Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Sushupti]

Narendra Modi is PM material, no one is better than him, says Sadhu Yadav

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/narendra-mod ... 37-64.html

IMO, one condition of the deal between Dynasty and Nitish is to remove Lalu by sending him to jail in fodder scam. Lalu is saying (Through Sadhu) to Dynasty that Yadavs will go for BJP in case you touch me. In all this Lalu is keeping mum and not bothered about Muslims suspecting his secular credentials. Other day some MLC ( a yadava) praised Modi.

[Vayutuvan]

^ tch tch tch - so much venom for fellow non-brahmins .

(guys and gals - pliss to understand the irony here - you know I am not a casteist. I am dead set against any kind of prejudices - just sayin').

[sooraj]

Charity for poll wins will not help rural India develop: Narendra Modi
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 880916.cms

[devesh]

The water is under the bridge now; before RSS/BJP stuck their neck to support Modi....I had said if Modi had to step out of BJP - so be it. ....

thank jesus for small favors. onlee.
well...good thing Modi and his advisers were clearly not taking your advise then. vinasha kale vipareeta buddhi...in Modi's case he seems to be heading in the opposite direction.

[Hari Seldon]

Cong spokies seldom utter anything but truth. Here's a sample of Cong shibboleths...

It will be easier for Congress if Modi is appointed BJP's PM candidate, says Rashid Alvi

Yawn and move on. Poor alvi must be desperate to se his name in print. Its been, what, a week already since the last time that happened. No? A week's a long time in pole-tics after all...

[SwamyG]

The water is under the bridge now; before RSS/BJP stuck their neck to support Modi....I had said if Modi had to step out of BJP - so be it. ....

thank jesus for small favors. onlee.
well...good thing Modi and his advisers were clearly not taking your advise then. vinasha kale vipareeta buddhi...in Modi's case he seems to be heading in the opposite direction.

Lol. If you had observed, it was RSS/BJP who stepped behind him, so Modi did not have to take any drastic step. This vinasha kale...has been overused in BRF for some time now. It is a like kids getting a new toy to play, hopefully the kids get a old toy in a newer packaging pretty soon.

BRF has set a very low bar for Modi/BJP.

[chaanakya]

to the guys here who understand bihar politics in depth, are the bihar forward castes (bhumihars etc..) and Yadavs rival groups?? Can they be co-opted under one power structure?? Kahin aise tho na hojaye ki bjp ko yadav vote bhi na mile aur sadhu yadav ke saath rishte badane ke chakkar mein fc vote gaya??

Boss, Not only Fc but other castes are rival to Yadavas. Sadhu is a poison pill. He is criminal , prime accused in Shilpi rape and murder case in Patna and many more . During Laloo reign he was Bahubali terrorising all and sundry. This feloow fell out of favour with laloo , though brother of Rabri devi, and joined INC , lost seat and INC did not gain single Yadava vote.

There are many other Yadava leaders , who could be promoted , without carying the garbage of Laloo legacy of period of dark rule in Bihar. Bihar heaved a sigh of relief after laloo was voted out. People of Bihar are angry with NiKu for breaking off with BJP . Why? they fear that Laloo and consequently Bahubali Yadavas might return Bihar to Dark ages.

of course splitting of votes would benefit RJD to some extent. but my feeling is that Left might become unintended beneficiary. While JD would suffer substantially. Muslim will never question laloo's credentials as he arrested LKA at the peak of his popularity. No one in politics has shown such courage , not in Bihar.

Well, what options are there for FC and other castes including Dalits?? They would have three options to vote for: JDU, INC and Left. They will be split badly. That is the game plan of Laloo, at least to me it seems like that. Recent Bye-Election , in which RJD won, is a pointer in that direction.

If BJP wants yadava Voters, they have to grow new leadership , whose image is better and provides alternate paradigm for Yadavas.

[SwamyG]

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Gujarat is No, 1.......!!! (Must Read)

Yes, but in what...???

Regardless of tall claims of 'India Shining' by the BJP led NDA not striking a chord with the people of India, one man from the same political outfit is making unbelievably tall claims- unfortunately, this time, people are falling prey. Let's look at how Gujarat is performing in some key indices and compare that to other states in our country:

1. Let's start with Industrial Development, that which apparently 'Modi'fied Gujarat:
Gujarat ranks 5th in our country in Foreign Direct Investment and not 1st. Maharashtra stands first, followed by Delhi, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. (Source Reserve Bank of India)

2. Software Exports: Gujarat ranks 11th, and is not even on the map of IT industry in India. Orissa's sofware exports are greater than that of Gujarat!

3. Per capita consumption of electricity: Gujarat ranks 6th.

4. Skills Development: Gujarat ranks 5th.

5. Per capita Income: Gujarat stands 8th behind Andaman and Nicobar islands in this parameter. (Source Planning Commission)

6. The much hyped Narmada Canal: Only 15% of the proposed network of 80,000 sq. Km has been completed in the 18 years of BJP rule in the state!

7. Gujarat is a model of good governance:
1. No Citizen Charter Act in Gujarat
2. No Vigilance Commission
3. No Lokayukta appointed since last 9 years.
4. While even small states like Goa and Delhi have 4-5 RTI commissioners, Gujarat had only one RTI commissioner until HC intervened. Gujarat now has only 2 RTI commissioners. Around 12,000 RTI applications are pending appeal with the RTI commissioner since the last one and half year. Several RTI activists in Gujarat have been murdered by BJP men.

8. Gujarat is hub of Solar energy: Gujarat purchases 650 KW of solar power at Rs.15/ unit while Madhya Pradesh and Tamil Nadu purchase it at Rs. 8 and Rs.6.4 respectively

9. Online Voting in Local Body elections: After spending crores of rupees on this project, the total turnout in online voting is less than 100!

10. Gujarat is pollution free! 3 of the 7 most polluted regions in India are in Gujarat- Vati, Vatva and Ankleswar.

11. Gross State Domestic Product: Gujarat ranks 8th, behind Bihar, Chandigarh, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, UP, Goa, Puducherry.

12. Before Narendra Modi took over as the CM of Gujarat, its Gross State Domestic Product was around 16% since 1981-2001. From 2001, it reduced to around 9.5%

13. Poverty: Gujarat's poverty was 32% in 2001. It reached 39.5% in 2011!

14. In 10 years, 60,000 small scale industries have been closed!

15. 10 lakh educated youth in Gujarat are unemployed!!

16. Literacy: Gujarat ranks 17th amongst the states of India! 17Th!!!

17. Infant Mortality Rate: Gujarat ranks 21st! 21St!

18. Gujarat has the largest number of malnourished mothers and children!!!

19. Gujarat ranks 31st in Per capita Health expenditure!!

A school kid once went to his dad and said he stood first in his class. His dad didn't ask him in what and believed his son. Some time later, his dad found the kids report card. He found that he didn't come first in any of the subjects and didn't understand how this kid could stand first in the class when he failed in few subjects and didn't top the class in any of the subjects. He went to his son and asked, "Son, when and in what did you stand first?" To which his son replied, "Bluffing, papa!"

Now you decide...........Where The Great "Gujarat" stand.........

[Sushupti]

Advani excels in self-goals

Spoilers in the Bharatiya Janata Party refuse to give up. Party veteran LK Advani has slammed Narendra Modi's offensive over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Independence Day speech, saying it was not the day to criticise or condemn, but to appreciate everyone and “realise India's unlimited potential”. He did not take Modi's name but the reference was apparent. Advani wants to run a nameless and faceless campaign, and not just against his own people. Somehow he believes that naming and shaming political rivals constitutes personal attacks, and that is bad. You cannot flay policies and flawed decisions without holding the persons responsible for them.

The BJP has been criticising the Prime Minister' I-Day speeches from the year he began giving them in 2004. What is different this time is that Modi has taken centre-stage in doing so. Perhaps that troubles the likes of Advani. His position has been usurped. What is also different this time around is that a party leader has gone beyond banalities like, “The Prime Minister's address is lacklustre” or that “The speech does not inspire confidence”. Modi said all of this but he also took on the Prime Minister on every major issue the latter raised in his Red Fort address to the nation, rebutting him with the thoroughness which his Government in Gujarat is known for. It was not a rhetorical counter-reply but factual.

And why is Advani so sensitive about Independence Day? If it is a day of reflection and introspection, it is also a day as good as any to call a spade a spade. In the run-up to an election year, the Independence Day address of the Prime Minister offers a legitimate opportunity to the Opposition to comment, to criticise, to hold the regime responsible for its acts of omission and commission. For the nine years gone by, the BJP patriarch and his team have failed to gain advantage for their party despite the many blunders of the Congress-led UPA Government. The good thing is that Advani appears to be an isolated voice even within his so-called camp. Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha, Sushma Swaraj, apparently differs from him, and none of his other supporters has sung his tune on Modi's counter-attack.

Since Advani is so concerned about the propriety of the timing, may we ask him if it had been appropriate of him to launch the Ayodhya Rath Yatra when the dangerous Mandal agitation and counter-agitation had begun to simmer — it eventually boiled over and divided society like nothing else in recent decades? Why did he add to the division by what was clearly a communally-driven agenda? And it is said that Atal Bihari Vajpayee was not comfortable with the idea.

Modi did not make any divisive comment in his reply to the Prime Minister's address. He spoke what the country is saying and raised queries for which the nation is demanding replies. He did not even appropriate Gujarat's progress all for himself; he credited earlier Chief Ministers regardless of their party affiliations for the success.

The ‘strike but not harm' strategy that the BJP has adopted for some time now appears to be an Advani legacy after the veteran leader sought to ‘restructure' his image from being a hardliner to a ‘visionary statesman'. He believes that a statesman like him should not dirty his hands by speaking the truth bluntly and bruising his rivals in the Congress. He is entitled to his opinion and to protect his newly-created persona, but he cannot allow his personal beliefs to come in the way of his party's political prospects. He must remember that he is dealing with a Congress that has consistently lampooned its rivals. It's the same party whose leaders called Modi all sorts of names, including “maut ke saudagar”, and now “khalnayak”. Advani’s righteous indignation over Modi’s choice of words is funny because not too long ago, he had disparaged the Prime Minister as “nikamma” (good-for-nothing).

Unfortunately, Advani's new approach has seeped into the conduct of some central leaders of the party. A good example is the sloppy manner in which the BJP has handled the Robert Vadra affair. To begin with, the party went on an offensive in both Houses of Parliament after intrepid IAS officer Ashok Khemka's detailed letter to the Haryana Government revealed alleged irregularities that Vadra had committed in a land deal with a private real estate developer, and explained why the officer had cancelled the mutation. But suddenly, after raising the pitch, the party retreated and allowed the matter to slip into the background. Political commentators were shocked that the BJP should have allowed a potent subject to fade away. Equally shell-shocked supporters of the party want to know who in the BJP engineered the turnaround and let go an opportunity to expose the Congress on the floor of Parliament. It was a very ‘statesman-like' act to do.

The BJP's ‘rise above party lines' sham is also evident in the manner it has meekly submitted on the food security Ordinance. It is willing to help the Government bring in an Act, with ‘some modifications' in the existing provisions. But many party leaders including Modi and others like Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa consider the proposed legislation fundamentally flawed in its current form, and they want the Government to proceed only after seeking a consensus in a meeting of State Chief Ministers. The Congress is in a hurry to push it through because it wants to establish sole proprietory rights over food security and reap dividends in the coming Assembly and Lok Sabha elections. But why is the BJP helping it out, and that too at the cost of millions of poor who will not benefit from the provisions as they stand today?

Meanwhile the Congress's reaction to Modi's assault on the Prime Minister's speech is feudal and along expected lines. Ridiculing the Manmohan versus Modi confrontation, one senior Congress Cabinet Minister dipped into history and called it a ‘Raja Bhoj versus Gangu Teli' stand-off — in other words, an atrocious comparison between a ruler (Singh) and a lowly subject (Modi). Another Cabinet Minister is reported to have said that Modi was indulging in “Chota munh badi baat” (petty man talks big). He should look at his Prime Minister who has resorted to “bada munh choti baat” (man of stature who talks small). By the way, why has Advani been silent on the crassness of the Congress, even as he allows the party to fire at the Gujarat Chief Minister from his shoulders?

The Congress’s arrogance stinks. Its leaders who utter nonsense must remember that Modi, unlike the babalog in their party, has made it to the national stage by his performance and not by virtue of a surname or by becoming a willing puppet in the hands of a dynasty.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... goals.html

[Neela]

Tavleen singh reiterates an old theory on why the opposition to NM is more about class and caste than about sekularism. Old point, but worth repeating, perhaps.
An outsider in a private club

A long time ago, I said this.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... e#p1487193

Waitaminute cant this not be said of the entire lot of politicians in Delhi. What you are seeing there is an old boys network. Includes LKA, Jaitley. Isnt it common knowledge in Delhi that it is not who you are but whom you know that matters. That ***king elite nepotistic apparatus has to be brought down.

Tavleen Singh says the same thing.

He represents an India that has so far been carefully kept outside the closed doors of the Lutyens's Delhi club. A rough, angry, passionate new India that does not recognise private clubs or their rules and that threatens to tear down the walls that conceal the colonised elite, bred by the British Raj, that continues to control all the levers of political power in India.

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BTW, those who were commenting on the picture of Sonia and LKA to pliss to read this.

So much so that even his former mentor, the tireless Shri Lal Krishna Advani, made an immediate veiled attack on him by saying that Independence Day should be an occasion when political leaders should refrain from criticising each other. Why? Shri Advani then trotted off to Rashtrapati Bhavan and was seen cozying up to Sonia Gandhi at the President's Independence Day tea party. I found this particular detail interesting because of my conviction that the reason why us denizens of Lutyens's Delhi hate Modi so much is because he is a rank outsider. He comes from the wrong class and caste

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JOke is on who now?
Does this not explain why despite scams, border issues, serious security lapses etc, the opposition has let the COngress off the hook?
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thank jesus for small favors. onlee.
well...good thing Modi and his advisers were clearly not taking your advise then. vinasha kale vipareeta buddhi...in Modi's case he seems to be heading in the opposite direction.

It would have played right into Congress hands. It would crack the core BJP support and split Hindu votes. Moreover, it is unfair for long time BJP KaryaKartas. These fellows have worked tirelessly only to be shafted by D4. Modi taking over the BJP instead of abandoning IS way better. No wonder these fellows are charged up now. Remember, the huge crowds wherever Modi goes owes a lot to the KKs.

[vishvak]

Perhaps that explains a little bit why British-Raj-bred club-hopping and political lever-controlling criticism-refraining outsider-hating classy and mutually cozy elite are not able to simply protect maritime interests by working on more Iranian oil even in Rupee account.

Where do interests and aspirations of these mobs lie if these mobs are not working for people.

OT: Any idea if elite schools have good Hindi/regional language teachers?

[Sanku]

People should at least now stop making mythical stories for the past, accept the reality as it is and move on.

Trying to flog imaginary ghosts in BJP for the past, and assuming that some how things have magically turned around would be most short sighted.

[Vipin_Upadhyay]

^^ Sanku ji any Chanakian explanation for Advanijis subtle dig at NAMO after his I-day speech?

[Atri]

Of course, there is.. There may be a second and final Soosai of LKA. I hope it either happens after GE2014 or now (which is improbable). Soosai-1 of this ghatotkacha relieved NDA of ppl like JDU. His final Soosai will relieve BJP and Namo of some prominent dilli-billis.. He has enough sense about when to go Boom...

[chaanakya]

^Bah... this primacy line is crock. classic misdirection. mark my words, namo's formal anointmt will happen sooner rather than later. only.

100% right. It will happen. Namo has 2 things going for him. Micromanagement and foresight. Take the case of bihar. BJP has a decent vote share of 20-25% (basically nitish was using bjp's base). Now lalu will go to jail. mullah vote will go to cong-jdu, yadavs to modi/bjp hence the sadhu yadav reach out

For those who want to mollycoddle that wretched pig called Sadhu , a GRIM REMINDER.
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ry-of-rape

This isn’t an obituary. It has been years. In 1999, I was in the second year of my degree course at college. We went to the same college. I saw her in the corridors. She stood out from the rest.

I saw her that July morning. We attended the same coaching institute. She mostly wore salwar-kameez, and that morning, she was wearing white. I was walking up the staircase, and we brushed past each other.

That night, I presume, she died. Their naked bodies were found in a car parked in a garage. The accused, Sadhu Yadav—brother of Rabri Devi, former Bihar Chief Minister, and wife of Lalu Prasad Yadav, who ruled Bihar for 15 years, by proxy or otherwise—refused the DNA test. The CBI, which took over the case after the family’s complaint, closed it saying it was a suicide, even though medical examination later revealed that the semen on her clothes belonged to more than one person.

When her brother, Prashant Jain, tried to have the case reopened in 2006, he was kidnapped in front of his house. The questions remained unanswered. Why would she commit suicide, and why after taking off her clothes?

http://eternalrebel.blogspot.in/2010/04 ... -jain.html

It is pathetic to see how short lived our memory is and how quickly we forget and forgive the criminals. If you are from Bihar, let me ask you this- Do you remember the infamous Shilpi-Gautam murder case of 1999 ? I guess not. Here is the reminder ..

On 3rd July 1999, the dead bodies of Shilpi Jain and Gautam Singh were found in a White Maruti Zen in the garage of MLA Quarter number 12 under the Gandhi Maidan Police Station, Patna. Shilpi was the daughter of Ujjwal Kumar Jain, owner of Kamla Stores, Patna. Gautam was an office bearer of thr ruling Rashtriya Janata Dal and a partner of MLA Sadhu Yadav, brother in law of Laloo Yadav, in the Silver Oak restaurent located at Fraser Road, Patna. It is also alleged that Gautam's father, Mr. B.N. Singh played a key role in laundering the money of the famous Fodder scam to Swiss banks through hawala. The couple were reported to be missing for last 7-8 hours.

The investigation was held in a shabby manner from the begining. Even before the police could arrive, supporters of a certain politician came at the spot and started agitating, it was not known how they got to know about the incident. The car along with the dead bodies was actually driven to the police station by a constable and later no finger prints could be found on the steering wheel.

I too have not forgotten this and many others. When Sushil Modi says no truck with such elements , better hear him. He is one of the better leader and unsung leader of financial miracle in Bihar .

No wonder INC has no hope in bihar at all with likes of Sadhu

[chaanakya]

जागरण ब्यूरो, पटना। राष्ट्रीय जनता दल सुप्रीमो लालू प्रसाद के साले व कांग्रेसी नेता साधु यादव की गुजरात के मुख्यमंत्री नरेंद्र मोदी से मुलाकात और उसके बाद सियासी गलियारे में हो रही चर्चाओं से बिहार के भाजपा नेता नाराज हैं। पूर्व उपमुख्यमंत्री सुशील मोदी ने साधु यादव और नरेंद्र मोदी की मुलाकात पर कहा है कि 'कोई भी किसी से मिल सकता है, इस पर कोई पाबंदी नहीं है। लेकिन साधु के भाजपा में शामिल होने का सवाल ही पैदा नहीं होता है।'

उधर, कांग्रेस आलाकमान ने साधु यादव के खिलाफ कार्रवाई करने की तैयारी कर ली है। सूत्रों ने कहा, साधु यादव की नरेंद्र मोदी से मुलाकात के बाद ज्यादातर पार्टी नेता नाराज हैं और वे उनके खिलाफ कार्रवाई चाहते हैं।

गौरतलब है कि साधु यादव ने शुक्रवार को अहमदाबाद में मुख्यमंत्री नरेंद्र मोदी से मुलाकात की थी और उसके बाद कहा था कि नरेंद्र मोदी, राहुल गांधी से बेहतर प्रधानमंत्री हो सकते हैं। उनके मुताबिक, 'नमो की गांव-गांव में हवा है, लहर है। गुजरात का विकास देश में छाया हुआ है।' साधु यादव के इस बयान के बाद उनके भाजपा में शामिल होने के कयास लगाए जा रहे हैं।

इस मामले में बिहार कांग्रेस अध्यक्ष अशोक चौधरी ने कहा कि साधु यादव इतने बड़े नेता नहीं हैं कि प्रदेश अध्यक्ष उन पर टिप्पणी करे और प्रदेश कांग्रेस उनके खिलाफ कार्रवाई करे। वे मामूली सदस्य हैं और जिला इकाई ही उनके खिलाफ कार्रवाई के लिए सक्षम है। ऐसे लोगों के लिए कांग्रेस में कोई जगह नहीं है। कांग्रेस प्रदेश मीडिया प्रभारी प्रेमचंद मिश्रा ने कहा है कि साधु यादव की सदस्यता का नवीकरण भी नहीं हुआ है। जब साधु कांग्रेस प्रत्याशी के रूप में चुनाव लड़े थे तो भाजपा उनके आपराधिक रिकार्ड को लेकर दुष्प्रचार कर रही थी। अब नरेंद्र मोदी की तारीफ कर रहे साधु के बारे में भाजपा को जवाब देना चाहिए।

साधु ने कहा, कांग्रेस में हैं और रहेंगे

बिहार कांग्रेस अध्यक्ष के नाम 16 अगस्त को साधु यादव एवं दशई चौधरी ने एक पत्र लिखकर सफाई दी है कि 'हमलोग अहमदाबाद स्थित गांधी नगर में एक निजी कार्यक्रम में भाग लेने आए थे। उसी दौरान माननीय मुख्यमंत्री नरेंद्र भाई मोदी जी ने हमलोगों को चाय पीने के लिए आमंत्रित किया। हमलोग मुख्यमंत्री कार्यालय चले गए और चाय पीकर वापस चले आए। हम कांग्रेस में हैं और रहेंगे।


http://www.indiapress.org/gen/news.php/ ... n/400x60/0

[panduranghari]

Sushma had really begun to belive she has the best chances for PMship for some time now. LKA even exhorted that in some clipped statements. Some like Sushma know that with NMs ascent they stand no chance in the future to be a PM and that they will have to live in his shadow. NMs rise is really a big bad dream for them. Till now they thought there was no chance for this gauche, simple, rustic, SDRE OBC type tea shop to minister sadak chaap kinds to make it into the corridors of power in Delhi where the sauve, well oiled have their says. This has been a scary experience for them to see what they considered gauche is not, what they though is simpleton is not, what they thought is SDRE shivering dhoti types is not, what they thought they can continue belittling someone who started modest is rising in stature above them..it's not digestable to lots of folks in South Delhi..INC or BJP.

If Sushma is this scared, the termite queen must be even more scared. This is really fantasti. I hope sushma resigns. Neither does she bring anything on board nor does she have anything positive to contribute.
In a way it's sad, she was very promising even 10 years ago. But being on congi payroll made her too complacent. Interestingly, Kalyan Singh, Uma bharati, BSY and old allies like JMM returning back while Sushma, love purush leaving shows the people in LKA coterie were kind of responsible for their ouster.

Good for desh onlee. I still believe Modi will not form a new government in 2014 as alluded to be Atriji. In 2016 with absolute majority is better IMO. Best get rid of deadwood like SS. It would send a very positive message.

[SwamyG]

Of course, there is.. There may be a second and final Soosai of LKA. I hope it either happens after GE2014 or now (which is improbable). Soosai-1 of this ghatotkacha relieved NDA of ppl like JDU. His final Soosai will relieve BJP and Namo of some prominent dilli-billis.. He has enough sense about when to go Boom...

A cat has 9 lives so they say. Advani only 2 ?

[Hari Seldon]

^Media out to muddy waters as usual. I'm sure any and every cost/benefit analysis shows sadhu yadav is toxic waste as far as the bjp in bihar is concerned. I do hope NM has reached out to and assured the bihar BJP folks about this. NM should that way be more accessible to party people.

Also, the hurry to see NM as mending all thatis wrong with bjp right asway is understandable. Moves on BSY, Babulal M etc are probably being made backstage. No point moving in public on alliances as CBI-IB are keeping tight watch and will always be happy to scuttle anything promising early on at UPA behest.

[Sanku]

^^ Sanku ji any Chanakian explanation for Advanijis subtle dig at NAMO after his I-day speech?

I think people should take a grip on themselves is my only very non chankian explanation. Every passing breeze is not meant to shake one up like a leaf. Its a long way yet, and multiple calibrations and calculations are required, many contra statements are made, many trial ballons floated and many moves taken and abandoned.

For example, by the standards that this thread is following, the fact that NaMo met Sadhu Yadav, is enough material for him to be pilloried (if one uses the same methods as one being used for most BJP members) -- yet he is not. Unfortunately the reason here is that the thread is resembling more blind hero worship than thinking analyses.

Given that Sadhu Yadav is pure poison -- why did Modi meet him and open himself up to such a self goal?

[Sanku]

For those who want to mollycoddle that wretched pig called Sadhu , a GRIM REMINDER.
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ry-of-rape

Chaanakya san, BRF is worthwhile only because of people like you.

[Vipin_Upadhyay]

^^ Sanku ji any Chanakian explanation for Advanijis subtle dig at NAMO after his I-day speech?

Given that Sadhu Yadav is pure poison -- why did Modi meet him and open himself up to such a self goal?

Sirji, I have not even commented on Sadhu Yadav suddenly deciding to meet NAMO, it's obvious there is nothing NAMO can do if tomorrow say a Maoist unilaterally or under pretext of some political realignment decides to meet him.

My question to you was specific about Advaniji, since throughout this thread you are only the only "tall" poster who continue to defend him for his antics.
Since you may ignore my question once again, let me repeat, on I-Day, NAMO was the only BJP leader who was busy openly tearing-apart Dynasty Congress & MMS meek surrender telecasted live across all DDMs.
Ironically, even before any CON leader could gather courage to react your beloved Tall Leader subtly advised NAMO to be gentle & polite only & not to play so called politics on I-Day .
I am still waiting your response for this Chanakian move by LKA.

[Sanku]

it's obvious there is nothing NAMO can do if tomorrow say a Maoist unilaterally or under pretext of some political realignment decides to meet him..

Are you kidding me?

You are setting worse standards for NaMo than Man mohan even? Why do we want NaMo then?

Lets not be apologists here based on some poor understanding. Na Mo does not need this sort of apologism for support honestly.

Meanwhile I did reply to you, it is up to you to decide why a perfectly good answer is not understood by you.

[SwamyG]

NaMo will attract attention from good, bad and the ugly. NaMo should keep company with the good and shun the other two.

[Hari Seldon]

Wanted, candidates for Congress in UP

yawn.

[muraliravi]

^^ Sanku ji any Chanakian explanation for Advanijis subtle dig at NAMO after his I-day speech?

I think people should take a grip on themselves is my only very non chankian explanation. Every passing breeze is not meant to shake one up like a leaf. Its a long way yet, and multiple calibrations and calculations are required, many contra statements are made, many trial ballons floated and many moves taken and abandoned.

For example, by the standards that this thread is following, the fact that NaMo met Sadhu Yadav, is enough material for him to be pilloried (if one uses the same methods as one being used for most BJP members) -- yet he is not. Unfortunately the reason here is that the thread is resembling more blind hero worship than thinking analyses.

Given that Sadhu Yadav is pure poison -- why did Modi meet him and open himself up to such a self goal?

Yah yah u still worship advani after he sucked up to sonia and drank chai with sonia the biggest criminal in india

[chaanakya]

Sanku Garu, welcome back.

I shudder to think of return of laloo raj or likes of him in Bihar. NaMo can't rule everywhere by being CM in all states. He has to find local leaders capable of forming a Team India to implement his vision. He is certain to attract all kinds of people, as SwamyG said. As a leader he has to discern between wheat and chaff, which he is doing. MSM will take all such and run to the town screaming. We should not get taken in by the Maya of the Mayaavi.

My feeling about LKA is that it is difficult to understand him if we think of him as rival to NaMo. He is not. NaMo is his protege and shares same belief system.

[Sanku]

Yah yah u still worship advani after he sucked up to sonia and drank chai with sonia the biggest criminal in india

Seriously has every pretence of sanity been dispensed with now?

[Sanku]

My feeling about LKA is that it is difficult to understand him if we think of him as rival to NaMo. He is not. NaMo is his protege and shares same belief system.

I agree Chaanakya San, there does not seem to be any good grounds for "competition", apart from the grounds of shared ideology, they are practically a generation apart. In India our value systems are not still messed up to an extent that they will compete, it does not behove either, I suspect that they are both intelligent enough to work together for mutual good.

Of course some smoke and mirrors will be used heavily.

[muraliravi]

Yah yah u still worship advani after he sucked up to sonia and drank chai with sonia the biggest criminal in india

Seriously has every pretence of sanity been dispensed with now?

kyun bhai, hasn't sonia raped (the NAC, conversion, economy, subversion of law, money swindling, assaulting hindu religion in every possible way, giving away indian land, allowing vested foreign interests to operate freely, giving voter id's to bd's) bharat mata hazaar times worse than what even sadhu yadav dreamt of doing to bihar.

[Lilo]

But why target advani for drinking chai with her ?
Next will you target him for breathing same air as her - the photo by shuhupti ji has some innate symbolism and was funny but basing one's arguments on it is foolish .
On the same day advani gave some sound bites for media - people have written whole articles criticizing advani for it
So why dwell on non issues when he can be criticized on real issues ?

[Sanku]

kyun bhai, hasn't sonia raped (the NAC, conversion, economy, subversion of law, money swindling, assaulting hindu religion in every possible way, giving away indian land, allowing vested foreign interests to operate freely, giving voter id's to bd's) bharat mata hazaar times worse than what even sadhu yadav dreamt of doing to bihar.

A few points,

Your attempts at whitewashing some of the most heinous crimes by Sadhu yadav is most distasteful. Exceedingly so. Whatever Sonia has done, does not change that Sadhu Yadav is toxic low life of the sort that even Lalu has trouble being with.

Sonia Gandhi is the leader of largest political party in the country, you may not like it, but it is so, and while YOU may want to boycott congress and Sonia and all the political functions, please note that even NaMo has not expressed such a view. And parliament functions, and tea parties and all party meetings are held and so on.

In fact NaMo regularly is seen with a big hench person of Sonia, viz Gov of Gujarat -- no one ever says that is bad, because the due process of parliament etc demand a few things even amongst political opponents.

Further, there was NO prior parliamentary precedence of a meeting of party heads, on GoI requirement of NaMo needing to meet Sadhu Yadav. It was PURELY political.

The comparisons therefore, is ludicrous.

That said, I am not daft, as to take one meeting of NaMo with Sadhu Yadav and spin a random yarn. The point is, it is best to cease and desist such activities in OTHER cases as well.

There is no shortage of ostensible Modi supporters who "supposedly" wish well for Modi, but want to break BJP by attacking all BJP people. There have been such BJP well wishers in the past who want to break RSS-BJP ties for better future of BJP too.

So thanks but no thanks.

[Lilo]

Hard political reality is that Narendra Modi cannot become PM - Swaminathan Aiyer

Narendra Modi, chief minister of Gujarat, chose Independence Day, August 15, to launch his campaign to become prime minister. He is not formally the BJP's official candidate, but makes no bones about his ambition. Even as Manmohan Singh made one more tepid Independence Day speech from the Red Fort, Modi lambasted him in a rival speech that had his cohorts cheering wildly.

Modi declared contemptuously that Singh was so busy acting as a servant to the Gandhi family that he had forgotten about serving 1.2 billion Indians. He attacked Singh for being soft on Pakistan, for the crash of the rupee, for inflation and unemployment and misgovernance. He challenged Singh to a one-on-one debate on how to run the country. Given his oratorical skills and Singh's lack of them, it would be a one-sided contest.

The BJP party cadres love Modi, and are delighted with his offensive. The media are agog with Modi's speech. Many are analysing the next election as a Modi versus Rahul Gandhi affair.

Sorry, but such talk is idle rubbish. Prime ministers in India are not chosen after a gladiatorial contest between two armed combatants. They are not chosen directly by the people at all, as in the US. Rather, Indian voters choose only a single Member of Parliament from each constituency. Once in a while a national wave can drown local issues (as after Indira Gandhi's death), but typically elections in each constituency focus intensely on local issues and the abilities of individual local candidates. National politics can look very remote at the grassroots level. To see every local contest as a Modiversus-Rahul battle is pure fantasy.

These decentralised battles decide who gets elected to Parliament. Whether Modi beats Rahul Gandhi in opinion polls, or defeats Manmohan Singh in debates, is irrelevant. What matters is how many seats the NDA can get in the election, and how many additional allies it can garner after the elections produce a hung Parliament.

The answer has already come in several opinion polls. All show that a Modi-led BJP has no chance of heading the next government. One typical poll, co-sponsored by Times Now, showed the UPA getting 136 seats, the NDA getting 156 seats, and other parties getting the balance of 251 seats. Voters may be totally disillusioned with Manomhan Singh, but they are not enthused by a Modi-led BJP either.

Is there any way an NDA with 156 seats can get additional post-election allies holding another 117 seats, enough for a bare majority? Almost impossible. It might be remotely possible if the NDA is led by somebody with wide appeal, who can charm and win friends rather than raise hackles. Atal Behari Vajpayee was such a person. Narendra Modi emphatically is not.

He is unquestionably a strong and efficient administrator. Gujarat has prospered under him, and given him three successive terms of office. But he is known as a man who tolerates no opposition, cuts all colleagues to size, and rules with an iron fist. Such a person will fail miserably as prime minister of a disparate coalition that can be brought down by any of several minor partners.

Under Vajpayee, the BJP was able to attract regional leaders like Nitish Kumar, Naveen Patnaik and Mamata Banerjee. Vajpayee assured them that the BJP would not pursue any of its traditional communal policies while in office. He had the flexibility and credibility to deliver.

Modi has neither the same flexibility nor credibility. He prides himself on Hindutva. He can't even bear to wear the traditional Muslim cap or scarf offered by Muslim well wishers. Indian Muslims hate him for complicity in the killing of over 1,000 Muslims in the 2002 Gujarat riots. They do not believe the leopard will change its spots as Prime Minister.

So, regional leaders like Nitish Kumar, Mamata Banerjee, Naveen Patnaik and Chandrababu Naidu treat Modi as poison. They did business with Vajpayee. They refuse to do business with Modi.

Let nobody think that these regional leaders have high moral principles. No, they are cynical opportunists. But as opportunists, they have made a simple calculation: will extra Hindu votes brought in by Modi compensate for the loss of Muslim votes? The answer is an overwhelming "no". And that's that.

Modi may grab the headlines with his driving ambition and rousing speeches. He may greatly enthuse his RSS cadres. But for all his ambition and energy, the hard political reality is that he cannot become prime minister. As Katrina Kaif said in a different context, in her item number Sheela ki jawani...

"I know you wanna get it

But you're never gonna get it,

Tere haath kabhi na aani."

Swaminathan Aiyer bats for Sonia's Delhi durbar damaging his reputation in the process

[Sushupti]

Of course, there is.. There may be a second and final Soosai of LKA. I hope it either happens after GE2014 or now (which is improbable). Soosai-1 of this ghatotkacha relieved NDA of ppl like JDU. His final Soosai will relieve BJP and Namo of some prominent dilli-billis.. He has enough sense about when to go Boom...

Atri Ji, he doesn't have to go boom. He rid BJP of Jackal Kulkarni without doing anything.

[Sushupti]

[SaiK]

^what you expect from mani shankar aiyer's bro?

[Sanku]

Swaminathan Aiyer bats for Sonia's Delhi durbar damaging his reputation in the process

The fact of the matter however is, that SA Iyer, is not talking hot air. There is resistance to Modi amongst others. He DOES NOT have ABV like authority and figure. Heck ABV had to be pulled out by BJP because Advani the man primarily responsible for the work that culminated in 1998 was not acceptable.

Lets accept the reality as it is folks, even if unpalatable. These are REAL challenges before NaMo. Why pretend otherwise?

This however does not mean that like ABV/Advani, NaMo should not, and will not spare a single possible effort in making sure BJP wins, and hopefully a PM which the BJP party wants and as by rights should be.

[harbans]

Lilo ji, what Swami aiyer is saying is on the assumptions put forward by the polls. That may change. But as far as the token polls go, his logic is not wrong per se. Unlike his sycophantic brother MSA, Swami Aiyer has IMHO really good analytical and logical skills. Give him a respectful critical hearing, even if he is on the other side. He deserves that.

[Sushupti]

I wish rest of the supporters of Loh Purush had same foresight as Mr Sinha.

[Sushupti]