AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Aug 2013 21:15

All that is in the past. Look to future and present. Rehashing old arguments is pointless now.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 16 Aug 2013 21:23

'Tuglaq' has posited the same thing that many have said it here. Cho Ramaswamy theory is that since Jagan is gaining ascendancy in 'Andhra', INC is splitting AP to get some seats in 'Telangana'. The speculation is that KCR will support or join INC. Cho thinks there will be river water disputes and other issues.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Aug 2013 21:26

Kishan Reddy better watch out. BJP might also turn into an R vs K fight for domination. At the very least we need a 3rd pillar in AP so that politics doesnt become the fiefdom of these two groupings.

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 16 Aug 2013 21:27

devesh wrote:All that is in the past. Look to future and present. Rehashing old arguments is pointless now.

True. But past is prologue.

The argument is not pointless when the topic of Hyd sharing/splitting comes up.

I do not want a separate T region. But if it comes to that, I want HYd to be firmly a part of T-region. No sharing business. It is not helpful to anyone. The 1 lakh crores in loans should be split up based on the regions that money was spent on.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Aug 2013 21:29

People who might have links with Lagadapati should carefully probe him now. Within their caste, the more futuristic ones need to start their ascent now. It's the right time. The old pillars seem to be shaking a bit.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Aug 2013 21:51

devesh wrote:Kishan Reddy better watch out. BJP might also turn into an R vs K fight for domination. At the very least we need a 3rd pillar in AP so that politics doesnt become the fiefdom of these two groupings.

R Vs K and V Vs R are unavoidable. Three generations of education hasn't changed. If as a political party doesn't want to maneuver through those interests it won't exist. Others have to beat the system by making more wealth and creating political clout.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Aug 2013 06:00

They have sanctioned fresh loans for Lagadapati LANCO group. So he is now sold. Rest of the MPs are almost purchased with one or another. Jagan's mother is going on hunger drama from 19th at Vijayawada and in most of the Rayalaseema and Coastal districts Jagan criminal gangs only could show their face with INC and TDP MLAs hiding in Hyd and Delhi. So INC doing a SP/BSP like thing in AP also. I pray CBN even now gets his ideas right and go for NDA in entire AP and there will be a very good chance they can stop mafia plans.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 17 Aug 2013 06:18

Narayana Rao wrote:They have sanctioned fresh loans for Lagadapati LANCO group. So he is now sold. Rest of the MPs are almost purchased with one or another. Jagan's mother is going on hunger drama from 19th at Vijayawada and in most of the Rayalaseema and Coastal districts Jagan criminal gangs only could show their face with INC and TDP MLAs hiding in Hyd and Delhi. So INC doing a SP/BSP like thing in AP also. I pray CBN even now gets his ideas right and go for NDA in entire AP and there will be a very good chance they can stop mafia plans.

Correction. Only YSRC and TDP and some INC MLAs are doing protests from political arena.

Vijayamma is doing hunger strike after TDP MLA Devineni Uma announced hunger strike. She chose Vijaywada to neutralize TDP's browny points given in Vijayawada she or YSRC has no Shtana Balam (place advantage).

As for TDP in NDA, you may need some learning in Asthra Shastra.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 17 Aug 2013 06:44

If YSR is the one who fanned the flames of the Telangana movement, then how come YSRC folks are protesting against division in SA?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 17 Aug 2013 08:26

vnmshyam wrote:
devesh wrote:All that is in the past. Look to future and present. Rehashing old arguments is pointless now.
True. But past is prologue.

The argument is not pointless when the topic of Hyd sharing/splitting comes up.

I do not want a separate T region. But if it comes to that, I want HYd to be firmly a part of T-region. No sharing business. It is not helpful to anyone. The 1 lakh crores in loans should be split up based on the regions that money was spent on.

I agree completely. Common capital does no good to Andhra either. It just perpetuates and widens the developmental differences between Hyderbad and SA. 10 years from now, SA wil be even more behind. Instead they should focus on the package, and figure out how to frame constitutional guarantee around it. Their biggest fear is that once the state is separated the package will suffer same fate as hundreds of other election promises that parties do. From now on AP should reject national parties and support whoever there in the center for better aid. That is far more superior model for its people than what they have got for most of the last 60 years. In other words, replicate what Tamilnadu has done.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Aug 2013 11:21

dAsari gAru, the essence of what you are saying is that no more gentlemen's agreements which have to be honored in the future for kottha AP. Absolutely the way to go to build trust, IMHO!

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 17 Aug 2013 12:09

There is nothing wrong in giving tickets to film stars. It gives some much needed publicity and visibility to BJP and also winning candidates. Just make sure they are not nut cases but tow the party line.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Aug 2013 16:51

BJP has little hope of wining anything outside T areas. If it allies with TDP in entire AP it can make some inroads. But CBN is yet to make up his mind. Both the Ministers from AP in NDA governaments are duds and failed to get any personal name in AP.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Aug 2013 18:17

slightly OT but relevant to AP--

""likley many know this--

some elders belive that ysr got killed due to divine retribution-- he wanted to construct churches around Tirupati and destroy it. there were protests inside the party but could not do much as he was powerful.

you can take or leave it. ""

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Aug 2013 22:00

This was very widely talked in entire AP

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 17 Aug 2013 22:55

Dasari wrote:...From now on AP should reject national parties and support whoever there in the center for better aid. That is far more superior model for its people than what they have got for most of the last 60 years. In other words, replicate what Tamilnadu has done.

Be careful what you ask for. TN has paid a terrible price over the years for kicking the national parties to the curb. Its 39 seats only became valuable after the era of coalitions dawned in the early 2000 time frame. Till then TN was pretty much on its own and had to pay every dime for anything it wanted to do. Almost all the growth in TN has happened after liberalization in 1991. Till then TN was a big fat zero and Andhra was the wealthier and prosperous state.

Folks are all pro-midday meal scheme now, but TN paid for its midday meal scheme out of its own coffers when things were quite desperate back in the 70's & 80's. MGR's repeated begging trips to Dilli came back empty handed. After MGR KK & Dr JJ to went on many a begging trip with little to show for it. Essentially zero Railway projects were sanctioned for TN and even as late as the 90's the majority of rail network in TN was meter gauge. People forget that even in the early 80's TN had a poverty rate of 70%+. This at a time when Bihar had a poverty rate of 30%. From being the 3rd most industrial state at independence, TN dropped at one point to the 18th most industrialized state. Behind MP & a whisker away from Odisha. There was a reason TN educated folk where migrating through the rest of India, including Kanpur & Kolkata. These were more prosperous and dynamic places back then.

Look at the massive central projects Andhra has benefited from. Since Neyveli in the 1950's AFAIK TN did not get a single large CS project. In fact the largest since then is the North Chennai Thermal power project in partnership with NTPC which only began a few years ago. Even BHEL in Thiruchi was not expanded and production was shifted elsewhere in India. Even the MRTS parrakkum rail was 2/3 financed by state government IIRC.

In a particularly vicious moment of vindictiveness, IG gave away Kacha Tivu on a platter to Lanka. The only recoded moment since independence that the Indian land mass shrunk. (Ignoring Teen Bigha, which is still being argued). An NGO near Thoothukudi had a published a report saying roughly 1,800 folks +/- have died due to this one decision.

I'm not saying you should not kick the national parties to the curb. But be prepared for some viciuous payback if your votes happen to not be required. In retrospect I think TN would still do it, but with the wisdom of hindsight with a more careful approach, keeping the national parties entertained and interested.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Aug 2013 03:01

Krisna
Look at who benefits and not be distracted by stories.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 18 Aug 2013 21:52

Theo_Fidel wrote:In a particularly vicious moment of vindictiveness, IG gave away Kacha Tivu on a platter to Lanka. The only recoded moment since independence that the Indian land mass shrunk. (Ignoring Teen Bigha, which is still being argued). An NGO near Thoothukudi had a published a report saying roughly 1,800 folks +/- have died due to this one decision.

Doubt this is true. Indira Gandhi would deserve to be prosecuted posthumously in this case, if only to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Rejection of national parties is the direction India has been moving towards since the coalition governments started.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 18 Aug 2013 23:08

Theo_Fidel wrote:
Look at the massive central projects Andhra has benefited from. Since Neyveli in the 1950's AFAIK TN did not get a single large CS project. In fact the largest since then is the North Chennai Thermal power project in partnership with NTPC which only began a few years ago. Even BHEL in Thiruchi was not expanded and production was shifted elsewhere in India. Even the MRTS parrakkum rail was 2/3 financed by state government IIRC.

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We can write volumes on the neglect of center, especially Congrees, towards AP. Let me give you simple stat. For the last 10 years, AP got minimal cabinet positions for electing 30+ MPs for Congress while the regional parties in TN managed to align with whover is ruling at the center to get more and very important cabinet positions. Don't tell me the cabinet positions don't mean anything. When they want to divide the state, and to buy their silence they inducted huge contingent from coastal area. Wasn't it similar to appeasing regional parties for their support (silence)?

Whether it is in power sector, railways, agriculture subsidies or even cyclone relief, the neglect is well known. For long, the attitude of Congress that AP is always in their back pocket was detrimental to the state. That is how TDP came to power. Unable to beat TDP, they launched 'T' astra. Here we are. I hope that this permanently wipes out Congress in AP and make regional parties stronger.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Aug 2013 23:48

devesh wrote:Kishan Reddy better watch out. BJP might also turn into an R vs K fight for domination. At the very least we need a 3rd pillar in AP so that politics doesnt become the fiefdom of these two groupings.

Isn't the MIM gang already jockeying for that position??

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Aug 2013 04:41

MIM isn't jockeying for 3rd position. They want to use the INC to eliminate TDP altogether from Telangana. and make sure that any successor to TDP (with TDP's votebank; like BJP) doesn't take shape.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 19 Aug 2013 07:42

venkatraman as defense minister split the BMP project after IG got elected from medak and promised OFP with the slight of hand Thiru T Venkatraman sent the engine part of BMP to Avadi

As Dasari has said the list is quite high one ore example
Mallokarjun the railway minister a Chenna reddy protege could not get a single new railway project
The Bibi nagar Nadikudi project languished for years together
Because railway board is full of you know who
Even Vizag steel plant had wait till Salem got one
At the height of Janta wave AP gave 41 MPs and 1 MP from Anantapur was sanjeeva reddy on janata ticket
INC is most ungrateful back stabbing party for AP
Even Telugu Ganga water was given TN because of friendship between NTR and MGR / AIDMK at the expense of Rayala seema
....

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 19 Aug 2013 07:44

Kachativu was given by sirimavo bandarnayake Shastri pact in 1964 not IG
Stop pushing half baked .....

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 20 Aug 2013 01:24

^^^^^
Oye vee! You do realize Kacha Tivu was transfered in 1974 so presumably Shastri came from the grave to pull that one off.

I think you are confusing it for the Tamil worker transfer agreement which to ended up being implemented and carried out badly by IG, setting the stage for the violence that has wracked the island since.

Today Andhra has 14 vs TN having 11 or maybe 10 as HPF really counts for zilch. At that time CPSU's were the only option for any form of industrialization. Back in the 1960's The ratio was much more skewed towards TN.

Salem Steel is a specialty Stainless Steel plant. Not the same as vizag steel.

The fact that all of BMP did not end up in AVADI itself tells you what the policy was.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 21 Aug 2013 05:36

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 21 Aug 2013 10:45

Not a chance sir. INC will ensure entire AP continue to burn so that it can win few more seats. No hope even if BJP comes to power in Delhi in 2014 they also need some support from AP and they will also burn AP.

Welcome to Burn and Rule.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 22 Aug 2013 17:12

Nandamuri Hari Krishna (NTR's son), MP from Rajya Sabha, officially resigned for United AP.

Loksabha speaker suspended 4 TDP MPs and 7 INC MPs from Loksabha. Apparently INC is doing tricks to get Food security bill so suspended protesting MPs.

http://www.andhraheadlines.com/BrowseAr ... tId=118752
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awRJ9nGK1X8

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 22 Aug 2013 17:21

Protest by 1 lakh students in Kurnool city. They should take this to Delhi to have impact and non-Telugu media coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D18LIXBJTuo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYLz-beEfM

AP doesn't seem to be functioning for last 23 days.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 23 Aug 2013 10:19

Interesting.

TV9 - Seemandhra TDP MP Shiva Prasad whips himself protesting suspension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vPWhWNmVfU

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 24 Aug 2013 21:26

The Islamic terrorist brokering peace between the Christian missionary Don and his ex-Christian Italian mafia patron. Why dont someone put a bullet in this terrorist head ?

Will Owaisi bring Congress and YSR Congress closer?

HYDERABAD: As new political alliances are on the anvil ahead of the general elections, MIM president AssaduddinOwaisi's meeting with the AICC president Sonia Gandhi has stoked speculations that the Hyderabad MP was brokering peace between the Congress and YSR Congress.

The meeting assumed political significance also because it was the first time that Assaduddin was calling on Sonia Gandhi after his party pulled out of UPA in November last year over a local issue, following which the squabbling between MIM and Congress turned murky and culminated in Akbaruddin Owaisi, Assaduddin's brother and Chandrayanagutta MLA, landing in jail for his hate speech.

At the outset, the purpose of the meeting was to advocate Rayala-Telangana, if division of the state was unavoidable, and dissent to accord union territory status to Hyderabad. But, sources of his party said Assududdin discussed AP politics with the Congress president which was indicative of the possible changes in the equations between the parties in the state.

"Before brokering peace for anyone else, Owaisi has to make peace with the Congress. And I think Wednesday's meeting was a part of it. We cannot rule out new partnerships, as many foes are waiting on wings to turn friends," said an MIM leader.

In a similar situation, in June last year, Assaduddin Owaisi had met YSR Congress president YS Jaganmohan Reddy at Chanchalguda jail where the latter is serving term as an under trail in a slew illegal asset cases, and convinced him to support the Congress Presidential candidate Pranab Mukherjee.

"While politics in AP is in a state of flux amid the turbulence over the state division issue, the Congress is devising two-prong strategy for Seemandhra and Telangana. It is eying an alliance with the YSR Congress in Seemandhra, and a partnership with the TRS in Telangana. In both the areas, the national part wants the MIM to be the common friend," said a senior Congress leader.

According to him, a grand alliance of the Congress, TRS, MIM, and CPI was on cards for Telangana, and a partnership is yet to be stitched for Seemandhra.

The idea of the grand alliance for Telangana took wings after Assududdin called the TRS president K Chandrashekar Rao earlier this month after the Congress Working Committee (CWC) resolved in favour of the separate state. The TRS sources even said Assuddin had met KCR at his farm house in Medak and discussed various aspects of politics in the backdrop of the proposed bifurcation of the state.

However, no party is willing to confirm the news at this nascent stage. While Assaduddin decline to respond, YSR Congress MP Mekapati Rajmohan Reddy said it was too early to talk about the electoral alliances.

"I would not be surprised if Owaisi and Sonia talked politics. What else two politicians can talk about when they meet?" said Rajmohan Reddy. "I am not even ruling out the possibility of alliance which could be post-poll or even pre-poll, but it is not the time to talk about it. Let this division tide run out and the situation come to normalcy."

Admitting to the talks that his party was engaging with the other political parties, a TRS politburo member of TRS B Vinod Kumar said the deliberations were on the division issue as it was the top priority in the given situation.

"Formation of Telangana state is the priority for now, the TRS is just focusing on it. Once the statehood is achieved, the elections are the next destination and we will think of the strategy. If the alliance is in the interest of the party and Telangana people, then we would consider it," said Vinod Kumar.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 24 Aug 2013 22:38

Why is the MIM opposed to UT status for Hbad when they can actually run it?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 24 Aug 2013 22:55

For one, If Congis are gone in 2014 then Hyd will fall in NDA domain squarely i.e. if it comes to power. If it is BJP with 272 then it is worse for them. If it continues as AP capital along with Telangana then non-NDA AP will be screwed easily. One scary scenario.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2013 01:28

Rony, Its all as simulated in Mesquita analysis run in 2011.
Its all about power and how to retain it.

Even after that the analysis predicted that some 10 year development package has equal ranking with two states with joint capital. So what happened is that INC rushed to declare the two states to preempt BJP taking potential first mover advantage. And BJP also made them jump the stick to ensure hitherto estimate losses in Andhra side.

The shocker for the analysts was the prediction that MIM and YSRC would coalesce when they looked like they were opposite side of the camp.

Supratik, UT status would mean who ever rules Dilli will rule Hyderabad the other Muslim Sunni city.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 05:02

this is traditionally how commoner Hindus have always been betrayed by their elites. Telangana is in for a surprise again. all the tamasha going on will lead to more mullah power this time protected by the Congress-Center alliance and their state apparatus. if things were tough back under Nizam, now we have direct Hindu assistance to the Ashraf dregs to run the show. Owaisis are transforming into king-makers. soon, we'll have TDP attending court of Owaisi to make their case.

it is a fundamental blunder to make the Ashraf fantasizers the middlemen and kingmakers. essentially, they have opened a direct link between Islamic imperialists sitting in Gulf and Andhra area. whatever happens in the later is either directed in part, or is known to the former in advance.

what this does is strengthens the hand of the Islamic-EJ collaboration nexus that seeks to crush the Hindu and divide the spoils.

The honest lessons that the interiors learned from interaction with Islamics for centuries was not heeded and now the elites are back to playing their old games.

who here still believes that this whole thing was masterminded by KCR? or TRS? they are pawns and mindless ones at that. the game is being played and moved by others far higher than this guy.

for people living in USA, they have a unique opportunity. especially for Telugu folks, if you happen to talk to the right people belonging to chosen elites clans/castes/groupings, you will notice that tongues tend to wag much more easily out here than in India. they tend to drop their guard sooner. I have been saying for a few months now, and my recent interactions with some solidly connected T-elite background wallahs leaves me with no doubt that the power brokers there are preparing for some form of the return of Nizam.

they have all the excuses and justifications ready. the deceptive arguments in favor of defanging the Hindu against the Islamics are once again freely rolling off their tongues.

the commoners are being prepared for sacrifice.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 25 Aug 2013 13:57

What kind of melodrama is this? It became a passtime here to abstract the heck out of any subject to obfuscate the real issue. When we had enough of needless debates about this fictious EJ influence in AP, do you need to add islamists from Gulf into the mix too? Perhaps you should follow your own advice- just relax, it is only creation of new state. In any case, when movements and new states are created out of political opportunism, what do you expect?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Aug 2013 14:44

Any idea how opening new foreign embassies had affected AP politics.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 25 Aug 2013 17:59

needless debates about this fictious EJ influence in AP

This truly sir is fictious statement.

Check EG Vizag vijayanagram etc districts and also read Rajiv ji Breaking India

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Aug 2013 18:20

Dasari wrote:What kind of melodrama is this? It became a passtime here to abstract the heck out of any subject to obfuscate the real issue. When we had enough of needless debates about this fictious EJ influence in AP, do you need to add islamists from Gulf into the mix too? Perhaps you should follow your own advice- just relax, it is only creation of new state. In any case, when movements and new states are created out of political opportunism, what do you expect?

yes, you are absolutely correct. KCR, the evil Telangana-wallah, is the mastermind of this whole thing. he orchestrated the entire sequence brilliantly. now you can go ahead and construct a KCR in your mind with 10 heads and amazing divya-astras.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 25 Aug 2013 18:41

KCR is seema Andhra who is now destroying Telengana with INC

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Aug 2013 19:01

devesh wrote:I have been saying for a few months now, and my recent interactions with some solidly connected T-elite background wallahs leaves me with no doubt that the power brokers there are preparing for some form of the return of Nizam.they have all the excuses and justifications ready. the deceptive arguments in favor of defanging the Hindu against the Islamics are once again freely rolling off their tongues.the commoners are being prepared for sacrifice.

Devesh garu, if you don't mind can you elaborate on this ? This is scary !