Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Nandu » 21 Aug 2013 22:41

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Link to first post of last thread - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6588#p1456200
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The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/publications/public ... 6-34.html#

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf


Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup
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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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A Venn diagram, by Shiv, to illustrate the commonality and difference between "bad Taliban" and Jinnah's Pakistan.


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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Quote:
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.


Quote:
Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.

Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 22 Aug 2013 00:23

Apologies if already posted :

India says no talks with Pakistan

NEW DELHI : Flagrantly blaming Pakistan for ceasefire violations, India’s Defence Minister AK Antony said, “Nothing happens without the facilitation of the Pakistan Army” and there is no difference in opinion over suspending talks with its neighbour.

The entire government was united in backing the Indian Army against aggression from across the border, he told lawmakers in Rajya Sabha, the upper house of the Indian Parliament, on Monday. The statement was a repeat of his earlier statements in the lower house.

A day after five Indian soldiers were killed in a cross-LoC ambush on August 6, Antony had controversially said that “men in Pakistan Army uniforms” killed the soldiers.

Antony explained that his first statement “was based on details available then”. He assured the upper house that the armed forces would do everything to maintain the sanctity of the Line of Control (LoC). “Our army is taking all possible steps to retaliate to every action.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Prem » 22 Aug 2013 00:51

Indian spy planes violate Pakistan "air"-space
Flying With One wing Onlee

KOT LEE: Indian spy planes allegedly violated Pakistani airspace in the Nakyal sector in Kotli, Azad Kashmir on Wednesday, Express News reported.The Indian planes continued to fly inside Pakistani air space for several minutes until planes from Pakistan took to the air, leading to a retreat of the Indian planes.The incident comes amidst a spate of recent cross-border skirmishes between the two nuclear-armed neighbours who have fought three wars since independence from the British rule in 1947, two over the Muslim-majority region of Kashmir.Previously, two Indian fighter planes had entered Pakistan’s airspace near Head Sulemanki border on June 11.The two sides agreed to a ceasefire along the LoC in November 2003, but skirmishes have flared across the heavily-militarised Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border in Kashmir, in recent weeks, with both sides blaming each other for having violated the agreement.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby member_22872 » 22 Aug 2013 01:12

air so virginity violated this time by brown banias. So white kafur virginity violations okay, but brown kafur virginity violations not okay? I protest. Throw some bones, the dog will stop barking.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Prem » 22 Aug 2013 01:35

venug wrote:air so virginity violated this time by brown banias. So white kafur virginity violations okay, but brown kafur virginity violations not okay? I protest. Throw some bones, the dog will stop barking.

Dont throw bone but as Desi saying go just Put Something in the Paki Mouth to Munch on.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 22 Aug 2013 07:54

From Nightwatch for the nigh of Aug. 20:
US-Pakistan: The US Treasury on Tuesday set economic sanctions on a Pakistan Islamic school it branded a 'terrorist training center' supporting al-Qaida and the Taliban. The Treasury said the Ganj madrassah in Peshawar was being used as a training and recruiting base by two militant groups, as well as the radical Lashkar-e-Taiba blamed for the November 2008 Mumbai attacks that killed 166 people.

Special comment: NightWatch has observed during the last 12 years that anti-terrorist initiatives have seldom targeted recruitment and indoctrination of youth in the processes of terrorism. The main thrust has been on decapitation, which is never a permanent solution to terrorism, and on total destruction of terrorist groups which is always impossible. Attacks on the reproductive systems of Islamic terrorism require pressure on madrassahs and specific rabble-rousing imams in order to dissuade Muslim kids from embracing violent jihad. The reproductive subsystems of a terrorist organization are always poorly protected and, thus, vulnerable to disruption at low cost. This self-evident truth seems to have been lost on Western counter-terror targeteers and analysts. Numerous attacks in Afghanistan, for example, have been executed with the assistance and resources of jihadis trained at madrassahs in Pakistan. A madrassah in Multan, Pakistan, for years has maintained connections with several madrassahs in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, for the purpose of supplying suicide bombers and violent jihadis, according to published Afghan police interrogation reports. Suicide bombings in Afghanistan tend to be an international enterprise, invariably rooted in Pakistan. Little attention has been paid to disrupting the reproductive/recruitment building blocks of violent jihadism in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Madrassahs in the heart of Pakistan are at least as anti-American as those in Peshawar, but receive little attention. Those in Peshawar always have links to the more prosperous mosque communities in eastern Pakistan. Sanctions on a madrassah in Peshawar are a good start , but only a start.Neutering a living system by disrupting its ability to regenerate and to reproduce is a permanent solution to an infection, such as terrorism. Bravo for the US Treasury Department; it needs to do more quickly.


Nightwatch commentator is not completely accurate. He/She has made a limited observation, limited to immediate American interests, as usual. It is not simply the 'madrasseh' curriculum that needs to be changed. It was ZAB who introduced changes in the curriculum so that Islamism and anti-Indianness got prominence in order to engineer the minds of the young. Pakistani textbooks then began to condense history omitting inconvenient periods, events and historical figures. Thus the ancient Indian history, a nation of which Pakistan was an inseparable part for millennia, is completely omitted. In fact, the introduction of nationalism through textbooks by depicting India as an enemy country and Hindus as enemies had begun as early as 1947. The over arching discourse in textbook writing and teaching has been to inculcate in young and impressionable Pakistani minds the idea of Pakistanis being pure and the Indian Hindus being impure and infidel. The State itself subverted the curricula of the schools “to present all materials from an Islamic point of view" and to glorify the wajibul qital (deserving of death under Islam) concept of the jihad.

I will just give two samples for the commentator of Nightwatch to understand what India is facing.

The textbooks and curricula had been so altered that on Oct. 19, 2004, the Pakistani National Assembly had to pass a resolution to include the Aug. 11, 1947 speech of Mr. Jinnah, wherein he seemed to desire a secular Pakistani state, in the school textbooks. The MMA, a collection of fundamentalist Islamic parties who helped Gen. Musharraf assume political power, was against this inclusion because in this famous speech on the eve of independence, Jinnah had rejected the role of religion in the state. There has been a concerted effort within Pakistan to keep this speech away from the public. In any case, right after Jinnah’s famous secular speech on Aug. 11, 1947, the newspaper DAWN was asked by Chaudhry Muhammad Ali who was Secretary General of Pakistan at that time and who later become its Finance Minister and eventually Prime Minister, not to publish those portions of the speech.

After she removed a Quranic verse on jihad from the Class X textbook on Biology, the Federal Education Minister Ms.Zobaida Jalal's house in Balochistan was attacked and she had to declare herself as a "fundamentalist" and she was forced to agree that school textbooks without references to jihad were incomplete. She had to be eventually removed from her Ministership and was replaced by Lt. Gen. Javed Ashraf Qazi, ex ISI Director General. The NGO National Commission for Justice and Peace in a report in September 2012 said that the school textbooks in c. 2012 contained more hate material than ever before. It further said, “Many textbooks that had no hate material in their earlier versions, now carry such material in Punjab and Sindh provinces. There were 45 lines containing hate material in books published in Punjab during 2009-11, and the figure increased to 122 lines in c. 2012.” Thus, the indoctrination of young minds even in mainstream non-madrassah schools is a state policy. It is as much a fallacy to claim that only madrasseh produce jihadists through indoctrination as it is to say that illiteracy and poverty are root causes of Islamist jihadism. In c. 2007, Dr. Sohai Abbas, a clinical psychologist from France and of Pakistani extraction, interviewed over 500 of the Pakistanis who had fought jihad in Afghanistan after c. 2002 and established the fact that over 40% of them were from mainstream schools.

So much for madrasseh and mainstream. It is the whole of Pakistan that is fu**ed up. It is no wonder therefore that from the top downwards, everybody in Pakistan supports jihadi terror.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby arun » 22 Aug 2013 07:56

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a Mohammadden Cleric chops up his wife into ten pieces for “rebelling against Allah’s orders”. The orders of Allah that were reportedly transgressed by the murdered wife was her act of wearing an abaya but not covering her face and sending the couple’s children to an English medium school rather than a Madrassah :roll: :


Cut into pieces: ‘She challenged God’s orders’

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby rajanb » 22 Aug 2013 08:10

Thanks SS. Always informative.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby RCase » 22 Aug 2013 12:45

SS - You are absolutely right on the money of the mainstreaming of indoctrination and jihad in Pak.

Here is an example of a Paki Army Brigadier showing his Pakiness and indoctrination in an interview with BBC.

[youtube]nda5zZUFNsI#t=462[/youtube]


Just watch for about a minute or so. 7:40 to 9:00! -
"We are Muslim. We believe in jihad. We believe in our cause. And our cause is a principled stand." :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Anindya » 22 Aug 2013 13:14

It is not simply the 'madrasseh' curriculum that needs to be changed. It was ZAB who introduced changes in the curriculum so that Islamism and anti-Indianness got prominence in order to engineer the minds of the young. Pakistani textbooks then began to condense history omitting inconvenient periods, events and historical figures.


will go one step further - and state that every form of mass communication in Pakistan is full of islamic bigotry and hate. Thus, neither young nor mature minds can distinguish between rational and irrational views of the other.

So, we see open bigotry of the Islamic kind in:
- academic curricula in all manners of schools (as SS pointed out)
- media such as TVs, newspapers
- government decisions, promulgations, army mottos and even legal operations

Except for a few NGOs and individuals here and there - we rarely find any institution free from Islamic bigotry in Pakistan.

No wonder, 80%+ of Pakistanis think adulterers should be stoned to death and 76% feel they should legalize the murder of apostates. And if you actually count the numbers of families that pay ushr or donate skins to openly terrorist organizations, I would be surprised, if this does not cover 25-35% of the families in Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby krishnan » 22 Aug 2013 13:28

Live! Manipulative LeT terrorist Tunda refuses to take lie detector test

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 22 Aug 2013 13:32

Anindya wrote:will go one step further - and state that every form of mass communication in Pakistan is full of islamic bigotry and hate.

Absolutely agreed. Well stated.

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Postby member_22872 » 22 Aug 2013 16:08

The above posted video is purely a propaganda video by BBC showing how restraint is ingrained in the veins of Pakis and how brutal and cold IA is. Towards the end, the "expert" female commentator mentions about Indian fighter zoomed past Islo skyline and how such incidents could trigger a nuke war. When she said nuke war, she meant nuke war initiated by TSP as Indian response is that of defense and is known. Talk about half truths, presenting one sided story full of Indian attrocities.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 22 Aug 2013 17:14

RCase wrote:Here is an example of a Paki Army Brigadier showing his Pakiness and indoctrination in an interview with BBC.
Just watch for about a minute or so. 7:40 to 9:00! -
"We are Muslim. We believe in jihad. We believe in our cause. And our cause is a principled stand."

This is 'before Kargil'. You can see Mushahid 'Mandela' Hussain talking about having known India for 50 years :rotfl: and this BBC anchor listening to him without bothering about the several millennia before that. When the BBC anchor talks about the British Raj being divided (not India) into Muslim Pakistan and Hindu-dominated India, one can see his knowledge in these matters.

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 22 Aug 2013 18:05

PSM may shut down if govt fails to release funds

KARACHI: The Ministry for Industries and Production on Thursday said that if the government failed to provide funds to the Pakistan Steel Mill (PSM) by September 30, the mill would shut down completely.

The Ministry for Industries and Production has moreover provided the Finance Ministry with three options regarding the future of PSM. The Economic Coordination Committee would analyse the three options today.

The first option in the summary provided by the industries ministry states that if the government wants the PSM to keep operating, it should immediately release Rs29 billion for the organisation.

The second option refers to a completely shutting down of the PSM, in which case all employees would have to be paid Rs56 billion in total.

The third option proposes that the PSM be handed over to the private sector.

The summary further states that at present, the Steel Mill is working at 15 per cent of its total capacity, adding that if the government fails to provide the required amount by September 30, the PSM may completely shut down.

Pakistan Steel Mills has had a rickety past few years, failing to come up with any positive results despite large grants given to it by the government.

In the last fiscal year, the company faced another loss of Rs23 billion as liabilities surged to Rs105 billion as of June 30, 2013.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby abhijitm » 22 Aug 2013 19:42

Now now, if nutty nation is begging for electricity from India then the situation in pakiland is really serious.

India won’t export 500MW electricity to Pakistan
What worst! the article is blaming the establishment!
Looks like some obvious hands in the security establishment have finally succeeded in sabotaging the cordially contemplated peace process between the two historical neighbours India and Pakistan with the former having been literally compelled to discard a remarkable energy project Pakistan was to benefit from.
Offering 500 megawatt of electricity to Pakistan was a huge confidence building measure (CBM) on part of India but it’s a pity that powerful establishment overshadowed the wishes of billions of peace lovers at both sides of the border to have this project shelved. A powerful energy mogul rightly puts it, “History will never forgive and spare those evil elements who have done such a huge disservice to the motherland by succeeding in having this project discarded. They’ll be exposed and become an example of horror for the entire mankind. You just wait here and see how the truth would take its course to expose the extremist mindset in our security ranks. This is an unpardonable crime that would never be forgiven,” he said.

BTW, this article has now been removed. :lol:

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I agree...some dumb shit wrote this article. Fake......Nation has become DAWN now? Sad

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Aug 2013 20:41

At a time when this country is woefully short of power for industries and our economy tanking, how could we event hink of exporting power to a hostile nation

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby vivek_ahuja » 22 Aug 2013 22:45

Taliban would love to listen to what Pakis have to say while they slit their national throats

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) — A senior Pakistani Taliban commander welcomed the government's recent offer to hold peace talks Thursday, raising the possibility the militant group has changed its stance after shunning negotiations earlier this year.

Asmatullah Muawiya, head of the Taliban's faction of fighters from central Punjab province, said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif "demonstrated political maturity" :wink: 8) by reiterating his offer to hold peace talks in a speech on Monday.

"If the present government takes an interest in solving matters seriously and with prudence, then there is no reason why jihadi forces active in Pakistan shouldn't respond to it positively," Muawiya said in a statement sent to reporters.

It's not entirely certain whether the Pakistani Taliban's top leadership shares his sentiments. But they have backed previous statements made by Muawiya, saying he should be seen as having their support.

The commander was the first person to indicate at the end of last year that the Pakistani Taliban were open to holding peace talks. He sent a letter to a local newspaper outlining conditions for a cease-fire, including the imposition of Islamic law and an end to the government's unpopular alliance with the U.S. :mrgreen:

Pakistani Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud then released a video in which he said the group would consider a serious offer to talk but would not lay down their weapons as a precondition.

Prime Minister Sharif, who took office in June, campaigned on a platform that indicated peace talks with the Taliban were the best way to end the group's bloody insurgency, which has killed thousands of people in recent years.

But the Taliban withdrew their offer to negotiate at the end of May after the group's deputy commander was killed in a U.S. drone strike.

Muawiya praised the government's decision Sunday to halt all state executions temporarily, just days ahead of the planned hangings of several al-Qaida-linked militants. He threatened in an interview with The Associated Press last week that the Taliban would target the leaders of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-N if the militants were hanged. :wink:

The prime minister "strengthened the wish of peace by suspending punishment for prisoners," said Muawiya. :rotfl:

The previous government had put in place a moratorium on executions. The current government initially indicated it would end that moratorium, but said Sunday that executions were halted until Sharif held talks with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari.

The idea of peace talks with the Taliban is controversial in Pakistan because past deals have largely fallen apart. The agreements have been criticized for allowing the militants to regroup and rebuild their strength to resume fighting the government and U.S.-led troops in neighboring Afghanistan. Activists have also raised concerns that future peace deals could threaten human rights in the country, especially for women.

The Pakistani military has waged an aggressive campaign :roll: against the Taliban in their northwest sanctuaries along the Afghan border since 2009, but the militants have proved resilient. They have carried out a series of high-profile attacks since Sharif took office, including a prison break at the end of July in which they freed over three dozen suspected militants.

Even if the two sides sit down to talk, it's unclear whether they will be able to find common ground given the Taliban's demands that Islamic law be implemented and Islamabad break its alliance with Washington.

Muawiya said Pakistan's foreign policy should be based on the principles of Islam, not "American slavery." He also demanded that U.S. drone strikes targeting militants in the country come to an end.

Pakistani officials regularly denounce the attacks as a violation of the country's sovereignty, but are known to have supported them secretly in the past.

It's also unclear how Sharif's concept of peace fits within the framework laid out by the Pakistani army, considered the most powerful institution in the country. Army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani outlined strict conditions for any peace deal with the Taliban in April, saying they must "unconditionally submit to the state, its constitution and the rule of law."

Talk of a peace deal could be troubling to the U.S. if it is seen as providing militants with greater space to carry out operations in Afghanistan. However, Washington's push for a peace deal with the Afghan Taliban could also make it difficult to oppose an agreement in Pakistan.

The Afghan and Pakistani Taliban are allies but have primarily focused their attacks on opposite sides of the border. The Pakistani Taliban also trained the Pakistani-American who carried out a failed car bombing in New York's Times Square in 2010.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby member_22872 » 23 Aug 2013 00:56

Pakistan ready to send 26/11 judicial panel to India next month
The findings of the first Pakistani judicial commission that visited India in March 2012 were rejected by an anti-terrorism court in Pakistan as the panel's members were not allowed to cross-examine the Indian witnesses.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Vikas » 23 Aug 2013 01:15

Why would the court accept findings of second commission now. When are we going to end this farce of 26/11 with TSP ?
Let us accept that our Govt is weakneed and spineless and all those who died during 26/11 died in vain.
Why dance around the issue and keep the wound festering when GoI is ready to move on and offer Jaziya to TSP.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby member_22872 » 23 Aug 2013 01:21

It festered, waned and disappeared, few moans and ahs and ohs, 26/11 got erased from Indian psyche. Want proof? the recent love fest. All these crocodile tears are for mass consumption, after all TSP is like sasural for the likes of MA, MMS and his courtiers. Lot of water has flowed down the river, GOI, enough is enough give it a rest. Well played.

Those you toiled for justice were labeled as home grown Hindu terrorists. Wah! a mastered stroke, nobel prize for treachery.

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 23 Aug 2013 01:30

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Tension with New Delhi : Pakistan refuses to take part in talks on TAPI pipeline

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

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Explosion near Rangers headquarters in Karachi kills two

KARACHI: An explosion outside the Rangers Headquarters in Korangi number 5 on Thursday evening killed two people and injured at least nine others including army officials, Express News reported.
Army and Rangers officials were returning to the area after by-elections in the NA-254 constituency had ended when a planted explosive device went off. Army and Rangers personnel were among those injured....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Raja Bose » 23 Aug 2013 02:04

RCase wrote:SS - You are absolutely right on the money of the mainstreaming of indoctrination and jihad in Pak.

Here is an example of a Paki Army Brigadier showing his Pakiness and indoctrination in an interview with BBC.

[youtube]nda5zZUFNsI#t=462[youtube]


Just watch for about a minute or so. 7:40 to 9:00! -
"We are Muslim. We believe in jihad. We believe in our cause. And our cause is a principled stand." :rotfl:


The classic dialogue was "If India unleashes nuclear war, we also have equipments to counter that. We have mosques, we have bunkers... :rotfl: "

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 23 Aug 2013 05:35

Raja Bose wrote:The classic dialogue was "If India unleashes nuclear war, we also have equipments to counter that. We have mosques, we have bunkers... :rotfl: "


And, now we also have sewer pipes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 23 Aug 2013 05:41

Two more halaled by IA? Is the total 4?

Pakistoney Army says two soldiers killed by Indian fire along LoC


...two of its soldiers were killed on Thursday

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Gagan » 23 Aug 2013 07:58

And they have plenty of Graveyards...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 23 Aug 2013 08:49

anupmisra wrote:Two more halaled by IA? Is the total 4?

Counting in ones and twos is not good enough . As they are 10 times superior to us, we need to wipe out one or two platoons.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby wig » 23 Aug 2013 09:05

interesting tid bit
Our mole reports that last week two terrorists managed to get very close to the sanctum sanctorum of the highest khakis and were stopped in their tracks. The khakis' public relations outfit claimed that the terrorists had got close to their directorate but that was whitewash we hear. They had managed to breach security and got into the place that was attacked once before with vicious effect.


http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 23&page=32

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby rajanb » 23 Aug 2013 09:21

^^^

Looks like they have camel toes for hands and feet. Can count only two at a time! :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby kidoman » 23 Aug 2013 10:09

4 Pukees down. 2 more to go before the scores are equal (Inc. Ram niwas Meena who was sniped). Then we need to extend the lead.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 23 Aug 2013 10:20

From Nightwatch for the night of August 22
India-Pakistan: Update. The Pakistan Army said unprovoked Indian fire from across the Line of Control killed two of Pakistani soldiers on 22 August.A Pakistani security official said one soldier was killed in the Poonch District, which is about 80 miles east of Islamabad. The second death occurred south of Poonch. Two Pakistani soldiers also were wounded.India said its forces came under automatic weapons fire in roughly the same area in the evening and reported "effective retaliation" by its own soldiers, but made no mention of casualties.

Comment: Pakistan denies that it is provoking India, but its soldiers are getting killed and Pakistan Army units are not retaliating against India, which would be the normal counter-reaction. Pakistan claims it is exercising maximum restraint.Both sides have based major conventional forces along the Line of Control for so long that almost every potential target has been registered for artillery fire for years. Both sides maintain careful watch of unusual activity and movements and know the range of each other's guns. Commanders understand the risks of movements and fire exchanges, which appear to be fairly commonplace and harmless. That has changed for now.The ambush and killing of five Indian Army soldiers in Indian Kashmir on 6 August are driving India's hard-line response to firing incidents from the Pakistani side of the Line. India blames the deaths on Pakistan Army soldiers as well as Pakistan-backed militants. Since the 6th India has engaged in asymmetrical retaliation for any incidents, using artillery to respond to machinegun fire, for example.If these incidents continue, India will authorize more aggressive and prolonged attacks, not as retaliation but as deterrence. Escalation to a significant sectoral firefight will remain a threat Pakistan provides India a satisfactory report about the deaths on the 6th. In such firefights in the past, India has on occasion used attack helicopters to reinforce artillery to destroy bunkers and other targets on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control. This situation shows signs of moving towards such a firefight.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby svinayak » 23 Aug 2013 10:24

Why are foriegn govt interested in this border.

Why are they interested in details of the firing

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby CRamS » 23 Aug 2013 17:54

VikasRainaJi

As SSJi eloquently pointed out, the anti-India Jihad culture in TSP is so pervasive that what we are seeing with all these bogus TSP 26/11 commissions is to somehow offer some 26/11 dog bone to MMS, Sonia, and Kurshit et. al, and yet not face any domestic flak in TSP. Remember, an honest interrogation of 26/11 mean an honest interrogation of TSP itself. Neither will TSP do that, nor does India has will and wherewithal, and nor does US that has the wherewithal but won't use it against TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Philip » 23 Aug 2013 19:19

Classic double-speak in this interview,before the two PMs attend the UN gen, assembly session.he Sherrif wants a good photo session with MMS so that he looks good in the eyes of his western benefactors.After all,Pak is bankrolled by both the west and the Chinese and need funding from both entities,with "pocket money" from the Saudis and its "Muslim brotherhood" to wage its proxy war against India.The moment the Sherrif leaves the studio ,he will resort to his anti-Indian rhetoric that we've just witnessed with the Paki parliament condemning India,blah,blah.This is all a stage-managed campaign so that the secret conspiracy between Singh and the Sherrif can go ahead so that the window of opportunity for an ignoble prize remains open.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... India.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Dipanker » 23 Aug 2013 19:58

kidoman wrote:4 Pukees down. 2 more to go before the scores are equal (Inc. Ram niwas Meena who was sniped). Then we need to extend the lead.

If you count the 18 or so PigLeTs who were killed (12 in one instance) while trying to infiltrate within a space of couple of weeks in run up to the latest round of escalation, number wise we end up killing way more Pakis.

Remember the the PigLeTs are Pakis too.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby rajanb » 23 Aug 2013 21:21

Dipanker wrote:
kidoman wrote:4 Pukees down. 2 more to go before the scores are equal (Inc. Ram niwas Meena who was sniped). Then we need to extend the lead.


If you count the 18 or so PigLeTs who were killed (12 in one instance) while trying to infiltrate within a space of couple of weeks in run up to the latest round of escalation, number wise we end up killing way more Pakis.

Remember the the PigLeTs are Pakis too.


Why are we so naïve to believe that some of the infiltrating piglets aren't the PA in browning shalwars?

Its Friddin and what, no ak shun? :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Vayutuvan » 23 Aug 2013 22:58

CRamS wrote:... and nor does US that has the wherewithal but won't use it against TSP.

Questionable sir - questionable.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby pankajs » 23 Aug 2013 22:59

Sectarian Clashes in Pakistan Kill 5 People
Members of a radical Sunni Muslim group clashed Friday with minority Shiites in central Pakistan, fighting that killed five, police said.

The clashes between the Ahle Sunnat Waljamaat members and the Shiites happened in the town of Bhakkar in Punjab province, police official Abdullah Khan said. The conflict followed a protest rally held by the Sunnis after one of their members was gunned down while closing his shop. People were killed on both sides, Khan said.

Pakistan has experienced worsening sectarian violence in recent years, especially attacks by radical Sunnis targeting Shiites.

Also Friday, gunmen on a motorcycle opened fire outside a Sunni seminary on the outskirts of the capital, Islamabad, killing two people and wounding a third, police official Mohammad Bashir said.


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