Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 28 Aug 2013 16:17

Harbhans ji,

Must buy garlic instead and hang it around your house - bloodsucker's like Khangressis may get repelled by it.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 28 Aug 2013 18:12

happy Janamastami Guys!!
We have no right on the result, only on action, so lets give our all to defeat this adharmic force!! All we can do is fight, and fight we must. Leave the rest to Him. If you look at the bleak big picture and run away from your responsibility of fighting it out, probably you do not no Dharma well enough, or the indic philosophy, so learn it one more time and join this mahabharata on the Dharmic side!!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Aug 2013 18:14

Atri wrote:
niran wrote:and no, tis not the time to emigrate-shemigrate, tis time to amour up chariot up and beat them adharmics back.
+1

+108. We need to take back Bharat from the brown colonizers. This is our chance to become Krishnas/Arjunas.

Use the falling Rupee to your advantage. Collect funds to be used when needed.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Aug 2013 19:02

X-Post from economy dhaga...

RamaY wrote:
SwamyG wrote:The falling rupee yields several discussions. One thread I have witnessed in desi media is the plight of Indian students going abroad. Everyday some channel or the other seems to bring this once a day. Sometimes articles are written on this topic too. I find it fascinating that this topic has garnered this much attention. Frankly, this problem, which is a problem for a few, should be at the bottom of the totem pole.
SwamyG garu, this is a controlled demolition of middle-class India by Congress. They are using whatever resources left in their control to shield (or at least give that feeling) their vote banks using NREGA and FSB, while letting the system collapse under the feet of all opposing groups - upper/middle class etc.,

This is a deliberate move by INC to achieve whatever goals they have in mind. There is no other explanation for the conscious inaction by INC for past 4 years.

This is the Shakti Atriji talked about in NM thread.

In a way the so-called NEW-India is being harassed and is "facilitated" for migration. The objective is to usurp Indian resources while giving the poor India a sense of security. Every questioning voice is shunted out of India to foreign shores, which is in firm control of others.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Aug 2013 19:34

We can not know from what area the Mafia attacks will come Take example this vedio with wild and serious allegations in a little known Tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGyCwM68Nz4
No one spoke about these things for sometime now and there was no great exposure on these allegations on Baba Ramdev by the paid media also. I think he was just put on notice by the establishment that he will be beaten, insulted and even murder allegations will be made and arrested if and when it suits the mafia. They are trying such games on Modi for many years and it is measure of capacily and honesty that they could not do anything to him till date.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 28 Aug 2013 21:54

Another JD(U) leader Captain Jai Narayan Nishad meets Narendra Modi, calls him a 'good king'

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/biha ... 04121.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Aug 2013 22:42

You can see interviews that Madhu Kishwar did with Muslims in Gujarat and shared them at @Jijnasa_ event.

http://jijnasa-live.blogspot.in/2013/08 ... ar_28.html

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Aug 2013 22:47

Mafia attacks can come in the form of anything really - NREGA or FSB is internal. External offers can be in forms like offers to build Shanghai for coal, Chicago/NY for oil, London for finance - offers offers for a few coins or attractions.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 29 Aug 2013 02:37

Marten ji's and other BRFites plan to get 10 voters to vote is a very good.

Reposting this article from facebook again as a fresh reminder:

Someone's interesting take:
Reasons why Congress is winning for the past 65 years and why it will win in the future:
( A View Point)

Currently, on an average (over states) there are 15% Muslims, 8% Christians, 7% Others and 70% Hindus.

That is out of 100 people, there are 70 Hindus, 8 Christians, 15 Muslims and 7 Others.

Voter registration is as follows:
90% of Muslims, 90% Christians and 60% Hindus and 90% Others.
This means, that is out of 100 people, 42 Hindus, 14 Muslims, 7 Christians and 6 'Others' will Register for vote.

Now, interesting point
Out of the registered voters having voter ID or at least having interest in selecting their representative....

Have a look at the number of turnouts 50% Hindus will vote, 90% Muslims will vote, 90% Christians will vote and 90% others will vote

That is ultimately 21 Hindus will vote, 13 Muslims will vote, 6 Christians and 5 'Others' will vote during election and these people are responsible for selecting the representative and deciding the future of our Great India....

That is these, 45 people of total population. It is highly likely that out of 13 Muslims, 10 will vote for Congress, Out of 6 Christians, 5 will vote for Congress and out of 5 others, 3 will vote for congress.

That is Congress will get 18 non Hindus votes, BJP may get 1 Muslim or Christian and 1 others vote.

That is BJP may get 2 non Hindu votes. Other parties, that are third front, may get 2 Muslim or Christian and 1 vote from others.

That is, 'Others' may get 3 non Hindu votes.

Coming to Hindu votes now Out of 21 Hindus. If 5 vote for Congress, 10 vote for BJP and 6 vote for other parties.

Final result will be Congress 23 votes, BJP 12 votes, other parties will get 9 votes. This has been the trend since 1990, therefore, Congress do not bother for Hindu vote.

Congress loses in States where the Muslims do not vote for them.
If Congress scares minority from majority, which is easy in the name of secularism, their 90% work is done....and they have been doing so.. religiously..

It is highly likely that the trend will continue and may vary by few percent and the Congress will remain in Power, as minority population increases, for the next 100 years..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2013 03:25

Business Standard:

India finds expats patriotism elusive

Wrong headline of blaming the NRIs!

By Sumeet Chatterjee and Beth Pinsker

MUMBAI/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The patriotism of wealthy overseas Indians has helped the country avert economic crises in the past and it is little surprise that embattled policymakers are turning to them again to plug a record trade gap that is battering the rupee.

This time, though, big investors among the more than 25-million overseas Indian community - the world's second-largest diaspora - are staying away as the economic outlook darkens and political instability looms ahead of national elections.

Shoring up inflows from the overseas Indians is a key weapon in Finance Minister P. Chidambaram's arsenal to prop-up the rupee that has lost 20 percent against the dollar so far this year and which dropped to a record low on Wednesday.

The rupee's crash has boosted remittances, mainly from blue-collar workers overseas - particularly in the Gulf - who can get more rupees for hard currency. However, it has not triggered a surge in high-value investments in real estate, private equity funds and stock markets, bankers and wealth managers said.

{Form Hindu's pages FII lost ~20% of their investments when reconverted into $s}

Underlining the hesitancy, flows from non-resident Indians (NRIs) into bank deposits in the April-June quarter dropped to $5.5 billion from $6.6 billion a year-earlier, central bank data shows.

Investments in real estate by overseas Indians dropped about 30 percent in the fiscal year that ended in March, according to the Confederation of Real Estate Developers' Associations of India (CREDAI), an umbrella group of local property developers.

"People feel like there are too many unknowns. The most recent government has been ghastly, and nobody quite knows what comes after it. I haven't been optimistic about India for quite a while," said Vasant Prabhu, chief financial officer of Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc in New York.

"What makes it hard, you don't know what the bottom of the rupee is," he said in comments underscored by a rupee that stumbled from 63 per dollar on Friday to almost 69 per dollar on Wednesday - a sharp move over such a short period of time for a currency.

His comments were echoed by wealth managers and bankers in Britain, the United States and India who said non-resident Indian clients saw too many uncertainties despite the tantalising prospect of buying assets with a record-low rupee.
{you kidding with Damad lurking around how do they know those properties are not scams?}

Economic growth is at its weakest in a decade and seen slowing further, New Delhi is struggling to close a record deficit in the current account - the broadest measure of a country's international trade - and a national election that must be held by May could tempt the government to spend to win over voters and so undermine its fiscal discipline.

{They never showed discipline either in looting or spending. From a democracy they reduced India to a kleptocracy rule by thieves}

In addition, emerging markets are losing favour with investors generally as the prospect of the United States reining in its economic stimulus draws cash into U.S. assets.

In a bid to attract funds, India liberalised bank deposit schemes and some banks raised rates for overseas Indians this month. They could secure interest rates of more than 8.5 percent on one-year rupee deposits and as much as 10 percent on three-year accounts, a relatively high return compared with many other countries where rates remain near historic lows.

"All these folks always had this strong belief that India is the safest country to invest and four, five years back when the rest of the world was collapsing India was still growing," said Anil Behl, head of wealth and strategy at lender IndusInd Bank , referring to the global financial crisis.

"That mood has changed now," he said. "I can certainly feel that some NRIs are looking at dollar-based products from international stables ... they are very wary of pure rupee products."

GRAPHICS -

India rupee & RBI intervention http://link.reuters.com/vag78t

Asia money & markets http://link.reuters.com/var99t

India rupee, RBI intervention http://link.reuters.com/vag78t

Rupee, bonds, FX yields http://link.reuters.

LARGE HIT

The government goes out of its way to tug at the heartstrings of white-collar expatriates, such as those in Silicon Valley and at top investment banks in London, to raise funds and cushion the impact of slowing institutional inflows. There is even a ministry for Overseas Indian Affairs which has NRI investment as a core goal.

Ministry of Overseas Indians is there to park useless polticians who travel all over the world at GOI expense}

New Delhi has managed to lure them in the past with attractive deposit schemes and bonds. It issued a five-year Resurgent India Bond in 1998, raising more than $4 billion, and in 2000 it raised $5.5 billion through a deposit scheme.

India, Asia's third-largest economy, was the top recipient of remittances from diaspora in 2012 with about $70 billion, followed by China at $66 billion, World Bank figures show. India received about $63 billion in remittances in 2011.

Banks, including RBS , Barclays and Morgan Stanley , beefed up their teams in cities like New York, Singapore, Dubai and Hong Kong in recent years to advise overseas Indians on investment opportunities back home.

But many investors are now staring at losses as the rupee's plunge since May has wiped out gains they made on investments in private equity funds and mutual funds in the last few years.

"For people who are dollar-invested, that's a large hit," said Ajay Kaisth, principal of New Jersey-based Kai Advisors, which has $30 million under management, of which more than 60 percent is from Indian clients.

After trading broadly around 45 per dollar in 2010 and 2011, the rupee has dropped more than 30 percent.

LOSING FAITH

The economy is likely to grow even more slowly in fiscal 2013/14 (April-March) than the decade-low of 5 percent struck the previous year, as investment will stay weak due to a dearth of reforms and uncertainty ahead of the election, a Reuters poll showed.

The rupee has become the worst performer by far among Asian emerging-market currencies tracked by Reuters, despite frantic attempts by the government and central bank to support it.

Lalit Kumar Jain, chairman of CREDAI said property purchases by Indian expatriates were now needs-based rather than speculative, reducing what has been in the past a key type of demand.

As a portfolio investment destination, India also faces daunting competition as developed markets, including the United States, show signs of finally emerging from the global financial crisis, said Bundeep Singh Rangar, who advises individuals as well as companies on India investments as chairman of London-based IndusView Advisors.

"And that's a cause of concern because the biggest champion of India is its diaspora, and if they are losing faith you can imagine how much the non-Indian investor would be losing faith."

(Additional reporting by Suvashree Dey Choudhury; Editing by John Chalmers and Neil Fullick)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Aug 2013 04:23

ramana wrote:India finds expats patriotism elusiveWrong headline of blaming the NRIs!
Ministry of Overseas Indians is there to park useless polticians who travel all over the world at GOI expense}
"And that's a cause of concern because the biggest champion of India is its diaspora, and if they are losing faith you can imagine how much the non-Indian investor would be losing faith."[/b](Additional reporting by Suvashree Dey Choudhury; Editing by John Chalmers and Neil Fullick)

NRI can prove their patriotism by financing the election to remove traitor UPA or finance the tough insurgency to accomplish the same objective.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 29 Aug 2013 05:19

Ramana garu

> India finds expats patriotism elusive

That is so oxymoronic that I am at a loss to even think of where to begin. Give true dual citizenship to the 50 million bhAratIyAs spread around the globe a la Israel. If that is too much to ask, even the small step of raising $56Billion (2 x infra investment) or $100 Billion at reasonable interest rates will make the bonds fly off the shelves. It works out to $1K or $2K per NRI on the average. But then we need somebody who is not going to xfer the funds to Schwietzerisch Kredit Anstalt (yes kaa aa as my Swiss friend used to call it).

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Aug 2013 07:21

They will just legalize everything to get the illegal stashed money and make it legal. Suddenly you will see new rich folks hitherto were not as rich. They will put schemes such as "black money pardoning" etc.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 29 Aug 2013 07:54

NRI money is a delusion. most are salaried employees. they don't have the resources to compete with the local Indian money machine which runs into thousands of crores.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 29 Aug 2013 08:19

http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/our-challenge/

(Before reading the challenge- A REQUEST: Please circulate this challenge. Every opponent must see this. Innocent well-meaning people have fallen prey to the lies. Innocent Muslims have been made fanatics by the lies of self-styled secularists who have not stopped to think what the impact of their lies has been on the nation. Narendra Modi himself has done little or nothing to bring out the truth after 2002. He did give all answers in 2002, but not after that. The BJP and Sangh Parivar people of course have neither the desire nor the capacity to counter the media lies, nor the self-confidence. Every truth-seeker and well-meaning person is requested to circulate this. Nothing will dampen the enthusiasm of the liars more than the realization that in the whole world of 700 crore people, there is not a single person who can prove that the state government was culpable, nor prove that the riots were a genocide or a massacre. They will realize that anti-Narendra Modi people like Vir Sanghvi, Vinod Dua, Rajdeep Sardesai etc can only lie in their own newspapers and TV channels, but when challenged to debate with us, they refuse to come out. Please do not undermine the impact of this challenge).

niran · Post by **niran** » 29 Aug 2013 08:51

ramana wrote:Business Standard:

India finds expats patriotism elusive

Wrong headline of blaming the NRIs!

tut!tut!tut! this means NRI have wizened up and has stopped spending
wallmart was supposed to provide 1 keyroar direct/indirect employment, but till date wallmart
has not invested even in a ghanta so that MMS could at least bajao it, if youassyeah attacks Syria
then rest assured, Petrol will fly above 235 dollah, i.e. 17000 INR per barrel in real money>>>125+ INR/liter pump price i.e. RBI will be relieved from the need to print currency notes lower than 100 INR denomination>>>> well do me needs to spell it more?!?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Aug 2013 08:55

devesh wrote:NRI money is a delusion. most are salaried employees. they don't have the resources to compete with the local Indian money machine which runs into thousands of crores.

+108.

If one is corrupt and is in RE business, then they can afford all within desh onlee.

You see the big hawala that happens where NRIs get money from desh? converting black to white? heard about this?

for din-din expense, they hawala cash.. at least 2000 bucks p.m. is the white equivalent that is saved in the banks to be returned to desh.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2013 08:55

Niran, RBI will outsource the printing to ISI. Why worry!

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 29 Aug 2013 09:10

Will leave India if Narendra Modi becomes PM: Kamaal R Khan

Kamaal Khan will leave India if Modi becomes PM...I am sure many of his ilk feel the same way. On the other hand, there are very many more professionals and entrepreneurs, NRI or otherwise, who will leave India if the Dynasty returns.

We start to get a sense of the kind of folks who will leave and stay depending on the outcome of the elections.

Fairly solid evidence for the link between pseudo-secularism and reduced national IQ, I should think...

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Aug 2013 09:15

^Kal ka jaata aaj hi laat marke nakalo, but then on second though who will take good for nothing useless idiots like him.
Only in India such thankless people flourish

By the way someone tell him not to hit the door on his way out.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Aug 2013 09:18

niran wrote:
ramana wrote:Business Standard:

India finds expats patriotism elusiveWrong headline of blaming the NRIs!

Head line should be India Begs From Bharat.
Very few NRIs have money, only the NRB= Non Resident Bharti can help but they see no reason to pay for RNI's delusions. The one way to collect unlimited amount of money is to start Guillotine Fund . Bet, patriots will go overboard to pay for these machines to be imporetd and put to use in political arena ASAP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Aug 2013 10:22

RamaY wrote: This is the Shakti Atriji talked about in NM thread.

In a way the so-called NEW-India is being harassed and is "facilitated" for migration. The objective is to usurp Indian resources while giving the poor India a sense of security. Every questioning voice is shunted out of India to foreign shores, which is in firm control of others.

The migration has been happening for ages, and I do not see any planned effort to move Indians out of India. I actually welcome mass migration out of India.

And frankly, it is getting a little boring hearing all these Shakti vakti talk posts after post. While learning lessons from History is important, and like somebody said on the Internet the past is like a rear view mirror useful for driving ahead. But past is no guarantee for the future is also another thing to keep in mind. Studying patterns in history & present and psychology has its place.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 29 Aug 2013 11:08

devesh wrote:NRI money is a delusion. most are salaried employees. they don't have the resources to compete with the local Indian money machine which runs into thousands of crores.

+1

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Aug 2013 12:19

ravi_g wrote: SwamyG dada, sometimes people get given a long rope to hang themselves with.

FSB is PDS scheme through back door. Do you remember the days. BJP has merely acknowledged that the understanding on these matters is so wrong that they will just wash their hands while the hydrant is wasting.

What do you think will be the result in future for the economy.

Ravi bhai, I did not understand the bold part above. Is that a question for me? As far as the politics go, I think I have already stated clearly in couple of other posts. I trust we all are well wishers of India, apart from some minor distractions and disagreements.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 29 Aug 2013 14:02

Hari Seldon wrote: Our gods betray us yet again. "Dharma sansthApanArthaya, sambhavAmi yugey yugey" He grandly proclaimed.... And is nowhere to be seen since. Ghor kaliyug onlee...

"Our gods" (or Krishna or Almighty or Parmatma or whatever you want to call him) have come into being time and time again whenever they were required. It's just that we dont realize. Since this promise was given by Krishna, I will call 'Him' as Krishna.

It was Krishna in Ved Vyas who combined all Vedas.
It was Krishna in Aadi Guru Shankracharya who sanitized ill interpretations/beliefs of Vedas from sanatan dharma.
It was Krishna in Chhatrapati Shivaji who shielded Hindus from barbarics.
It was Krishna in Swami Vivekanand who announced the Hinduism in Chicago.
It was Krishna in Hedgevar ji and Golvalkar ji who formed and spread RSS. If you see the service RSS has done to this country you will realize this. To say it in few words, all dharmik forces of today are linked by RSS.
It was Krishna in LKA who did Rathyatra to unite and awaken Hindus. Babri was just a nimit karan. (to console Sushuptiji I have to say Krishna has left him

)
And it "looks like" that it is Krishna in NM who is challenging adharmiks of present time. Though only time will confirm this, and a very long time at that.

These are just examples. I have skipped many many more Krishnas.

Even if you observe ordinary people's lives, each will have ups and downs in his/her life. God keeps giving opportunities to everyone, small or large based on their past karma. In both times we are often presented by choices dharmik and adharmik. At the time of the decision it is Krishna who inspires us to go for dharmik. But being manushya we have right to go adharmik. Based on our choices we form our karma for future. By not recognizing this Krishna in us, we are doing disservice to ourselves.

But still, if you want to go strictly by the text, then sorry to say that time for the arrival of Mr. Kalki is long long away. He will come in the end of the Kalyug which has just started

.

For me what Krishna meant was that he keeps the balance between dharma and adharma. Note that when he promises to come time and time again, he also foretells us that the adharma will also keep coming with fierce force time and time again. In the same Gita he has also told us that Kalyug will be full of extreme hardships for people with ideals and values. So saar, this all is by design and things are only going to be worsen. Only thing is that we are assured that Krishna will keep coming to do the balancing it somewhat. And when it is totally out of control, Mr. Kalki shall do the sarvanash and create a new world.

What to do sir? we can't fight the design. Though we can honor and follow the Krishna within us. And to conclude, of course, it's all Maya onlee. So don't worry have curry

.

PS: Sorry for the grossly OT post. I'm tired of hearing this same lament (not on BRF) among people and sometimes even in news media. It is common to see people saying on the lines, there was only one Ravan for whom Ram took avtar, but what Ram is doing today when there are thousands of Ravans roaming freely. I tell them that it was Satyug and this is Kalyug. Today there are only thousands of Ravans, tomorrow there will be millions and the day after there will be billions. Afterall, this was also promised by Krishna

.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 29 Aug 2013 14:07

Atri wrote: Dillibilli, Sanku ji. LKA is like matsyendranatha who has forgotten who he is and lost in fairy tale of a dead king. He is a conditioned dilli billi, not a natural one. He really is what he was in 80's. Dillibilli and this patriarch together should be made ghatotkacha. Gorakshanaatha has awakened him year and half ago. Jaag machhindar gorakh aaya moment redeemed him in my tiny little eyes. Flak directed st dilli billi will also hit him.

Swadharme nidhanam shreyah, paradharmo bhayaavah indeed.

Saar, who do you think is Gorakshnath? Bhagvat ji or NM? And why do you precisely say that he awakened LKA year and half ago?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Aug 2013 14:07

^^^

Kick ass post Dave-ji.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 29 Aug 2013 14:19

Great post, BTW. More power to you.

kapilrdave wrote:Saar, who do you think is Gorakshnath? Bhagvat ji or NM? And why do you precisely say that he awakened LKA year and half ago?

Dunno Kapil ji, perhaps his own inner conscience. He has been on backfoot ever since gadkari was unceremoniously removed. Sangh which was quite as usual over yeddy's treatment suddenly became extremely proactive thereafter. The game changer was bhagwat-namo meeting in october last year.

I think Gadkari's removal was the last straw. Lets see. Things have gone too far. Hence they also warmed up to Swamy and let him in. In their estimation, this is the last phase where if still they remain complacent and neutrally observe the dharma will go to dogs. No dharmik can now afford to be neutral. Sadly many people don't know it yet. Next decade is absolute make or break for dharma like 1680-1700/02

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 29 Aug 2013 14:59

kapilrdave wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote: Our gods betray us yet again. "Dharma sansthApanArthaya, sambhavAmi yugey yugey" He grandly proclaimed.... And is nowhere to be seen since. Ghor kaliyug onlee...
"Our gods" (or Krishna or Almighty or Parmatma or whatever you want to call him) have come into being time and time again whenever they were required. It's just that we dont realize. Since this promise was given by Krishna, I will call 'Him' as Krishna.

It was Krishna in Ved Vyas who combined all Vedas.
It was Krishna in Aadi Guru Shankracharya who sanitized ill interpretations/beliefs of Vedas from sanatan dharma.
It was Krishna in Chhatrapati Shivaji who shielded Hindus from barbarics.
It was Krishna in Swami Vivekanand who announced the Hinduism in Chicago.
It was Krishna in Hedgevar ji and Golvalkar ji who formed and spread RSS. If you see the service RSS has done to this country you will realize this. To say it in few words, all dharmik forces of today are linked by RSS.
It was Krishna in LKA who did Rathyatra to unite and awaken Hindus. Babri was just a nimit karan. (to console Sushuptiji I have to say Krishna has left him )
And it "looks like" that it is Krishna in NM who is challenging adharmiks of present time. Though only time will confirm this, and a very long time at that.

These are just examples. I have skipped many many more Krishnas.

Even if you observe ordinary people's lives, each will have ups and downs in his/her life. God keeps giving opportunities to everyone, small or large based on their past karma. In both times we are often presented by choices dharmik and adharmik. At the time of the decision it is Krishna who inspires us to go for dharmik. But being manushya we have right to go adharmik. Based on our choices we form our karma for future. By not recognizing this Krishna in us, we are doing disservice to ourselves.

But still, if you want to go strictly by the text, then sorry to say that time for the arrival of Mr. Kalki is long long away. He will come in the end of the Kalyug which has just started .

For me what Krishna meant was that he keeps the balance between dharma and adharma. Note that when he promises to come time and time again, he also foretells us that the adharma will also keep coming with fierce force time and time again. In the same Gita he has also told us that Kalyug will be full of extreme hardships for people with ideals and values. So saar, this all is by design and things are only going to be worsen. Only thing is that we are assured that Krishna will keep coming to do the balancing it somewhat. And when it is totally out of control, Mr. Kalki shall do the sarvanash and create a new world.

What to do sir? we can't fight the design. Though we can honor and follow the Krishna within us. And to conclude, of course, it's all Maya onlee. So don't worry have curry .

PS: Sorry for the grossly OT post. I'm tired of hearing this same lament (not on BRF) among people and sometimes even in news media. It is common to see people saying on the lines, there was only one Ravan for whom Ram took avtar, but what Ram is doing today when there are thousands of Ravans roaming freely. I tell them that it was Satyug and this is Kalyug. Today there are only thousands of Ravans, tomorrow there will be millions and the day after there will be billions. Afterall, this was also promised by Krishna .

+108

Hari Seldon wrote: Our gods betray us yet again. "Dharma sansthApanArthaya, sambhavAmi yugey yugey" He grandly proclaimed.... And is nowhere to be seen since. Ghor kaliyug onlee...

Let us not forget that he also said we need to do our duty. How many hindus today do their duty? Yet when it comes to claiming benefits, they all stand in line. If you do YOUR duty (including spiritual ones), he will help. Trust me, I know it.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Aug 2013 15:13

Dave ji,

kickass comment indeed.

But beware of these Internet Hindus. This is how they catch hold of new murgas. Now somebody will post your write up in The Best Posts Thread and you will be hooked. After that nothing that you write will find place there and these guys will make you run for it.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 29 Aug 2013 15:34

Atri wrote: Dunno Kapil ji, perhaps his own inner conscience. He has been on backfoot ever since gadkari was unceremoniously removed. Sangh which was quite as usual over yeddy's treatment suddenly became extremely proactive thereafter. The game changer was bhagwat-namo meeting in october last year.

I think Gadkari's removal was the last straw. Lets see. Things have gone too far. Hence they also warmed up to Swamy and let him in. In their estimation, this is the last phase where if still they remain complacent and neutrally observe the dharma will go to dogs. No dharmik can now afford to be neutral. Sadly many people don't know it yet. Next decade is absolute make or break for dharma like 1680-1700/02

Thanks Atri ji. I see your point.

Thanks Atri ji, Shonu Ji, Sanku ji, Ravi Ji for the appreciation.

ravi_g wrote:Dave ji,

kickass comment indeed.

But beware of these Internet Hindus. This is how they catch hold of new murgas. Now somebody will post your write up in The Best Posts Thread and you will be hooked. After that nothing that you write will find place there and these guys will make you run for it.

Saar, I am already a hooked murga. One of my post was posted there and that's all

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To be honest there is not much I have written which may go with the likes of Bji, Atri ji, RD ji, RajeshA ji, Shiv ji (someone please bring him back), SS ji, JohnnyG ji, yourself, Ramana ji, Kartik, Rohitvats etc. I wish I could give back a fraction of what I get from this forum.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 Aug 2013 15:35

Shonu wrote:Rubbish post. Let us not forget that he also said we need to do our duty. How many hindus today do their duty?

Oye dutiful mind, chillax oye. Was a ramble onlee. Don't get all agitated, and for what anyway?

Yet when it comes to claiming benefits, they all stand in line.

*all*, eh? Including your honorable self too, I presume, no?

If you do YOUR duty (including spiritual ones), he will help. Trust me, I know it.

Saar, let go of rambles that shouldn't be worth a dime of your dutiful time...

Anyway, jai ho, jai sri krsna...

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 29 Aug 2013 17:03

^^ Sir, didn't mean to go on the offensive or offend you, perhaps the 'rubbish' part needs redacting. Just a bit frustrated with people who complain that God does nothing. Wasn't directed particularly at you but at those who always use God as an excuse for all India's ills.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Aug 2013 20:19

SwamyG wrote: And frankly, it is getting a little boring hearing all these Shakti vakti talk posts after post. While learning lessons from History is important, and like somebody said on the Internet the past is like a rear view mirror useful for driving ahead. But past is no guarantee for the future is also another thing to keep in mind. Studying patterns in history & present and psychology has its place.

SwamyG garu,

2014 elections are crucial from many angles, not just the periodic process of political parties seeking public mandate to govern the nation.

The current period is transformational in geopolitical, economic and civilizational aspects and India's vision, position and action in these areas will have major impact worldwide. World's interest in India is in its resources; human and natural. Indian resources shaped the world for the past 3-4 centuries, albeit for the benefits of non-Bharatiya groups.

INC is fighting its existential fight in 2014 for it needs a comfortable space to facilitate transfer of power within the family and current coalition politics is not allowing it. Assuming everything else being equal, RG Jr should be able to lead INC as efficient as SG has been doing, yet there is so much hesitation. There is a perception that 2009 was won due to MMS and not SG. Perhaps that is the reason why MMS is still at the helm. The electoral ground for 2014 is being prepared (by INC) without any involvement by MMS. My gut feel is that if INC/UPA comes to power in 2014, they will safely assume it is family's victory and facilitate RG's coronation.

In order to achieve they are making very cleaver moves. If you take all the policy decisions in the past couple of years, you will see a clear grouping of certain vote-banks which are traditional benefactors of INC. This includes the extremes of social spectrum. The middle class, secularly educated it is, is being emotionally blackmailed to become uninterested in alternative vision for India.

The current manufactured economic crisis in India is part of this plan. They are hurting the players who are opposing them, while creating safe havens for their support groups using NREGA and FSB type bills.

IndraSakti is just the name BRFites gave this phenomenon/strategy, so we all can associate and understand the dynamics associated.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2013 20:46

kapildave, Good post. Be yourself is the best you can do and show the way.

RamaY, Some of us see an internal battle in INC between the "feudals+criminals" and the anti-Establishments who want to capture sarkar through laws and bills being enacted to tie up the just and unjust.

BTW first types are in BJP also.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Aug 2013 20:55

ramana wrote:BTW first types are in BJP also.

True! One of the dimensions of this election is the battle between warring brothers, both being children of same system with different visions for the nation; India Vs Bharat.

That is why, IMHO, a section of BJP is trying to make this election a presidential style (in the absence of formal structure in place) while another section wants to continue the Westminster system.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2013 21:04

niran wrote:Loh Purush has been promised Rashtrapati Bhavan and if all goes to plan for 2 terms
Gadkurry a plump Govnership somewhere pradesh as per the fly on wall
as per cockroaches under the rug, you know who, was heard screaming ordering a gentleman mostly seen in mundu
to do something or else being labled a kangrezi would be more tabooer than the taboo of "Nazi"meanwhile INR crossed 68 and remained there this was supposedly the reason of the above screams
what this means is that between November 2013 and March 2014 GOI will have to pay back her debt of around 136 billion dollah,
if INR stays 60+ for another 2 months GOI will have to default just the way Argentina defaulted last century
that would be creamy curry subject to take to the electors(depending on who is serving the curry of course)

and no, tis not the time to emigrate-shemigrate, tis time to amour up chariot up and beat them adharmics back.

SG admonishing AKA or PC? Or both?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Aug 2013 21:11

With D4 again coming out in support of latest Land Acquisition bill of UPA, how many are still in favor of Susai belt hypothesis about LKA?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Aug 2013 21:14

kapilrdave wrote:..tomorrow there will be millions and the day after there will be billions. Afterall, this was also promised by Krishna .

actually, it is today we have billions of ravans... tomorrow, it is an exponential rate at which ravans grow.

i think, krishna in everyone is what will bring the ravan count down... if i/u do my/your part, then the well known krishnas, and global krishnas can be energized.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Aug 2013 21:36

^^^ and that is how we get Kritayug immediately after the Kalyug.