Tracking Errors in Defence reporting

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 22 Apr 2012 18:58

They have started using Lahori logic. Another example.

DRDO continues to mislead. On April 4, it claimed it had achieved a major milestone on an "indigenous" programme to develop a sophisticated radar to monitor the Indian airspace. The aircraft on which the radar is mounted-a modified Embraer EMB 1451-is imported from Brazil. drdo had to resort to the Embraer aircraft because its own efforts at producing an indigenous carrier had ended in disaster. Project Guardian Airawat was stalled in 1999 when its HS-748 turboprop aircraft crashed, killing eight crew members-engineers, scientists and Indian Air Force (IAF) officers-on board.

Somehow development of radar is equated with the development of deployment platform. By this logic Phalcon AEW&C is not an Israeli product; after all Israeli Air Force's Phalcon system is mounted on Boeing 707 aircraft and ours on Russian plane. God only knows why GoI paid the Israeli.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 22 Apr 2012 20:23

The farticle looks silly in light of the recetn Agni 5 success

so missiles etc not available to us to buy - DRDO can build and the armed forces can accept

but anything available - DRDO cannot seem todo much

stupid article from a stupid booby magazine

Mihir · Post by **Mihir** » 23 Apr 2012 02:07

Austin wrote:If i am not wrong and we had discussed it on other boards , Germans were initial employed as consultants for Arjun and hence the design owes many similarities with Leo 2AV design , Kunal who took pictures of Arjun internal turret space during Defexpo this year mentioned that the internal ammo lay out is similar to Leo.

Absolutely! It is the similar to the French being employed as consultants for the LCA, because of which it shares many similarities with the Mirage: Forward facing missiles, rear-facing engine, pilot located well forward of the centre of gravity, tricycle undercarriage, etc.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Apr 2012 18:13

cross post

sameer_shelavale wrote:IndiaToday DDM reports Naval version of LCA Tejas takes off successfully
Earlier, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) had successfully test fired Agni-V on April 19 and launched Risat-1 exactly a week later.

I saw a headline on the net from India Today earlier today that read "Radar-1 satellite launched". India Today is growing from depth to depth in this field.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 29 Apr 2012 15:31

Cross posting from the Agni 5 Dhaga:

Let me try to dissect the articles though, starting with Missiles, missiles everywhere

When we tested nuclear weapons in 1998, the government, the media, and the Indian public were spectacularly undignified. A lot of vulgar and foolish things happened in the ensuing months - intemperate statements by our leaders, media coverage that was adulatory and clownish, and public behaviour that was childish (handing out sweets in the streets).

Ok, so what he wanted was Indians to keep stiff upper lips and say nothing about it. Could be his point of view and I will live with it. However, this is where the spin starts:

Predictably, the Pakistanis punctured our bubble. They tested immediately and then attacked in Kargil to show that nuclear weapons did not scare them.

The small matter that our tests were basically to force the Pakis to show their hand and check mate the 3.5 friends is long lost on a guy who claims to be a political anal-yst. I can only conclude that either he is dumb, in which case he should not be writing at all or he is a Jai Chand. To top of it all, he makes an equal equal with this:

Pakistan's public reactions were as juvenile as ours, if not more so, which shows that South Asians are cut from the same cloth.

The small matter that Pakis have only been going down hill and the 3.5 friends cannot help the Pakis without having repercussions on their own due to India forcing them to show their hand is simply lost on this Anal-yst....
Then comes this:

With India's Agni V missile test two weeks ago and Pakistan's Hatf IV Shaheen-1A test, we have had a replay of 1998. Missiles are not as big a deal as nuclear weapons, so our leaders were more restrained this time round. The media, though, was pretty much as bad as before, thinking it appropriate to talk a lot of nonsense about India's ability to project power (to Europe, amongst other destinations). Unlike 1998, the public did not rush out into the streets to party, which was a relief; instead, the blogosphere, the new public square, lit up with commentary, most of which would shame a nine-year-old.

So our friend is feeling ashamed about what people write on the Blog. Talk about being Holier than Thou.....
Now comes some classic drivel:

That it managed to produce a missile which can carry a nuclear warhead 5,000 km is noteworthy but hardly the stuff of national celebration. After all, it took nearly 30 years to produce a missile of that range.

So in one sentence, he is wiping out all the scientific and technical achievements. The smaller matter of developing technological capabilities step by step which no body would share and those who have had it since last 50+ years is completely lost on this Anal-yst. Some more drivel:

Any one of a dozen countries today could do it - and in short order. These include Japan and both the Koreas, just in Asia, and surely it would not take Australia very long. Pakistan's latest Shaheen already has a range of 3,000 km, so it is not technologically beyond our next-door neighbour's capabi-lity either. And Iranian missile technology is catching up fast.

So Pakis have mastered re entry technology through painting Chinese missiles, the North Koreans have mastered solid rocket propelled missiles, wow..

This kind of analysis should put any serious analyst to shame, and our friend here is worried about 9 year olds

One tell tale sign of WKK type is when he refuses to call a spade a spade i.e. Paki Missiles as being Chinese/North Korean. The last sentence above tells us where our friend's political thoughts lie.
Then comes the classic self flagellation:

The point is that missiles, as much as nuclear weapons, are old technology. Hopping up and down about them is silly. India's scientists have not particularly distinguished themselves (nor have Indian social scientists). If we look at the number of scientific papers published in leading journals, patents filed, and inventions credited to Indians, our scientists do not rank high. China ranks well ahead, as do Japan and South Korea. Britain, with 60 million people, has had 76 Nobel laureates in science and technology.

So missiles and nukes are old technology indeed! Like I said before, they are really old technologies as missiles and a nuke bomb ultimately are based on Newtonian Physics

The Pakiness of our friend is evident in the next sentence: What has not having patents and scientific papers got to do with a strategic missile?? And what does he mean by "not having distinguished itself?? Getting into d1ck measuring contests(China produces more papers than India, Britain has more Nobel Laureates blah blah) is what certified Pakis (i.e. losers but with Pakiness in them) do... Now for some more drivel:

India has had only one that worked in India (C V Raman, who worked in British and not independent India) and three that worked outside India (Har Gobind Khorana, Subramanyan Chandrashekhar and Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, all in the US). There are probably only two Indian technologies that have international name-recognition - the Jaipur leg prosthetic device and the Nano mini car - which are home-grown.

The fact that so much technology is being developed and used in India is of course not an achievement, we should always seek international attention per this dork

Then more crap on other social/economical problems ...

Why are we so undignified over things like the missile test? The answer most likely is that we have so little to celebrate, with human development indicators lower in key areas than our South Asian neighbours and sub-Saharan Africa. Indians are eating less in calories terms than a decade ago. We have millions of more males than females in our population: the social consequences of this male surplus will be massive. Our education system is in a shambles. Our infrastructure is scarily bad. The only town in India with clean drinking water is Jamshedpur. We have a fiscal crisis looming, stuttering growth, rising prices, stagnating agriculture, caste and religious discrimination, partisan politics to the maximum, and policy paralysis. Governance, particularly at the state-level, where one absurd chief minister replaces another, is so awful that you run out of adjectives.

I think our friend in addition to being a dork, Kandle Kisser and Jai Chand, is seriously depressed.

He is mixing up the test of a strategic missile with all sorts of things.....wow...
And finally, another show of Pakiness:

If India wants to be respected and secure in the long run, it should celebrate clean renewable energy and the eradication of polio far more than the launching of a new missile. That would be worth many sweets in the streets.

Why should we "seek" to be respected by mass murderers and looters (i.e. the present so called First World??)? Since he is talking about polio eradication, he should also have mentioned why we could not meet the targets in the first place... but let truth not come in the way of rhetoric. Such is the quality of Anal-yst in the country, and of course they write for TOI let...

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 29 Apr 2012 15:37

Another cross post from Agni 5 Dhaga:
Now this is what Manoj Joshi has to say in Al Guardian:

Joshi pointed out that the missiles were being developed by the Defence Research Development Organisation without much oversight from policymakers."It's worrying that government scientists can issue press releases and make statements that could have an impact on policy," Joshi said.

According to this dork, DRDO programs gets multi million dollar budget without any oversight, the FM and Raksha Mantri are simply idiots who do paper pushing. Wow. And he says this to a foreign news paper.... another certified Jai Chand

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 29 Apr 2012 15:43

It seems Joshi saheb forgot to update Gora saab about the latest updates/achievements of the program, so he is blaming DRDO for the spectacular progress. What use do people like him have if Bharat enters an orbit? Vestigial organs like him are not needed anymore by Gora saabs/mems.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 29 Apr 2012 15:48

And the last cross post from Agni 5 thread:

$:rotfl: ok, now for the third one: Jai Chand v/s Jai Chand

Dork No 1 baits Dork No 2 by saying something on the lines of Indian scientist, politicians etc were in a celebratory mood after the success of Agni 5 test. to which Dork No replies:

It reminds me of this very chauvinistic hyper-nationalism the kind that was witnessed in Germany and Italy before the war (World War II) and this is a fanaticism of a different kind which really disturbs me

So by test firing a missile and celebrating the scientific success, we become Facists and Nazis

The test of it is usual drivel like

We should not be proud of weapons of mass destruction. It (Agni 5)will prove more ruinous for India without any strategic advantage

this guy is also depressed and has gone completely bonkers must see a loony doctor soon

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 29 Apr 2012 18:21

Manoj Joshi, a security expert and analyst

seems to have missed analysis of world wars as wars for global dominance of imperialism. But that won't sell to al guardian.

anand_sankar · Post by **anand_sankar** » 21 Jul 2012 19:51

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/steal ... home-india

The 4,900-tonne INS Sahyadri is equipped with some of the most advance surface and air-to-air missiles and can carry two helicopters - a mix of Dhruv, Sea King or Kamov - onboard for various missions.

Stupid DDM's this time the PTI!!!

The Dhruv will never see service onboard any IN warship. The fact is more than seven years old now.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Jul 2012 07:23

An Old Report On The ALH Dhruv, and The Limitations Of The Naval Version.

ALH Dhruv: Navy’s Arjun tank?

“Unless the HAL makes a Mach II chopper, which has to have a better and more powerful engine, the Dhruv won’t interest the Navy,”

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 31 Jul 2012 11:40

shiv wrote:
“Unless the HAL makes a Mach II chopper, which has to have a better and more powerful engine, the Dhruv won’t interest the Navy,”

I think it meant Mark 2.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2012 05:47

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=19575
Image Caption: An Apache attack helicopter from Japan's Ground Self-Defense Force fires a missile during an annual military exercise at the Higashi-Fuji firing range in Gotemba.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 12 Sep 2012 22:20

Indo-French satellite Saral to take off on 12-12-12

See our latest satellite launcher. Stop trying to build a base near the equator. All we have to do is to make a sub launched version of the above launcher. We can launch from anywhere...

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Oct 2012 13:31

Now TOI has added Tessy Thomas and Agni Missiles to ISRO, this can't be dumb, it is deliberate to get Pakis and Western Dumbos to confuse ISRO and Indian Missiles.

Isro’s missile woman gets Shastri award

member_23455 · Post by **member_23455** » 08 Oct 2012 12:00

The Femme Fatale of Indian Journalism is at her sloppy best again

http://chhindits.blogspot.in/2012/10/ve ... s-teg.html

passing off Brahmos launched of INS Ranvir as INS Teg...

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 08 Oct 2012 20:15

RajitO wrote:The Femme Fatale of Indian Journalism is at her sloppy best again

http://chhindits.blogspot.in/2012/10/ve ... s-teg.html

passing off Brahmos launched of INS Ranvir as INS Teg...

I too thought so, for a change, her royal highness has accepted it in the comments... Still no change in write-up though.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 24 Dec 2012 22:28

TOILet carried a news about the latest ASTRA BVRAAM test... (third test on dec 23rd).. what caught my eyes in the inline pic...it showed a pic of Prithvi SRBM instead of Astra AAM.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 741989.cms

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 01 Aug 2013 08:49

x-posting from the Indian Army thread
case where the Army itself is reporting itself incorrectly. How could they get so sloppy?

via http://www.aame.in/2013/07/indian-army- ... cture.html

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 03 Aug 2013 23:50

via http://www.aame.in/2013/08/drdo-passes- ... craft.html

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 03 Sep 2013 08:42

what is wrong whoever it is that is wrong?

via http://www.livefistdefence.com/2013/09/ ... m-vin.html

member_23455 · Post by **member_23455** » 11 Sep 2013 22:29

Mods, seriously, I think Ajai Shukla deserves a thread of his own.

...do reflect on this gem from his latest article.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2013/09/a ... onomy.html

Then Israel’s defence industry was allowed to penetrate the Indian market, riding piggyback on the Russian military systems --- tanks, fighters, air defence systems and earlier warships --- that form the bulk of India’s arsenal. Since the Israeli defence industry does not build major weapons platforms, it has penetrated the Indian market by improving the performance and extending the life of outdated Russian systems.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 27 Sep 2013 08:06

is this Made-For-Television War Reporting?

doesn't look like he is wearing a BPJ. No armor plate visible. Looks like a magazine pouch. If it was for providing camouflage, or even if it was a BPJ, then shouldn't the cameraman too have worn one?

abhishekm · Post by **abhishekm** » 15 Oct 2013 21:38

DDMitis continues unchecked:

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ins-s ... 131015.htm

While speaking to reporters, the vice admiral said the ship was ready to fight piracy. "We see deployment of Sunayana in the Gulf of Eden in the near future," he said

What next? Will the Indian Army now deploy to the Garden of Eden?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Oct 2013 22:02

We should have a dedicated thread in specific for these three worthies - Prasun Sengupta, Pravin Sawheny and Manoj Joshi. The amount of rubbish each write, mixed with some googled up half truths is incredible. Been looking through their "work" in recent days and the mind boggles.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Oct 2013 22:55

This thread is perfect for that task.

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 21 Oct 2013 21:29

Ok TOILet just did it again.. Calls officers attending NDC as Young Officers..

Young officers' day at sea to get first-hand experience of naval operations

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Oct 2013 23:21

ramana wrote:This thread is perfect for that task.

Yeah, will do. When one reads stuff by these three worthies, and the amount of FUD they put out...
Sawheny and Joshi are driven by pure bias and ignorance, Sengupta by a planet sized ego. All three make stuff up on the go..

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 22 Oct 2013 20:33

Ok, Sengupta - the usual make up stuff and hope it sticks fellow.

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2013 ... uites.html

Now, guess what he has done here... been tracking BR as usual.. picked up the discussion on LCA EW... and promptly put up posters/brochures to drive eyeballs to his blog. In the process, what he doesn't know.. he fibs.

FIB1.

This suite, however, remains unproven, although it has been flight-tested on an HS-748 Avro flying testbed by the DRDO’s Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) since 2007. To certify this EW suite on the Tejas Mk1 MRCA, at least 40 additional test-flights on a PV-1 flying testbed will be required, which in turn will further delay the Tejas Mk1’s operational flight certification by at least 18 months.

Bunkum... this suite is intended for MK-2 as noted by ADA repeatedly, why would it delay Mk1 certification? As usual Sengupta's make believe BS in order to impress gullible kids who infest his blog.

And then he posts this as a pic of the RWJ -lol!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pc8vOLo5twg/U ... 1+MRCA.jpg

Can't even read what it reads - that it already includes a RWR function.

FIB2.

Making matters further complicated is the sub-optimal performance of the DARE-developed R-118 radar warning receiver (see below)—a fact which forced the Indian Air Force (IAF) to reject it for the MiG-29UPG upgrade programme.

What complete rubbish. The R118 has not been rejected anyplace and it remains in production for the IAF programs, since its a logical follow on to the Tarang series. As matter of fact, R118 served as the basis of the Su-30 MKIs improved RWR called Eagle Eye, which adds additional antenna for full 360 degree coverage, as Su-30 MKI drooped nose and canards mask antennas placed in front.

And if he had any brains - he'd realize the MiG-29 EW suite has an integrated RWR - after all, its part of the RWJ design architecture, which means it does not need a separate RWR. There is no need for a separate RWR.

And then he posts this pic of the RWJ:

FIB3:

And to top it all of, the fellow posts this as "R118 RWR design"
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0w-Oay-x8GY/U ... design.jpg

If he actually knew something about the topic, as versus being a brochure copy paste expert, he would know that the above digital receiver is a system that can be used across RWRs and ESM systems. Its a digital receiver that is part of larger systems like RWRs, not the system itself!! A digital receiver is used by modern RWRs to identify exotic signals and break out multiple overlapping signals. DARE posts this singular achievement as an info board - so that folks who use basic discernment can understand what they have done.

Sengupta, who routinely uses 2+2=24 promptly dubs this a RWR.

And a Digital Receiver also on the D-29 suite that will be used in the MiG-29s.

Which is of course a Radar Warner Jammer, which fields both an integrated RWR plus a Jammer, and hence doesnt need a separate R118 RWR.

Which of course this twit doesn't understand. After all, the brochure did not spell it out. Leaving our expert to apply his mental facilities and come up with such claims.

FIB 4

He pontificates:

The IAF’s MiG-29UPGs, in fact, have the IAF’s most advanced internally-mounted integrated EW suite, which includes Elettronica of Italy’s ELT-568 AESA-based jamming system (see below), which will also go on board the yet-to-be-upgraded Su-30MKIs.

So why is this suite most advanced? Because Sengupta, with his characteristic inferiority complex has the "imported is always better" syndrome. See it contains the AESA based jamming, so its better.

Never mind, that if he actually used his brains, he'd understand that this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tmYY3zHBrQ8/U ... -29UPG.jpg

Is none other than the DARE designed RWJ for the LCA, with the same receive hardware, Unified Exciter Receiver Processor (UREP), coupled with higher ERP AESA jammers. That the MiG-29 could have a larger RCS than the LCA and hence needs more ERP doesn't strike his lordship.

Note the humorous title of the above image - "IAF designed EW suite".. why IAF designed suite?

Because, you see he has already decided that the DARE R118 does not work. Why? Because its not going to be on the MK2. Never mind that a RWJ automatically includes a RW function anyhow (that's the entire purpose of fielding a RWJ).

So he has to somehow extend his fib and make it IAF designed as versus DARE designed in response to IAF requirements.

FIB 5:

The IAF is now favouring the installation (for both the Tejas Mk1 and Tejas Mk2) of an EW suite that will include SaabTech’s radar warning receiver and laser warning receiver along with the MILDS-F missile approach warning system (MAWS) sourced from EADS/Cassidian. This package has already been selected for both the EMB-145I AEW & CS programme, as well as for the Super Su-30MKI upgrade programme.

Why this fib?

Because our expert decided R118 does not work, so he has to continue the fib. Up came SAAB because its RWR is used by HAL. So in Sengupta-world, the RWR will now be used everywhere. So our "expert" took a look at the recent newspaper article which mentioned MAWS/LWS and now has to come up with a "scoop" to impress all the kids on his blog that he knows something they don't.

So google up MILDS (because its already chosen for transports), promptly declare MILDS-F is for LCA. And IAF is considering it both for MK1 and MK2 and its even on the AEW&CS and its even been chosen for the Super-30 ... after all, each time the IAF changes any spec on the Super 30, they promptly call up Prasooon and tell him what's going on..

And finally:

SaabTech’s radar warning receiver, laser warning receiver and MAWS have already been selected by the IAF for its Dhruv Mk4 ALH and Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), and by the Indian Army for its Rudra helicopter-gunships.

And here we have the root cause.. the above info was taken by the great Shri Sengupta and served as the basis of his fibs regarding the LCA EW suite and asinine pontifications.

Basically, this guy is totally unreliable. He comes across as an attention seeker coming up with cock and bull stories to impress people on his blog.

In the process he cooks up stories around everything - IAF, IA, IN and anything local.

pragnya · Post by **pragnya** » 22 Oct 2013 20:49

^^^

well disected Karan M. good job.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 22 Oct 2013 20:55

Thanks. Reading his blog makes for grim but humorous reading. He lies in pretty much every post there. In fact he makes so much stuff up, I have a doubt that he shaved his moustache off and worked for Iraq in ODS 2.

Prasun Sengupta earlier

Worst part is the number of kids flocking around this twit asking him all sorts of questions.. and since he CANNOT admit that he (the one and only Prasoon) does not know the answer ... he fibs, and fibs repeatedly.

Also, its clear he suffers from a planet sized inferiority complex and hence is cooking up stories about all sorts of fancy imports and other stuff. As usual whenever anything local exists that comes in the way, its trashed on his blog.

Meanwhile, he is busy informing people about Aliens in the Himalayas and other looney tunes stuff..

An IA guy once noted that this chap was a complete and total joke, based on the rubbish he was writing in Force masquerading as analysis.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Oct 2013 12:18

Bwahahaha after the complete expose here, Sengupta rushed back to his blog and put up a picture of the R118 realizing it made him look like a twit that he had put up the digital receiver only (and claimed it was the R118). And now, in order to somehow save face and appear impressive, he has cooked up some more masala about Super-30 EW fit (again a mix of speculation and bogus claims)...check this out "The SEAD-optimised and DEAD-optimized"...if this guy was not so obsessed with acronyms, he'd have just used one term "counter air defence" but no....SEAD optimised and DEAD optimised sounds so impressive...

Mega farce onlee.. will analyse his latest work of fiction later.

Meanwhile Sengupta is also an expert on aliens and dispenses sage advice like:

To BUDDHA: A far better option than the book is to go to Youtube & watch all five seasons of the HISTORY CHANNEL series called ANCIENT ALIENS.

So Alien technologist cum defence analyst cum combat expert (he claimed that in one blog post as well

). And impressed by this modern day Leonardo da Vinci, Manoj Joshi writes:

Prasun, were you there at the WWF meeting ? If so, I am amazed at your omniscience ! I would have liked to have met you, though.

So here you have the next linkup. Manoj Joshi who routinely writes poorly researched political screeds in mass media, is using this alien-technology expert Sengupta as a source and has mentioned as such in previous articles. A case of the blind guiding the lame, if anything.

Any wonder then, that indian defence reportage represents something from Didi's comedy show or Borat..

pragnya · Post by **pragnya** » 23 Oct 2013 12:47

Karan M wrote:Bwahahaha after the complete expose here, Sengupta rushed back to his blog and put up a picture of the R118 realizing it made him look like a twit that he had put up the digital receiver only (and claimed it was the R118). And now, in order to somehow save face and appear impressive, he has cooked up some more masala about Super-30 EW fit (again a mix of speculation and bogus claims)...check this out "The SEAD-optimised and DEAD-optimized"...if this guy was not so obsessed with acronyms, he'd have just used one term "counter air defence" but no....SEAD optimised and DEAD optimised sounds so impressive...
Mega farce onlee.. will analyse his latest work of fiction later.

Karan, i went yesterday to see the link after you posted. i went again now and you are right. he has posted those you mention. funny guy really.

super job by you!!

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Oct 2013 12:57

Thanks - thing is if he merely stuck to what he had info on or posted infoboards, even that would be useful. Its his desire to be some kind of super duper mega aware kind of person, which makes him come up with so many fibs.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 23 Oct 2013 13:09

Karan M wrote:Bwahahaha after the complete expose here, Sengupta rushed back to his blog and put up a picture of the R118 realizing it made him look like a twit that he had put up the digital receiver only (and claimed it was the R118). <SNIP>

That is his standard tactic.

And that is why I keep copies of his articles as back-up.

I've been exposing his plagiarism on another thread and each time I write something, he goes back and either removes the content or modifies it. I've both the versions saved for sake of posterity

After initial series of such exposures some time back, he became a bit more circumspect in the way he lifted things. But the plagiarist that he is, he cannot let go off the habit.

He somehow seems to have this desire to showcase himself as technology and strategy expert at the same time and lifts technical write-up from various sources and passes it off as his uvacha on the subject.

Last expose that I did was the technical stuff he had lifted from an article by senior executive of Lockheed on Javelin ATGM and another source - he removed the complete post from his blog

He is simply shameless on this count....

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Oct 2013 13:59

He is simply shameless as you say and completely lacks any sorts of ethics.

Case in point are all these lies about the R118 not being on the MiG-29 UPG. Why did he have to lie there? He did not even understand that RWJ is an architecture which has an inbuilt radar warner. That would have involved some basic research and reading up on the topic.

Its just that what he doesn't understand, he does not even attempt to explore alternatives and then point them out as his speculation. His first instinct is to assume the Indian side (could be AF, Navy, Army, local production) is a failure and this will somehow be magically covered by imports.

To me, this smacks of two things, a huge inferiority complex (hence all the attention seeking and desire for imported "cool toys"), and laziness (he wants to posture as an expert, but apart from brochures, he really does not know much).

About plagiarism, these are some of the times I know of (apart from where you caught him)
- Article on T-72 upgrades plagiarized from BR
- Indian AEW&CS writeup plagiarized from SAAB one
- Su-30 MKI writeup plagiarized from a mixture of Gripen NG and F/A-18 E/F writeup
- Prahar writeup plagiarized from Israeli LORA BM (and then removed, when next day it turned out to be AAD derivative)

He constantly lies, makes things up and is clearly a bit eccentric (check out all his theories on Aliens, Atlantis, and similar conspiracy stuff). Yet, postures as an expert on Indian defence and people listen to him. Amazing.

Another thing is for sure, he has no first hand sources of info to correct him either. We know his own analysis skills are worthless..

I cannot but pity all those who buy into his made up stuff.. its like they are desparate to hear something about Indian defence, and will willingly buy any story as long as its cool.

It speaks volumes for credibility of Indian media, that this fellow was a longtime contributor to an Indian newsmag.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Oct 2013 14:05

^^^

This could simply be a result of a lack of fact checking at the editors level. Along with a culture of not getting sued for false reporting. Cause in a serious society, such guys would have their carriers finished.

Such a forgiving culture will breed idiots like the ones being discussed on this thread.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 23 Oct 2013 14:16

^^True, but chorgupta is a different breed from the others. Here's an old post by Rahul M about his shameless plagiarism from BRF..

viewtopic.php?p=746603#p746603

prasun sengupta plagarised Arun ji's photos (of naval ALH if you want to be particular).
the article he stole was by Rupak. when asked to apologise he and force threatened counter legal action against BR for 'using' their articles on BR forum without permission.

(two situations not remotely comparable. chorgupta used the article and photo and passed it off as his own while force articles on BRF were discussed as they always are, with links and full attribution)

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Oct 2013 15:14

Thats not the only article he stole. His cooked up stories are another issue altogether.

Case1:
For instance, DRDO collaborated with PIT of Poland to make a radar, India launched it as 3D CAR and Poland made its own variant called the TRS-19.

PIT itself, noted that this was a JV:
POLISH RADAR DEVELOPMENT, 2002
Wiestaw Klembowski, Waldemar Wizner, Jerzy Milos2

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.js ... %3D1017879

A family of mobile S-band radars has been developed with close cooperation of LRDE (India).

In fact, DRDO Technical Focus also shows the amount of work done by LRDE for 3D CAR.

Subsequently, LRDE made further derivatives of 3D CAR called Rohini (IAF), Revathi (IN), TCR (Army), wherein even many of the original JV Hardware assemblies were replaced with new Indian designed ones based on improved tech. Again, this is documented in literature.

Meanwhile, Chorgupta ran a campaign that India "bought out the technology from Poland" and used it in India. This laughable conclusion was based on what? He googled up TRS-19, saw it looks the same as 3D CAR...ah haaa!! This is "bought out technology"..

Case 2:
Similarly, when the Prahaar launch was announced, Sengupta copy pasted images of LORA (Israel), its features and said India had "bought out LORA" and would be using it as Prahaar.

Next day, Prahaar test showed it to be an AAD derivative, as had been widely noted based on earlier reports.

Promptly, that writeup disappeared from Chorgupta's blog.

Case 3:
India launched Nirbhay program and it came out in the media, as India's first CM program. For who knows what reason, Sengupta went bonkers and decided Nirbhay would not be a CM but some sort of UAV. His flip flops on this became increasingly crazy. Finally, he settled on Nirbhay being a "cruise vehicle", whatever that was supposed to mean. Ultimately, per him, Nirbhay would be a PTA sort of aircraft to be used (I kid you not) for Akash/LRSAM tests, because Lakshya was not good enough.

Dude googled up the reports of India importing low flying PTAs for Akash tests and this was the result. Never struck him that Lakshya itself could be upgraded for such requirements.

After Nirbhay test, off went all those reports but enough exist in the net to see his comedy.

Case 5:
LCA - time and again, Sengupta has been caught with his chaddis down and privates exposed cooking stuff up about the LCA.

Most famous one was claiming that the LCA MMR was now an AESA - El/M-2052 and it would be revealed in due course.

Turned out dastardly cheapskate Indoos merely went to Israel and had existing MMR optimized with some Israeli software/processing.

Yet he continues - in recent days - he has added fancy IRST, all sorts of imported gizmos including a glass cockpit and who knows what from every manufacturer out there. The joker is obsessed with fancy brochures and pretty pictures. Whatever he sees, he wants it on some Indian program. The complexity involved in integrating such items from all sorts of disparate sources never goes through his head. Further, that Indian programs exist for these items are an annoyance.

So he promptly declares they failed, hence imports, hence everything is ok. Its comic genius.

At any rate, he has been caught lying again and again and again.. why on googling his previous articles, even Fofanov of Russian Armor (one of the best OSINT sources on Russian armor) is busy setting him to rights on some topic, and Sengupta is trying to browbeat him as well.

The guy is a joke, but a very unethical one to boot. He apparently tried the same tricks with Shukla on his blog as well, but since he was not given due deference (and lets face it, his fibs get caught out), he became abusive and now considers himself better than all the other journos and even this forum.

Most amusing is that he is so eager for attention, that he clearly trawls this forum and other blogs, and then when they write something, out he comes with an "explanation" which relies mostly on brochure pictures, cooked up claims and then proceeds on some tangent in the discussion where he is singlehandedly an expert on IA ORBAT, Army tactics to aerospace manufacturing..

Yet, some naive souls lap it up..

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Oct 2013 15:27

Here is another example of Sen..err Chorgupta's plagiarism. Googling up plagiarism and Sengupta throws up many results.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthre ... ost1082863

This is from an article on Su-30 MKI that appeared in F[a]rce. The entire article is above - many holes to pick, but lets take this one..

However, the Su-30MKI's single biggest tactical advantage, particularly in the BVR fight, is the on-board tactical information data link system (TIDLS) that can connect up to four aircraft in a full two-way link. With a range of 500km and being highly resistant to jamming, the TIDLS' can display the position, bearing and speed of all four friendly Su-30MKIs in a formation on a tactical information system, including basic status information such as fuel availability and weapons state. When used in the ‘silent attack' mode, an adversary may be aware that he is being tracked by N-011M radar that is outside BVR-AAM range. He may not be aware that another, closer Su-30MKI is receiving that tracking data and is preparing for a BVR-AAM launch without using its own radar.

The N-011M can also operate in an all-passive mode, as a sensitive receiver with high directional accuracy (due to its large antenna). In addition, two N-011Ms can exchange information by the TIDLS and locate hostile targets by triangulation. Usually, three plots (echoes) are needed to track a target in track-while-scan mode. The TIDLS also allows the N-011Ms to share plots — not just tracks — even if none of the Su-30MKIs in a formation gets enough plots on its own to track the target, they may do so collectively. Each radar plot includes pulse-Doppler velocity, which provides the individual aircraft with range-rate data. Using TIDLS, two Su-30MKIs can take simultaneous range-rate readings and thereby determine the target's track instantly, thereby minimising the need for radar transmission. In electronic warfare (EW) applications, one Su-30MKI can track and engage a target while the wingman simultaneously focuses jamming on the same target, using the N-011M.

This makes it very difficult for the target to intercept or jam the N-011M that is tracking him. Another anti-jamming technique already validated by the IAF is for all four N-011M radars to illuminate the same target simultaneously at different frequencies.

Come 2009, the Su-30MKI, by then being equipped with the ‘Irbis' active phased-array radar will be transformed into a dedicated information warfare platform with a redesigned rear cockpit housing a communications-cum-EW specialist. The IAF's overarching mission is to achieve information dominance and ensure that friendly assets have the best information possible while destroying or jamming the enemy's information resources.

Very very impressive right?

Only all that TIDLS stuff is directly plagiarized from an article on the Gripen. See here for references to the original article (http://saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1648)

Second, that rear cockpit having an IW specialist etc was for the F/A-18 E/F in particular the G, Growler variant. Plagiarized from an AWST article.

Third, Irbis is a PESA...not an AESA. Sengupta was the only twit who went around the entire net claiming Irbis was an AESA.. why? Because he wanted it to be an AESA. AESA cool factor> PESA