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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Aug 2013 07:15

iran does have the advantage of sharing a common border with russia across the caspian sea.
http://www.advantour.com/img/caspian-se ... ea-map.gif

there can be no US VBSS/no-fly-zone goonda squad on or over the caspian , so their rear supply line both via sea, land and air is secure.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 27 Aug 2013 07:44

....Those gleeful pro-US apologists should think carefully as such a precedent could one day similarly be used against an Indian govt.,calling it a "right-wing fundamentalist" entity,"persecuting the minorities",threatening "poor Pakistan",indulging in "genocide in Kashmir","torturing Tamils",,blah,blah! There will be any number of Indian "freedom fighters","rebels",who will be willing to take up the cause of "liberating" India and re-establishing "democracy and secularism"........

My friend, why worry about destruction, when you have Kangress party. 25% of nation's destruction is completed on-time. If people like us do not take charge, rest of 75% destruction is guaranteed in next 5 decades...

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Aug 2013 07:56

destruction of Pakistan asap should be our only goal. Or else this silly excuse will be trotted out against India too. A surprise shock & awe against the pakis, now you see them now you don't. India should extend it's border uptil Iran at any cost.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Aug 2013 09:10

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

Avarachan · Post by **Avarachan** » 27 Aug 2013 10:09

shyamd wrote:
I recall many challenged me (one just a few days ago) when I said Russia is weak and can't do much if US enters the fray - See for yourselves from the horses mouth:

Shyamd, do you really think Russia will tell the truth regarding its intentions? Deception is essential in war. It once looked like Putin was going to hand over Snowden, too. Russia is backing Assad all the way. What do you think happened to the MOL Comfort?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 11:52

^^ gross overestimation of Russia's power and capability today. You'll see in the next week other than

what they'll do.

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What is going to take place in Syria will create a brown shalwar moment for our neighbour. Conclusion of the meeting in Amman that concluded yesterday was to seize the CW assets. As discussed more than 5 months ago. Israel also attended the meeting yesterday.

So what's going to happen? Canada will deploy it's JIRU - Joint Incident Response Unit of their special forces that specialises in dealing with CBRN threats. Britain has it's Joint CBRN unit. US has specialised units who were even last month drilling for seizure. French will deploy it's 1st Armoured cavalry along with their specialised unit. They can only operate in an NBC environment for 3 hours due to temperatures.

US administration are now preparing legal basis for going to war.
The official said we are not waiting for this to be dragged out by Russia or Syria and find out what we already know has happened.

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Aug 2013 12:13

shyamd wrote:^^ gross overestimation of Russia's power and capability today. You'll see in the next week other than what they'll do.

then why bandar went to Russia ? hey Russians are so powerless onlee no ?

one of the smartest diplomats and strategists in the game, as per admission of his own house-idiots .. went to the 'powerless Russians' and the 'sulking Putin' to bargain what ??

so he is not so smart afterall eh ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Aug 2013 12:26

Lol

from daily mail archives Jan 29,2013
no longer available/accessible

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad's regime

The Mail quickly pulled the story down within 24 hours, offering no formal retraction, but simply wiped it clean from their website, but we have a screen shot (below).

salient points:

"Leaked emails have allegedly proved that the White House gave the green light to a chemical weapons attack in Syria that could be blamed on Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country."

"A report released on Monday contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence where a scheme 'approved by Washington' is outlined explaining that Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons."

"Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people."

"It reads: 'Phil.We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington."

" 'We'll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.' "

" 'They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.' "

" 'Frankly, I don't think it's a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?' "

" 'Kind regards, David.' "

"The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumes and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News."

"Dave Goulding's Linkedin profile lists him as Business Development Director at Britam Defence Ltd in Security and Investigations."

"A business networking profile for Phil Doughty lists him as Chief Operationg Officer for Britam, United Arab Emirates, Security and Investigations."

"The US State Department had not returned a request for comment on the alleged emails to MailOnline today at time of publication."

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 16:50

UK Parliament is to be recalled - will vote on Thursday on action in Syria.

US sec def chuck hagel tells BBC that american forces 'ready to go' if obama orders military strike on syria.

Abandoning Assad - Our fleet in the Syrian port of Tartus will leave as soon as the situation escalates, the Russian Navy spokesman said- AJ

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Aug 2013 18:11

The timing of the chem attacks is so suspicious.What conceivable gain could Assad achieve when UN chem inspectors were in Damascus just a few km from the incident site ? It is akin to committing harakiri.The Daily Mail expose in Jan is possibly the best answer.

So what after the attacks? A Q asked by a talking head on the BBC .Ultimately,destabilising the Assad regime would invite chaos and the beneficiary would be "Al Q and their affiliates".The conflict would widen and could engulf Israel.One cannot understand the policies of the US.They removed Saddam and created mayhem in Iraq,leaving it open to Iranian entry and influence,invaded Afghanistan with Pak as partner,now in full retreat allowing partner Pak to bring back the Taliban and a square one situ! Asinine!

The Saudi masterplan to destroy Lebanon and eliminate serious Shiite influence in the Arab world is the other side of the same coin of western interests in the region.

The hard truth is that in the ME."holding the ground" is the key.No amount of air attacks,etc. will alter this fact.Thus,if Iran acts on its threat and sends in tens of thousands of "volunteers" into Syria and Lebanon via Iraq,where Shiite interests are growing,a dramatic new threat to Israel will develop.This could then see possible attacks against Iran too,widening the conflict which will engulf the Gulf and send oil prices into the stratosphere if tanker shipping is attacked.It is also certain that both Russia and China will at some time,intervene in some form in order to preserve their interests in the ME.The worst mistake would be to underestimate the two nations.

Where is India? Speechless,spineless and supine.With the Rupee flat on its back,the stockmarket plummeting in synch.,the reputation of the worlds' largest democracy who I think at last count had "peacekeepers" in Lebanon,is deafening by its silence.Where has the great "Nehruvian" foreign policy of the Congress evaporated? Our latter-day "Solomon" is so myopic in vision,that he can hardly see upto the Indian borders and the grave events unfonding there! The only squeak in protest has come from the Left,at the moment "Left out" of the Indian political power structure.

It is also astonishing that the Indian TV media has no daily news programme both for national and international events.All that is telecast is a daily slanging match between political factions on various scandals,and other issues,who behave at times like louts,never giving the other side an opportunity to speak.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/a ... tion-kerry

Iran warns west against military intervention in Syria

Tehran threat comes as John Kerry says US would respond to 'undeniable' use of chemical weapons by Assad regime

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 18:16

^^ Who said anything about bringing Asad down with use of force? These attacks are to prevent CW being used and that is all.

The west has told the opposition to prepare for Geneva II.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Aug 2013 18:18

shyamd wrote: These attacks are to prevent CW being used and that is all..

How will US attack on Syria prevent US from using chemical weapons through proxies?

I am a little confused. Please help.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Aug 2013 18:35

This is the beautiful part.The "proxies" are actually alleged covert western agencies operating in cahoots with Syrian "rebels".The chem attack was not spontaneous.It was perfectly timed when UN inspectors would be in Damascus.The gameplan is to Balkanise Syria,sever its connections with Lebanon where it has considerable influence,thus weakening the Hiz and its logistic links,who joined in the fighting against the "rebels" ,giving them a thrashing at Quasir.Read this old report on the Quasir fighting.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/hezbollah-lead ... ote]London, May 26 (ANI): The leader of the Lebanese Shia militant Hezbollah movement, Hassan Nasrallah, has promised his supporters of victory in Syria, where they are backing President Bashar al-Assad.

Syrian rebels in the besieged town of Qusair say they are under heavy bombardment from Hezbollah combatants. Qusair is important for the Syrian government because it links the capital, Damascus, with the Alawite heartland on the Mediterranean coast, reports BBC News.

Hasrallah said in a speech from an undisclosed location that if Sunni Islamists took over in Syria, they would pose a threat to the entire Lebanese population - Shia and Sunni Muslims, as well as Christians.

He said his movement could never be aligned with Syrian rebels who, in his view, were supported by the US and Israel.

Dozens of Hezbollah militants are said to have been killed fighting alongside Syrian troops in Qusair since May 19, when government forces launched an offensive to recapture the rebel-held town.

Last week, US Secretary of State John Kerry said thousands of Hezbollah fighters were contributing significantly to the violence in Syria. He added that Iran was actively supporting Hezbollah's involvement - a claim denied by Tehran.

Iran and Hezbollah are predominantly Shia, while Assad's Alawite sect is an offshoot of Shia Islam.[/quote]

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Aug 2013 18:47

Sanku wrote:
shyamd wrote: These attacks are to prevent CW being used and that is all..
How will US attack on Syria prevent US from using chemical weapons through proxies?

I am a little confused. Please help.

This is the Syrian peoples Halabja. A Critical Path Point on their PERT chart.

The strange twist of fate is that the 'Western Civilization' is again on the exact same spot. They can twist things to make them look like anything. Remember even in Halabja they said it was the Iranians, then they kept quite and today they say they took down Saddam because of Halabja. That joker Canadian Engineer on all the military forums mentioned this as the reason once to me or perhaps to somebody else and I read it

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shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 19:06

Russia begins evacuation of civilians. Russian military officers were evacuated in June.

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Saudi in negotiation for 30% stake in ONGC petrochem facility in Gujarat. Rs6000 Crore investment roughly per latest news reports.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Aug 2013 19:26

[edited]..

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Aug 2013 19:43

saudi's have sent a poorer bandar to mollify Indians.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 20:09

Loving all the people who are still in denial...

US officials saying military strikes will likely start on Thursday - Syrian C&C, airfields and artillery will be targeted.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 27 Aug 2013 20:43

But Thurday horoscope is aspected by Mars for the world lots of blood shed ,Tomahawks, gas explosions, fatricide, insecticide, pesticide,cynide all gases coming out of ground says western astrology. Mars is the God of war, and looks like Venus aspecting Israel, the talks on schedule with PLA, Venus is god of love as per western astology.

But what does your reading tarrot tweets indicate, will it be really big this time or contained implosion of West Asia aka Midle east?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 27 Aug 2013 20:49

i really wonder if Assad really has chemical weapons and the US wants to grab/destroy them? They wouldnt have given this long introduction and timeframe for Assad to move them.

My bet is this is Iraq WMD redux.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 27 Aug 2013 20:52

abhishek_sharma wrote:Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

That is ridiculos and despicable ( as only daffy duck would say it better)

US woulld never use or encourage chemical weapons, Agent Orange was used in vietnam, as much as an exception as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Just to prove to the world why we should nver use Chemical weapons like Nerve agents and agent orange. Seeing is beieving. so it did once and Saddam use encouraged by unkil was to nail the claim chems are dangerous only in Tropics not in Desert!

I dont believe even for a second US has anything to do with Chemical weapons.

Yesterday a guy from MIT was saying even Hitler did not use Chem weapons in war or on civilian citizens of his country.I wanted him to be directed to any Israeli jounalists of his choice and a near by Holocoust Museaums to check his claim that Hitler never used Chem weapons that too on civilians...

Such is the Maya of Unkl long live Unkil

and Public is equally intelligent

Oh by the Kerry is an excellent person to cite the danger of Chemical weapons having seen it first hand and even protesting in service and after as well

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Aug 2013 20:56

habal wrote:saudi's have sent a poorer bandar to mollify Indians.

In the same vein, can't they let me also have some blood money. Why only a select somebody gets this blood money.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Aug 2013 21:07

Philip wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk
US signals intent to take action against Assad regime John Kerry

John Kerry says it is 'undeniable' that government was behind 'obscene' chemical weapon attack .

But will an attack by the US also be another "obscene" attack that send international protocols on waging war into the dustbin? Those gleeful pro-US apologists should think carefully as such a precedent could one day similarly be used against an Indian govt.,calling it a "right-wing fundamentalist" entity,"persecuting the minorities",threatening "poor Pakistan",indulging in "genocide in Kashmir","torturing Tamils",,blah,blah! There will be any number of Indian "freedom fighters","rebels",who will be willing to take up the cause of "liberating" India and re-establishing "democracy and secularism". We already have them waging war against the Indian state,they're called Naxalites of Maoists,bum-chums of celebrated authors,hailed by the West as the conscience of India like one A.Roy. Just watch how a "chem attack" in J&K supposedly by Indian forces but actually perpetrated by the Pakis will see India roundly condemned by global vested interests.The neo-colonialists and their quislings like Jai Chands and according to some,Nehru too,will have already drawn up their wish lists and reward schemes.More's the pity.

God grant that you are not our Cassandra, Philip garu.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Aug 2013 21:16

Let the sequence of events in Iraq Libya Syria during the post coldwar era of American aggression be a lasting lesson for the need for gaining a nuclear deterrent .

Small nations must have their own deterrent or at the minimum be under a nuclear umbrella to resist the one-sided aggression US and its minions so wantonly inflict on those who don't bend to their whims.

Syria under Assad remains independent and is still surviving only because it had the foresight to acquire WMD like CW.
So if nations can't afford nukes let them at least strive for Chemical Weapons or Biological weapons or even rudimentary radiation weapons.

Having a Samson option is as necessary for a turd world country as having a standing army.
This is afterall a world dominated by massa and its attack dogs.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 21:17

On Syria, tonight: UK to finish operational plan.
Wed: Nat. Sec. Con. meets.
Thurs: Parliament to authorize campaign
Friday: 1st strike.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 27 Aug 2013 21:21

But Friday is Holy Day for Muslims what about sentiments they will hurt them as well? WHy not SUnday better Holiy day

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 27 Aug 2013 21:25

Lilo wrote: Small nations must have their own deterrent or at the minimum be under a nuclear umbrella to resist the one-sided aggression US and its minions so wantonly inflict on those who don't bend to their whims.

Syria under Assad remains independent and is still surviving only because it had the foresight to acquire WMD like CW.
So if nations can't afford nukes let them at least strive for Chemical Weapons or Biological weapons or even rudimentary radiation weapons.

Having a Samson option is as necessary for a turd world country as having a standing army.

"A ICBM in the front yard and a bomb in the back yard" said ex BRF member for world peace and understanding

ICBM = Inter Continental Brotherhood of Mankind

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 21:31

@AFP: #UPDATE: Britain not seeking to topple Assad: Deputy PM http://t.co/c0nrHHbCIw

From horses mouth - now I hope the conspiracy theorists will quieten and think of new theories to spread

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 27 Aug 2013 21:33

Every thing is factual nothing con in a Internet world.

If Assad is debilitated physically or for resources how does that not mean toppling him?

May be just tilting him?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Aug 2013 22:04

Many moons ago while Dempsey was telling everyone US has no capabilities to use force in syria etc and can't intervene against Asad. I said all they have to do is use cruise missiles, funnily that is exactly what the pentagon is going to do.
Funny how things are all of a sudden possible.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Aug 2013 22:56

After taking out WMDs, Assad NATO Saudi Qataar Turkey Jordan Iraq Iran will all do happy camel dance. WMDs gone after all so no toppling or black market of Chamicals now on to assorted jihadis and sheiks groping for free weapons and no more bloodthirsty warmongering.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 27 Aug 2013 23:03

yea - I was beginning to lose faith with BRF ahead of the curve

now I can look forward to a fun Friday

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 27 Aug 2013 23:11

It's the 20th anniversary of the Mumbai bombings and it will be 5 years since the massacres in that city. Every time that India has presented incontrovertible proof of Pakistan's complicity, the evidence is misplaced, dismissed or the blame passed onto 'non-state actors' such as the DEA agent Headley, yet with regards to the events in Syria, Indians are being asked by the likes of Kerry and Bandar to accept the accusations and allegations that are being pedalled as fact. The NGO that pretends to be the GOI is likely bury its collective head on this one.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 28 Aug 2013 00:05

Looking back at the pages on this thread - there is very little constructive discussion. Plenty of trolling. Good bye folks.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 28 Aug 2013 02:40

No No shymd never quit if you believe in what you do is good .
There are many people who read but dont post. I am actually against any person going away or being banned.
In real life we just dont see people of one kind or on one agreement even in families but we get along same here.
There may be distracters but you continue if you are not a quitter.
You have fiends here too who may remain incognito and appreciative

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Aug 2013 05:40

Amyrao, Don't join the melee.

Yes moves are afoot.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Aug 2013 06:18

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 18815.html

article on the destruction of the Syrian economy - poor guys - they are finished for the next couple of decades

hopefully one day karma will catch up with the wahabbis and the Euro turds

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 28 Aug 2013 06:42

shyamd is absolutely correct about Russia's impotence re: Syria. They're about to lose another long-term strategic ally and their last naval port outside Russia's borders. I've been pointing this out for years: for all the talk of Russia's resurgence the sad fact is their military is a mess. Russia can't protect Syria from the latest western aggression. Nor would they gain anything but embarrassment by sending more powerful weapons to the Assad regime. Russia's air defense and anti-ship systems are no doubt overrated junk just like everything else they build. Syria will fall and Russia will sit there whining about it as they do every time one of their allies gets taken out. For the US and its lackeys this will be just like the Serbian and Libyan campaigns: a cakewalk. Heck, it doesn't even cost much - surgical strikes are dirt cheap compared to land warfare. They took out Qaddafi for less than a billion dollars (by comparison Iraq cost $3 trillion).

Anyway, here we go again. Another country pounded into oblivion and another victory for the Wahhabis.

There's a lesson in all this: India stands alone. We have no friends. Russia has passed into complete irrelevancy; they're a joke and cannot be counted on for support or even reliable weapons sales anymore. We better get our f*cking act together because the Pakis and Chinese are getting stronger and bolder every day and nobody, I mean nobody, is going to give us one iota of support.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Aug 2013 06:51

kanan

most here lamenting the wahabi meddling in syria - have no expectation of any grandiose ability on Russias part - they will at best needle and be an irritant somewhere else

most of us also do not have any great expectation of Russia standing by us either. Hell we barely expect the FGFA

but i noticed my friends in country to the west of syria are not rejoicing at the prospect of US intervention - but the MIC is a force all by itself

There's a lesson in all this: India stands alone. We have no friends. Russia has passed into complete irrelevancy; they're a joke and cannot be counted on for support or even reliable weapons sales anymore. We better get our f*cking act together because the Pakis and Chinese are getting stronger and bolder every day and nobody, I mean nobody, is going to give us one iota of support.

yup

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 28 Aug 2013 06:53

Shyamd,

I may not agree with half of your reports and intelligence analysis but I do greatly appreciate all of your posts. Please continue to post. Your posts are gems.