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This could have stopped massive conversions in AP and adjacent state/s.
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UPA govt is headed for a major storm
The scam-ridden United Progressive Alliance government is staring down the barrel once again.
A latest expose involving gross impropriety on the part of a government servant who has been dealing with sensitive issues and government institutions in New Delhi, is set to once again embarrass Manmohan Singh’s government.
It is believed that a highly-distinguished non-Congress Member of Parliament has in his possession details of a foreign bank account that would not only tarnish the government servant but also hit the UPA government hard.
The widely-respected MP whose credibility is unquestionable has written to the Prime Minister to verify the details of the illegal account in Union Bank of Switzerland's Singapore branch.
When contacted by rediff.com, the MP declined to speak.
He merely said, "Please wait. Let Parliament get stabilised."
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/upa-g ... 130820.htm
The scam-ridden United Progressive Alliance government is staring down the barrel once again.
A latest expose involving gross impropriety on the part of a government servant who has been dealing with sensitive issues and government institutions in New Delhi, is set to once again embarrass Manmohan Singh’s government.
It is believed that a highly-distinguished non-Congress Member of Parliament has in his possession details of a foreign bank account that would not only tarnish the government servant but also hit the UPA government hard.
The widely-respected MP whose credibility is unquestionable has written to the Prime Minister to verify the details of the illegal account in Union Bank of Switzerland's Singapore branch.
When contacted by rediff.com, the MP declined to speak.
He merely said, "Please wait. Let Parliament get stabilised."
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/upa-g ... 130820.htm
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YSR got his just desserts.ramana wrote:Sushupti, The above post should also be in the 2G thread.
Who is Sonia Gandhi to loot the TTD?
YSR got his stormy helicopter ride after trying to steal Tirupati hills for his EJism.

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By Allah, Truth is spoken. As expected 2022 is very close to the estimate . The first sign will appear after the election in 2014. The foolish path Nehru took in 47 will not let us take detour unless it is washed with the blood of old/current dispensation hell bent on Making Bharti Ajanabi in their own homeland.Agnimitra wrote:Atri ji, I am very nervous about this period. I increasingly get the feeling that the post-2022 consolidation you are looking forward to will happen only after we lose more territory and the secularist "test-case" of J&K fails and bites us badly. In which case there will be (or should be) vengeance and massive bloodletting (or conversions under duress) within the rest of India - though the enemy will hope for further demoralization and apathy.Atri wrote:But the real Bhog of Indrashakti will come up after USA withdraws from AFG, i.e.after december 2014. There will be a fall in west and service sector which will hold the fort for a while, too will suffer. 2015 to 2020/22 is very very very crucial and delicate period for the Mother. We are at our most vulnerable position politically, economically, demographically, militarily and sociologically and also from deracination and awareness point of view of ordinary Hindus.
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That is driven by the power stuctureMurugan wrote:This could have stopped massive conversions in AP and adjacent state/s.
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Can I be a devils advocate - Modi is very black and white and that is not good in dealing with western MNC's. He has sold everything in Gujarat to western MNCs - GDP vs GNP
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Less than five months of import coverage.

watched because Arun Shourie was on the panel.
The rise and fall of India's economy
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-s ... o-featured

watched because Arun Shourie was on the panel.
The rise and fall of India's economy
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-s ... o-featured
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UP is hot spot .. you know what i am talking.. there is also a very big plan.. so it would take time to materialize. there are certain energized folks that needs to be ordained to get things straightened out. It is an ideal spot to be in the middle or in the end of game plan.. and while the awakening states are taken into confidence. it is all about trade-offs, prioritization and planning... only if we can read modi mind to make it more visible.fanne wrote:ya I am suprised, why no meetings in UP?
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It is always wise to devote some time to weaker areas to energise your cadres. also it helps to hsow your strenght to the concerned regional parties that there are committed cadres who can help allies win seats.
ex- in TN, by holding successful meetings , NaMo can kickstart a nascent BJP team there and also make the local regional leaders sit up and take notice. BJP can gain in strenght over years esp now artiste is pushing 90s and not much to live.
In AP he already shown with successful meeting, he has put local leaders on notice.
In odisha , he will demonstarte to Naveen that he is a serious player.
same in kerala- though may not ally with congis or communists.
similarly in NE incluiding WB.
when you have time and elctions are not announced you do these things which take up energy and time.
when elections are announced you consolidate on your strongholds and leave weaker areas as the people would have made up their minds in those areas anyway.
ex- in TN, by holding successful meetings , NaMo can kickstart a nascent BJP team there and also make the local regional leaders sit up and take notice. BJP can gain in strenght over years esp now artiste is pushing 90s and not much to live.
In AP he already shown with successful meeting, he has put local leaders on notice.
In odisha , he will demonstarte to Naveen that he is a serious player.
same in kerala- though may not ally with congis or communists.
similarly in NE incluiding WB.
when you have time and elctions are not announced you do these things which take up energy and time.
when elections are announced you consolidate on your strongholds and leave weaker areas as the people would have made up their minds in those areas anyway.
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AJ has threatened to file suit agianst a congi member for slander etc.
that congi party member apologised in TOIlet blog. he also has no sources to back up his claims against AJ.
congi is prashanth panday of radio mirchi.
good show. BJP showing some spine after all.
BJP ladies are also going full steam.
expecting more fun and pricking of congi lies and obfuscation of facts.
that congi party member apologised in TOIlet blog. he also has no sources to back up his claims against AJ.
congi is prashanth panday of radio mirchi.
good show. BJP showing some spine after all.
BJP ladies are also going full steam.
expecting more fun and pricking of congi lies and obfuscation of facts.

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Sinha angst at ‘soft’ top guns (telegraph)
New Delhi, Aug. 20: BJP MPs today raised an issue that has long rankled with them: the “disconnect” in strategy planning and floor management by Rajya Sabha Opposition leader Arun Jaitley and his Lok Sabha counterpart Sushma Swaraj.
Many MPs said the party ought to be more “confrontationist” against the UPA. “They have read the signals from Gandhinagar correctly. Like Narendrabhai (Narendra Modi), they want the parliamentary leaders to attack the UPA head on,” a source said.
The rumblings unfolded at this morning’s weekly meeting of party MPs. Yashwant Sinha — a Lok Sabha member who has acquired a reputation for being one of the most “outspoken” MPs — pointed to a difference.
He asked why was it that while the lower House was getting adjourned almost daily because the BJP “persistently pursued” contentious issues, the upper House functioned smoothly and even passed legislations.
Sinha’s allusion was to the alleged dodgy land deals transacted by Sonia Gandhi’s son-in-law Robert Vadra. Last week, he raised it in the Lok Sabha and was joined by BJP backbenchers.
On the same day, the BJP brought it up in the Rajya Sabha. Narendra Modi aide and Gujarat MP Purshottam Rupala led the charge from the back but party colleagues seated in the front row kept quiet.
The RSS is learnt to be “furious” with the BJP brass for not taking the campaign to its “logical” conclusion.
Some insiders construed Sinha’s remarks as a “commentary” on the “bonhomie” that Jaitley and his deputy in the Rajya Sabha, Ravi Shankar Prasad, share with junior parliamentary affairs minister Rajiv Shukla, who handles the government’s floor tactics in the upper House.
The Congress’s Shukla, regarded as “affable” across the political spectrum, is Prasad’s brother-in-law. The minister and Jaitley bond over cricket. Jaitley is a BCCI office-bearer. Shukla chaired the IPL until recently.
Asked about today’s meeting, Sinha said: “It was an internal meeting. I don’t wish to say anything.”
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I think they (soft top guns) are still undecided on Loh Purush. There still exist a faint hope, in their mind, that some how their beloved mentor will be back in saddle.Hari Seldon wrote:Sinha angst at ‘soft’ top guns (telegraph)
New Delhi, Aug. 20: BJP MPs today raised an issue that has long rankled with them: the “disconnect” in strategy planning and floor management by Rajya Sabha Opposition leader Arun Jaitley and his Lok Sabha counterpart Sushma Swaraj.
Many MPs said the party ought to be more “confrontationist” against the UPA. “They have read the signals from Gandhinagar correctly. Like Narendrabhai (Narendra Modi), they want the parliamentary leaders to attack the UPA head on,” a source said.
The rumblings unfolded at this morning’s weekly meeting of party MPs. Yashwant Sinha — a Lok Sabha member who has acquired a reputation for being one of the most “outspoken” MPs — pointed to a difference.
He asked why was it that while the lower House was getting adjourned almost daily because the BJP “persistently pursued” contentious issues, the upper House functioned smoothly and even passed legislations.
Sinha’s allusion was to the alleged dodgy land deals transacted by Sonia Gandhi’s son-in-law Robert Vadra. Last week, he raised it in the Lok Sabha and was joined by BJP backbenchers.
On the same day, the BJP brought it up in the Rajya Sabha. Narendra Modi aide and Gujarat MP Purshottam Rupala led the charge from the back but party colleagues seated in the front row kept quiet.
The RSS is learnt to be “furious” with the BJP brass for not taking the campaign to its “logical” conclusion.
Some insiders construed Sinha’s remarks as a “commentary” on the “bonhomie” that Jaitley and his deputy in the Rajya Sabha, Ravi Shankar Prasad, share with junior parliamentary affairs minister Rajiv Shukla, who handles the government’s floor tactics in the upper House.
The Congress’s Shukla, regarded as “affable” across the political spectrum, is Prasad’s brother-in-law. The minister and Jaitley bond over cricket. Jaitley is a BCCI office-bearer. Shukla chaired the IPL until recently.
Asked about today’s meeting, Sinha said: “It was an internal meeting. I don’t wish to say anything.”
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Back in saddle with what -- 10 MPs in 2014?Sushupti wrote:I think they (soft top guns) are still undecided on Loh Purush. There still exist a faint hope, in their mind, that some how their beloved mentor will be back in saddle.
As for Sushma Swaraj -- 'Shadow PM' indeed

These 'leaders' are not representing their voters, and should be sent to the 'back bench' immediately.
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I think Yashwant Sinha has realized the direction the wind is blowing, and is positioning himself to get Finance or External Affairs portfolio (the ones he held in ABV Govt) under a NaMo administration.
Let us hope more of the 'senior' leaders fall in line soon.

Let us hope more of the 'senior' leaders fall in line soon.
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Talking about wind direction... here's a subtle hint to sushmaji who's counting on a safe seat in MP apparently...
Modi finds a place in Chouhan’s campaign posters (TOI-LeT)
Modi finds a place in Chouhan’s campaign posters (TOI-LeT)
so if SSC has also figured out wind direction who does that leave out in the D4, eh? Anant kr?All that changed on Tuesday when Chouhan's rath entered Neemuch for three public meetings in the district headquarters. Here, the posters showed a change of heart with Modi and Shivraj sharing equal space on huge hoardings and publicity posters. There were posters with Shivraj on one side and Modi on the other with the Gujarat CM's slogan, "Yes we can. Yes we will do'' emblazoned.
When TOI contacted state BJP leaders for explanation, none was available.
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could this mean the dynasty is prepping the next gen already? true evidence of long term vision and thinking only...


Congress President Sonia Gandhi's grand daughter Miraya Vadra joined the Gandhi family in paying tributes to her maternal granfather Rajiv Gandhi on his 69th birth anniversary in New Delhi.
Miraya is the daughter of Priyanka and Robert Vadra. Seen here with uncle Rahul Gandhi, mother Priyanka Vadra, Robert Vadra at Vir Bhoomi in New Delhi. (IE Photo: Anil Sharma)
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An exact Indira hair style. She is in to replace pappu.
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Without that fair skin she is (Bianca's daughter) just like an average Indian. I doubt she will have any impact.Muppalla wrote:[img]
An exact Indira hair style. She is in to replace pappu.
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the reputed MP and of impeccable integrity is non other than Maran (born December 5, 1966,
Kumbakonam, ) true to his place of birth, according to telugu word.
Priyanka looks bloated, Natrum Mur is suggested remedy
At this time Loh purush has no mettle its time to go vanaprasthan aka Gone fishing
Kumbakonam, ) true to his place of birth, according to telugu word.
Priyanka looks bloated, Natrum Mur is suggested remedy
At this time Loh purush has no mettle its time to go vanaprasthan aka Gone fishing
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unfortunately gen-next seems to have lost the famed italian/kashmiri fair skin. disaster.
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Why is Jaitley a BCCI office bearer? Sheesh, I see no reason why he has to be involved in the corrupt BCCI. Hopefully his cupboards are clean and there are no skeletons, else he is another lever that Madam can use to get her son or daughter as the next puppeteer.
Murugan: Regarding Tirupati funds, I hear what you are saying. Unfortunately the government controls TTD.
Murugan: Regarding Tirupati funds, I hear what you are saying. Unfortunately the government controls TTD.
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Wasn't he replaced by Jaswant Singh as FM in the Vajpayee govt?Kakkaji wrote:I think Yashwant Sinha has realized the direction the wind is blowing, and is positioning himself to get Finance or External Affairs portfolio (the ones he held in ABV Govt) under a NaMo administration.![]()
Let us hope more of the 'senior' leaders fall in line soon.
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yes they swapped finance and ext affairs after the kandahar episode I think. CT is that he was perceived as not pliant enough by the US pro consul so got shifted out of finance so that more khanpasand decisions could be made.
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it is maya onree saar, Varun Ghandhi and his team is holding small sabhas almost every alternate day these are at the ground levelmuraliravi wrote: Maybe i don't get it, why is he starting off in states where BJP is hardly a player. He went to AP, next TN and then Kerala. Is this a tested and tried campaign strategy to start in weak areas and then move to fence sitting/strongholds areas??
with local village/mohalla residents the attendee very quiet and under the radar but very effective.
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Sire, that is a bold claim which cannot be supported if the 40% of current AP (IOW, Telengana) public opinion is taken into account. Off coors, std disclaimers like moi opinion against yours etc. apply,SwamyG wrote:For example in the current AP, the unity of AP is paramount than say a Rama temple in Ayodhya,
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They took L'enfant terrible, Yogi Adityanath from some train too. You guys could be right. Probably something is brewing. Probably they are trying to set the ground for some overt confrontation to polarize things.
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Crisis and complicity-Pratap Bhanu Mehta
Institutional disrepair lies at the heart of the economic breakdown.
The current economic crisis requires not just fire fighting, but long-term institutional rebooting.
The credible signal we need right now is twofold. First, can India be economically governed in a manner that is compatible with the new accountability revolution? Can it fix serious bottlenecks and uncertainties arising out of past perfidy in land, environment, natural resources, infrastructure, regulation and taxation? These have reverberations across the entire economy. Second, will the government signal that it is not completely self-deluded? Do we have the knowledge base to make good judgement calls? There is very little evidence that we have moved much on either front.
It is no secret that the institutional story is at the heart of the current crisis. Government officials are fond of whispering that the crisis is a product of the combined efforts of the CAG and the Supreme Court. If only they had not used a blunt sledgehammer in the garb of accountability, telecom, real estate and infrastructure would have chugged along merrily and there would be no economic crisis. There is a grain of truth in this argument. The Supreme Court sometimes resorts to on-again, off- again blanket orders, particularly in land and mining matters. In the 2G case, as this column has argued, instead of fixing responsibility precisely and carefully crafting remedies, it went for a slash and burn approach. Let us face it: we have the rule of Supreme Court, and that is reassuring. But whether that amounts to rule of law is becoming a more open question.
The roots of this lie in an untrustworthy government and dysfunctional Parliament. If Parliament had functioned, so many of the bottlenecks could have been cleared. The scams could have been swiftly dealt with by parliamentary committees, and the system could have moved on. If the vacuum in Parliament had not been compounded by a breakdown in government, these other branches of the state would not have acquired the authority they have. There is no point blaming them. Environmental orders would not be so blunt if we could trust the ministry of environment and forests to provide effective and sensible regulation. Our institutional culture veers between anything can be subverted and therefore anything goes, and its counter reaction — a blanket suspicion. An oscillation between these attitudes has now infected every institution, creating more regulatory uncertainty.
But more importantly, as the government got embroiled in scams its instincts were not to set the system on a more transparent, reasoned and credible footing. Instead, it created an institutional knot it will take years to untangle. Bureaucrats have a lot to answer for. But the truth of the matter is, once a system of "collective political responsibility" was replaced by a system where "everybody except me is responsible", routine decision-making was bound to come to a halt. What started out as a vacuum at the top, with the prime minister's attitude, has now become a cancer spreading through the system, subverting the most well-intentioned reform.
Can we reform these institutional cultures? A panic-stricken governance order will create more bureaucratisation rather than less. When P. Chidambaram asks the tax department to meet collection targets, the net result is not better enforcement, it is more arbitrary harassment of honest citizens. In the land acquisition bill, the worrying part is not compensation or definitions of public purpose. It is that it will create a bureaucratic nightmare, which would take years to negotiate. We have, at the moment, a bureaucracy that is both overweening in its formal powers and scared in it actual functioning. A fatal combination.
We thought the private sector would assess risk rightly. In some cases, it got short changed by governance failures. But it is not exactly a state secret that much of the private sector entanglement in so many areas displays the same lack of discipline and hubris that government does. It entered projects less on their technical merits, more on its confidence that it could manipulate the system to extract inordinate returns. At the slightest hint of accountability, the system began to collapse like a house of cards.
Behind the crisis, there is an intellectual failure. There were some honourable exceptions. But economic argument in India has become a blood sport in two respects. First, so much of the economic argument became "by definition" a mode of argument that we lost our grip on reality. Second, even resorting to empirical facts had the "my favourite table versus your table" feel to it, with a few people in responsible positions carefully working different vulnerabilities under different circumstances. But never has a government been so bereft of intellectual candour within the system. Indeed, so many five-star economists in the system were so self-satisfied that they were dismissive of questions that have come to haunt us: sticky inflation, current account deficit etc. Even post crisis, there is much evidence of argument, but little evidence of thinking, in the true sense of the impoverished word. (I should say that we political scientists are probably worse, but then we are also inconsequential!) A couple of individuals may be gifted, but there is no confidence left in the knowledge systems in government. The vote of no confidence from the economy is not just about the government. It is scepticism about whether we can govern ourselves and intellectually grow up.
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^We saw what happened when the BJP allowed the 2G scam to be probed by Parliament - MMS is STILL not being called as a witness.
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Heh. Turns out he got a good deal, given the haircut the Rupee is getting. MMS, not so muchJarita wrote:Can I be a devils advocate - Modi is very black and white and that is not good in dealing with western MNC's. He has sold everything in Gujarat to western MNCs - GDP vs GNP

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Until you sell everything to MNC, sab khushal mangal. Once you start taking independent steps, then either economy or individual is 'accidented'.
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A dated article.
a-great-deal-of-agreement
a-great-deal-of-agreement
Indian politics is beset by too much consensus, not too little
It is often said that the besetting sin of Indian politics is lack of consensus. This lack of consensus makes decisions difficult; everything is subject to a thousand negotiations. We are diverse in so many ways, that a dissensus-producing cacophony seems our natural condition. There is some truth in this superficially correct view. But as often, the surface of Indian politics hides a deeper truth: that our besetting sin may not be lack of consensus, it is too much consensus. We do not get much done because we agree too much.
For all the hoopla over reforms, the development models of all political parties look pretty much the same: the particular differences are due to the timing and context when they were in power. The standard contrast that the BJP cares for growth and the Congress for welfare is so overstated that it cannot even be considered seriously. Both are incremental reformers. Both reform largely when impelled by crisis, and the variations in their stances are variations of circumstance not conviction. Both believe in the rhetoric of the poor first. After all "antyodaya" was a Jan Sangh invention. Both believe in a welfare state, and will gladly expand a range of entitlements, as BJP governments have been doing in states. Both have a roughly similar approach to major subsidies. Both have socialists who turned liberalisers and vice versa. Neither believes in small government. Even Narendra Modi, with his slogan of less government and more governance, was at pains to make it clear that he did not mean small government. Both have roughly the same approach to institutions: they are instruments to be used by those in power, not instruments to protect against them. Both have come around to the same model of affirmative action.
Neither has cared much about sanitation. Both think the environment is of secondary concern, both have equally confused and marginalising policies on tribals; in foreign policy there is also more continuity than discontinuity. These similarities actually extend to most political parties.
At the state level, even governing styles look similar: excessive reliance on strong chief ministers to deliver the goods.
There may be some genuine disagreement over federalism. But even here, it is probably less a clash of developmental models than a clash of interests that is producing a logjam.
There may be good reasons for this consensus. Contrary to what its critics suggest, the first-past-the-post system may not distort representation as much as we like to believe. By making every small group potentially relevant, it creates the conditions of a consensus-oriented politics. It may be that theoretical options actually narrow down in practice: power mitigates intellectual differences.
But the consensus paradox is this. There is actually more fierce contestation and blocking of decisions precisely because there is so much underlying agreement. When there is deep consensus, the ground of the conflict is no longer disagreement. It is harder to differentiate yourself on the basis of ideas. On most things, it is not open to the opposition to say that that the ideas and policies that underlie a government's stance are wrong. The grounds for criticism are usually different. The grounds for criticism are that the government has been a general failure, that there are implementation issues, that a government is being moved by ulterior motives, that the government is corrupt and so on. If Parliament actually functioned, most parties would find themselves in a great deal of agreement. So the only way in which you can create space for yourself, or measure your own success, is not by defeating someone else's idea; it is by blocking its implementation.
It is not an accident that in the coming election you will not see a huge contest of ideas. Even in the debate on Modi, there is a subtle shift. It is something of a tribute to Indian democracy that he has tried to shift the ground of his appeal away from Hindutva, though not surprisingly, the Congress wants to keep moving back to that ground. The debate has shifted to something else. There is contestation over his claims to being efficient. Again, efficiency is another one of those terms that signifies deep consensus: the ground is not what decisions someone takes, but whether they implement them. Or the debate is over his authoritarian personality. Most of those opposing him have few qualms about his ideas; they do worry about what his success might do to India's power structure.
But even within small group deliberations in government, this dynamic obtains. The most intractable conflicts are often not over what should be done, but who should do it. They often involve not disagreement over ideas, but judgements of trust. I may agree with you on what should be done, but don't trust a particular agency to do the thing in question well.
The other paradox of consensus is that consensus requires a negation of ego; if all agree, all should get credit. But the structure of competition in these settings is such that it requires you to differentiate yourself. But what will that ground be, if not ideas? And so the ground shifts to more inchoate fears.
It is precisely because we agree so deeply that we are less able to resolve small differences. For it is only in those small differences that we distinguish ourselves. Our besetting sin is not deep disagreement, but the narcissism of small differences. The solution to that may not be more consensus, but more contestation. Particularly when theres a lot of fake consensus,posturing with no relation to actual practice.
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The article says thatKakkaji wrote:Back in saddle with what -- 10 MPs in 2014?Sushupti wrote:I think they (soft top guns) are still undecided on Loh Purush. There still exist a faint hope, in their mind, that some how their beloved mentor will be back in saddle.
As for Sushma Swaraj -- 'Shadow PM' indeed![]()
These 'leaders' are not representing their voters, and should be sent to the 'back bench' immediately.
Yashwant Sinha
is taking on
Arun Jaitely
for RS being softer than LS which means
Sushma Swaraj is "hard" on Congress
All three are ostensibly part of Advani camp,


All this knee jerk "does he/she love NaMo, does he/she not love NaMo" type of "analysis" really blinds us from seeing the real political picture.
There, I said it. Please feel free to go another round of personal attacks.

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Excellent!
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1877316/r ... next-monthGujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi will address a "massive" youth conference in Tamil Nadu next month, the party said today.
"Modi will address a massive youth conference in Tamil Nadu on September 26. The place and other arrangements will be decided soon," party's National General Secretary P Muralidhar Rao told reporters here.
Modi, recently appointed BJP's Campaign Committee Chief for next year's Lok Sabha polls, had chosen to address youth since 60 per cent of the voters were from the age group of below 35 years and who were "idealistic, energetic and take a position" on issues, Rao said.
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great move by INC
great move by INC
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^^^ In last few years Asaram Bapu has had to face many odds. A smallest point against AB will run day in and day out on media. Even if he plays holi with his bhaktas, media will have problems and would show it as 'Breaking News'. Channels would selectively extract phrases from his pravachan and show as told to his female followers - sick indeed. Why all this? The popular theory is that AB denied to pay extortion money to some news channel. But i tend to think that there is another reason. LKA is a Asaram Bapu follower. One can bear jibes on himself but can't on his guru, I suppose. Bapu was not in news in recent times but is now back with even more wicked attack. Also AB's helicopter had to do a crash land recently due to a 'technical snag' in Ahmedabad.
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I'm just thinking aloud and claim no insider info.
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He is flexing his muscles in those states tomuraliravi wrote: Maybe i don't get it, why is he starting off in states where BJP is hardly a player. He went to AP, next TN and then Kerala. Is this a tested and tried campaign strategy to start in weak areas and then move to fence sitting/strongholds areas??
1. Win an alliance in that state
2. Get the maximum bargain in that state
3. Scare other states where BJP is present but needs an alliance i.e. MH, Hariyana, PU
I'm most interested in seeing his strategy in WB and Odissa.
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like it or not almost all (almost not all)ashram are money laundering enterprisekapilrdave wrote:^^^ In last few years Asaram Bapu do a crash land recently due to a 'technical snag' in Ahmedabad.
I'm just thinking aloud and claim no insider info.
bapu is on the other side so refused hafta to the who cannot be named
hence he faces moojik
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Plus record of Delhi Police is suddenly looking better, why sudden movement in Delhi?
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1,200 cusec surplus water from SSP and Kadana dams diverted to north Gujarat through Sujalam Sufalam Yojna