Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Sep 2013 08:54

^^ oldest record for sex offender is 103..

http://www.sorarchives.com/offender/view/304009

anyway OT...

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 01 Sep 2013 09:21

Katare wrote:Tum kab se modrator ho gaye sarkaar? ho mammooli, kyon phir jata rahe ho adhikaar?

Tu shayar to nahi par e sagari, ye to bata tu kab se modratory ho gaya?

Nice one

All the paisa talk was getting too much so used bredator's advice to stop it onlee, moi have no bredator dreams sarkaar

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 01 Sep 2013 13:08

Source: http://www.lensonnews.com/lonspecial/1/ ... -poll.html

Junior Vikatan, the mass circulation Tamil magazine which carried out and published this public opinion survey with a sample of 4490 respondents spread across the state.

This may seem incongruous in a state in which the ‘national party’ BJP has negligible presence and zero representation in the state assembly and the national Parliament, and not much hope of improving this position; but the result is consistent with many national level surveys which show Narendra Modi’s personal popularity running far ahead of his party’s electoral reach across the country.

Asked whether they would vote for the Congress-led UPA alliance in the next Lok Sabha poll, 47 per cent of the respondents give a clear and resounding ‘No’ in reply; only 14 per cent say ’Yes’ ; and 39 per cent are yet undecided.

As far as Tamil Nadu is concerned, the party may not be able to make much headway in terms of winning any Lok Sabha seats this time (unless it gets into a pre-poll alliance with the AIADMK or the DMDK), but if it can put up credible candidates and if Narendra Modi campaigns in key urban centres, it can definitely build up a sizeable vote share that can potentially be converted into seats the next time it fights as part of an alliance.

K. Balakrishnan is Editor, LensOnNews and was formerly Research Editor, The Times of India.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 01 Sep 2013 13:13

^^ I would like to know who the 6.5% are who think MMS has been a "very good" PM.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Sep 2013 13:14

That's why i said earlier it should be Mission 372 not 272. The target should be set much higher considering the way common ppl feel about NM in all parts. There is a possibility no one is reading this wave correctly..it may be much more massive than previously thought.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 01 Sep 2013 13:29

Interesting analysis of INR devaluation previous to LS elections of the past 3 decades with graphs et. al.

http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/08/hawala-logic/

Explains, at least in part the devaluing of the Indian currency that's happening.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Sep 2013 13:40

Two devastating columns from the pioneer. Posting kanchan da's column in full as it may not be archived.

WHICH OTHER DEMOCRACY HAS A DOORMAT FOR A PM?

Manmohan Singh made a pathetic spectacle of himself in Parliament while defending his abysmal failure to halt India’s economic decline. Feckless people like him blame others; they lack the courage to own up and step down

Cornered, bruised and battered, the Prime Minister decided to do an angry old man act in Rajya Sabha on Friday while reading out a banal statement on the ruinous state of the Indian economy. He need not have bothered with reading it out; it may well have been taken as read. India was looking forward to more than a Press Information Bureau handout and the fact that the Prime Minister failed to rise to the occasion is as much a reflection of his towering incompetence as further proof, if at all that is needed, of the huge crisis of leadership that the country faces in these troubled times.

We shall return to what Manmohan Singh said, and did not say, in a while. Before that it would be in order to comment on his mock heroic anger which has so enthused Congress stooges in media, one of whom, an over-rated anchor-turned-editor-in-chief at a media house which has just sacked hundreds of its staff on account of the looming economic crisis, couldn’t stop blabbering and gushing over what he described as the Prime Minister ‘striking back’ at the Opposition. Like much of what he says and writes, this too is an exaggeration whose purpose would be lost on the naïve and the ill-informed.

The perceived ‘anger’ of the Prime Minister was not the rage of a wronged man or a slandered politician, it was the impotent rage of a feckless person who, having offered to serve as the doormat of his boss, can’t figure out why nobody holds him in high esteem. Had Manmohan Singh been half the person he would like others to believe he is, he would have raged against Congress president and Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty matriarch Sonia Gandhi and stormed out of office. Instead he has chosen to not only supinely do her bidding that has fetched rack and ruin to the national economy but also demean the office he holds, bringing disrepute to South Block like no other Prime Minister has ever done, not even Chandra Shekhar during the few months he held that post.

A Prime Minister so denuded of honour, integrity and esteem can’t really expect his party colleagues, leave alone those in the Opposition, to treat him with anything except contempt as they do. It is only natural that the Opposition, barring those individuals who are given to supping with Sonia Gandhi in private while denouncing the Congress in public, should treat Manmohan Singh as beneath contempt. To pretend otherwise, as Manmohan Singh does, is to live in denial. He is welcome to do so, but he should not expect respect — that’s an unfair expectation.

As for his ersatz anguish over being called a ‘chor’ — as some MPs are believed to have done while remonstrating against the limitless corruption under his tutelage — he need not play Little Red Riding Hood; much worse has been said by his party and his boss about the Opposition and its leaders. Surely Manmohan Singh has not forgotten Sonia Gandhi’s vicious attack on Atal Bihari Vajpayee in bazaar Hindi spoken in guttural Italian accent. Or her spiteful description of Narendra Modi as “Maut ka Saudagar”. In which democracy does this happen?

Leader of Opposition in the Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley did not allow despise and loathing to get better of his sense of decency and decorum or else in his sharp repartee he would have gone beyond reminding Manmohan Singh that in no other democracy does a Prime Minister win a confidence vote by buying MPs. But neither decency nor decorum need restrain us from asking Manmohan Singh in which other democracy does a Prime Minister hold office without winning a direct election? In which other democracy does a Prime Minister hold himself unaccountable for the sins of omission and commission committed in his watch? In which other democracy does a Prime Minister preside over scam after scam, scandal after scandal without so much as bothering to even offer to resign? In which other democracy does a Prime Minister shield a Railways Minister hawking top jobs to the highest bidder? In which other democracy does a Prime Minister ask his Law Minister to fix the report of investigators looking into a massive scam? In which other democracy does a Prime Minister willingly mislead Parliament on crucial foreign policy issues that impinge on national security? In which other democracy has a Prime Minister been repeatedly found to be telling less than the truth? In which other democracy does a Prime Minister slyly blame the Opposition for the swindle-and-loot, tax-and-splurge, steal-and-scoot Government he heads?

It is laughable that Manmohan Singh wants the people of India to believe that the Opposition questioning him and his Ministers on dubious deals and stalling Parliament to expose the crimes of the Congress and his amazing silence have led to loss of investor confidence at home and abroad. That’s undiluted bunk. Investors have not lost confidence in India — the country and the people are the same as they were before the waning of trust happened — they have lost confidence in the UPA Government, the Congress which leads this Government, and the Prime Minister who heads the Government.

Surely Manmohan Singh knows better than to expect investors to have faith in a Government whose leading lights are constantly looking for opportunities to feather their own nests? Nor should he expect us to believe that investors are not deterred by his Government’s wasteful ways. The Prime Minister conveniently forgets that imposing retrospective taxes on corporates was not the doing of the Opposition. If licences have been cancelled by the Supreme Court, causing telecom investors to shy away from India, it is not because the Opposition stalled Parliament on the Great 2G Spectrum Robbery, it is because Manmohan Singh did nothing to stop the robbery that took place with his full knowledge. If big ticket reforms have languished, it is not on account of the Opposition but due to the pusillanimity of the Prime Minister. We could either accept these facts or blame the crisis in Syria for our woes.

Meanwhile, the latest financial figures came out last evening, delayed by several hours so that Manmohan Singh could make a last ditch effort to sell the fiction that not all is lost and he shall bravely soldier on to resuscitate a sputtering economy. Growth rate is down to 4.4 per cent, exports are down on a year-to-year basis and food inflation remains frighteningly high. Worse, jobs are disappearing across sectors at an alarming rate. And here we have our Prime Minister blaming everybody except the culprits responsible for this criminal destruction of the economy. That’s understandable, though not condonable, since he is primarily to blame for this wanton destruction. No punishment would be sufficient for him.

Shubham · Post by **Shubham** » 01 Sep 2013 14:09

Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has reportedly expressed his displeasure with some BJP leaders allegedly shielding self-styled godman Asaram Bapu who has been accused of sexually assaulting a minor and then defying law and threatening and insulting the victim and her family. Some BJP leaders from Madhya Pradesh have been backing the 72-year-old Asaram Bapu, saying he has been a target of the Congress's conspiracy and the latter, encouraged by this, also accused the Gandhis.

http://news.oneindia.in/feature/2013/bj ... 95070.html

NaMo is trying too hard to appear more secular that the others, atleast for the sake of upcoming Elections. This is precisely the reason of his diktat against supporting asaram bapu and I don't think he will put up any opposition to any idea that can be used by congress to paint him pro-Hindu (like the riches of temple case)

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Sep 2013 14:39

What if after Namo publicly goes to town supporting Asaram, Congressis bring out some clinching evidence which has the capacity to trap Asaram totally ? .. Its not that congress has completely revealed its hand in this ploy..

Anyway one doesn't expose a king to a pawns game. Let the pawns on BJP side deal with it. If the gambit fails at least the King has escaped unscathed. Rest all about Modi "reportedly expressing displeasure" and all that is hot air generated by paid media in tow aimed at turning Asaram's supporters away from Bhajapa

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 01 Sep 2013 14:43

^^ I suppose the case between NaMo and Asaram bapu goes before even 2012 Guj assembly elections. So it's not a new "secular" stand that Namo has taken.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 01 Sep 2013 14:54

Lilo wrote:What if after Namo publicly goes to town supporting Asaram, Congressis bring out some clinching evidence which has the capacity to trap Asaram totally ? .. Its not that congress has completely revealed its hand in this ploy..

Anyway one doesn't expose a king to a pawns game. Let the pawns on BJP side deal with it. If the gambit fails at least the King has escaped unscathed. Rest all about Modi "reportedly expressing displeasure" and all that is hot air generated by paid media in tow aimed at turning Asaram's supporters away from Bhajapa

Asaram is a side show. Lets not worry about him. His supporters ( numerous my many accounts) are still standing by him. Painting all HIndu Godmen as lecherous is going to backfire. What does Congress gain by this? Nothing. All the secular votes are in the kitty of basapa, sapa, mim et al. Then what does Asaram have? He is lOVEpurush's spiritual guru. Is Lovepurush using Asaram to draw out anti-modi people?

niran · Post by **niran** » 01 Sep 2013 15:02

Shubham wrote:

NaMo is trying too hard to appear more secular that the others, atleast for the sake of upcoming Elections. This is precisely the reason of his diktat against supporting asaram bapu and I don't think he will put up any opposition to any idea that can be used by congress to paint him pro-Hindu (like the riches of temple case)

there is an old saying "know thy history"
asaram and NaMo have had been in a tiff before
to the point of asaram threatening with dire heavenly consequences if NaMo did not stop his polis raids on ashrams in Gujarat when that did not happen asaram ran to some kangrez sikular neta who not onrre
lost his own seat in vidhan sabha election but also his loksabha by election
this neta at least caused the ED team to find no evidence and asaram shifted base to Bhopal.
NaMo does not hesitate in performing sashtang dandvat to a sadhu like Morari Bapu but will associate with iffy characters like asaram bapu.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Sep 2013 16:20

I don't know why Modi's stand against asaram is viewed from a communalism/secularism perspective.. Even a cursory google search reveals that Asaram is a bona fide scum..he has been charged with murder,rape,extortion and money laundering from time to time ,with charges dating back decades..

his political patrons have perhaps sought his famed money laundering service in the past..it was an own goal of the bjp politicians to defend asaram in public..

Not every man who claims to be a godmen is good.. the god business has flourished world over for centuries..

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Sep 2013 16:40

an India today article dated 2008 ..This was when 2 kids were murdered in his ashram...

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/Clou ... 11915.html

His empire includes hundreds of acres of land in prime locations in India's major cities, a flourishing business of over two dozen products that includes a clutch of ayurvedic medicines, incense sticks, soaps and shampoos besides spiritual magazines that net crores of rupees for him annually.
Bapu controls his country-wide empire through 400-odd trusts, of which two main ones-Sant Shri Asaramji Ashram Trust and Sant Shri Asaramji Mahila Utthan Trust- are based in Ahmedabad

Fear and violence have been Bapu's hallmark, as the attack on reporters and others displayed. His diktat is enforced by his sadhaks (disciples), some of whom have also borne the brunt of his ire when they dared speak against some questionable activities in the ashram. They were terrorised and beaten up by their own fellowmen.

all are hallmarks of an elaborate money laundering scheme..not much unlike what mafia and mobsters ran over the years..

another blog that has been charging asaram...this one too dates back in 2008..

http://asarambapurapist.wordpress.com/

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Sep 2013 16:42

Shubham wrote: NaMo is trying too hard to appear more secular that the others, atleast for the sake of upcoming Elections. This is precisely the reason of his diktat against supporting asaram bapu and I don't think he will put up any opposition to any idea that can be used by congress to paint him pro-Hindu (like the riches of temple case)

NaMo was inches close about few year ago to arrest this fellow. This has nothing to do with assault on BJP, Hinduism or anything like that.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 01 Sep 2013 17:09

CHINA imports abount 1.7T of goods and export about 2T of goods. See wiki. So net export is about 250b. So on net sales of 2T they make 250b which is about 10%. Volume business i would say thriving on efficiency and not innovation.

Adrija · Post by **Adrija** » 01 Sep 2013 17:11

Folks, diverting a bit from the Asaram bapu IED to more about "contrasting ideas of India", I have been thinking of the FSB and the BJP's- and specifically NaMo's response to it. I understand the political compulsions which make them unable to oppose it cleanly, but the whole FSB idea just so completely symptomatic of the Congress's worldview, that I wish that the BJP had used this to mount a ferocious counter-attack Sonia amma's vision vs theirs

The Congress did not take any meaningful steps to increase literacy for as long as they could- till the NDA started Sarv Siksha Abhiyan. They kept India on a low growth path and made us all believe that 3-4% was the best "Hindus" could aspire to, hence the "Hindu rate of growth", till ironically enough a "Hindu" government proved otherwise. In their UPA avatar they tried to best to put the genie back in the bottle and go back to the handout culture with NREGA and now FSB..........it is because they implicitly but very clearly understand that their only route to power is to keep Indians poor and dependent, for a dependent and incapable person does not have any self-respect, and one who does not have self-respect has no awareness of a better life, and pride in his heritage and culture...........which perfectly matches the Congress' worldview

The BJP has demonstrated both in its NDA avatar as well as in the states it rules in that it would rather give a person a job than a meal, and foster skills and opportunities rather than foster dependency. There is nothing as demeaning to a society's sense of self-worth as a culture of dependency and being ruled over by corrupt and rapacious "mai-baaps"....the FSB is a pernicious continuation of this very worldview. Hopefully, after having become aware of the potential of this country before it was crushed by the UPA, the people would have understood what the FSB represents in reality rather than be swayed by it.........

Ah well, if wishes were horses.....

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Sep 2013 17:24

All one has to do is google between 2000 and 2008, there are numerous incidents related to the individual and the ashram. If it is INC targeting him it has been going on for years. It is heartening to realize Modi is standing for the right sadhu sants and not for the wrong ones. Such sadhus and gurus bring disgrace to their religions. If the Court finds the allegations true, he should be punished quickly. BJP should not be supporting such sadhus. Alas, such support will be used by the media to hound BJP.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Sep 2013 17:44

harbans wrote:That's why i said earlier it should be Mission 372 not 272. The target should be set much higher considering the way common ppl feel about NM in all parts. There is a possibility no one is reading this wave correctly..it may be much more massive than previously thought.

+1.

HS garu & milindc garu - pls note.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 01 Sep 2013 18:24

Shubham wrote:
Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has reportedly expressed his displeasure with some BJP leaders allegedly shielding self-styled godman Asaram Bapu who has been accused of sexually assaulting a minor and then defying law and threatening and insulting the victim and her family. Some BJP leaders from Madhya Pradesh have been backing the 72-year-old Asaram Bapu, saying he has been a target of the Congress's conspiracy and the latter, encouraged by this, also accused the Gandhis.

http://news.oneindia.in/feature/2013/bj ... 95070.html

NaMo is trying too hard to appear more secular that the others, atleast for the sake of upcoming Elections. This is precisely the reason of his diktat against supporting asaram bapu and I don't think he will put up any opposition to any idea that can be used by congress to paint him pro-Hindu (like the riches of temple case)

NM has taken a pragmatic approach and rightly so.
Any defence of rape accused would result the focus on the defenders of the rape accused, ie: BJP.
If you see for the last couple of days, there is no portrayal of BJP/Hindutva as rape defenders

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Sep 2013 18:48

NaMo is trying too hard to appear more secular that the others, atleast for the sake of upcoming Elections. This is precisely the reason of his diktat against supporting asaram bapu and I don't think he will put up any opposition to any idea that can be used by congress to paint him pro-Hindu (like the riches of temple case)

Irrespective of Asarams' guilt in this matter, NM has always viewed Asaram with suspicion as Niran and others have rightly pointed out. As far as 'secular' goes, if that means not communal..NM is the least communal of all in the BJP. I have been saying this ever since i joined this forum. A lot of BJP insiders know this too. Yet he is very firmly grounded in the ethos of this land, in Vivekanand. He has no vested material interests that make him corruptible like most of the rest of the gang. Anyways here's a face off 2008 Diggy and NM..see the way NM carries himself and puts Diggy in his place..

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 01 Sep 2013 19:05

M Joshi wrote:Interesting analysis of INR devaluation previous to LS elections of the past 3 decades with graphs et. al.

http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/08/hawala-logic/

Explains, at least in part the devaluing of the Indian currency that's happening.

Forgive my ignorance, but how would bringing back black money devalue the rupee? That would cause it to appreciate as the rupee would be in demand. I think its more to do with growth, or the lack of it - corruption and inflation

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 01 Sep 2013 19:14

Shonu wrote:
M Joshi wrote:Interesting analysis of INR devaluation previous to LS elections of the past 3 decades with graphs et. al.

http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/08/hawala-logic/

Explains, at least in part the devaluing of the Indian currency that's happening.
Forgive my ignorance, but how would bringing back black money devalue the rupee? That would cause it to appreciate as the rupee would be in demand. I think its more to do with growth, or the lack of it - corruption and inflation

Lets say a political party or individual funnels money out of the country 10 years ago. The money is parked in several offshore accounts. In preparation for the election expenditure, they come to an arrangement with people in the country - give me 100 crores of your black money locally and i will transfer an equivalent sum in dollars to a swiss/bvi/mauritius account. There are enough people here who will agree to that kind of deal. Local money supply of indian rupees would increase. Bringing down the value of the rupee. Thats exactly the explanation Ranganathan is illustrating.

Now this should be a reversible process after the elections logically. However the domino effect it has on everything else makes it near impossible.

Read the "scorched earth" article by Swapan Dasgupta. The consequential benefit for the CONgis is that they would leave such a messed up economy for the next administration. And mango-admi would run out of patience, thus falling for propaganda of the CONgis then. Again, may i urge you to read that brilliant article; the link is provided in this very thread, i believe.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 01 Sep 2013 19:28

Contrary to earlier speculation Gen VK Singh not planning to contest elections for the BJP. Clicky

"There is a change required in the country and I don't mind going to any forum, any platform to tell people that we need to unite to bring about a change which will make the country better. But I am not joining the BJP nor am I contesting on their ticket," he said.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Sep 2013 19:36

Incredible though this may sound, the entire machinery of the Congress party is currently geared to finding ways of keeping Modi out of national politics. This endeavour has the complicit support of senior BJP leaders and this is why you now so often hear the Congress party's spokesmen publicly praise Mr Advani as a 'moderate' when till just the other day he was considered the man responsible for demolishing the Babri Masjid. The truth is that everyone, perhaps even Mr Advani himself, knows that a BJP campaign led yet again by him will almost certainly keep this party in opposition for another five years. But, at least this would prevent Narendra Modi from smashing down the gates of Lutyens's Delhi.

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Something big is happening
There is panic

He represents an India that has so far been carefully kept outside the closed doors of the Lutyens's Delhi club. A rough, angry, passionate new India that does not recognise private clubs or their rules and that threatens to tear down the walls that conceal the colonised elite, bred by the British Raj, that continues to control all the levers of political power in India.

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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Sep 2013 19:46

Not everyone who reaches Parliament or high levels of political power has automatic access to the club. You have to come from an important political family and you have to have attended the right kind of English-medium school. The heirs of important political leaders have easy access for these reasons. Not every bureaucrat has access but those of the right class are life members. High-flying hacks are always welcome and quickly learn the rules. You have to express political opinions that are 'secular' and 'liberal' and you have to make sure that you do not say bad things about the Dynasty. This is considered especially bad form. This is why, despite the obviously deleterious effects of dynastic democracy, you see few stories on the subject in the media.

Once you become a member of the club you find yourself invited on almost a daily basis to exclusive dinner parties in grand houses and fine hotels. At these events you will see politicians of different parties greet each other like old school friends, despite what they may have said to each other publicly that day in Parliament. And it is at these events that you will see famous media personalities included in conversations that are always 'off the record'. If you break the rules, as I love to, then you risk being abused on national television by Gandhi family devotees like the unpleasantly loudmouthed Mani Shankar Aiyar.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/an-ou ... /1156563/2

I wonder if the revulsion at Modi has to do with their very genuine fears that the whole corruption, nepotism, graft, bribery and "plum" position (with expensive perks) gravy train is about to be derailed permanently by a politician who won't play that game? What could be worse for the wheeler/dealer insiders of Lutyens Delhi (and this includes the likes of journalists like Barkha Dutt) than for the current regime to be replaced by a clean administration which cannot be milked for corruption, bribery and/or expensive government perks?

member_21074 · Post by **member_21074** » 01 Sep 2013 20:14

Shonu wrote:
M Joshi wrote:Interesting analysis of INR devaluation previous to LS elections of the past 3 decades with graphs et. al.

http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/08/hawala-logic/

Explains, at least in part the devaluing of the Indian currency that's happening.
Forgive my ignorance, but how would bringing back black money devalue the rupee? That would cause it to appreciate as the rupee would be in demand. I think its more to do with growth, or the lack of it - corruption and inflation

Almost all of this money is pumped in through hawala route, so no official trace of incoming dollar but increase in rupee supply. The second route is mauritius, which has a no-tax treaty with india, which effectively write off incoming dollar investment as loss.

Since the depreciation is/was always before election, it is an easy link. Moreover, since it was always when congress was in power.. so it's an easy guess that who is benefitting.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 01 Sep 2013 22:04

rajithn wrote: Read the "scorched earth" article by Swapan Dasgupta. The consequential benefit for the CONgis is that they would leave such a messed up economy for the next administration. And mango-admi would run out of patience, thus falling for propaganda of the CONgis then. Again, may i urge you to read that brilliant article; the link is provided in this very thread, i believe.

What happens if the next administration goes straight after the Congis, seizing and attaching their assets, and trying them fast and sentencing them? I think this was the major weakness of the BJP - they never went after the power brokers, and shattered them. This is what Modi will have to do.

As an aside, I read somewhere that Indians have about 1.6 trillion (this was in 2006 - now, I am sure it has doubled) stashed away in Swiss banks. If the BJP attaches just 2.5% of the illegal money and manages to acquire it back (which would be about 40 billion). Can any Swiss bank simply repatriate such huge sums at the drop of a hat? What would be the knock on effects on the European economy? If the BJP manages something like 10%, I suspect the Swiss economy will be toast .......

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Sep 2013 22:44

Acharya hi, from what I heard indirectly, the chattering mobs do think of themselves as too high to actually do anything other than rulers. For example, the chattering mobs don't like to be called as mobs or even 'people', 'janataa', etc - in general. The education seems to wire the mobs that way. Modi made the executive in the state to work for people, at national level the would realize their status as no more than executive working for people,for national interest, etc. The chattering would have to give way to actual work and Narendra Modi a chaiwalla is not something the chattering classes would know how to interact with. In short, the chattering mobs are too fat to work under merit rewarding system or seem to care even. The totally worthless of the chattering mobs would be having nightmares.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Sep 2013 23:09

vishvak wrote:Acharya hi, from what I heard indirectly, the chattering mobs do think of themselves as too high to actually do anything other than rulers. For example, the chattering mobs don't like to be called as mobs or even 'people', 'janataa', etc - in general. The education seems to wire the mobs that way. Modi made the executive in the state to work for people, at national level the would realize their status as no more than executive working for people,for national interest, etc. The chattering would have to give way to actual work and Narendra Modi a chaiwalla is not something the chattering classes would know how to interact with. In short, the chattering mobs are too fat to work under merit rewarding system or seem to care even. The totally worthless of the chattering mobs would be having nightmares.

Good point.

Hence we need to 'promote' the chattering class to presidents and diplomats and figurehead titles
The actual governance of the central policies and regulation for a dynamic economy to be led by leaders
of the people elected and who have shown that they have done it before.

Indian population cannot be subject to misery due to a small private group in the top.

There is a generation change going on right now.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Sep 2013 23:17

Shonu wrote:^^ I would like to know who the 6.5% are who think MMS has been a "very good" PM.

they are russian and turkish citizens, if you get what I mean.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 01 Sep 2013 23:54

nageshks wrote:
rajithn wrote: Read the "scorched earth" article by Swapan Dasgupta. The consequential benefit for the CONgis is that they would leave such a messed up economy for the next administration. And mango-admi would run out of patience, thus falling for propaganda of the CONgis then. Again, may i urge you to read that brilliant article; the link is provided in this very thread, i believe.
What happens if the next administration goes straight after the Congis, seizing and attaching their assets, and trying them fast and sentencing them? I think this was the major weakness of the BJP - they never went after the power brokers, and shattered them. This is what Modi will have to do.

As an aside, I read somewhere that Indians have about 1.6 trillion (this was in 2006 - now, I am sure it has doubled) stashed away in Swiss banks. If the BJP attaches just 2.5% of the illegal money and manages to acquire it back (which would be about 40 billion). Can any Swiss bank simply repatriate such huge sums at the drop of a hat? What would be the knock on effects on the European economy? If the BJP manages something like 10%, I suspect the Swiss economy will be toast .......

Just the threat of having CBI et al working on the German Govt offer of releasing the names and filing cases in Germany and India will force a lot of people to come and start negotiations with the Income tax authorities. Mind you just the threat, but only a public threat. The disruption to 'business' would be a grave difficulty.

But even this much will require a NaMo to execute it.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 02 Sep 2013 00:54

ravi_g wrote:

Just the threat of having CBI et al working on the German Govt offer of releasing the names and filing cases in Germany and India will force a lot of people to come and start negotiations with the Income tax authorities. Mind you just the threat, but only a public threat. The disruption to 'business' would be a grave difficulty.

But even this much will require a NaMo to execute it.

1. Lets hope NM gets around to doing it.
2. There are wheels within wheels here. The U.S tigheting the screws on tax havens will be different from India doing so. It doesnt necessarily have to fetch the same result.

NM will have his work cut out for him in many fronts. Economy, Foriegn policy etc etc.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Sep 2013 01:31

PM: "Have you heard of any country where MPs shout and walk to the well of the House and say prime minister chor hai (the PM is a thief)? Have you ever heard of any parliamentary democracy where opposition does not allow the prime minister to introduce his ministers?"

AJ: "Have you heard of any parliamentary democracy where the prime minister buys vote in a trust vote?" ... "You have lost the confidence of both domestic and global investors in the past few years because of policy paralysis at the Centre. The whole world was warning us," "The government talks about consensus and democratic norms only when it is in distress,"

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... trust-vote

time modi spills out his actions plans.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 02 Sep 2013 04:01

Kakkaji wrote:One thing I fail to understand is how can a 72 year old conduct a sexual assault on a 17 year old?

Not sure if you are being serious but it is not uncommon for men in their 70s to be able to perform in that department. Even men in their 90s have been known to father children naturally.

And sexual assaults can take place in many different forms so using this man's age as a defence is ridiculous.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 02 Sep 2013 04:36

And anybody with yogic power does not have to depend on Pfizer product
They have self control err ok no control

Yes age as nothing to do with it
Early 19 th century men used to we'd even at the age of 60s because women mortality age was around 40s
Take the case of Parvathis in Devdas story married to a 70s zamindar

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Sep 2013 04:52

Maybe there was a mis-perception about the Bapu guy and potential impact on Namo/BJP.

IIRC Mr Bapu had made some asinine comments after the Delhi Gang Rape case which didn't endear him to anyone.
Now he is left to stew in his own mess.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Sep 2013 05:23

Jai Jawan - India's Pride make your voices heard

Posted by : India272 Editor | Category : Blog, Mission 272+ for BJP

On 15th September 2013, Narendra Modi ji will address ex-servicemen in Rewari, Haryana. The state of Haryana has the distinction of producing a large number of Armed Forces Personnel.

A dedicated Group has been created for ex-servicemen on the India272+ Volunteer Platform. If you know any ex-servicemen, please request them to join this Group so that we can learn from their insights.

An Open forum has also been created specially for the 15th September Ex-Servicemen Rally in Rewari. Please share your thoughts and ideas on any of the issues related to ex-servicemen here.

Please note you need to be a Registered Volunteer to be able to provide inputs through the Open Forum that has been specially created for the 15th September rally. If you have not already registered please do so here.

Deliberate crowd-sourcing on in full swing. Appeal to web-savvy volunteers to register and contribute with ideas is also easily visible.

Make your voice heard in Jaipur Rally (namo in Jaipur, sept 10)

On 10th September 2013, Narendra Modi ji will visit Jaipur, Rajasthan to address Sankalp Sammelan. Former Rajasthan CM Smt. Vasundhara Raje will also be present there.

Can we share ideas and issues concerning Rajasthan?

Facts about Rajasthan’s development from 2003-2008 and the subsequent drop in the progress journey are welcome. Furthermore, what are the points you think Modi ji should raise in his speech in Jaipur?

Hopefully namo speaks in he above rally as the BJP's PM candidate and not merely as the campain committee chief only...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Sep 2013 06:06

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/let-s ... /1162932/0

After the damage done by this one, we must hope that it will be a government with a happier economic vision. But since our leading opposition party has supported two of the most retrogressive laws ever made, the BJP does not deserve this chance. Narendra Modi is the only political leader, since Jawaharlal Nehru, who has articulated an economic vision that is new and definitely not socialist but how can he implement it with the Congress party's B team as his A team? He needs to ask himself this question.

There were ways to oppose both the very flawed new laws that Sonia and Rahul have taken proud credit for. Why did the BJP not try and find them? Why did they not point out that if we spent the Rs 125,000 crore we will be spending by next year on food security on sanitation, better school meals and rural health care, we would end malnutrition and create desperately needed public services? Why did they not oppose the land Bill on the grounds that it would make it impossible to build the modern infrastructure without which India cannot move forward? These are questions that will be asked over and over again in the years to come. Meanwhile, we must reconcile ourselves to the sad reality that Sonia Gandhi's socialism has ensured that India becomes the sick man of South Asia.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 02 Sep 2013 06:51

1. Dont all these Godmen teach that you reap what you sow, so why go crying now and doubt the character of accuser.
Just face the challange like a enlightened soul.

2. Why should NaMo be defending anyone accused of Rape.Like the Girl in Delhi and Press photographer in Mumbai, The benefit of doubt should always goto the Girl. Anyways IPC somehow mysteriously works in favor of Moneyed and Powerful so Asaram ji is safe.