Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Mahendra]

But that will be the saddest day in the life of lol/love purush no?

[Sanku]

But that will be the saddest day in the life of lol/love purush no?

If you believe congress mouthpieces, yes. But otherwise no.

[Mahendra]

But Love purush himself uvacha

Djinnah was secular

Dec 6 was the saddest day in my zindagi

Poor mithai purush got aam ki gutli

and Senile purush continued to put foot in mouth merrily

[Sanku]

But Love purush himself uvacha

Djinnah was secular

Dec 6 was the saddest day in my zindagi

Poor mithai purush got aam ki gutli

and Senile purush continued to put foot in mouth merrily

Come on Mahdi, you know I am not falling for these IEDs

[member_27444]

Too many swords in one sheath
BJP headache for eons

[niran]

Amit sah is the ultimate manager he had helped NaMo
win Gujjarat three times beating the combined might of sikular
parties and media and beurocrate and jastice, since UP is most important
hence his ablest maharathi in UP
and sapa got onree the ire of Hindu holloi polloi particularly
female voters regardless of what the neutral sikular media portray
these things you need to have your ears on the ground not watching Tele
and yes typing from the phone is damn%&$*&

[Mahendra]

Niran Sirji always on the dot

[Virendra]

Swapan is over doing it.

have we considered that perhaps a majority of Indians do actually like the "establishment" simply because it allows them to negotiate as part of their beloved caste/clan/grouping than as an individual demanding his or her rights.

those groupings have played an important role in protecting individuals over the past 1000 years. one Namo is not enough to break it if society hasn't evolved to the point where it is ready for him.

I know people (young and old) who have said that they voted for Indira Gandhi.
How could a youngster vote for Indira Gandhi in 21st century? Even if they voted for "her sake/name-bearers", it is still utter silly.
This is the urban youth by the way. I don't have the courage to talk of what it is like in the remotest corners of rural India.

[Yagnasri]

There are many months from now to Delhi and national elections. No need to despair or confident. Huge middle class and poor (never under estimate their knowledge) on Mafia will continue till elections. Only thing NM has to do is to try and do his best. That is all. I sure the people will take a suitable decision at the elections.

[Sri]

There are many months from now to Delhi and national elections. No need to despair or confident. Huge middle class and poor (never under estimate their knowledge) on Mafia will continue till elections. Only thing NM has to do is to try and do his best. That is all. I sure the people will take a suitable decision at the elections.

+ 101%

I have written this before. This is not the time to peak.. either for NM nor for Rahul. This is the time to fight on fringes... and test each other's resolve.

[Ashok Sarraff]

I was thinking that the persecution of the communal Asaram is to balance the arrest of the secular nationalist Tunda. Same with the crackdown on VHP. Now add Sadhvi Pragnya, crackdown on Ramdev, the peaceful secular protest in Mumbai, secular Owaisi's Nirmal Nagar speech, and it's almost back to the secular raj of Aurangzeb.

[Yagnasri]

and plan, organise store things etc needed etc. Simply time to prepare for coming war. Logistics etc starting from wallposters to every thing. In a complex national level elections many things are to be done before the date. Very few of us seems to be understanding this. Like war the best orbanised and prepaired people will have better chance. BJP is going to do better than others.

[member_20317]

My stand on the Secularism dhaga notwithstanding, I do acknowledge the 'Secular' but only in its proper context and not in the conflated manner it is usually used with several different values.

I understand there are a few people who still harbor misgivings about all the minorities being part of the secular world. Now for such people I would strongly recommend the Zee-Salam channel. It has got some of the programming that you could use to understand how the Muslims are being lead by their Maulanas. Yesterday there was a gent on, thereon. The nub and the gist of his stand in pretty much the following words was - 'Indian State has through its various mechanisms, handicapped the Muslims, on account of their being Muslims and hence the reservations to Muslims should also be given based on their being Muslims.'

I am not cross posting this in Secularism Dhaga because I do not have the link to the programming. But then this is food for thought and can certainly be talked about on GDF.

[SaiK]

I think muslims will continue to be on this mode of seeking quota till we have largely removed caste based quota system. They feel muslim is a caste too. So, the faster we move away from caste based policies, the better secularism can be established. The fact that higher caste have enjoyed and they need to removed of this quota is a pathetic idea, whoever brought in.. a merit based, with a policy driven to include categories like - economically weaker section, technologically weaker section, and biologically weaker section is a more plausible angle to think at.

[ramana]

Hari Seldon, As one dormant member told me "UPA is a gang of feudals and criminals who will do anything to retain power."

[ramana]

Report and observations from lurkers on the Hazare & Bedi visit to Bay Area on 23 August 2013 weekend.

Numerous meetings with different audiences were addressed. Our lurkers were in most of them.

- Hazare is a genuine peacenik. Unfortunately he thinks he is above politics and thus has no real supporters. UPA was worried they would be thrown out if he died in the hunger strike. So they came up with a bunch of promises none of which were kept.
- Bedi thinks of legalistic approaches to confront corruption. Wants to bring in some law or other to curb corrpution. The drawback is this plan relies on the very people who are subjects of the proposed law to bring htis change. Hence a non-starter.
- AAM party is like MNS or PRP to split the opposition vote in Delhi. No real foothold but can fragment the opposition vote.
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Most oddest thing is the meetings were setup by secular-Marxist-leftist NRIs who hope to influence the political process in India. These folks cut their teeth in social activism thru Indians for Collective Action, ASHA etc. Same time they have deep pockets due to the dot-com entreprenuership.
Some spend/camp 4-6 months in their native states and changing the political connections.
Some were stating how they try to persuade Aloowala et al to mold the planning commission prespectives to their world view.
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From these facts one can see there is a tussle in the INC between ruling feudals and criminals and the SMLs to dethrone the former using the anti-corruption vehicle.
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[gakakkad]

Marxist-leftist NRI's being dotcom entrepreneurs is an oxymoron of sorts isn't it ramana saar?

funny how they want to be leftist in Yindia and make money by being capitalist in amreeka..is this the equivalent of the inverse watermelon of the pakee NRI's ?

[Yagnasri]

Ramana sir, The Mafia/Criminal gang ruling India has fixed in the establishment through its Dynasty image and connections. So the Mafia and the establishment is now one and the same. Any ruling class - particularly one which is totally criminal and corrupt - will not allow power to go out of its hand. Indira Gandhi at least let the elections take place because the INC by the time only degenerated. Now INC no longer exisits. It is now a mafia/criminal gang only interested in power and use power to loot.

To expect such people to to play fair is too much. But since "we by and large "know what the enemy and also has reasonable knowledge of "what we are" we have a fair chance of wining.

[ramana]

Marxist-leftist NRI's being dotcom entrepreneurs is an oxymoron of sorts isn't it ramana saar?

funny how they want to be leftist in Yindia and make money by being capitalist in amreeka..is this the equivalent of the inverse watermelon of the pakee NRI's ?

They are SML at heart. However they made tons of money in the dotcom boom and took it off the table. So they can have the resources to play with Indian political system which is their first love. Most are Kanpur graduates.

They are more like tarbooza. White or green$ outside but red inside.
and all manage to keep their masks very well.

I was surprised when one of them was mentioned. I had met the guy and his wife only a month before. Looked so benign and harmless! So Gandhian!

[Sushupti]

^^^^ Yes.

Thanks For Connecting The Dot To Gadkari.

[Hari Seldon]

FSB has been passed 'with amendments'.... reports india today.

UPA's game-changer now in play.

Elsewhere, the ill-advised amendment to the Hindu marriage act also passed the RS. bad, bad day legislatively speaking...

[johneeG]

^^^

Why did BJP send Amit Shah there. It was a given.

What is your take on this?

If I may Kittoo ji, this is the first opening salvo, no one is under any illusions that the matter is "sorted". You do not bring on a agitation as a massive chariot of lord Jagannath, on day one. It involves building up. Some one has just fanned the embers under the pot.

The day Amit Shah went to Ram Lala to do his matha tek, it was crystal clear, which direction would BJP in UP take. There are six months, the heat should be built up closer to elections.

I am afraid Madhu Aunty is not going to like NaMo after all. BJP has to be BJP to win. Even Modi can not win across India on his Gujarat model. A pan Indian awakening needs a pan India symbol.

I just hope they take the matter to its logical conclusion and not bail out, as there will be immense pressure to.

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+108.

Yep, I agree Sanku saar, Madhu aunty is not going to like Namo's strategy in the last lap of election specially in UP/Vihar(probably in rest of Desh as well). And I agree that is the right strategy. I have been saying from the very first that the right strategy is a combination of
development(roti, kapda, makaan, sadak, bijli, paani, naukri) + Hindutva(Jai Shri Ram) + expose of kongi scams/inefficiency/misrule.

Only, development will not be enough. Ek aur dhakka will be needed to push tally from 160 to around 180(or more, depending on the fortunes in UP/Vihar).

I also think that lotus can enter new states(virgin areas or weak areas) only through hindutva. Hindutva alone can break/surpass the caste/clan considerations and make people vote. Development is an added beneficiary in such cases. Otherwise people will go for local options because lotus will be seen as a weak candidate in terms electoral winning ability(this applies even in UP).

There are few big states in desh. If a party wins them, then it is in driving seat to form a ruling coalition. Such states are: UP(85), Vihar(54), Maha(48), AP(42), WB (42), MP(40), TN(39).

Now, lotus is weak or non-existent in AP, WB, & TN. TN has only local players who will align with anyone who is able to form the Govt. So, the next thing is AP and WB. WB has left and AP has kongis. The lotus strategy should be to minimize the seats of left in WB and kongis in AP. And if possible, wrest some seats for themselves in these states.

Lotus is in alliance in Maha. And its alliance partner's party got split into two breaking the votes. And it has been out of power for sometime there. Lotus was in power in alliance in Vihar. But, that alliance broke and the ex-ally has now namonitis and secularitis. It would be safe to say that lotus is expected to do better in Maha and Vihar, but it is not in a commanding position.

I think lotus position is similar in Maha and KT. It is lacking that slight extra-push. An overt Hindutva might be useful to give that extra-push.

In UP, the situation is similar to TN but with a twist. Kongis, left and lotus are weak in UP. But, both the local players are not anti-kongis. In fact, they can be seen as kongi b-teams specially Mullahji. That means, UP is very much like AP, where kongis have several b-teams. So, in UP, lotus has a real uphill task. Lotus has to get seat in UP, if it has to have any chance of power. Because, lotus is weak in south and east of desh. Lotus is strong in north and west(with an exception of UP). So, lotus has to gain seats at the expense of kongi b-teams in UP. Both the local players are mostly caste players with some jihadi backing. The only way to break that mould is through hindutva(this time led by a BC, Namo). Of course, development is a given. But its an additional bonus.

Lotus has been following a strategy of small states to enter the new states. This strategy was required after they have up Hindutva during ABV regime. And subsequently loh purush turning secular. This strategy was aimed at AP(Telangana), WB(Gorkhaland), and Assam(Bodoland). All these states are in south and east where lotus is weak. Previously, lotus had played a similar game in Vihar(Jharkhand), MP(Chattisgarh) and UP(Uttarakhand). This had a dynamo effect and any new state formations are bound to do that. I think lotus expects to gain after breaking an old state(where it is not existent). Lotus seems to be oblivious to the larger picture. For example, Jharkhand and Chattisgarh are tormented by naxals. And same is likely to be the case with other smaller states in the region(like T). Similarly, fanning sub-regional sentiments in border areas is very dangerous.

Uttarakhand has eluded lotus because it being a small state, the small variations in voting percentage can have large impact. So, while lotus seem to have gained immediately after the split, in the long run, the gains are marginal and the dangers to the desh are more with small state strategy.

I don't know how many seat lotus has won on the plank of Bodoland, Gurkhaland or T. It seems lotus expects to make inroads in a new state of T, if it is formed. And I think, that may be the reason why kongis are not going to form a new state of T specially because lotus is non-existent(in fact, has lost ground in terms of vote share) in AP.

I firmly believe that lotus is making a huge mistake in supporting small states in general and division of AP in particular. I think kongis got so many MP seats from AP because TDP, TRS and lotus had gone for division of AP and kongis had gone for united AP(under Yesu reddy) in 2009.

This time, kongis are going with the stand of division of AP to elections to thwart any gain of seat for Namo in T region. I think Namo could pull off an ace by switching his party's stand and gain a windfall of seats from pro-united AP votebank. Lotus is a national party and hence, the only party that can stop the kongis. If kongis and lotus really want to form a separate state, it can be formed in a single day regardless of what others say. Namo can make a simple deal with pro-united AP votebank, " give us seats and we will vote against division of AP in parliament". The ball will be in kongi court to put and pass the division of AP bill when lotus is opposed to it. Right now, there is not much competition for the votes of pro-united AP votebank. Also, the confidence on the politicians(who are seen to have betrayed) is low. Namo, with a new face, and lotus, as a new party, can enter this region using this opportunity. It will be a volteface by lotus. But, the fact of the matter is that all the parties have done volteface on this issue one time or the other because the issue is such. Without such a dramatic turn around, I don't see lotus getting any seats from the Thelugus.

In T region(as in UP), the model will have to be Hindutva. Particularly in oldcity of hyd, this strategy can win votes. I think Namo should have talked more Hindutva in his recent visit to Hyd. Instead of concentrating on this small state business, lotus should be taking up Hindutva which has larger potential. Hindutva, in terms of local events, can bring great boost. For example, ovaisie barks against Hin0dus should have been mentioned by Namo in Hyd and raised to the next level. Just as Amith Shah was sent to UP, someone should have been sent to T region for this exercise. Similarly, anything related to Thirumala would be appreciated, not just in AP, but in TN and parts of KT also.

Ideally, in TN, lotus could have used Ram-Sethu to gain foothold. At least, among the vaishnava clans. But, it seems, lotus can't afford to put off the DMK or compete with DMK(in terms of local muscle) because, they may be needed to form a ruling coalition. But, at least, RSS/VHP/ABVP should have formed some kind of local group and worked on it.

In WB, lotus should start talking about BD influx. Assam is already raging with that prob. But, lotus needs some local guys to do that forcefully. Ideally, it should have started working on this for at least past 5 years. This is also part of Hindutva. Instead of doing these things, lotus was banking on small states thing.

The one who wins these big states has higher chances of being in power in 2014.

Ultimately, it should be clear that development alone is not going to be enough(even in states where lotus has marginal presence, not to speak of those states where it is not even present). One has to understand that Namo's main strength is that he is seen as a mascot of Hindutva. His main support base comes from that. The development is icing on the cake. Another strength of Namo is that he is seen as one who was not defeated despite the best efforts of kongi-system.(like Harry Potter, the boy who lived, despite the best efforts of Voldemort. That is allure of Harry Potter). If Namo loses an election, that can prove very costly.

The ones like Madhu aunty are unreliable and they may not continue to support in case of any reversal of fortunes. Such migratory birds will migrate. Also, one term in power is not enough to make any apparent impact for people. So, to stand a chance in next term/another chance, one needs to have the core audience(hindutva + development) in good mood.

To those who say that lotus is raking up Hindutva for votes, well, political parties/politicians do things for votes because votes are supposed to reflect the people's opinion in a democracy. Anything that a political party does, is for votes. Thats given. Kongis support Ishrath Jehan and Lotus says Jai Shri Ram. Both are asking for votes. Let the people decide who is a better option.

+ 101%

I have written this before. This is not the time to peak.. either for NM nor for Rahul. This is the time to fight on fringes... and test each other's resolve.

Saar,
why equate pappu with Namo? I really don't understand how people still think positively about pappu?

I mean 5 years back, I too thought that perhaps pappu may not be a pappu. But he proved to be a pappu. And an anti-Indian and anti-Hindu one at that. His remark to Amirkhan about Hindus being a greater threat to desh should be enough to open the eyes of anyone.

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I thought Gadcurry was a RSS appointee in lotus. Was I wrong?

But Love purush himself uvacha

Djinnah was secular

Dec 6 was the saddest day in my zindagi

Poor mithai purush got aam ki gutli

and Senile purush continued to put foot in mouth merrily

Mahdi saar,
he was only trying to replicate the 'winning formula' of bajpayee(right man in the wrong party, hain ji).

Kapil ji mark my words, Delhi is going to go with Congress again.

CWG scams : forgotten
Ramdev agitation : little or no outrage exists
Lokpal agitation: fad is over
Gangrapes : yes law and order is the only thing that people will give two hoots for but remains to be seen if BJP can capitalise, so far not a word from Goel on how he intends to provide better security to Delhiites.

Saar,
I don't think anything is forgotten. It all adds up. I think kongis are gone. The question is can the lotus gain. Or will the kongi b-teams gain.

I think kongis are working with one eye on the possibility of kongi supported third front.

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I don't understand this supposed strategy of losing elections to make leaders irrelevent. I mean, an entire state has to be given up to weaken a single stateless 'leader'. Wow! The same was said during KT elections. Now, the same things are being said for Dilli elections. I thought, after the disastrous performance of KT, D4 should have been fired or at least put on tight leash.

Yep, Namo is inching there. But the pace seems very slow. He needs to fasten it up. Kongi strategy was always to put up internal divisions for Namo because they don't have any answers to the tough questions that he is raising.

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MatrimC saar,
an entire country does not have to revolt for a revolution to be successful. Even the majority does not have to take part. Anyway, there is a theory of 'silent majority' which can be applied to revolutions also.
The number that actually revolt is very small. Thats why the Dilli throne is always so insecure, specially when the throne is occupied by those who are alienated from the natives, if we look at history.

India today survey predictions:
in 2014; NDA will get 150 odd, like in 2009. UPA is going to be 110-120 odd.
Third front will be 250 odd seats.

wow!

hmm ... media conditioning the population to accept the EVM management that is being planned?

Never say never! Going by these surveys, it seems the possibility of third-front backed by kongis is being projected. A swing of 30 odd seats can prove very important in such situation. So, if someone wields the EVM magic, then that one will have to identify 30 seats very the winning percentage is likely to be small(that is a few votes can make a difference between winning and losing). And in those areas, if lotus is defeated, then the reduces the margin of lotus by about 30 which makes the possibility of third front much more likely.

Remember, they are saying UPA as 110-120. Which means that kongis will get much less, perhaps less than 100. In such case, they are unlikely to be the ruling party. UPA is made of all opportunitic guys kept in line by the CBI. So that alliance is not likely to stay, if kongis get less than 100. So, third front is the safe option. The next option is to have a friendly lotus regime(D4?). Namo is an absolute no no.

I think kongis(specially the dienasty) are fighting for their survival and they know they are on wane. There may be even plans to shift away to Italia, if push comes to shove. But, lotus needs to gain advantage where the kongis are losing. Right now, kongis are ceding space, but lotus is not gaining. Without Namo, lotus is seen as same as kongis. With Namo, lotus has a chance.

The crucial thing is that this is like regime change(a more systematic one). So, this will decide who will be the next successor.

[SaiK]

FSB has been passed 'with amendments'.... reports india today.

UPA's game-changer now in play.

Elsewhere, the ill-advised amendment to the Hindu marriage act also passed the RS. bad, bad day legislatively speaking...

Is this the 2005 amendment on mitakshara one?

[Supratik]

Marxist-leftist NRI's being dotcom entrepreneurs is an oxymoron of sorts isn't it ramana saar?

funny how they want to be leftist in Yindia and make money by being capitalist in amreeka..is this the equivalent of the inverse watermelon of the pakee NRI's ?

They are well organized and have the ear of the US administration. One of their greatest efforts was giving up "Cashmere" which was defeated. The other major effort was to create hysteria of "fascists" taking over when Vajpayee was coming to power which also didn't help. In their quest for battling "Hindu fascists" they have allied with Islamists and the "imperialists" aka USA. They were active after Babri, nuclear test, nuclear deal, etc.

[Singha]

firstpost.com

Firstpost Politics
Unwell Sonia leaves Lok Sabha during voting on Food bill, admitted to AIIMS
13 mins ago

New Delhi: Congress President Sonia Gandhi, who has been spearheading the UPA’s ambitious Food Security Bill, left the Lok Sabha while the voting was underway tonight on various amendments moved by the Opposition.

Gandhi was seen leaving Parliament at 8.15, being helped by Union minister Kumari Selja. Her son and Congress Vice President Rahul Gandhi also accompanied her.

She had viral fever since last night and doctors examined her at her home, sources said. Earlier in the day, Gandhi led the party in the debate on the landmark bill describing it as a measure to wipe out hunger from the country.

Sources said Gandhi was taken to AIIMS and top officials of the institute including its acting director R C Deka are taking care of her. They said she is undergoing some tests and is under observation. According to CNN-IBN she has been admitted to AIIMS.

NDTV reported that hospital spokersperson said that the ICU is a precaution, but said there was “nothing serious” about her condition.

[Singha]

the silicon valley leftists usually gather a lot of signatures for their e-petitions from clueless desi munnas and munnis who get taken in by their do good language and reasonable sounding posture, without realizing the hidden agendas. as do a lot of students in prestigious univs there.

[Sushupti]

^^^ Stunt(given that delhi media is reporting sonia's illness which it never does) on the advice from some old darbari from IG era. But i doubt any body will get fooled by this other than emotional devoted congress voters.

[Supratik]

the silicon valley leftists usually gather a lot of signatures for their e-petitions from clueless desi munnas and munnis who get taken in by their do good language and reasonable sounding posture, without realizing the hidden agendas. as do a lot of students in prestigious univs there.

A distant relation - husband and wife both Communist party sympathizers moved to the west - both daughters are viciously anti-India and anti-Indian (could not tolerate India on their rare visits) and married out. Led me to wonder with so much bile for mother civilization if they survive beyond one or two generations?

[Supratik]

Also during the high phase of Naxalism in urban India many boys and girls from well-connected families were given the option of moving to the west or getting liquidated.

[Sushupti]

[ramana]

Marxist-leftist NRI's being dotcom entrepreneurs is an oxymoron of sorts isn't it ramana saar?

funny how they want to be leftist in Yindia and make money by being capitalist in amreeka..is this the equivalent of the inverse watermelon of the pakee NRI's ?

They are well organized and have the ear of the US administration. One of their greatest efforts was giving up "Cashmere" which was defeated. The other major effort was to create hysteria of "fascists" taking over when Vajpayee was coming to power which also didn't help. In their quest for battling "Hindu fascists" they have allied with Islamists and the "imperialists" aka USA. They were active after Babri, nuclear test, nuclear deal, etc.

Supratik, Muh me ghee shakkar or splenda!!!

One of the remarks stated was if they don't succeed in changing the system, India will be like TSP!
Decoded it means ascent of Hindutva in India.

All those fake cases against Purohit, Sadhvi etc are a result of brainwaves from these people to pull a pre-emptive Dreyfuss on Indian Military.

Cal and Stan madrassas are their feeding grounds.

[member_20317]

Sanku ji, is it not a bit late for a Hindutva wave. 92 ka phal 98 mein mila tha.

And can a strategy as multi dimensional as Hindutva ever be successfully limited to a State. I mean if NaMo+Amit Shah team can achieve that kind of fine resolution measurements, I would be surprised.

Also Hindutva in UP means Parvin Togadia getting stronger. And unlike last time he may not be coming unprepared. He has seen how the VHP thunder got stolen last time.

Lets see, perhaps a grand bargain may be required.

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Hindutva == Dur hato aye duniya walon, Hindustan hamara hai
UP campaign == Dur hato aye khusron chamhon, Vidhan Sabha hamara hai.

Significant difference

[SaiK]

FSB has been passed 'with amendments'.... reports india today.

UPA's game-changer now in play.

Elsewhere, the ill-advised amendment to the Hindu marriage act also passed the RS. bad, bad day legislatively speaking...

Is this the 2005 amendment on mitakshara one?

never mind.. saw it on the toilet..it ij the marrij one.. yup, now the evil in-laws can gang up on men! be prepared folks.

[Sanku]

Sanku ji, is it not a bit late for a Hindutva wave. 92 ka phal 98 mein mila tha.

ravi_g, you are preceptive, as always. I am certainly not expecting a full 92 scale movement before the elections, however, UP is already hugely polarized, SP, has pulled all the stops and the situation there has to be seen to be believed. (as a aside -- I dont think SP is coming back in any which way (I could be wrong but unlikely)).

In such a situation, a full build up like that of 92, and follow up for 6 years (which included Rajiv's assassination, otherwise BJP would be stronger) -- are not necessarily needed to build up a movement for a cause which is languishing. To add, this may not even be a battle for 2014, but 2016, and then the movement also gets more time.

Net net, RJB is bound to evoke a reaction, if not a full wave. Also along with choice of Modi, Amit Shah's darshan of Ram Lala, and other moves, the signal it should send out unequivocally, is that Modi is the same person that Hindu's can repose trust on to take forward the movement and is not burdened under the gold and silver of development and the praises which that gets from likes of Madhu Aunty.

Now will this move outside UP as well ? Possible, but that could be only good?

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Disclaimer -- I have ZERO inside visibility in Modi campaign for any number of reasons (not political ) but I do not think that Amit Shah going to Ayodhya and VHP moves are a coincidence (not a big fan of coincidence anyway) -- VHP has been offered political support, and all said and done, VHP and BJP are not really antagonist parties.

I am sure Togadia will reason if suitable adjustments are done. Modi and Togadia as people who have been chaddi buddies are hardly likely to let power politics embitter their relations too much. A lot of distance may even be posturing. After all the reconversion in Gujarat were all by VHP onlee no.

[Vikas]

Why would someone who is a PIO hate India ?
India is your only identification in this world stage or else you would be like a rootless hobo.
I see all these Internet warriors and Rock chair experts peddling out vile against motherland forgetting that even after 1 or 2 generations, they are still identified as Indians. Lot of them gained respect only when India gained respect in world eyes and cashed on this manna otherwise they were one of the snake charmer/Wife burner/elephant riding tribal clan coming from Poverty.
Ask any of these Pakis how they crave for decent image of TSP so that they can at least mention their nationality in public without causing commotion and call to 911.

[anchal]

Food security bill is passed. Welcome UPA III folks!

And guess who saved the day for the Regina at the Luytens - Sushma Swaraj. Over to you NaMo, your party has screwed you

[SaiK]

what is this analysis of one bill being passed, and welcome UPA 3, 4 ..N?

[anchal]

And make no mistake, for a layman outside the echo chambers of Facebook, Twitter - Government has lot of free money. So they don't mind if things go worse since things were anyway worse from them!

So in all likelihood unless the usual dormant middle class rises beyond expectations, UPA 3 is here for us. Anybody who CAN leave the country will leave the country, for the rest there is free food, RTI, MNREGA and may be free healthcare and kool aid sickularism!

[Sushupti]

Food security bill is passed. Welcome UPA III folks!

And guess who saved the day for the Regina at the Luytens - Sushma Swaraj. Over to you NaMo, your party has screwed you

Saffron Gandhis would be appropriate term.

[member_20317]

anchal man hold your horses. Forget new spendings. If these guys do, just nothing and stay quite, even then the 2014 elections are going to be held under a pall of smoke. Smoke of everybodies livelihood burning. If these guys do manage to get a few good decisions, those will mostly yield results in the 2015 horizon. Kongis are toast. The problem is BJP will not get it. Whether we like it or not BJP is not that strong esp. without polarisation and our people do live in a multiple identities world (which is something we absolutely need in another context) and that translates into ideas like regional satraps and possibly third front.

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Sanku ji, yes the Hindu in UP has remained intact largely due to Maya bhenji having been successful in her campaigns. She got the so called, lower and upper castes together. But I live with these bums. I am one myself. UP walas are NOT unhappy with Sapa. They are NOT happy either, yes.

I believe NaMo knows this, and that is why he sent Amit Shah in. Somebody with the maturity for the job.

But I am happy with this first experiment. People at office were all for this Chaurassi Kosi Yatra even after listening to the TV propaganda. This schism between MSM and Mango man, must get greater for things to turn right.