Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Aug 2013 07:01

^^ u are right, but for 2014 I'll throw in the towel.

J&K - 0, HP - 2, UTT -4, Delhi (3, thanks to AAP and zero leadership delhi bjp), Punjab - 2, Haryana - 0 (unless they strike deal with inld), UP - 10, Bihar - 10, Jharkhand - 4, Assam - 2, NE, Bengal, Orissa, Telangana, AP, TN, Kerala - 0. Union Territories - 4, Goa -2, Karnataka - 7 (unles yeddy gets back), Maha - 15 (unless the warring bros patch up), Rajasthan - 16, Guj - 21, MP - 23, Chattisgarh - 7.

So thats 132 right about what devesh is predicting. Now if we see signs that Yeddy is really coming back, that can move their tally upward by 5 seats (becos he will also ask for seats for kjp, i dont think he will come into bjp), alliance with inld may give bjp about 2 seats, alliance with MNS may improve BJP by about 3 seats, Alliance with AGP may yield one seat. Alliance with TRS/TDP in telangana may yield about 2 seats. Alliance with Marandi will yield about 3 seats more. So all this can take BJP close to 148 seats.

Thats the best i expect, unless they perform well in UP. We are seeing some surveys giving them about 30 to 35 seats. But we need to see more of that on a consistent basis and i would really like to see which specific seats in UP they may get before believing those surveys. The same surveys also give BJP about 15 seats in Bihar even if cong goes with Lalu.

So if they get 35 in UP and 15 in Bihar, then they get 30 more than my summary above and will take them to the 180 range.

And in reality, we cant blame anyone, whenever BJP got close to that 180 figure, they did well in UP and Bihar. Even in 1999 when they flopped in UP they got 29 seats.

So overall it boils down to these 2 states

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Aug 2013 07:29

Early declaration of PM candidate to help BJP: Jaitley

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 037000.cms

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 25 Aug 2013 07:40

He was always garam hava and corrupt to the core as well read Varsha articles
Plus our own BRF veteran who coined NBPJ neat Babu Pandu Judge combo
He let Mr. q Scott free he let the fake Stamp paper legalized .....

He still lusts for PM ship remember his natak when ABV was made PM he was he'll bent to be Deputy and HM

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 25 Aug 2013 07:42

Raleigh Durham

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 25 Aug 2013 08:12

Jee nahi !
Shri Advani had brought POTA, he had even proposed to make a law that anyone even caught with RDX will be punished by death sentence.

I remember when he proposed this RDX law, lalu-mulayam-harkishen surjit -sonia all had opposed vehemently. Even calling it nazi/fascist idea.

Whatever their shortcomings ABV-LKA combo for the first time broke this superstition that Kesariya group can never hold chair of PM. They did some great things like National Highways-Pokharan-cold start-POTA etc.

And failed on some mainly letting rahul go scotfree from 133 years of prison in US, not using CBI to tie up sonia-quatrochhi more.

But no need to keep abusing them.

Congress is the enemy, let's strategize against them.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 08:18

ic.. nice place.. tall trees, easy access to smokey mountains, and lots of gujjus owning motels.

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the only strategy can work against kangrez is a counter national party that has at least 5-10 strong players from each state. there is no other way out. a wave is needed, where a person like modi should be seen as the light... and the more the young minds are engaged, promises are fulfilled, then there is nothing stopping it.

even if we all agree 30% of people are corrupt and illogical, uneducated and have no sense of democracy and nationhood, we still have the 70% market to think about. focus on the plans.. promise on the election planks, and deliver them immediately once power is given.. don't wait. dont scam and do whatever to put corruption behind jail.

it is a big task.. needs holistic planning. engagement means, master plan is there.. i don't see the energy after modi's hyderabad visit. it is time he gets to state by state, herculean tours. if stays in gj, then he remains there. he is wasting too much time in between, and letting the parasites get on him quick.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Aug 2013 09:11

Amyrao wrote:

The expat is all for change for sure

Do they matter in Elections in India? If NRIs friends think their view point counts for electoral success they may be in for a rude shock. It counts Zilch, howsoever rational and logical that may be.

Change will happen if voting population votes for NaMo and his candidates. BJP as such does not inspire confidence in public. NaMo does. But he has no Pan India electoral appeal which is constrained by various factors, such as caste allegiance, economic, traditional voting groups, religious and ethnic politics, Money and availability of grass-root organisation, strongmen etc. BJP presence is limited to few, yet significant states, but not sufficient to have impact on elections to win majority on its own. That is ,unless there is a strong undercurrent of support from nonaligned voters and young educated voters, who may be least influenced by old equations. But still voting patterns indicate that poor and rural vote in large numbers then Urban, middle class or rich or educated voters. Task is to pull non voting sections of voter populace into electoral system. that is what NaMo has to do to get to Mission 272.

One more factor is in his favour. Generally,after 1977 election, Public has not voted same Govt thrice into power at the centre.

niran · Post by **niran** » 25 Aug 2013 09:27

Kakkaji wrote:I think LKA and coterie have checkmated NaMo. I don't think BJP/NDA can win now in 2014. Too much time has been lost due to shenanigans of LKA & Co.

I think NaMo for now should stick to Gujarat and continue to develop it. Let at least one state in India develop to developed world standards. No point in him moving to Delhi or getting involved in central politics until LKA either goes for 'vanavaas' or goes to meet his maker.

just a week goes by where NaMo kept quiet and people here have their mundu tied in a knot, saar, the election is not next week
it is 9 months away, NaMo is building ground work he will be PM onree when he has proper number of Lok Sabha seats, NaMo has the power to distribute party tikits to whoever he finds proper winning candidate(the word is winning candidate) there already is a huge file weighing around 73 kgs(ain't a typo) with details about each and every Lok Sabha seats, another file which reportedly needs a pickup truck to move around about candidates, word is NaMo has a team of chosen men to maintain them and he himself sits with the team
on average 2-3 nights a week. "Logistics wins a war" always remember it, e.g. the greatest warrior Karan of his time got killed when his rath got stuck or broke down, a proper logistics general would have made available another rath in a jiffy, that too for the CIC of the army there was no substitute rath speaks volumes about logistics, no? NaMo is a micromanagement man very astute logistics wise the results proves it, and all great folks have one thing in common, they do not worry about "loge kya kahe gain" they worry about what is right and once right is identified then it shall be achieved and loge can suck their thumbs in some corner.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2013 09:30

One thing for sure the dhamki of early elections given out regularly bu INC is now vaporware.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Aug 2013 11:12

Latest Interview of Modi after joining BJP.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Aug 2013 11:21

IE on the buildup of shivraj singh chauhan as a possible dark horse in the PM races after 2014.

The slow march of Shivraj Singh Chouhan

Stirs the theory of all not well between NM and SSC as well...

Asked about Modi, Chouhan always calls the Gujarat CM his "elder brother" and Advani the "tallest leader", without ever acknowledging Modi as his leader. [...]

Another senior leader however saw some truth in this perceived rivalry. "If there is pressure being built from the Modi camp to get him declared the party's PM candidate ahead of the Assembly elections in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, the reason is that victories of Chouhan and Singh will get them enhanced bargaining power in that decision-making."

To other BJP leaders though, the debate is settled: "Chouhan is no match for Modi outside Madhya Pradesh."

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 25 Aug 2013 11:23

Why isnt any one in opposition pressing for release of full census data ??

Isn't it to the unfair advantage of incumbent govt if it can strategize based on the public data collected using public money while denying access to the same to the rest of the parties in opposition..

What is the Election commission's role in this lapse ?

There is a resounding silence on this issue.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 25 Aug 2013 11:58

Some of the posts on page#327 are hilarious. I promise it would make a good laugh for NM if he reads that page. Two relatively insignificant events and mighty Internet Hinus lose their heart and spreading the hysteria of defeat on the forum which was talking about 200+ till yesterday! Comeon guys, the game has not even started yet. If NM was so weak he would have never become THE NM.

In GJ assembly election in 2012 congi scums knew that that was their last chance to avoid NM vs. Con match in 2014. They left absolutely no stone unturned to hand him the defeat. At least from 2 years prior to the election there was not a single, not a bloody single positive news about NM or govt or even GJ in any of the local or national news papers and channels. In contrast even nobodies from cong were given huge air time. Outright idiots from cong would be presented as some Yugpurush. Add to that daily dose of multiple venom against NM. This continued for 2 years non stop and is still on. There was no source for common people to see the statistics of good work if he wished. However they could see the development on ground. As the election came near they started promising insane freebies like free house, free plots and what not. Interestingly NM started charging for electricity more to farmers whereas congis promised free electricity to them. And no, they haven't utter a single word about Saffron in about last 7-8 years. In fact, at times GJ congis act more 'Hindu Fundamentalist' than BJP in GJ

. This much they learnt after 2002. NM acknowledged all these in his victory speech and thanked people.

Everyone knows that there is a huge and powerful community of Patels in GJ. But how many know that Patels were considered to be anti NM in last two elections? In fact powerful patel community leaders (not political leaders) had publically urged the community to vote NM out in both last two elections.

The all aspect situation looked so dipressing that strongest of NM supporter would lose heart. But not NM. Against all odds he won the elections hands down because of very precise strategy for every single constituency on ground level (Amit Shah was also instrumental in this). Despite 10 years of non stop venomous attacks from national and international media and their handlers he has managed to rise up to the top in the popularity list across India. How? He planned for this at least 6-7 years ago and started executing it 5 years ago. He knew he will be in today's position at least 3-4 years ago and has plans for at least next 5 years. He has started publicising himself at international arena too. All these require a will power and resolve of Rishi Vishvamitra who almost created his own Swarg upon being denied to the Indra Pad to the real Swarg. So guys, cheer up. Have faith in NM because he is the best bet we have got. He is the Dhoni on strike in the last over of the game requiring 24 runs. If he can't do it, no one else can. But he has got the ability to assure us to not to lose heart till the last ball is bowled.

Okay, so what are the two events that caused hysteria on previous page?

1. Not enough people gathering in BJP state office for NM support campaign.
My speculation: Not much in rest of India but in Delhi BJP the so called D4 do have hold. Most likely the party workers didn't want to step into muddy waters so remained detached.

2. Con won 2 seats from JDS in KA.
My speculation: NM/Yeddy supporters deliberately made this happen to ease Yeddy into the BJP. NM is the most crafty politician of present time. Some observers in GJ say that NM purposefully made some BJP candidates of Saurashtra lose because he thought they could create problems when he leaves GJ for Dilli. He removed every leader one by one from his rival camp within state BJP. And all these in a do-or-die election of 2012, shows the confidence of the man.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 25 Aug 2013 12:26

-X-posted from Media watch thread-

I urge all BRFites to watch A2Z News and Sudarhan News also. They are channels from Dharmik forces.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Aug 2013 12:30

kapilrdave wrote: 2. Con won 2 seats from JDS in KA.
My speculation: NM/Yeddy supporters deliberately made this happen to ease Yeddy into the BJP. NM is the most crafty politician of present time. Some observers in GJ say that NM purposefully made some BJP candidates of Saurashtra lose because he thought they could create problems when he leaves GJ for Dilli. He removed every leader one by one from his rival camp within state BJP. And all these in a do-or-die election of 2012, shows the confidence of the man.

Precisely my thoughts - Ananth Kumar was given a rope to prove himself and he came up short. At this stage even JD(U) coming up short with egg on their faces reduces their bargaining power. So with this two bye-elections - bargaining power of Ananth Kumar and JD(U) reduces. This might increase bargaining power of Yeddi, but that is something I do not know.

This does put JD(U) in a spot of bother., will it align itself surreptitiously against CONG(I)s to keep themselves relevant? Only time will tell.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 25 Aug 2013 12:34

As somebody said on Twitter, this is like watching cricket on TV and seeing asking rate creeping up. Though you see seasoned guy in the crease you can't stop worrying!
Today I have been listening to AIR since morning. I have lost count of the number of gobermint ads especially Delhi ones. Non stop propaganda for one scheme after another interspersed with very little programming.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Aug 2013 12:43

Hari Seldon wrote:IE on the buildup of shivraj singh chauhan as a possible dark horse in the PM races after 2014.

The slow march of Shivraj Singh Chouhan

Stirs the theory of all not well between NM and SSC as well...
Asked about Modi, Chouhan always calls the Gujarat CM his "elder brother" and Advani the "tallest leader", without ever acknowledging Modi as his leader. [...]

Another senior leader however saw some truth in this perceived rivalry. "If there is pressure being built from the Modi camp to get him declared the party's PM candidate ahead of the Assembly elections in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, the reason is that victories of Chouhan and Singh will get them enhanced bargaining power in that decision-making."

To other BJP leaders though, the debate is settled: "Chouhan is no match for Modi outside Madhya Pradesh."

Real democracy - competition in performing politicians without discounting performance of any instead of power brokers, termite queen and no-goody puppet show.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Aug 2013 13:20

A true-blue NM well-wisher offers sagely advice...

Pawar cautions Modi: You'll invite trouble if you project yourself too early

NCP chief and Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar has said that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi was projecting himself "too early" for the prime minister's post and it could lead to "trouble".
"My observation in Indian politics is that if anyone tries to project himself too early, he invites trouble and I think BJP and Narendra Modi have started their projection too early and with a definite position. I don't know what will happen. My experience, my previous observation, is not very good," Pawar said in a report in The Indian Express on Sunday.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 25 Aug 2013 14:05

hahaha.. the heartburn given to him by PVNR still fresh n his memory it seems

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Aug 2013 15:08

More classy f@rts from TOI... who comes up with stuff like this, eh?

Narendra Modi ‘virtually speechless’ in US?

GANDHINAGAR: Already popular among expats, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi is working harder to wow the powerful non-resident Indians, who have significant influence back home. He is planning to reach out to Indians — especially Gujaratis in the US, Canada, UK, Australia, Africa, and the Middle East — ahead of the 2014 elections.

Modi's office is lobbying hard to get the CM to address three big NRI gatherings scheduled in the US in September via video-conferencing - something he has been doing ever since the US decided not to give him a diplomatic visa after the 2002 riots.

There seem to be no hurdles in organizing most of his virtual appearances, except for the one he is most keen on: Modi wants to address a special function in Chicago on September 11 to mark the 120th anniversary of Swami Vivekananda's famous speech to the World Parliament of Religions. The event is supported by the Indian Council of Cultural Relations (ICCR).

The list of invitees includes US President Barack Obama, former president of India Dr A P J Abdul Kalam and top religious leaders from across the world. A senior official in Modi's office said getting a slot is a struggle because of the Union government's control over the ICCR. Modi idolizes the swami, whose real name was Narendra, and believes that only he can deliver a soul-stirring speech like the one in 1893.

"The CM is keen to speak at the event given its symbolic significance - 9/11 marks the terrorist strike on New York's World Trade Centre as well as Vivekananda's famous speech on universal brotherhood, tolerance and religious harmony. Speaking at the Chicago meet would reaffirm both his association with Vivekanada as well as reinforce his image of an anti-terror campaigner," he said.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Aug 2013 18:39

if anyone think NM will be given an opportunity they are seriously mistaken. Obama is a big leftist fellow and pro Islamic leader and INC will do anything to stop it from happening.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Aug 2013 18:51

INC stalwarts busy with Modi-japam... as usual.

Modi too self-obsessed, intoxicated with PM dream: Pilot

NEW DELHI: Slamming Narendra Modi for making rhetorical speeches on every given occasion, Union minister Sachin Pilot says that the Gujarat chief minister is intoxicated with prime ministerial ambitions and is too self-obsessed to see "right from wrong".

The corporate affairs minister also accused the BJP leader of creating a facade of development and governance, while his core objective remained a Hindutva agenda "to inflame passions and create divisions".

"However, people of India have moved beyond these issues and they have become much smarter today. India is a new country with a much more robust youth population and, middle class who want more colleges than some mandir or masjid," the young Congress leader said.

"I think Modi is self obsessed to such a point where he is not been able to see right from wrong and that often happens when a person is intoxicated with the obsession of becoming a potential prime ministerial candidate," Pilot told PTI in an interview.

Must be true. A 'sell(f)-made man' is saying so after all...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Aug 2013 19:05

This is shocking. Has anybody heard this.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 991966.cms

If India is computer, Cong is its default program: Rahul Gandhi
PTI | Aug 23, 2013, 05.39 AM IST
If India is computer, Cong is its default program: Rahul Gandhi
Addressing 300-odd participants from various states, NSUI and Youth Congress members, the Congress vice-president said the party captures the essence of the nation
NEW DELHI: "If India is computer , Congress is its default program," Rahul Gandhi on Thursday told a Congress workshop on social media.

Addressing 300-odd participants from various states, NSUI and Youth Congress members, the Congress vice-president said the party captures the essence of the nation . At a time when BJP's key face Narendra Modi is aggressively attacking the Congress and the UPA, Rahul advised partymen for restraint.

He asked the party's media managers to stick to facts and decency of language . "If India is computer, its default program is Congress . Congress comes naturally to India's ethos. Here anger and aggression are not appreciated," a party source quoted Rahul as saying.

During his 20-minute interaction with media chiefs of states, he asked them "not to remain silent" and counter the opposition propaganda "with content" .

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 19:39

If India is computer, Kangrez is its default virus program. his state of mind is also a virus program. kangrez is an illegal operating system that is for divide and rule.

we need a ubuntu to a clean re-hashed-start here.. focused on equal sharing.. if bjp can come up with a OS, with not just round robin but a prioritized, least starving algorithm, with asynch messaging for real-time ops for earliest deadline first technique, then they can take a big leg to becoming the default os.

who should talk this?.. they should rather deploy and talk rather say anything out.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Aug 2013 20:08

Narayana Rao wrote:if anyone think NM will be given an opportunity they are seriously mistaken. Obama is a big leftist fellow and pro Islamic leader and INC will do anything to stop it from happening.

He is not as big a leftist as people believe or made to believe. If he was a real leftist, he would not be so in hand with Corporations and Banks.

BTW, the Left in India were the last to stand against America & Corporations (though for wrong reasons). The desi English media firmly in the hands of Corporations have never strongly questioned the actions of any Government. Obama, a pro-Islamic leader

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Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Aug 2013 20:17

It is jarring and completely anachronistic to hear "oh he wants to be PM" as though that's a bad thing by itself. This whole "I did not want it but alas I have to shoulder the burden for the people" is nonsense that young Indians no longer agree with, atleast IMO. INC sycophancy is nauseating.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 20:25

see..there is a difference between people take thappad (pranthan types) and who gives thappad (bhaji types).

imho, sharad pawar is a thappad taker and not a giver.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Aug 2013 20:36

Congress vs BJP? No, it's the establishment vs the outsider
By Swapan Dasgupta

Yet, there is a significant difference between the fear that is taking shape today and the concerns that greeted the emergence of Atal Behari Vajpayee as the PM-inwaiting in 1997-98 . For one, Vajpayee was a Delhi insider. He may not have been in government (except for the two years of Janata Party rule) but he was a known commodity with strong cross-party connections. Secondly, Vajpayee was a Brahmin and was linked to India's most significant network of influence. Finally, in appointing Brajesh Mishra, a former diplomat with an impeccable Congress pedigree, as his principal secretary, Vajpayee sent out the clear message that he wasn't interested in unsettling the Establishment. Unlike President Ronald Reagan in the US, Vajpayee had no interest in nurturing a 'counter-Establishment'.
Modi is a different kettle of fish altogether. For a start, he is an outsider in the cosy political world of the Capital. He is not linked by the elaborate networks and cross connections that make Lutyens' Delhi an incestuous arrangement. He hasn't been sullied by the compromises and adjustments that are a feature of governance through entitlements. Modi neither possesses nor yearns for the old school tie; he is content being what he is. Despite long years as CM of Gujarat, he has not been co-opted by the Establishment. In fact, being a loner he doesn't really care whether or not the beautiful people find him acceptable or repugnant. After all, for the past 12 years they rarely if ever deemed it appropriate to woo him with awards for being the most reformist state or something similar.
The outcry over Modi's 'polarizing' agenda isn't really centred on a defence of the much-acclaimed 'idea of India' . It is essentially an expression of fear and apprehension over the rise of a leader who owes little or nothing to the Establishment. When the pundits decry him for being 'tasteless' in contesting the Prime Minister's monopoly over Independence Day and 'ruthless' in bulldozing the opposition to him inside the BJP, they are not necessarily passing aesthetic judgments. Modi's class and caste have become objects of derision for the entitled precisely because the old Establishment fears for its relevance. What we are witnessing is more than a Congress-BJP battle: a beleaguered Establishment is trying to ward off a social upheaval and the rise of an impatient, new class.

http://www.swapan55.com/2013/08/congres ... nt-vs.html

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 20:43

exactly.. this is where modi should focus.. throw away the old budda market, and focus on young and emergent india. that is where the vote is.. and get them to vote. there is no region where he can't find voters in desh. he has to travel.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Aug 2013 20:48

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 21:04

Swapan is over doing it.

have we considered that perhaps a majority of Indians do actually like the "establishment" simply because it allows them to negotiate as part of their beloved caste/clan/grouping than as an individual demanding his or her rights.

those groupings have played an important role in protecting individuals over the past 1000 years. one Namo is not enough to break it if society hasn't evolved to the point where it is ready for him.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 21:12

in an article posted by Sushupti ji few days ago, one Yadav from UP said it best: "I will vote for SP, but my heart is with Modi."

that is the state of our people. we are not ready for Modi yet. Modi doesn't need to be PM. Bharat doesn't need Modi to become the PM. Bharat needs Modi to begin the process of weaning away the people from the "establishment". he needs to start channeling the changing spirit towards the higher purpose of national consolidation. PM gaddi in 2014 is overrated for the future.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 21:31

it goes to prove that it is not about leadership, but it is all about the people of the state that matters. if people at large are corrupt, and backward, then so is their leader, and it is not the other way around. enough QED here.

India is not ready for Modi means, Indians (generic) are backward and corrupt.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 21:41

-self delete. pointless-

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 21:45

yeah.. what is in label anyway right... backward not by caste or religion you should think.. backward by ways of advancing the society to lesser corruption model. now, i know what you are taking the word to be. i do understand it is a big pain point in the correction process. it is not going to be easy to consume these issues as truth.

devesh, 'm happy to shut up... when people at large don't realize, what i am to talk.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 21:47

"lesser corruption" is relative. perhaps survival is more important than corruption. and if a certain mode of negotiation has maximized survival, it is hard to ask people to leave it by.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 21:49

so for survival, people can do corruption. okay, got it.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 22:05

SaiK wrote:so for survival, people can do corruption. okay, got it.

good. now we are on the same page. and we can all stop going on polemics about "corruption". it's a phenomenon imposed by the system. I don't blame the people for it.

manju · Post by **manju** » 25 Aug 2013 22:34

I registred at the www.namobrigade...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Aug 2013 22:46

devesh, you should remember who made the system. it is not a chicken and egg here. it is very clear directive. my getting it is not to accept your notion of corrections, but accepting a stance that i have nothing to stop your thought process.. that is all. by no ways, you should think that we are on the same page. i am only sharing a problem session, and my page is entirely in a different platform.

in my page, i entirely and wholesomely blame the people for the problems. of course, we can disagree and be on the same problem session on a different page and platform. people can create systems.. systems can't create people. if people are bad, they are bad. period/source of truth.