot, the crawler that day in and day out crawls the web to index pages, seconded his boss’ statement. “Just as I finish one cycle of web-crawling, I am told these Congress chaps have named three dozen roads, 54 universities and 400 roads after Shri Rajiv Gandhi. Guys, give me a break. I may be a bot but I too have a life,” he moaned.

Larry also confirmed that the Google outage a few days ago was caused by a search query on the list of Rajiv Gandhi schemes. “Google was down for a few minutes between 23:52 and 23:57 BST on 16th August as it struggled to fetch all the page links. Later, using Google Earth, we managed to trace the request to some place called 10, Janpath in New Delhi. We’ve requested the denizens of that location to refrain from using such search terms again,” he revealed.

Union Telecom Minister Shri Kapil Sibal has rejected Google’s concerns. “When they don’t cooperate with us in filtering material that is grossly offensive or has menacing character, then why should we oblige them by not coming up with new schemes after our beloved leader? I have zero sympathy for them,” he scoffed before heading to Rajiv Bhavan to celebrate Rajiv Gandhi’s birth anniversary.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 21 Aug 2013 11:25

Cross posting:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1497827

Agnimitra wrote: Dalit killed, 40 hurt for unfurling tricolour in Bihar village
SASARAM: A dalit villager was stoned to death and at least 40 people were injured, eight of them seriously, as a 500-strong mob of upper caste men attacked them for defying their diktat of not to unfurl the tricolour in front of a temple of Sant Ravidas at Baddi village in Rohtas district, 160km from Patna, on Independence Day.

<sniped>

Rohtas district JD(U) president and Karakat MLA Rajeshwar Raj, on his return from Baddi, said the incident could have been averted had the administration taken precautionary measures. Local leaders of BSP and CPI (New Democracy) burned the effigy of chief minister in protest against the incident.

Karakat has JDU and RJD facing each other off. Then off course the BSP etc. would also want some crumbs. So you can put the things together.

In a short span just after BJP went out, Bihar has had Communal riots, poisoning of kids, Lower caste victimisation. This could as well be directed at Niku.

Perhaps NaMo needs to make his presence felt in these parts. The recent vote by Bihar BJP may itself be a call for help to the central leadership.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 21 Aug 2013 19:47

Sunny Deol will be the BJP candidate against Congress spokesperson and current MP of Ludhiana Manish Tiwari.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 21 Aug 2013 20:42

I hope he still has digh kilo ka ghusa ready!!

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Aug 2013 20:52

MUMBAI: Maharashtra government has sent a proposal to the Centre demanding a ban on three "fascist" organisations in the state.

Addressing the office-bearers of the state unit of Congress here, Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan said the government must not give any latitude to terrorist organisations.

"We have sent a proposal to the Central government demanding a ban on three fascist organisations. I cannot name them here," Chavan added.

Chavan's statement comes a day after noted anti-superstition activist Dr Narendra Dabholkar was shot dead by unknown assailants in Pune.

The Chief Minister compared Dabholkar's killers with those who conspired to kill Mahatma Gandhi.

Taking potshots at Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, Chavan said, "Modi during his Independence day speech started criticising the Prime Minister on economic and foreign policies. However, soon he realised that he has no knowledge in these fields, so he stopped."

He also said that media was targeting the Congress leaders because they were in the government.

"Any baseless allegations by the opposition makes a breaking news. However, the good work done by us does not get acknowledged," he said.

http://m.economictimes.com/news/politic ... 960120.cms

If they can have their way these congressis will ban the opposition party itself - its attack dog dogvijay already called the head of the opposition a fascist.

BTW what r the three "fascist / terrorist" orgs which maha congressis are targeting on the pretext of the recent "activist" killing ?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Aug 2013 21:33

From faking news

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 22 Aug 2013 12:53

had been on a quick visit to desh covering mumbai and pune. quick observations :
- had a taxi driver from UP taking us back from the airport and turned the discussion to politics. He was of the firm belief that Modi will win but only if he is the PM candidate, else both cong and bjp will lose/not gain much. gave the choicest abuses for the gandhi family and blamed them for sidelining patel and shastri etc. this was before modis independence day speech where he touched on the same issues so it seems he in synch with this particular angst that the common man feels. He also said that he interacts with loads of gujrati muslims and the bohri muslims who are educated and businessmen, in general wholeheartedly support Modi. The sunnis on the other hand (woh kaale kapde pehen ne waale) are very much anti modi.
- in pune the congress and their chamchas (kumar ketkar etc) have very cleverly converted the huge publicity on narendra dabholkars murder to an anti RSS campaign, equating it to gandhis murder. but i have a feeling the whole hungama will die down pretty quickly say in a matter of weeks.
- in pune i was very pleasantly surprised to see a very pro-congress family (the "we believe in secularism" type and also who once tried to "objectively" justify kasabs action) somewhat change their colors. the son in law admitted he would vote for modi this time while the father murmurmed about not being interested in all this politics and all the youth being taken up by the modi wave etc.
- MNS presence is everywhere. While everyone says they are not that strong to make a difference i have a sinking feeling on MNS being a very major spoilsport if they do not ally with SS/BJP. there are posters all over the place organising the Dhool (drums) competition for the ganapati festival (a very big thing in pune), there is a brand new shakha office right under my favorite sea food restaurant and 2 of my distant relatives have joined MNS as some mid level organisational people. And these people were not political in anyway. So i am not writing off MNS and i really hope, (with the only objective that NDA should get max seats) that MNS allies with NDA.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 22 Aug 2013 13:38

True that. MNS has realistic chance in two seats and both are INC seats. Pune and Nashik. BJP and SS should allow this. Perhaps one odd seat in Mumbai.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 22 Aug 2013 19:59

From twitter: Albatrossinflight ‏@albatrossinfo
#GoodMove BJP to contest 14 seats and JDS 10 LS seats, 4 LS seats are undecided in Karnataka (BSY decision is awaited) #ModiFormula

It serves many purposes:
1. JDS is giving credibility for NaMo's true secular ideology.
2. Its a message to other parties and Parties that NaMo is a coalition leader.
3. Building up anti-Congress momentum in this country.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 23 Aug 2013 06:27

kmkraoind wrote:From twitter: Albatrossinflight ‏@albatrossinfo
#GoodMove BJP to contest 14 seats and JDS 10 LS seats, 4 LS seats are undecided in Karnataka (BSY decision is awaited) #ModiFormula

It serves many purposes:
1. JDS is giving credibility for NaMo's true secular ideology.
2. Its a message to other parties and Parties that NaMo is a coalition leader.
3. Building up anti-Congress momentum in this country.

If this is true, it is also curtains for Karnataka BJP ......

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Aug 2013 07:48

If this is true, it is also curtains for Karnataka BJP ......

I agree. Such tactics in K'taka don't make much sense. Is the JDS reciprocating by not contesting the seats where BJP will fight?

I understand that the new bhajpa wants to conserve resources by focussing laser-like on winnable seats only. What point fighting all out in vokkaliga strongholds in the south? But symbolic resistance should be there unless JDS swears to reciprocate by not contesting in BJP seats. IMVVHO, only.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 23 Aug 2013 07:59

Hari Seldon wrote:
If this is true, it is also curtains for Karnataka BJP ......
I agree. Such tactics in K'taka don't make much sense. Is the JDS reciprocating by not contesting the seats where BJP will fight?

I understand that the new bhajpa wants to conserve resources by focussing laser-like on winnable seats only. What point fighting all out in vokkaliga strongholds in the south? But symbolic resistance should be there unless JDS swears to reciprocate by not contesting in BJP seats. IMVVHO, only.

In the last Assembly elections, the only region that stood by the BJP in Karnataka was Bangalore Urban. By making an alliance with a openly corrupt and casteist creature like Deve Gowda, the BJP is only going to lose the one region that the BJP is still strong in (the Bangalore city). There are some arguments for bringing back Yediyurappa. There are some arguments against him too. But the real point is that the BJP should grow on its own strength. If it is dependent on parties like the JD(S), the BJP will be reduced to become what it became in Andhra Pradesh in the late 90s.

Most Andhra people will remember that the BJP had several strong leaders in Andhra in 1998. They even managed to get the Kapu vote in coastal Andhra, thanks to Mudragada Padmanabham (where is he, by the way,now?) and had other powerful leaders like Ale Narendra and Vijayashanthi (who had considerable influence in Telangana). They made a suicidal alliance with TDP and where are they now?

Similar was the case in Assam. In 1998 and 1999, the BJP had done superbly in the Lok Sabha elections. But they allied with the AGP in 2001 Assembly elections, and the party went downhill.

Elections are not won by making opportunistic alliances. They are won by growing the strength of the party.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Aug 2013 09:59

I had in the past, mentioned that a "arrangment" with JDS makes far more sense in Kkta than getting over Yeddi, who is now fully a congress cats paw. JDS still is a independent entity and for short term, till they can get their act together, that is the preferred party to go with.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Aug 2013 10:20

Sanku wrote:I had in the past, mentioned that a "arrangment" with JDS makes far more sense in Kkta than getting over Yeddi, who is now fully a congress cats paw. JDS still is a independent entity and for short term, till they can get their act together, that is the preferred party to go with.

I disagree. Getting Yeddi back (who can at best be accused of nepotism) is far better than tying up with corrupt dinosaurs like JDS and yielding non-Congress space.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Aug 2013 10:33

Supratik wrote:
Sanku wrote:I had in the past, mentioned that a "arrangment" with JDS makes far more sense in Kkta than getting over Yeddi, who is now fully a congress cats paw. JDS still is a independent entity and for short term, till they can get their act together, that is the preferred party to go with.

I disagree. Getting Yeddi back (who can at best be accused of nepotism) is far better than tying up with corrupt dinosaurs like JDS and yielding non-Congress space.

Actually Yeddi's biggest crime is anti party activity, as CM, corruption etc charges against him are small change, those are not the issue. The issue is that he back stabbed BJP for personal power.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Aug 2013 13:42

True but if Uma Bharti and Kalyan Singh can be back so can Yeddy i.e. if Modi is to maximize his chances in Kt.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Aug 2013 13:47

Supratik wrote:True but if Uma Bharti and Kalyan Singh can be back so can Yeddy i.e. if Modi is to maximize his chances in Kt.

I agree, but for that, Yeddi also has to want to mend fences, like the other two. It takes two to clap, but only one to slap.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 23 Aug 2013 23:50

Sanku wrote:
Supratik wrote:True but if Uma Bharti and Kalyan Singh can be back so can Yeddy i.e. if Modi is to maximize his chances in Kt.
I agree, but for that, Yeddi also has to want to mend fences, like the other two. It takes two to clap, but only one to slap.

I think yeddy is ready to mend fences, becos he has nowhere else to go. it is just some bloated ego among bjp top brass that is stopping the party from welcoming him back.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 24 Aug 2013 02:05

Supratik wrote:
Sanku wrote:I had in the past, mentioned that a "arrangment" with JDS makes far more sense in Kkta than getting over Yeddi, who is now fully a congress cats paw. JDS still is a independent entity and for short term, till they can get their act together, that is the preferred party to go with.

I disagree. Getting Yeddi back (who can at best be accused of nepotism) is far better than tying up with corrupt dinosaurs like JDS and yielding non-Congress space.

Agreed, yeddi may be egotistic, nepotistic but deve gowda is just malevolent.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 24 Aug 2013 09:12

A Ex-BJP man (and the one who built BJP in KA) any day over a foe who is bound to spit on them one day.

SPattath · Post by **SPattath** » 24 Aug 2013 11:48

Combined BJP+KJP+JDS has lost both the Lok Sabha by poll seats in Mandya and Bangalore Rural to Congress, 2014 looks bleak for BJP in Karnataka